Redeemed ! Former Ontario Conservative Premier Mike Harris' Common Sense Revolution Looks Good Now
Crap Detector
government, the provincial debt and citizens' tax
payments. But at the time Harris was not appreciated by the province'
liberal media, the UAW, teachers' and other unions along with Liberal
and NDP opposition politicians. Harris was forced out of office. He
retired after realizing he
was fighting a losing battle against a very liberal, even socialist
populace.
Harris was unfairly blamed for the Ipperwash incident and the
Walkerton e-coli outbreak which was caused by
incompetent and lazy local public servants and politicians not by his
cutbacks.
Well, Ontario got what it wanted, a return to socialism and tax and
spend government.. Now the province under Liberal
premier McGuinty has racked up the biggest provincial deficit and debt
in its history. NDP Socialist Toronto mayor David Miller is leaving
office with Toronto up to its eyeballs in debt. The city's socialist
government is now even thinking about implementing its own income tax.
As they say, people get the government they deserve. This is certainly
apposite for Toronto and Ontario.
Crap Detector
> Mike Harris' common sense revolution reduced the size of Ontario's
> government, the provincial debt and citizens' tax
> payments. But at the time Harris was not appreciated by the province'
> liberal media, the UAW, teachers' and other unions along with Liberal
> and NDP opposition politicians. Harris was forced out of office. He
> retired after realizing he
> was fighting a losing battle against a very liberal, even socialist
> populace.
>
> Harris was unfairly blamed for the Ipperwash incident and the
> Walkerton e-coli outbreak which was caused by
> incompetent and lazy local public servants and politicians not by his
> cutbacks.
>
> Well, Ontario got what it wanted, a return to socialism and tax and
> spend government.. Now the province under Liberal
> premier McGuinty has racked up the biggest provincial deficit and debt
> in its history. NDP Socialist Toronto mayor David Miller is leaving
> office with Toronto up to its eyeballs in debt.
http://groups.google.com/group/can.politics/browse_thread/thread/ffd2e35d34c19b0c#
The city's socialist government is now even thinking about
implementing its own income tax.
Correction. That should be SALES tax. And that would be worse for
Torontians as all citizens would be subject to it.
frederick
> Well, Ontario got what it wanted, a return to socialism and tax and
> spend government.. Now the province under Liberal
> premier McGuinty has racked up the biggest provincial deficit and debt
> in its history. NDP Socialist Toronto mayor David Miller is leaving
> office with Toronto up to its eyeballs in debt. The city's socialist
> government is now even thinking about implementing its own income tax.
> =======================
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Instead of ranting , take a few minutes to understand the monetary
system------- Tax and spend is another method of creating wealth--- when
money is spent it creates economic activity and consumers can then afford
to pay extra taxes to revolve the debt. The speed at which money
circulates also increases it's value.. Another truism is that debt
creation on one hand is a credit creation on the other.-----
Crap Detector
> > Well, Ontario got what it wanted, a return to socialism and tax and
> > spend government.. Now the province under Liberal
> > premier McGuinty has racked up the biggest provincial deficit and debt
> > in its history. NDP Socialist Toronto mayor David Miller is leaving
> > office with Toronto up to its eyeballs in debt. The city's socialist
> > government is now even thinking about implementing its own income tax.
> > =======================
>
> ====
> Instead of ranting , take a few minutes to understand the monetary
> system------- Tax and spend is another method of creating wealth--- when
> money is spent it creates economic activity and consumers can then afford
> to pay extra taxes to revolve the debt.
You are insane.
The speed at which money
> circulates also increases it's (sic) value.. Another truism is that debt
> creation on one hand is a credit creation on the other.-----
You don't even have a knowledge of basic grammar. What an idiot.
whitebread
"frederick" <harv...@sasktel.net> wrote in message
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>
>
>> Well, Ontario got what it wanted, a return to socialism and tax and
>> spend government.. Now the province under Liberal
>> premier McGuinty has racked up the biggest provincial deficit and debt
>> in its history.
Sorry - largest deficit is still the bragging rights of Mike Harris. Do your homework.
Canuck57
> Mike Harris' common sense revolution reduced the size of Ontario's
> government, the provincial debt and citizens' tax
> payments. But at the time Harris was not appreciated by the province'
> liberal media, the UAW, teachers' and other unions along with Liberal
> and NDP opposition politicians. Harris was forced out of office. He
> retired after realizing he
> was fighting a losing battle against a very liberal, even socialist
> populace.
I came to that realization in 1980 when I left Ontario. Glad I did.
> Harris was unfairly blamed for the Ipperwash incident and the
> Walkerton e-coli outbreak which was caused by
> incompetent and lazy local public servants and politicians not by his
> cutbacks.
Irrational Liberals and NDP. The best way to teach them is to let them
go bankrupt.
> Well, Ontario got what it wanted, a return to socialism and tax and
> spend government.. Now the province under Liberal
> premier McGuinty has racked up the biggest provincial deficit and debt
> in its history. NDP Socialist Toronto mayor David Miller is leaving
> office with Toronto up to its eyeballs in debt. The city's socialist
> government is now even thinking about implementing its own income tax.
>
> As they say, people get the government they deserve. This is certainly
> apposite for Toronto and Ontario.
One of these days they will declare Ontario bankrupt. When they do
there will be a massive government shutdown. Nope, the sky will not
fall. But there will be a lot of Liberal/NDPs learning a life leason
the hard way.
Canuck57
> On Nov 5, 9:24 am, Crap Detector <cicer...@rogers.com> wrote:
>> Mike Harris' common sense revolution reduced the size of Ontario's
>> government, the provincial debt and citizens' tax
>> payments. But at the time Harris was not appreciated by the province'
>> liberal media, the UAW, teachers' and other unions along with Liberal
>> and NDP opposition politicians. Harris was forced out of office. He
>> retired after realizing he
>> was fighting a losing battle against a very liberal, even socialist
>> populace.
>>
>> Harris was unfairly blamed for the Ipperwash incident and the
>> Walkerton e-coli outbreak which was caused by
>> incompetent and lazy local public servants and politicians not by his
>> cutbacks.
>>
>> Well, Ontario got what it wanted, a return to socialism and tax and
>> spend government.. Now the province under Liberal
>> premier McGuinty has racked up the biggest provincial deficit and debt
>> in its history. NDP Socialist Toronto mayor David Miller is leaving
>> office with Toronto up to its eyeballs in debt.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/can.politics/browse_thread/thread/ffd2e35d34c19b0c#
>
>
> The city's socialist government is now even thinking about
> implementing its own income tax.
If people were smart, they would move before home prices plumet.
> Correction. That should be SALES tax. And that would be worse for
> Torontians as all citizens would be subject to it.
No difference is right, who in their right mind would move into a city
with either a city sales tax or a income tax? Makes no sense.
All this for Liberalism and NDP greed.
>> As they say, people get the government they deserve. This is certainly
>> apposite for Toronto and Ontario.
Tick-toc... Given time socialism is guaranteed to wreck generations of
wealth and properity for greedy selfish bastards that can't live inside
their means. Slimey low life politicians and mindless voters.
Canuck57
That is why Liberals/NDP know shit about economics and wealth. You
don't understand anythign about it. A shit fly knows more than you to
make a statement like you did.
Tax is wealth consumption. Pure and simple. Taxes cannot create wealth
in a society, it mearly redistributes it from workers to drones and
slugs. If you don't understand this immutable fact, then you are likely
a dumbshit liberal or a selfish bastard.
Crap Detector
> "frederick" <harve...@sasktel.net> wrote in message
That's bullshit. If you believe that, where is your proof?
Crap Detector
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:17:38 -0800, "whitebread" <whitebr...@shop.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >"frederick" <harve...@sasktel.net> wrote in message
> (projected) deficit is larger than anything the conservatives ran up.
***
Good to find someone on can.politics who does not let liberal bias
distort his thinking. The group think of liberals and leftists makes
them very susceptible to fascism.
frederick
"Crap Detector" <cice...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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You are insane.
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Thats O.K , I know that it takes a while for some to begin thinking.
Look ! If one buys something for $10 and the payee puts that money
in his piggy bank It will only have did $10 worth of economic activity
that day. However , If that $10 is passed on by the payee as he makes a
further purchase, and that payee again passes the money on by making
another purchase , then that $10 will have made $30 worth of Economic
activity in one day or contributed $30 to the G.N.P. So you see that as
the money travels farther and faster it increases its intrisnic value.
frederick
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Better turn that crap detecting device around . Fascism is related to
the over extention of money and power as it becomes held in fewer hands.
Just the opposit of Liberal and social theory which requires that
power and money be distrbuted in an rather equitable manner by a
democratic majority.
Crap Detector
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:31:59 -0800 (PST), Crap Detector
> just as dangerous.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
George Orwell pointed out over half a century ago that the word
"fascism" had been so overused that it had lost all meaning. Even in
Orwell's time the word fascist was used by one person, usually a
liberal to attack someone he did not like. Today it is gradually being
replaced by "racist" in that regard
Crap Detector
> "Crap Detector" <cicer...@rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Bullshit. You have no understanding of what you are talking about,
asshole.
Sunny Malone
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:17:38 -0800, "whitebread" <whitebr...@shop.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> (projected) deficit is larger than anything the conservatives ran up.
McGuinty's projected deficit is the largest in Ontario's history for
the same reason that Stephen Harper's deficit is the largest in the
federal government's history. Unless you believe that Flaherty (a
former Harris minister FWIW) and Harper are also "tax and spend"
socialists, you know the real reasons lie elsewhere (reason 1: the
global economy and reason #2: inflation which makes the Mulroney and
Bob Rae deficits of almost twenty years ago seem small in comparison).
C'mon Barry, the reasons may be beyond the ability of a drunken
ideologue like "Crap Detector" to understand but I suspect you know
the real reasons. Unless of course you're willing to lump in Harper
and Flaherty with Miller and McGuinty.
Sunny Malone
True, I will agree that "fascist" is used by the left to smear
opponents much like "socialist" is used by the right to the their
opponents. You for example, constantly denounce even billionaires like
George Soros and Danny Williams as "socialists" and "Marxists" (and
for Soros you usually add "socialist Jew") which makes me suspect you
have never known an actual socialist or a Marxist - much as those
leftists who constantly denounced Mike Harris as a "Nazi" or
"socialist" never had the pleasure of meeting actual Nazis or
fascists.
Robert Sveinson
"whitebread" <white...@shop.ca> wrote in message
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> "frederick" <harv...@sasktel.net> wrote in message
> news:YIudnZ1yC4-9s27X...@posted.sasktel...
>>
>>
>>> Well, Ontario got what it wanted, a return to socialism and tax and
>>> spend government..
The term **tax and spend**is a puzzler......
Does any one out there know what Harrises policy was on
taxing Ontarions and spending the fruits
of his taxing??
Or is there a benevolent soul out there giving bags ( like a
Mulrooney)
of money to the Harris clowns so that they can't be accused of
tax and spend sins?
Dudley Hanks
"Canuck57" <Canu...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Tick, tock, given time, unchecked capitalism will endow a select few with
wealth and privilege while leaving the rest to wallow in festering
poverty...
Perhaps that's why Canadians, mainly, believe in a mixed economy and a
healthy social safety net...
Take Care,
Dudley
Dudley Hanks
your ideological blinders are working well...
Taxes pay for infrastructure, research and development, environmental
protection, law enforcement and military services, not just social and
cultural programs...
Take Care,
Dudley
Dudley Hanks
"Garry" <garrybe...@excite.com> wrote in message
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> Dudley Hanks wrote>> > [quoted text muted]
>> > Tax is wealth consumption. Pure and simple. Taxes cannot create
>> > wealth
>> > in a society, it mearly redistributes it from workers to drones and
>> > slugs.
>> > If you don't understand this immutable fact, then you are likely a
>> > dumbshit liberal or a selfish bastard.
>>
>> your ideological blinders are working well...
>>
>> Taxes pay for infrastructure, research and development, environmental
>> protection, law enforcement and military services, not just social and
>> cultural programs...
>>
>
> rural
> infrastructure are because of him, not the fact that the ones he refers to
> as
> "statists", urban dwellers, are the cause of his "uninhibited, rugged
> independence"
>
> The 416, (Toronto), 514 (Montreal) 604 (Vancouver) and the areas where 90%
> of
> people live in Canada these days, are why he can live in his area, outside
> of
> the city. And so he can consider himself a "rugged individualist".
>
>
>
>
Ah, to live in bliss and ignorance...
Take Care,
Dudley
Dudley Hanks
> Garry wrote
>>
>> Dudley Hanks wrote>> > > [quoted text muted]
>> > > Tax is wealth consumption. Pure and simple. Taxes cannot create
>> > > wealth
>> > > in a society, it mearly redistributes it from workers to drones and
>> > > slugs.
>> > > If you don't understand this immutable fact, then you are likely a
>> > > dumbshit liberal or a selfish bastard.
>> >
>> > your ideological blinders are working well...
>> >
>> > Taxes pay for infrastructure, research and development, environmental
>> > protection, law enforcement and military services, not just social and
>> > cultural programs...
>> >
>>
>> rural
>> infrastructure are because of him, not the fact that the ones he refers
>> to as
>> "statists", urban dwellers, are the cause of his "uninhibited, rugged
>> independence"
>>
>> The 416, (Toronto), 514 (Montreal) 604 (Vancouver) and the areas where
>> 90% of
>> people live in Canada these days, are why he can live in his area,
>> outside of
>> the city. And so he can consider himself a "rugged individualist".
>
S'all right. I'm from Alberta. I'm VERY familiar with this attitude; I
knew what you meant...
Take Care,
Dudley
Dudley Hanks
> Dudley Hanks wrote
>>
>> S'all right. I'm from Alberta. I'm VERY familiar with this attitude; I
>> knew what you meant...
>>
>> Take Care,
>> Dudley
>>
>
>
> It's like when we're facing Rememberance Day, a holiday for you I think.
>
> Reading here two years ago, all we heard about was how the Quebeckers
> didn't
> want to go into war. Now? As many Quebeckers are dead as anyone.
> Once the
> Black Watch was assigned, things changed.
>
> We no longer hear complaints about their ways.
>
>
> Allez! I'm from a miliary family and though I didn't serve personally,
> there
> is content in the soul and reasons why.
>
>
My uncle served in WWII, and my son is in a law enforcement program, as well
as wanting to join the reserves.
I had visions of a military career, myself, but wasn't accepted due to an
eye condition.
While I don't support, whole-heartedly, current military campaigns, it's
unfortunate our appreciation of past (and present) sacrifices has to be
marred by political activism...
Take Care,
Dudley
Canuck57
> Dudley Hanks wrote
>>>
>>> Tick-toc... Given time socialism is guaranteed to wreck generations of
>>> wealth and properity for greedy selfish bastards that can't live inside
>>> their means. Slimey low life politicians and mindless voters.
>> Tick, tock, given time, unchecked capitalism will endow a select few with
>> wealth and privilege while leaving the rest to wallow in festering
>> poverty...
>>
>> Perhaps that's why Canadians, mainly, believe in a mixed economy and a
>> healthy social safety net...
>>
>>
>
> ancestor. And Harper's cabinet still to this day has Mad John Baird, and
> several Ontarians from the Harris days in charge.
>
> All while Toronto's Steve Harper said "The West Wants In!" "The West Is In!"
>
>
> Then he blew tons of money on Quebec.
>
> Hell, even Stock The Jock Day is from Barrie Ontario.
>
> The west was lied to.
Which is why I don't vote for Harpo. I am in Calgary SW too. Harpo is
a liar like Chretien. But will admit he isn't as bad as the
alternatives like Iggy/Laytoon. But I will not be lied to then vote for
a POS. Plenty of other candidates. And no, I don't vote for Liberal
scum nor the NDP mindless.
Canuck57
You should do your reasearch. More than 1/2 the Ottawa budget goes to
secular items, not related to any of the items you listed above.
I am all for taxes that actually go to the items you mention, it is fat,
port and corruption that I am against.
I will not bother you with the little crap, even though it is wealth
death by 1000 cuts, $13 billion for GM, $6 billion for Chrylser, $75
billion for Canadian banks and you stupid assed liberal-statism wankers
wonder why government is making us broke. And sorry, I fail to see how
bailing out GM, a foreign controlled company that just funneled the
moneys to wall street black holes benefits someone in Canada other than
a few precious GM wankers.
At least with Confederation bridge, while it has a crappy investment,
you have something left for it. Can't say that with 50% of the Ottawa
waste.
Canuck57
> Dudley Hanks wrote
>>> Tax is wealth consumption. Pure and simple. Taxes cannot create wealth
>>> in a society, it mearly redistributes it from workers to drones and slugs.
>>> If you don't understand this immutable fact, then you are likely a
>>> dumbshit liberal or a selfish bastard.
>> your ideological blinders are working well...
>>
>> Taxes pay for infrastructure, research and development, environmental
>> protection, law enforcement and military services, not just social and
>> cultural programs...
>>
>
> infrastructure are because of him, not the fact that the ones he refers to as
> "statists", urban dwellers, are the cause of his "uninhibited, rugged
> independence"
>
> The 416, (Toronto), 514 (Montreal) 604 (Vancouver) and the areas where 90% of
> people live in Canada these days, are why he can live in his area, outside of
> the city. And so he can consider himself a "rugged individualist".
And it is why seperation is a good thing. I don't care if Toronto wants
socialism, let them have it. But send them the bills too. There is no
reason why the rest of the country should pay slave-taxes for a bunch of
idealistic spend crazy liberal-statists.
You are right, those centers treat the rest of Canada like tax sheep
slaves. At some point the slaves will revolt. I will be there in support.
Canuck57
> Dudley Hanks wrote
>>
>>
>
> Mulrooney PC party.
>
> I am no more a conservative than Iggy is a Canadian.
>
> And I can't vote Green because that bitch is from the USA!
>
> Don't get me started about Jack.
But do hope you vote. Imagine how Canadian politcs would change if
every lethargic disgruntaled voter showed up and voted for someone other
than NDP, Lib or Cons? We might even get politics that don't lie as
much and actually vote for the constituants best interests beyond voting
day.
frederick
"Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote in message
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When discussuing the workings of the monetary system one must take an arm
length approach. The system does not operate for the pleasure of any one
person but for the well being of the country Most of the posters to this
news group seem to only consider what is good for their own situation and
what will fill their own wallets.
For instance-- everyone thinks tat tax and spend will not create wealth for
the country when in reality it is the main wealth crearting tactic. It
circulates capital, creating economic activity. If it were'nt for taxes
money would stagnate in bank accounts and never become available to the
money lenders.
Joe
> Mike Harris' common sense revolution reduced the size of Ontario's
> government, the provincial debt
You'd better have a look at this.
"Debt went up 38 per cent under Tories
Deficit in last year of office was $5.5-billion
By RICHARD MACKIE
Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - Page A13 [GLOBE AND MAIL]
GUELPH, ONT. -- Ontario's Liberal government tried yesterday to put a
final
nail into the coffin of the previous Progressive Conservative
government's
reputation as prudent financial managers by revealing that the
provincial
debt jumped 38 per cent over the past eight years.
And in case anyone missed the point contained in the four volumes of
the
consolidated financial statements of the Public Accounts of Ontario
released
yesterday, Finance Minister Greg Sorbara said, "They were guilty of
significant financial mismanagement."
With the Tories riding a modest wave of popularity and buoyed by the
selection of a new leader in high-profile former businessman John
Tory, the
rough battle lines are starting to be drawn for the election three
years
from now.
The annual financial reports normally pass unnoticed. But Liberal
strategists yesterday made their unveiling an event designed to
entrench
firmly the idea that the administrations of Mike Harris and Ernie Eves
damaged the province's finances, no matter how much the Conservatives
protested at the time that they were good stewards of the treasury.
The province's net debt at the end of the most recent fiscal year was
$124-billion. When they took office in 1995, the Conservatives
inherited a
provincial debt of $90-billion. The deficit in the Conservatives' last
year
in office was $5.5-billion, although the party went through the
election
campaign last year insisting that the books were balanced... "
Commentator
> On Nov 5, 9:24 am, Crap Detector <cicer...@rogers.com> wrote:
>> Mike Harris' common sense revolution reduced the size of Ontario's
>> government, the provincial debt
>
>
> You'd better have a look at this.
>
Mike Harris inherited a large deficit from the NDP. Of course the debt grew
as a result, until he had it under control. The deficit that was left for
McSquinty was not left by Harris, but by those who came after.
Dudley Hanks
What's wrong with the Liberals?
I'd sooner see what academic Iggy has to offer than more of idealog Harper's
Bushy agenda...
Take Care,
Dudley
Dudley Hanks
"Joe" <dropdea...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Yep, they talk a good talk, but tend to stumble a bit when they start to
walk...
Take Care,
Dudley
Dudley Hanks
> by 1000 cuts, $13 billion for GM, $6 billion for Chrylser, $75 billion for
> Canadian banks and you stupid assed liberal-statism wankers
> wonder why government is making us broke. And sorry, I fail to see how
> bailing out GM, a foreign controlled company that just funneled the moneys
> to wall street black holes benefits someone in Canada other than a few
> precious GM wankers.
Isn't it interesting that the Liberals get the blame for a bailout package
designed by Harper's Conservatives?
Take Care,
Dudley
Dudley Hanks
You seem to have things backwards...
Perhaps, you might post a 100 word treatise on how the taxes from 1/4 the
population of Canada pay for the healthcare needs, cultural expenses, and
misc largess of the other 75 percent?
I'd be interested in reading it...
Take Care,
Dudley
Dudley Hanks
Yep, that's what Lougheed said when the PC's first came to power... when the
Reformers got started (remember the pension plan opt out?) ... and when the
Alliance / PC parties were "talking" about working together ...
How much long term integrity has been exemplified by any of those
"alternatives"?
"Power corrupts. And, absolute power corrupts absolutely."
The best protections are checks and balances...
Take Care,
Dudley
Dudley Hanks
"frederick" <harv...@sasktel.net> wrote in message
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I guess, if a private person pays a paving company to pave a driveway, it
helps the private company increase the wealth of the company, its owners and
its workers.
But, if that same company is hired by the government to pave a highway, then
it's just contributing to societal leaching...
Take Care,
Dudley
Joe
> Playing with numbers, are you? Sure the debt increased, after all,
> the conservatives were left with a deficit of over 12 billion dollars.
> Get out your calculated and take another run at the numbers and
> strangely enough, you'll find that a huge deficit increases the debt.
> Ignorance seems to be the motivation for a lot of postings in the
> group.
No, correcting someone who was playing with the truth. What was
written about the debt, "Mike Harris' common sense revolution reduced
the size of Ontario's government, the provincial debt..." was untrue.
Canuck57
I am probably older than you. Liberals have been a letdown ever since I
first voted. Liars, taxers, statists, ad-scam crooks. Debt be thy name
Liberals. Anti-American Chretien yet propels "US is my nation" Iggy.
Flip flop, promise a lot and screw it up types. Before Iggy, Dion a
leader? OMG what were they thinking about when they choose leaders?
Turdeau is still Canada's biggest debtor government and I am still
paying for it even though I wasn't old enough to vote when he did it!
Fuck Liberals. Pieces of shit. Ever province they run is in massive
debt. Taxing the shit out of their people for no value. Liberals have
excuses, lots of BS excuses. But the fact remains they haven't been
that good for Canadians in the last 30 years.
Take big mouth Chretien. BC gets a good lumber business going and
Ontario slows down. So he ticks off the Americans alowing
congress/senate to interject and created the softwood lumber crisis.
Then there is NEP. NEP was such a screw job on the west, those that
remeber that would rather burn a liberal alive than to be subjegated to
that again. While I did well, it was my conservatism in cash that
allowed me to survive.
Top it off with the most selfish controlling people I know are Liberals
or NDP. They like hand outs over hand ups because of the power of
control and favors it generates. I prefer hand ups over hand outs.
> I'd sooner see what academic Iggy has to offer than more of idealog Harper's
> Bushy agenda...
I am smart enough to know both are are a problem. Just that Harpo, even
though he is a liar scum bag is a better choice than Iggy. Is that
Harvard Iggy in Obama's pocket or Crazy Ivan Iggy egocentric academic
buffoon?
Give me a better choice and get better quality people in the Liberal
party, results not promises will sway my vote.
Canuck57
The only reason Ontario debt isn't growing a much as it used to is no
one is lending the government money. They have bond issues date Sept
2008 that are not filling.
Sort of like going to the bank for a loan and being turned down.
Happened earlier in SK and MB too where credit dried up. Liberals hate
the program "T'il Debt Do Us Part". Humourous for some, serious stuff all.
http://www.slice.ca/Shows/ShowsPage.aspx?title_id=93097
Has province of Ontario crossed the $200B in net debt yet? I don't know
Toronto debt numbers but bet they are a whopper.
Canuck57
If it were not for Liberal/NDP bribe du Bloc for votes in coupe d'etat,
I suspect Harpo would have kept that bailout a lot smaller. But he did
disappoint me in bailouts. Too much for nothing.
Banks even declared bonuses and profits after Ottawa debt-spent $75
billion in bank bailouts. Then GM sucking $13 billion down south and
who knows where Chryslers $6 billion or so went. But you can be sure
then never paid their $500 million overdue tax bill circa 2003.
Too much corruption and not enough fairness. If these jack asses screw
up, people accross the country shouldn't have to pay for it.
And if Liberals were in power, it would have been a lot worse. Even
Iggy admited raising taxes was in the cards. Dumbshit can't get it
through his thick skull, Canadians are sick and tired of tax grabs, tax
increases and many are deciding not to be quiet sheeples any more.
Government/Debt Recession 2008-20xx isn't over, it has just began. And
anyone thinks the economy is recovering without jobs has a serious
rational disorder. Government over taxed the economy, people defaulted
on debt, government is now defaulting on debt with inflation looming.
See, how government defines recession does not equate to value but to
dollars. If GDP even grows $1, we are not in a depression/recession.
But if inflation was say 10% and GDP went up 1% you are in fact on a
value basis in a 9% recession.
That is why US GDP grew when jobs shrank. Inflation from all the
liberal money creation is coming at us like a 5000 foot bowling ball.
Canuck57
Tax and spend consumes wealth by redistributing it.
Worse, it isn't tax and spend, it is current tax + massive debt and
spend and bailout. The debt part has huge negative impacts to future
wealth and the bailouts benefit so very few it shouldn't even be
considered moral. It is corruption.
You show your ignorance of economics quite well.
Canuck57
Probably wouldn't be far off at 1/4. Subtract low an moderate income
pensioners, children, in jail, infirm, students, EI, welfare,
government... probably between 1/4 and at most 1/3 work and contribute
in a meaningful way, the rest consume.
Dudley Hanks
Actually, I was a Westerner voting for Trudeau during the NEP. I was one of
the few out here who realized that the NEP was better for the country than
for the province, but the country needs some sacrifices, sometimes...
Of course, your ideological blinkers keep you from realizing that...
Last spring, I was particularly disappointed as my son was graduating.
Here I was, sitting in the Jubilee Auditorium, listening to a bunch of
bright-eyed, bushy-tailed graduans as they talked about how they had gotten
through high school and were heading on to higher education to further their
dreams. All the while, the Conservative attack ads were playing in the back
of my mind...
I thought, how short-sighted of Harper's RightOffs. On the one hand, their
parents and teachers are telling the kids, "Do your best! Get out there and
make a difference! Make the World a better place!" And, when they went
home, they saw ads saying, "If you leave Canada and work for a better
continent, better world, you aren't Canadian! You're just visiting!"
Isn't that the most treasonous message our government could give?
Take Care,
Dudley
Canuck57
> replied to below. Increase the deficit, which Bob Rae did in spades
> and the debt has to increase.
>
>
>
> "GUELPH, ONT. -- Ontario's Liberal government tried yesterday to put a
> final nail into the coffin of the previous Progressive Conservative
> government's reputation as prudent financial managers by revealing
> that the provincial debt jumped 38 per cent over the past eight
> years."
Yep, and the last 6 years of them Liberal. LMAO. Or what did I miss
with above?
McGuinty, a Liberal Debtor.
It will not be long before Ontario will have to issue get out of
excessive tax cards to people to get them to stay or move to Ontario.
Dudley Hanks
Mulroney talked the talk, then racked up the biggest debt (for the time),
but, of course there were excuses...
Harris talked the talk, but had his excuses...
Harper talks the talk, but is racking up record debts, but has his
excuses...
Cretien tamed the budget after Mulroney, he didn't look for excuses...
I'm guessing Iggy will have to take care of Harper's mess...
Take Care,
Dudley
Dudley Hanks
Excuses, excuses, excuses, ...
Take Care,
Dudley
Dudley Hanks
You're big on blaming consumers, but where would we be without 'em?
Produce all you want, but if you don't have a "mass market" to sell to,
you're going broke...
Take Care,
Dudley
Canuck57
Hog wash. But putting Chretien on a pedistal, he was a dumb corrupt
jack ass. Too much bad congac. Propensity to claim to be french to hid
his lack of intelligence. Master of corruption for sure.
Mulruiny left Chretien with a GST the liar forgot to remove as promised.
Was too much corruption cash for the Chretien to keep his word.
They bother were screw balls because the right answer was to downsize
government to fit, not bring in the GST so Liberals could claim a
balanced budget. Mulruiny was a real ass for what he did to Campbell.
Just turds floating in Ottawa. Names change but the bad smell is the same.
Dudley Hanks
Granted, the GST flipflop was Chretien's worst decision. But, hindsight is
so much better...
Of course, "corruption" is just a word to describe what others have done
when we don't agree...
But, when it's all said and done, I'll take Chretien, Trudeau, and Pearson
over Harper, Mulroney, possibly even Diefenbacher. (Of course, Turner,
Clark and Campbell didn't really get a fair shake, so I give them a pass...
The thing about Liberal Prime Ministers is they don't just take care of the
wealthy, they leave the country AS A WHOLE in better shape than it was when
they took office...
Making such a claim for the Conservative PM's is a bit tougher...
Take Care,
Dudley
Joe
> replied to below. Increase the deficit, which Bob Rae did in spades
> and the debt has to increase.
I, of course, never said otherwise. The Harris Eves era ended with a
deficit of over $5 billion. They increase the debt and left a
deficit.
Canuck57
Good you kept your mouth shut about that back then. You could have seen
a wold of hurt if you expressed those sediments in a bar along McCleod
trail.
> Of course, your ideological blinkers keep you from realizing that...
No blindness.
> Last spring, I was particularly disappointed as my son was graduating.
Why? Did he graduate to spite you? If he is smarter than you, nothing
to be ashamed of.
> Here I was, sitting in the Jubilee Auditorium, listening to a bunch of
> bright-eyed, bushy-tailed graduans as they talked about how they had gotten
> through high school and were heading on to higher education to further their
> dreams. All the while, the Conservative attack ads were playing in the back
> of my mind...
>
> I thought, how short-sighted of Harper's RightOffs. On the one hand, their
> parents and teachers are telling the kids, "Do your best! Get out there and
> make a difference! Make the World a better place!" And, when they went
> home, they saw ads saying, "If you leave Canada and work for a better
> continent, better world, you aren't Canadian! You're just visiting!"
>
> Isn't that the most treasonous message our government could give?
Not by a long shot.
I left Canada for a total of 12 years, also the most financially and
rewarding 12 years of my career. 3 other countries in all. Enlighting
after being raised in Canada being spoon fed the CBC and Liberal media
crap we get. Absolutely no regrets at all.
In fact, if it were not for family, I wouldn't have come back to Canada.
Who knows, I might yet move again. By my lovely wife I think would
miss the family too much.
School is full of idealisms and liberal brain conditioning, it wears off
with a few years of real world experience if you continue to learn.
Canuck57
They raised and pushed it first. And condembed Harpo for being too late
and not enough. Iggy even said to raise taxes!!!
Ottawa, puss hole of the north - Land of Excessive taxation.
Canuck57
Consumers are us! As a collective we vote for ass holes and liars.
> Produce all you want, but if you don't have a "mass market" to sell to,
> you're going broke...
Lots of companies make big bucks not dealing with the mass markets. In
fact, the best investments are niche. You don't make as much selling a
50 million popsicles as you do a F22 Raptor for example.
Canuck57
Well, the jack ass could lie good in forked tonge.
> Of course, "corruption" is just a word to describe what others have done
> when we don't agree...
What we teach kids is government is good, lots of government is good.
Now go out and be a good government soldier and unionize, and slay
capitalists! Ok, extreme but the kids get a very idealistic view of
government.
If we told them the truth, the object truths, tought ad-scam and analse
it, we would scare the hell out of kids. Even a 5 year old knows
$300,000 cash is likely bad. But not tought.
> But, when it's all said and done, I'll take Chretien, Trudeau, and Pearson
> over Harper, Mulroney, possibly even Diefenbacher. (Of course, Turner,
> Clark and Campbell didn't really get a fair shake, so I give them a pass...
If I had to spend just one loonie to save any or all of them, they would
be in deep trouble. Especially Chretien and Turdeau. Still paying for
those liberal bozos today.
> The thing about Liberal Prime Ministers is they don't just take care of the
> wealthy, they leave the country AS A WHOLE in better shape than it was when
> they took office...
Nope, they rip you off blind and saddle a huge debt and interest bill on
the next generation of citizens. And do it with a kinky smile like
Chretien. Turdeau still has the record for being the biggest debtor in
Canada, even with inflation it stands even today, almost 30 years later.
Dudley Hanks
Let's not forget that the whole thing comes down to a crisis created by
RightOffs in the States, all the way from Bushite policies to monumental
greed and corruption throughout the financial community...
This WriteOff comes to you thanks to RightOffs around the world!!!
Take Care,
Dudley
Dudley Hanks
It still comes back to mass markets. Who's gonna pay for that F22?
Oh, yeah, taxes don't create wealth! So, all those companies in the
industrial / military complex did it via good ol' free enterprize... How
stupid of me!
Quite frankly, I'd rather make less selling treats than military toys...
And, back to your economic philosophy, don't quit your day job... Nobody's
gonna hire you as a Deputy Finance Minister real soon...
Take Care,
Dudley
Dudley Hanks
Maybe, but you're saddling one person with the blame for global economic
conditions at the time...
Heard of stagflation? Nobody had up till then. It was a new economic
phenomenum, and trudeau had to deal with it, and he did. My guess is that
Standfield, or any of the other Cons he out-polled would have wracked up a
bigger tab. But, we all know those RightOffs are such good money managers,
RIGHT?
Regarding what we teach kids about government, I'm glad you're not the
education minister. If you were, the kids would be so screwed up and
depressed, teen-age suicides would probably go through the roof...
The more people there are, the harder it is to keep our communities
functional. But, of course, you've got a simple solution, RIGHT? Copy the
States? Streamline government so far our meat packers can't even put out
safe sandwich slices? But, hey, private businesses can police themselves,
RIGHT?
Cut healthcare spending so far we go private and only the rich survive a
pandemic, RIGHT?
Implement toll roads so that only the rich can cruise the streets in their
hummers -- cutting polution and traffic congestion in one fell swoop, RIGHT?
Oh, yeah, Knuck, you and all those other RightOffs have such great ideas...
Take Care,
Dudley
Dudley Hanks
>>>>> Which is why I don't vote for Harpo. I am in Calgary SW too. Harpo
>>>>> is a liar like Chretien. But will admit he isn't as bad as the
>>>>> alternatives like Iggy/Laytoon. But I will not be lied to then vote
>>>>> for a POS. Plenty of other candidates. And no, I don't vote for
>>>>> Liberal scum nor the NDP mindless.
>>>> What's wrong with the Liberals?
>>> I am probably older than you. Liberals have been a letdown ever since I
>>> first voted. Liars, taxers, statists, ad-scam crooks. Debt be thy name
>>> Liberals. Anti-American Chretien yet propels "US is my nation" Iggy.
>>> Flip flop, promise a lot and screw it up types. Before Iggy, Dion a
>>> leader? OMG what were they thinking about when they choose leaders?
>>> Turdeau is still Canada's biggest debtor government and I am still
>>> paying for it even though I wasn't old enough to vote when he did it!
>>>
>>> Fuck Liberals. Pieces of shit. Ever province they run is in massive
>>> debt.
Every province is in massive debt (except Alberta); it doesn't matter who's
running the show, it costs money to keep things running...
And, before you start spewing RightOff propaganda about the PC's being the
reason Alberta's in better shape, I'll say it again: it's the resources,
not the politicians...
>>> Taxing the shit out of their people for no value. Liberals have
>>> excuses, lots of BS excuses.
Almost as good as the Tory excuses...
But the fact remains they haven't been that good for
>>> Canadians in the last 30 years.
>>>
>>> Take big mouth Chretien. BC gets a good lumber business going and
>>> Ontario slows down. So he ticks off the Americans alowing
>>> congress/senate to interject and created the softwood lumber crisis.
You would have had him increase the stumpage tax? Kind of a strange
suggestion for a RightOff, RIGHT?
>>>
>>> Then there is NEP. NEP was such a screw job on the west, those that
>>> remeber that would rather burn a liberal alive than to be subjegated to
>>> that again.
I voted for it, and would again...
It was Lougheed's reaction to it that caused the slowdown, not the NEP
itself...
While I did well, it was my conservatism in cash that allowed
>>> me to survive.
You have to have it to keep it...
>>>
>>> Top it off with the most selfish controlling people I know are Liberals
>>> or NDP.
We look at selfishness a bit different...
What's more selfish, an unemployed person looking for help because he has no
employable skills, or the guy in the Hummer who drives by and yells "Get a
job!"
They like hand outs over hand ups because of the power of control
>>> and favors it generates. I prefer hand ups over hand outs.
>>>
You wouldn't recognize either if you stumbled into a government Career
Center...
>>>> I'd sooner see what academic Iggy has to offer than more of idealog
>>>> Harper's Bushy agenda...
>>> I am smart enough to know both are are a problem. Just that Harpo, even
>>> though he is a liar scum bag is a better choice than Iggy
Why?
. Is that
>>> Harvard Iggy in Obama's pocket or Crazy Ivan Iggy egocentric academic
>>> buffoon?
>>>
>>> Give me a better choice and get better quality people in the Liberal
>>> party, results not promises will sway my vote.
Why don't you run yourself? I'd be interested in your vote total...
>>
>> Actually, I was a Westerner voting for Trudeau during the NEP. I was one
>> of the few out here who realized that the NEP was better for the country
>> than for the province, but the country needs some sacrifices,
>> sometimes...
>
> Good you kept your mouth shut about that back then. You could have seen a
> wold of hurt if you expressed those sediments in a bar along McCleod
> trail.
>
I worked in the oil field when it happened... Got laid off...
But, I was a strapping 6' 4" and weighed about 220, so nobody bothered me
much...
>> Of course, your ideological blinkers keep you from realizing that...
>
> No blindness.
Cheap shot, but not unexpected from a RightOff, RIGHT? Another RightOff
once told me I should have jacked off less, so I would be able to work
now... Real compassionate crowd, you RightOffs...
>
>> Last spring, I was particularly disappointed as my son was graduating.
>
> Why? Did he graduate to spite you? If he is smarter than you, nothing to
> be ashamed of.
Ever passed a university course with a perfect score? I have...
You should really read the whole scenario before you start spewing your
uninformed vitriol. But, your comments are showing other members of the
group how you come up with your screwed up ideas...
Keep it up!
>
>> Here I was, sitting in the Jubilee Auditorium, listening to a bunch of
>> bright-eyed, bushy-tailed graduans as they talked about how they had
>> gotten through high school and were heading on to higher education to
>> further their dreams. All the while, the Conservative attack ads were
>> playing in the back of my mind...
>>
>> I thought, how short-sighted of Harper's RightOffs. On the one hand,
>> their parents and teachers are telling the kids, "Do your best! Get out
>> there and make a difference! Make the World a better place!" And, when
>> they went home, they saw ads saying, "If you leave Canada and work for a
>> better continent, better world, you aren't Canadian! You're just
>> visiting!"
>>
>> Isn't that the most treasonous message our government could give?
>
> Not by a long shot.
What's worse?
>
> I left Canada for a total of 12 years, also the most financially and
> rewarding 12 years of my career. 3 other countries in all. Enlighting
> after being raised in Canada being spoon fed the CBC and Liberal media
> crap we get. Absolutely no regrets at all.
>
So, you are now ineligible for public office, according to Harper, RIGHT?
> In fact, if it were not for family, I wouldn't have come back to Canada.
> Who knows, I might yet move again.
Promises, promises, promises, ...
By my lovely wife I think would
> miss the family too much.
>
> School is full of idealisms and liberal brain conditioning, it wears off
> with a few years of real world experience if you continue to learn.
Somewhere along the line, you missed something...
Take Care,
Dudley