These are the kinds of unguarded moments that can stick to a politician.
Ralph Klein is still remembered for blaming eastern "creeps and bums" for crime while he
was mayor of Calgary in the early 1980s. David Tsubouchi, an Ontario cabinet minister
under premier Mike Harris, was derided as "tin-can Tsubouchi" for the 1995 suggestion that
poor people haggle over dented cans of tuna.
And Stephen Harper is still reviled by some Easterners for saying in 2002 that his party's
biggest stumbling block here was the "can't-do attitude" of people who "sit around waiting
for favours from government."
The prospect of such a lasting reputation may be why Gerald Keddy, Conservative MP for the
rural Nova Scotia riding South Shore-St. Margaret's, was quick to apologize yesterday
after reportedly calling Halifax street people "no-good bastards" too lazy to work. His
comment, which appeared amid news of surging Employment Insurance claims and rising food
bank use in Halifax, was already sparking criticism.
"Raising oneself out of poverty is not just a matter of sheer will and good old-fashioned
determination," said Merlin Watt, local representative of the group Make Poverty History.
"It's incredibly disappointing for the broad brush to be used."
Nova Scotia Premier Darrell Dexter, a New Democrat who led the charge against Mr. Harper
seven years ago, introducing a resolution condemning his comments that passed unanimously
in the provincial legislature, declined comment yesterday about Mr. Keddy's remarks. But
NDP Halifax MP Megan Leslie, whose north end constituency office is not far from the local
methadone clinic, admitted her first fleeting reaction was anger.
"But then I felt a little bit sad and depressed about what this government is doing," she
said. "It's not about [Mr. Keddy] ... it's about this government and how they feel about
people who are on hard times, who are struggling."
Long a fixture in front of one of Halifax's busiest liquor stores, a panhandler who gave
his name only as Christopher called the comments insulting.
"It's stupid," he said, tapping his eye patch and then his ear to indicate his
disabilities. "I haven't worked for 20 years. How could I?"
Mr. Keddy, who last made headlines for brandishing a large novelty cheque with the party
logo while announcing federal funding in his riding, reportedly made the comment while
arguing that Annapolis Valley agriculture couldn't survive without imported labour.
"Nova Scotians won't do it - all those no-good bastards sitting on the sidewalk in Halifax
that can't get work," he was quoted saying in the Halifax Chronicle-Herald.
The comment appeared the same day Statistics Canada released the latest Employment
Insurance figures. The number of Haligonians receiving EI jumped nearly 44 per cent from
September of 2008 to the same month this year.
In a statement released yesterday, Mr. Keddy apologized for his "insensitive" remarks.
"In no way did I mean to offend those who have lost their job due to the global recession,
nor did I mean to suggest that anyone who is unemployed is not actively looking for
employment," he said.
old news. Apology has been made. Time to move on.
There you go again defending governments, and the making excuses of a police
state type of nonsense that is pushed in governments. You are a demended
bastered. You should be flogged....
>
>
Well in regardsof flogging, why don't you be the subject of a demonstration
as to how a person would flog YOU? We'll start by pulling down your
pants and shorts and getting the leather strap ready for your ass.
You're getting worked up once again about something that is old news. Tory
MP apologied for his remarks, and how is that attributed to
a "police-state"??
and what is "demended"??
Time to move on from this incident Mark, everyone else has.
"Pat Bay" <pat...@islandz.net> wrote in message news:vKhQm.55548$PH1.47898@edtnps82...
> old news. Apology has been made. Time to move on.
Naw ..... let's play it out like your Cons would: make it an issue in the House that
requires attacks for at least 2 to 5 sessions. You rightwing types would like that these
things not attract any bad focus on your party, but repeated bigotry like this one tends
to give a truer picture of what the Harper Conservatives are made of. That's an important
thing for voters to know, don't you agree?
This isn't about myself, as it is about you, who always defends governments
terrorism, no matter what the political issue is and yet, I often wonder why
a person like you, who claims he is well educated, wants to see governmentys
having control over people no matter what it is...Which says you are nothing
more then a deranged, socilaist misfit, who doesn't grasp that you are in
fact helping governments, with your own demise...very odd indeed.
>We'll start by pulling down your
> pants and shorts and getting the leather strap ready for your ass.
So you think by pulling down people's pants, it helps you feel superior, in
some odd gay way...hmmmmmm, that very odd thinking you have boy. Is it some
kind of cult thing you do...it does make people wonder....
>
> You're getting worked up once again about something that is old news. Tory
> MP apologied for his remarks, and how is that attributed to
> a "police-state"??
Any government offical who attacks people living in the streets, is either
juist stupid, or is nothing but a piece of shit himself, just like you
boy...
This guy is nothing more then an conservatarian" who wants
free.police.protection
First, aint going to happen. The apologies have been made and its time to
move on.
Your being a bit discriminatory yourself with the"bigory like this one tends
to give a truer picture of what the Harper Conservatives are made of".
Not true. One person's erroneous opinion does not make for widespread
acceptance as we have seen.
Otherwise it applies to other parties (Liberals and NDP included).
and how about apologies from the left wing about not doing anything of merit
in a big way for the homeless despite endless whining and complaining
that the government hasn't done enough? How about taking the initiative on
their own to start with?
The voters will decide if they want the Harper government back for another
term. This incident isn't going to make or break the results nationwide.
and how about Liberal Hedy Fry when she wailed about crosses burning in
Prince George?? Racist remark there too.
Your so full of it boy...What a goofy shit you are, since when did you give
a rats ass about people, you phony hypocrite..
and in case you didn't grasp that...read on you kook
a.. hypocrite, Dissembler1.) Hypocrite, dissembler, dissimulator, phony,
phoney, pretender -- (a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or
she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives)
dissembler, dissimulator, Phony1.) Hypocrite, dissembler, dissimulator,
phony, phoney, pretender -- (a person who professes beliefs and opinions
that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or
motives)
1.) Bogus, fake, phony, phoney, bastard -- (fraudulent; having a
misleading appearance) phony, phoney, Pretender1.) Pretender -- (a claimant
to the throne or to the office of ruler (usually without just title))
2.) Imposter, impostor, pretender, fake, faker, fraud, sham, shammer,
pseudo, pseud, role player -- (a person who makes deceitful pretenses)
pretender -- (a Person1.) Person, individual, someone, somebody, mortal,
soul -- (a human being; "there was too much for one person to do")
Person -- (a human body (usually including the clothing); "a weapon was
hidden on his person")
person who Professes1.) Profess -- (practice as a profession, teach, or
claim to be knowledgeable about; "She professes organic chemistry")
Profess -- (confess one's faith in, or allegiance to; "The terrorists
professed allegiance to the Muslim faith"; "he professes to be a Communist")
professes beliefs and Opinions1.) Opinion, sentiment, persuasion, view,
thought -- (a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or
certainty; "my opinion differs from yours"; "what are your thoughts on
Haiti?")
Public opinion, popular opinion, opinion, vox populi -- (a belief or
sentiment shared by most people; the voice of the people; "he asked for a
poll of public opinion")
opinions that he or she does not Hold1.) Clasp, clench, clutch, clutches,
grasp, grip, hold -- (the act of grasping; "he released his clasp on my
arm"; "he has a strong grip for an old man"; "she kept a firm hold on the
railing")
Appreciation, grasp, hold -- (understanding of the nature or meaning or
quality or magnitude of something; "he has a good grasp of accounting
practices")
hold in Order1.) Order -- ((often plural) a command given by a superior
(e.g., a military or law enforcement officer) that must be obeyed; "the
British ships dropped anchor and waited for orders from London")
Order, order of magnitude -- (a degree in a continuum of size or quantity;
"it was on the order of a mile"; "an explosion of a low order of magnitude")
order to Conceal1.) Hide, conceal -- (prevent from being seen or
discovered; "Muslim women hide their faces"; "hide the money")
Conceal, hold back, hold in -- (hold back; keep from being perceived by
others; "She conceals her anger well")
conceal his or her Real1.) Real number, real -- (any rational or
irrational number)
Real -- (an old small silver Spanish coin) real feelings or motives)
Twisting words around again, aren't you? You figure you've felt superior to
everyone else in this newsgroups with your repeated rants.
Re-read what you wrote. You wrote "flogged". That means a good smack with a
leater strip on the exposed behind. We figure you'd
be a good subject for demonstration since you brought the concept up in the
first place. What a wuss you are.
>>
>> You're getting worked up once again about something that is old news.
>> Tory
>> MP apologied for his remarks, and how is that attributed to
>> a "police-state"??
>
> Any government offical who attacks people living in the streets, is either
> juist stupid, or is nothing but a piece of shit himself, just like you
> boy...
Sure Mark, and just when did this Tory MP physically attack anyone? He made
a stupid remark and apologised for it.
Unlike your perpetual stupid remarks and you've never apologied to anyone
here for making them.
Get real, boy.
and since when did you ever give a rat's ass about people??
>
> a.. hypocrite, Dissembler1.) Hypocrite, dissembler, dissimulator, phony,
> phoney, pretender -- (a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he
> or
> she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives)
example: Mark Hansel.
> dissembler, dissimulator, Phony1.) Hypocrite, dissembler, dissimulator,
> phony, phoney, pretender -- (a person who professes beliefs and opinions
> that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings
> or
> motives)
example: Mark Hansel.
> 1.) Bogus, fake, phony, phoney, bastard -- (fraudulent; having a
> misleading appearance) phony, phoney, Pretender1.) Pretender -- (a
> claimant
> to the throne or to the office of ruler (usually without just title))
>
> 2.) Imposter, impostor, pretender, fake, faker, fraud, sham, shammer,
> pseudo, pseud, role player -- (a person who makes deceitful pretenses)
>
Example: Mark Hansel.
Mark is a right wingie dingie nut who wants everything to be his way and
only his way. He doesn't care about anyone else, just himself.
He's probably flogging himself right now as punishment for his
selfishness...attaboy Mark.
==
Listen, your last response to him was the most lucid and coherent we've seen from you here
in a long time..... don't be losing the edge by going off in another tangent.
The Conservatives have shown, time and again, that they have a very real disdain for the
working guy and a really warm affection for those who ask them for bailouts and tax cuts.
This MP from Nova Scotia is just another chink in the already rusty armor of the Harper
Conservatives. It's up to Nova Scotians to figure it out and vote accordingly in the next
federal election.
Gerald Keddy - South Shore-St. Margaret's, and Halifax, you can remember or forget, come
the next election.
________________________________________________
Tory MP apologizes for 'insensitive' remarks about street people
HALIFAX � From Wednesday's Globe and Mail Published on Wednesday, Nov. 25, 2009 12:00AM
EST Last updated on Friday, Nov. 27, 2009 2:24AM EST
These are the kinds of unguarded moments that can stick to a politician.
What ever he uses to row his boat..
Not "one person's opinion". One of MANY Conservatives who've made degrading remarks about
the people of the east coast - including Harper himself. You want to play this game? You
name one Liberal or NDPer who's made such bigoted comments about people in the Maritimes,
and I'll name two Conservatives who've made such disparaging comments. Let's play
.........
Sure. I'm not aware of any Liberal or NDPer that has made bigoted comments
about people in the Maritimes, but
we can take your Dr. Hedy Fry and her comments about crosses burning in
Prince George, and then there was
the NDPer Svend Robinson who admitted he was a thief.
The Liberals have done sweet bugger all for British Columbia -- you care to
get into how the Conservatives and Liberals have funded many projects
in Ontario and Quebec, and have not given much in the way for supporting the
forest industry out here??
Let's get serious here. The fisheries in Atlantic Canada are important and
there was a need for federal funding to keep it going, but let's balance
that
out with funding for our resource industries out here too. One region
cannot be played up over another. There needs to be a balance.
Let's play..
"Pat Bay" <pat...@islandz.net> wrote in message news:aWjQm.55575$PH1.39786@edtnps82
> Sure. I'm not aware of any Liberal or NDPer that has made bigoted comments about people
> in the Maritimes, but
> we can take your Dr. Hedy Fry and her comments about crosses burning in Prince George,
> and then there was
> the NDPer Svend Robinson who admitted he was a thief.
Nope. That's called 'obfuscation'. You said you could quote other party members who've
made such comments about the unemployed of the Maritimes. Don't be going off into
"racist" and "thief" categories. You surely won't win that one either if you try to
defend the Conservatives. C'mon, big mouth, play the cards you have for 'bigots are in
the NDP and Liberal ranks too'.
Re-read what I said:
"I'm not aware of any Liberal or NDPer that has made bigoted comments about
people in the Maritimes.."
You wrote:
"You said you could quote other party members who've maded such comments
about the unemployed of the Maritimes"
The two statements are not equatable to each other.
In the wider scope its politicians who made stupid errors ending up
apologizing for them, those errors being of many types.
Every party has those. Even yours.
We agree to disagree.
End of debate.
The voters would appear to disagree with you on this (as they do on
most things) since the poll numbers don't indicate any change in
political support. What I found really funny, though, was the CTV
coverage of the story where they had a employer on who owned a
Christmas tree farm and was forced to import Mexican workers to
harvest them because the locals were "unwilling" to work the hours
required. The lengths he went to to avoid having to use the word
'lazy' were truly amusing...
(and while we're at it...having KKKaren calling anyone else a
'bigot' is also quite amusing...;)
> Twisting words around again, aren't you?
I don't need to, you do a fine job twisting yourself that way, you freak of
nature... as the fact is, you belong to some odd and sick and demended cult.
The only thing you care about is molesting small animals
>
>
what a nut you are..
>
>
Pat Bay a failed embezzler, what do you expect...that he is going to be
forthright or honest...hardly
>
>
Yup, hit and run as that is what you do best, when you are shown to be an
useful idiot.
>
>
>
>
>
Look, either way, Harper's main agenda right now is at Copenhagen meeting,
where all world political leaders are trying to push forth a gobal
government based on fraud and stupid people like Pat Bay don't have a clue
about the type of nonsense this country is going to go though, by losing
it's identy as a country.
I don't trust Harper or the Liberals any more, both partys are working
towards the same goals, but using different ways to come forth with the same
agenda's...all based on UN and EU policys...fuck them....
>
> The Conservatives have shown, time and again, that they have a very real
disdain for the
> working guy and a really warm affection for those who ask them for
bailouts and tax cuts.
> This MP from Nova Scotia is just another chink in the already rusty armor
of the Harper
> Conservatives. It's up to Nova Scotians to figure it out and vote
accordingly in the next
> federal election.
>
> Gerald Keddy - South Shore-St. Margaret's, and Halifax, you can remember
or forget, come
> the next election.
> ________________________________________________
>
> Tory MP apologizes for 'insensitive' remarks about street people
> HALIFAX - From Wednesday's Globe and Mail Published on Wednesday, Nov. 25,
Well you obviously have and this isn't the first time you've done that.
Do you honestly think people consider you to be smart?
You are smart... as in being a smart-ass..
and learn to spell properly if you're going to draw people into your nutty
observances..
It's "demented" not "demended"..
and just where did you get that stupid idea from??
You're the best example a person could find, so you know all about being a
nut (and a headcase).
acutally I prefer to "fire and then move on".
How long do these circular debates go on? Like ten years like yours have??
Get a life, sport.
Sorry wrong again, dufus, but you keep goin' on with that fantasy.
and guess what? You still haven't visited him personally to confront him on
these dumb accusations of your (mostly him posting here) have you?
nonsense, you seem to think it all about you chimpy....no one cares what a
kook like you want to beleive or post....
> Do you honestly think people consider you to be smart?
You see dimwit, that doesn't matter what people think about myself, as long
as the truth about political issues come forth and that is something you
hate so much, that you make yourself out as a kook, in order for political
issues that effect governments are not posted
> You are smart... as in being a smart-ass..
>
> and learn to spell properly if you're going to draw people into your nutty
> observances..
ahhh yes, the socilaist speeling bee contest, and yet, what is funny is
seeing you make spelling mistakes all the time in your posts, but you don't
see myself getting all bent out of shape over your stupidity....Like I keep
on pointing out to you dimwit, if you keep on brainfarting like you do, I
can't be held responsible for your stupidness"
From you.....
>
>
>
Oh you mean where I post real political issues that get you and a few others
all bent out of shape, unlike the crap you post and make yourself out as the
government protector and all around useful idiot.....
bahahahhahahahah, sure you do, it like saying you beleive you are
spiecal...LOL's
>
> How long do these circular debates go on? Like ten years like yours have??
>
> Get a life, sport.
Yes you should you lying sack of shit, and all around useful idiot.
>
>
Oh please, you know you are a lying sack of shit and yet if you have any
balls what so ever, you wouldn't be so cowardly.
Well you obviously are worried about how you're perceived by others
otherwise you wouldn't reply to myself or others in here.
You wouldn't know the truth about political issues if you saw them in a
grade 6 level primer.
and since when do you consider yourself the 'expert' on political issues??
You've gotten so many wrong, that if this was a subject in
school, you'd fail and would have to take it again next year.
>
>> You are smart... as in being a smart-ass..
>>
>> and learn to spell properly if you're going to draw people into your
>> nutty
>> observances..
>
> ahhh yes, the socilaist speeling bee contest, and yet, what is funny is
> seeing you make spelling mistakes all the time in your posts, but you
> don't
> see myself getting all bent out of shape over your stupidity....Like I
> keep
> on pointing out to you dimwit, if you keep on brainfarting like you do, I
> can't be held responsible for your stupidness"
You're obviously not holding yourself for your own stupidness. It has shown
with your idiotic posts of which many have had alot of spelling errors.
and you're certainly not smarter than myself or alot of people here. If you
were, you would know how to compose and spell properly and do your
research properly rather than crying and yelling on like you do.
Yeah right. Your own fantasy no doubt.
Bouncing back the words again...
and yet another name change Mark?
Obviously you want attention.
get a life, loser.
Real political issues?? You've never done that to a credible degreee. Let's
see
Chemtrails (no wait, they are real, right Mark there's planes overhead in
Victoria that are spewing chemicals according to you right now, right?
then there's poision in the H1N1 vaccines -- just how many people in British
Columbia have died as a direct cause of being injected with the currently
available vaccines??
"police state" -- interesting. Was in downtown Victoria a few weeks ago and
didn't see any U.S. Army troops on Dougas or Blanshard Streets or
even around the Inner Harbour, Mark. Certainly no checkpoints on the Pat
Bay Highway around Elk Lake..
You're really fucked up and horrendously conceited.
You're the best example of a person being overtly conceited, Mark.
As for you, you just hate to lose in any debate, your way is the right way.
News for you sport. You've been wrong on many things, but are too stupid to
admit it.
You've been debating unsuccessfully for 10 years and hasn't gotten you
anywhere fast.
What does that tell you?
Tells us quite simply you don't know when to quit, it's like a paranoid
state you're in.
yeah right. If you had any balls what so ever, you'd realise what you had
been reading is a collection of research that is easily available on the
internet,
and does not indicate that Cowan posted it here. Anyone could have posted
that stuff..
and news for you..
Someone did, but it was not Kent Cowen himself (notice he personally hasn't
posted anything in here along with some facts that only you and him
would know about and not the intenet searching public)?
Realise it boy, you're caught in your own fantasyland.
Go and visit Cowan yourself. In five minutes you'd realise it hasn't been
him that was posting those facts.
But you're too scared and dumb to go and see him at his door, obviously.
No dimwit, it is you who spends his days worrying about how you're perceived
by others, when in fact, your a fucking idiot.
That is right, you fucking idiot
Yup...where you want to be a fucking idiot on real issues and all you want
to post is fluff and ball park crap....
Again you fucking idiot, it's not about me, it's about how you pretend you
are this speical needs person, who wants to be someone speical.
See how you are such a cowardly snake....
Is that so??
So how is that you keep posting crap and endlessly start crying (like you
just did) when posts you read aren't what you like?
and frequently changing your fake name from one to a new one?
Seems to us you're always worrying about how your perceived by others. To
myself and others, this newsgroup is just entertainment.
To you it seems to be a huge part of your life (witness your posting volume
on a few days, starts in the morning and continues to the afternoon,
some paced about 20 to 30 minutes apart).
As for being a fucking idiot, we all know you're the prime example of that.
Sure, like you have with your perception of chemtrails, NAU, "police state"
U.S. Army troops marching to orders here in Victoria...
you have no concept as to what important issues are out there other than
what Alex Jones cooks up in his caldron.
Sure, so now you're a psychologist are you?
Where did I ever say that I am any more special than anyone else in this
newsgroup. Again, it comes back to you twisting your own words around,
playing word games.
You're the one who aims to be "someone special" but you haven't even made
the effort, and never will, because you wouldn't know where to start.
How's that? You're not smart enough to figure it out.
You should know it because you've lived like one in this newsgroup for 10
years..
So from this, you're saying you are right about you molesting small animals,
eh?
Remember dufus you wrote this:
">> >> > The only thing you care about is molesting small animals"
so this is your own line of thinking, not mine.
Ya, so take your bullshit and go fly a kite you smiley face smurfate
Doesn't surprise myself you do that..
Well at least you admit it you kook.
No surprising at all about you.
Ain't going to happen. This isn't your own newsgroup bud. I'll post here
what I want when I want and on what subject I want.
Sure I'll admit that you want to be a fucking idiot on real issues and all
you want to post is fluff and ball park crap.
Nothing new there. You've been doing that for the past 10 years.
That you are.
That you've lived like a snake in this newsgroup for 10 years? No surprising
at all about you.
So you molest animals yourself do you?
Then stop crying like a baby, who needs his bottle then and be a man you
whiny kook
>
>
>
Ok good.... now go check your brain into the kooky place you call home at
the mental house for misfit smurfs
Ok good for you, now what, you going to pee your diaper for a new record as
a wet brain kook
>
>
When are you going to stop crying like a baby and perpetually wanting
attention from us all the time??
You certainly do both with your perpetual changing of your fake name (you've
never told us what your real name is, too cowardly for that), and
you're obviously crying out for attention.
Hate to break it to you, but what ever rights and freedoms you have is no
different from that which I possess nor anyone else in this newsgroup.
Didn't admit to anything, idiot. This is the end of my original post:
"> Well at least you admit it you kook.
Sure I'll admit that you want to be a fucking idiot on real issues and all
you want to post is fluff and ball park crap.
Nothing new there. You've been doing that for the past 10 years."
What you did is just cut off the line and edited "Sure, I;ll admit that"
instead of keeping the original line which was:
"Sure I'll admit that you want to be a fucking idiot..."
Nice try sport...
for someone who plays word games at a Grade 5 level like you do.
So you're now into wet diapers are you?
We figured you were weird, but not that weird, but we now know more about
you.
So nothing new about you doing that? Figures. One more idiotic idea from
Mark.
Well it about time, I really thought you wouldn't stop crying....
"Pat Bay" <p...@rocklandzbc.com> wrote in message
news:dT0Rm.54319$Db2.53125@edtnps83...
you realy are a spiecal needs person....wow..
Did the story of the Christmas tree farmer happen to mention what he was willing to pay
Canadians to work those "hours required"? My guess it was just another business owner who
wanted to pay below minimum wages and substituted the word 'employment' for exploitation.
You could be wrong on that one. Your guess is most likely based on
pre-defined prejudices.