Canadians seem to have Harper figured out - finally
senecat
February 2, 2009 at 2:32 PM EST
"Canadians say Stephen Harper was motivated by political survival and would have never
have unveiled this week's multi-billion-dollar stimulus budget had the opposition not
forced him to," Ottawa bureau chief Brian Laghi writes in this story.
"The results of a new Globe and Mail-CTV Poll also find that, despite moderate support for
the budget, most Canadians continue to hold Mr. Harper responsible for the crisis
atmosphere that prompted it and believe he hasn't fundamentally changed.
"'Canadians think Harper has done this with a gun to this head,' said Peter Donolo, a
partner with the Strategic Counsel, the firm that conducted the poll. 'They feel this
wouldn't have happened had the opposition not held his feet to the fire.'
"The poll also finds that Quebeckers are significantly more negative about the Prime
Minister and the budget than are Canadians in other regions of the country, and that
voters are now less likely to support the government because of the budget."
Budget fails to quell criticisms of Prime Minister, poll suggests
The Globe's editorial board says: "These responses are a sharp rebuke to a Prime Minister
who only three-and-a-half months ago was re-elected primarily because he was believed to
be best-suited to managing economic challenges ahead. But that rebuke is well-earned.
Empathy has never been Mr. Harper's strong suit, but his steely persona previously gave
the impression that he would respond coolly in high-pressure times. Instead, his behaviour
has lacked discipline and maturity, adding to the volatility rather than providing
stability.
"Although it was surely the biggest single factor, it was not just the government's
disastrous November economic update that eroded confidence in Mr. Harper. It has also been
the manner in which the Conservatives have veered from one message to another about the
state of the economy and Canada's response to it. Mr. Harper went from playing down the
prospect of recession to acknowledging the prospect of a full-blown depression; from
ludicrously claiming that the government would stay out of deficit to forecasting an
$85-billion deficit less than two months later.
"This is not the sort of consistency from which confidence is born. In just a couple of
months, Mr. Harper managed to erode an enormous political advantage over his opponents. It
will take much longer than that to restore it."
The Doctor
Simply headline: Controllatives lose control.
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Canuck57
"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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Maybe Harper and Iggy are dating?
sdgreen
Yes, looks like Count Iggy is losing a bit of control. No wonder Count Iggy
does not even support his Liberal Party. His contribution was a big fat $0
for 2008. All the other MPs gave a bunch. Iggy is on probation as he has not
been elected to lead the Liberals. A puppet he is!
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Canuck57
"sdgreen" <sd.g...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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I wonder if he is a CAW puppet. Or maybe just a sock puppet?
fred
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> Simply headline: Controllatives lose control.
You mean Steven loses it. In both meanings of the word. The fact is that
he only got elected due to a monsterous liberal blunder (Dion being
chosen) and massaging the voters lists - the ID bit remember that wrinkle?
guaranteed to boost the right wing voters and reject more left wing
voters. I give him 6 months tops. Then he's toast. What happens to the
PC/Reform/Alliance/Conservative party next will probably be the most
entertaining bit of it. My *guess* is that MacKay will be left to pick up
the pieces and try to make something live again. Call him Frankenstein's
unlucky brother.
senecat
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"sdgreen" <sd.g...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:iY5il.46$1r4...@newsfe04.iad...
> Yes, looks like Count Iggy is losing a bit of control. No wonder Count Iggy
> does not even support his Liberal Party. His contribution was a big fat $0
> for 2008. All the other MPs gave a bunch. Iggy is on probation as he has not
> been elected to lead the Liberals. A puppet he is!
Your Harper Cons 'should lose such control'. Ignatieff has taken the Liberals past your
Cons in the post-proroguing days. And it's onward and upward from here on, as Canadians
are relating to Ignatieff like they couldn't to Dion.
Hold onto your skivvies, Ms Green...........
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Ignatieff Catches Attention Of Top U.S. Daily
February 2, 2009 11:42 a.m. EST
New York, NY (AHN) - Canadian Liberal Party leader Michael Ignatieff's decision to support
the budget of Prime Minister Stephen Harper may have caught the ire of opposition parties
which were counting on their coalition to oust Harper.
But it earned Ignatieff the admiration of the New York Times, which gave him a good
review. The article, written by Eric Konigsberg, portrayed the Liberal Party leader as a
keen intellectual on the wings of assuming greater powers.
The article was prompted by recent development in Canada's politics, after Ignatieff, to
the surprise of coalition members of the opposition, supported Harper's budget instead of
pushing through with the group's original plan in November to remove Harper from power
through a vote of confidence. In November, the Liberal Party was still under the helm of
Stephane Dion, who was still smarting from the party's poll defeat in the hands of the
Tories.
Konigsberg wrote, "His (Ignatieff) ascendancy puts his country on the cusp of an unusual
moment, in some ways a throwback to the era of dashing Pierre Tradeau, another smart-set
intellectual who served as prime minister."
Manhattan media blog Gawker called Ignatieff Canada's version of U.S. President Barack
Obama. Aside from Ignatieff's brilliant mind, Gawker pointed out the Liberal Party leader
had in common with Obama familiarity with information technology.
Both leaders are social networking site Twitter members. Ignatieff is also a member of
Facebook and Flickr photos.
Commenting on the comparison, Ignatieff said, quoted by Globe and Mail, "There's only one
Obama."
sdgreen
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sdgreen
"senecat" <sen...@home.now> wrote in message
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But we sure do not want another Trudeau type!
Roy
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> >> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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Don't worry Green, Iggy is no Trudeau...he could never be that
dangerous.
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The Doctor
Even Kim Campbell was luckier.
Canuck57
I for one, no way. We are still paying for Turdeau.
Canuck57
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Actually, Itchy Iggy does remind me of Turdeau in some ways. Scary. The
last thing Canada needs is another Turdeau. In fact, Caanda would not
survive another round of Turdeau. Canadians would be screwed into eternity.
Bogey Man
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>> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> news:gmantt$mka$4...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> > Simply headline: Controllatives lose control.
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> "sdgreen" <sd.g...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:iY5il.46$1r4...@newsfe04.iad...
>> Yes, looks like Count Iggy is losing a bit of control. No wonder Count
>> Iggy
>> does not even support his Liberal Party. His contribution was a big fat
>> $0
>> for 2008. All the other MPs gave a bunch. Iggy is on probation as he has
>> not
>> been elected to lead the Liberals. A puppet he is!
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> Your Harper Cons 'should lose such control'. Ignatieff has taken the
> Liberals past your
> Cons in the post-proroguing days. And it's onward and upward from here
> on, as Canadians
> are relating to Ignatieff like they couldn't to Dion.
> Hold onto your skivvies, Ms Green...........
Relate to Ignatieff???? You have to be kidding. That SOB has spent most of
his life outside the country and is just a political opportunist that took
advantage of the mental and leader challenged Liberal Party.
If you think that Harper is bad just wait until Iggy's true colours come to
light. His take-over of the Liberal Party just shows the tip of the iceberg
of his personality.....ugly to say the least.
After the Liberals got into bed with the separatists, he will have to prove
beyond doubt that he will have nothing to do with the Block if he is going
to make much headway as far as being taken seriously. The same holds true
for the NDP "stuffed shirt."
Bogey Man
>> Obama."
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> But we sure do not want another Trudeau type!
What a revolting thought!! You can add Brian Bologna to that too.
Bogey Man
"Roy" <wil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I wouldn't bet anything on that. He has already shown himself to be a
"snake-in-the-grass."
Bogey Man
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With only 6 million dollars in the bank, the Liberals couldn't run for dog
catcher and they are not increasing that amount with any speed. Simply put,
they can't afford an election as it would completely bankrupt them.
Canuck57
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They are not in debt any more? Where did they steal it? LOL.
senecat
"Canuck57" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:pAiil.5031$Ls4....@newsfe25.iad...
> I for one, no way. We are still paying for Turdeau.
No, we're now paying for Stephen Harper. The Liberals took us into major surpluses. The
Conservatives have once again taken us into major deficits.
senecat
"Bogey Man" <sp...@kwic.com> wrote in message news:gmcgj1$in3$1...@news.motzarella.org...
> Relate to Ignatieff???? You have to be kidding. That SOB has spent most of
> his life outside the country and is just a political opportunist that took
> advantage of the mental and leader challenged Liberal Party.
Oh well...... Harper took advantage of a smear campaign against the Liberals, and now take
a look at the situation all Canadians are in.
> If you think that Harper is bad just wait until Iggy's true colours come to
> light. His take-over of the Liberal Party just shows the tip of the iceberg
> of his personality.....ugly to say the least.
Harper IS bad. Bad for the country. Bad for Canadians. Bad for world image. Bad for
U.S. relations. You can only imply that Ignatieff will be worse. We already KNOW that
Harper is the shits.
> After the Liberals got into bed with the separatists, he will have to prove
> beyond doubt that he will have nothing to do with the Block if he is going
> to make much headway as far as being taken seriously. The same holds true
> for the NDP "stuffed shirt."
Tut, tut....... the liberals and NDP never had a chance to 'get into bed with' the Bloc.
Harper was already in the bed with them and there was no room for any more politicians.
Remember the coalition that Harper wanted with the Bloc
back in 2004? Your puffed-up indignance falls flat when Canadians are reminded of just
which politician wanted in bed with the Bloc - four years ago and then he actually climbed
in once he needed supportive Bloc votes once elected.
Your man is either gay or a transvestite.
sdgreen
"senecat" <sen...@home.now> wrote in message
AS pressured by the NDP and Liberals!