Re: Canada's Health Care Is a National Disgrace
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> Doctors in Canada have never been in the 'public' system. They have
> never been 'employees of the state'. They have served the public as
> 'private' individuals who happen to bill the 'state' for their
> services.
Can you name any other nation-wide industry that is not considered 'employed by the
government' (not state) and yet "happens to bill the government" on a regular, daily
basis?
Yoy BET they were employees of the Government - both in accepting how they did business
and how they processed their billings to government.
"E. Barry Bruyea" <terml...@democracy.com> wrote
> There have been 'private' clinics since medicare was first introduced,
> including abortion clinics and other specialized clinics.
Abortion clinics have never been 'private' clinics in the sense you imply. They were
always either funded by the provinces or the costs of services to the women were
reimbursed by the province. They were always NON-profit, even when separate from
hospitals.
Co...@harper.gov
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> Agreed. Have seen this before. Contracts for services go out to the same old companies
> and no one asks if they are competative. Just because someone at the top says so and
> without explanation. Smells for sure.
Any guesses as to WHOSE government has been giving a free ride to the pharmaceutical
companies (those are the same ones that have driven the price of health care over the
cliff in the U.S.) ?
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Pharmaceutical lobby calls shots on food and drug amendments
OTTAWA, June 10, 2008: Rallies are being held across Canada to protest what the federal
government's proposed Food and Drug Act amendments (Bill C-31) will do to health
supplements and vitamin sales. More alarming may be what the legislation proposes
regarding prescription drugs. From both sides, critics say the government has given in to
the pharmaceutical industry and put the health of Canadians at risk. The bill is currently
up for Second Reading.
They say the government has caved in to drug industry pressure for less stringent testing
before new drugs are put on the market. The new system is called "progressive licensing."
"The only reason [the bill] was introduced was to serve the industry," says Mike McBane of
the Canadian Health Coalition. "It was written by and for Big Pharma" - a term frequently
used for the multinational pharmaceutical industry.
The current system of drug approval, which all sides agree needed overhaul, requires prior
evidence of a minimum of safety and efficacy. The new legislation reverses the existing
process by bringing "promising" new drugs onto the market after fairly minimal testing,
and then monitoring their effectiveness. "This practice will expose Canadians to new drugs
before their potential dangers are known."
"C-51 would permit the speedy marketing of expensive new drugs, many of which have no
therapeutic advantage over safer, cheaper drugs, before research on effectiveness and
safety is completed." He warns that even the post-marketing surveillance to be done after
new drugs are marketed will be carried out by the drug manufacturer involved, and thus
will be biased.
> Yes, we have too many layers of mothering government, with dysfunctional senior and
> middle management scared of productive changes. Can't get anything done for the guard
> of anti-change. Many have the mentality, this is the way we did it when I started at
> 20, and now that I am manaager, we will do it the same until I retire in ...
You need to change your tune. The "too many layers of mothering government" are gone -
under the Harper government. Now the pharmaceuticals are monitoring themselves. Makes
you feel nice and warm and safe, doesn't it?
There may not be a place for federal government in such things as neon signs along
highways, but there sure as hell is a place for them in areas that concern our health and
safety. And when big corporations are able to lobby - and buy - our government
representatives to see it THEIR way, it's time for the Canadian people to call a halt. If
not to the practice, then to the governments that pratice it.
Co...@harper.gov
>>always either funded by the provinces or the costs of services to the women were
>>reimbursed by the province. They were always NON-profit, even when separate from
>>hospitals.
>
"E. Barry Bruyea" <terml...@democracy.com> wrote in message
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> Morghenthaler's abortion clinics are 'for profit'.
No they're not. Never have been. You prove your point, and I'll back mine.
E. Barry Bruyea" <terml...@democracy.com> wrote
>Labs in Canada are profit centres.
Only private ones that are not not reimbursed by our governments. Not too many of those.
E. Barry Bruyea" <terml...@democracy.com> again:
> Doctors are 'profit centres' and many of them own
> clinics where other doctors pay them rent or a % of billings. The
> Shouldice Clinic in Toronto has operated for decades as a private
> business, performing hernia operations.
Yeah, but like every other "private" facility, they're on the teat of the public system -
that's the taxpayers of Canada or Ontario..........
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Shouldice Hospital
HOSPITAL & SURGICAL FEES
Canadian Patients (excluding Ontario)
Partial coverage of medical and surgical fees as permitted by participating provincial
plans.
Patients or private insurance providers are responsible for semi private accommodation
fees(all rooms are semi private)
Ontario Patients (with valid OHIP coverage)
a.. All medical and surgical fees are covered by OHIP
b.. Private insurance providers or patients are responsible for semi private
accommodation fees (all rooms are semi private)
E. Barry Bruyea" <terml...@democracy.com> again:
> There are many others and have been for decades. You need to wake up.
And YOU need to wake up as to just where they are getting their fees. It sure as hell
ain't from the patient.
Winston Rutgers
>"E. Barry Bruyea" <terml...@democracy.com> wrote in message
>news:60lim5dfpdkpdvh3s...@4ax.com...
>> Doctors in Canada have never been in the 'public' system. They have
>> never been 'employees of the state'. They have served the public as
>> 'private' individuals who happen to bill the 'state' for their
>> services.
>
>Can you name any other nation-wide industry that is not considered 'employed by the
>government' (not state) and yet "happens to bill the government" on a regular, daily
>basis?
Political consultants - the Tories spent well over 10 million on
consulting fees two years ago, the most in Canadian history.
The private contrators who ran Camp Julien in Afghanistan - don't know
the millions a month spent there.
Ad agencies - they do alot of work for the all sides of government,
millions there.
Doctors are private contractors. They government has no independent
authority over the College of Physicians.
There are many other industries billing the government as private
contractors.