Regular schedule and calendar for Hackdays/evenings

[Chris Mear]

Hi all,

After some discussion at today's hackday, and taking into account the
results on the Doodle polls, we're going to try the following regular
schedule for our hack days and hack evenings:

OCO Hackdays: 1st Saturday of the month
OCO Hack Evenings: 3rd Thursday of the month

These will all be at the London Hackspace, Lab 24 [1], unless otherwise stated.

Thus, our next event will be:

OCO October Hack Evening, Thursday 21 October, starting at 19:30,

followed by:

OCO November Hack Day, Saturday 6 November, starting at 13:00.

We also now have a Google Calendar for you to subscribe to, for
details of these and other OCO events as they come up. In your web
browser at:

http://www.google.com/calendar/hosted/oneclickorgs.com/embed?src=oneclickorgs.com_bnkv9s6lv6ni40t45hpfr4i9a0%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/London

and in iCal format at:

http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/oneclickorgs.com_bnkv9s6lv6ni40t45hpfr4i9a0%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics

Thanks,
Chris

[1] http://wiki.hackspace.org.uk/wiki/Laboratory_24

[David Bovill]

Hi everyone, had a fabulous time at City Camp London (hence not being possible to come to the hackday), where I introduced as many people as possible to OCO. Ed Whyman is a UI guy and keen to help out, Adrian a fellow coder, Natalie McDermot super useability and inclusion facilitator, and Franco Milazzo had some great input on existing legal tools and software.

Turned up semi-last minute, and had the usual problem on not quite feeling that I could represent or speak for OCO - not being a member and all :) So worked up a closely related project under the rubric "Liquid Law" - a project to collect, securely store, archive and organise constitutions and legal documents. We one the pitch competition and have follow up meetings with NESTA and UnLtd, who were present as funders.

In my head I see these as the same project, and I've just been doing some unofficial fund-raising for OCO - however if these things are not sorted about with a bit more transparency everyone is going to get a little confused :)

[Colin Tate]

Hey David, good to hear that you had a good time at CCL - I hadn't realised it was on that particular weekend. (Would have liked to have attended).

I think its a good point that you raise regarding clarifying unofficial fundraising/OCO representation. I think its something we need to clarify, so you can see how such efforts fit with the larger context of how OCO is structured.

While an open-source initiative we are governed by an association (generated through OCO), which handles strategic direction, securing resources, and brokering and entering into relations with other likeminded organisations/likeminded people. As well as that we have another group that works alongside the association members: Contributor. This group is for those who want to help OCO - typically in a developer, designer or a legal role. This includes people like yourself, some legal advisors, and currently various members of the London Hackspace who are helping to build the application alongside us. 

What the above means is that while anybody in the community can help to develop the software, or talk about OCO and present it to others in a general context, only the members by association can represent and speak for OCO in meetings with partners/prospective partners and funders/potential funders, and only these same association members are able to submit funding proposals on behalf of OCO. Contributors can however help the association members form connections to potential funders and help associate members in the drafting of funding proposals.

I hope that the above helps to clear matters up. The work you have done to represent us at various meetings etc is appreciated, but as you can see, it would be better if these opportunities you identify (such as your intent to represent OCO and to pitch to NESTA and UnLtd at CCL) were raised ahead of time, so we can best see how this fits in our overall approach to such bodies.

C.

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[David Bovill]

Thanks for clarifying Colin, and yes I did not realise there was a pitching competition, and I wish we had been able to plan ahead of time!

I've been in a bit of a catch-22 situation for the last few months on this, as I can't really fund raise without having at least a clear communication channel, and really to release my full energies on this I need to be part of the association. My preferred route is that we work on a single project together, of which I am a full member and can put proposals regarding funding and so forth to a vote.

If this is too early, and the existing members feel that they would like to decide on the issue of my membership later, then I think the best way to structure things is if I set up a new but related project that I can put energies into, and we work together around the shared code base and development issues. It's not my preferred solution, but I want to work in this area full time, I'm also looking to do a phd on concept of creating a robust legal language starting next year. As things are structured at the moment, I'm can only turn up to meeting and inject ideas, and I've got too much time and energy on my hands for this to be the best use of my energies.

Can I ask that the issue of my membership is put to an OCO vote? I'm not going to get in anyway upset here - I'll just be clearer what to do and what not to do :) It is also of course possible for the two related projects to merge at any time in the future.

My long term interests in this are the creation of the domain specific legal language, and the integration of liquid democracy, and digital currencies into OCO. This is a big field with lots of ideas to work on, so it should be no problem to break them into related but mutually beneficial areas!

I'd be happy to offer the domain www.liquidlaw.org which is a nice general domain for the project to OCO, and the only thing in my mind is to find a group of happy campers that I can work with as part of a team,

love and kisses

[charlesarmstrong]

david, there's a brief explanation of how the project is structured and how people become members of the association on the "about" page (http://www.oneclickor.gs/about-the-project/) which you may wish to study. in general people need to make a tangible contribution to the project over an extended time before anyone's likely to propose them for membership of the association, so it's probably premature to seek this now.

it's been exciting hearing about your ideas for digital currencies, constitution repositories, computer languages for legal structure and new democratic systems. these are all fascinating fields with some degree of relation to the goals being pursued by one click orgs. but it's important to be clear that these interests are outside the current scope of one click orgs. as a volunteer project where everybody's time is constrained it's crucial we remain focused on a small number of achievable objectives. there's a continuous process of discussion about what those objectives should be which is open to everyone in the contributor community. you took part in the recent planning meeting which concluded that the top priority should be completing the associations platform and getting it launched by the end of the year so users can start to benefit from all the work we've done. that's what we've got to focus on now. anything that distracts us from that objective will weaken the project. the only rider is that we decided to continue preparations for the london hackspace virtualisation and the non-profit corporation platform for p2pu.

my sense is that your best option is to establish a separate project, very much as you suggest, where you're free to pursue the ideas you're most interested in. if you can develop complementary solutions that can be integrated with one click orgs everyone will benefit. meanwhile any contribution you can make that helps one click orgs achieve its goals will be welcome.

it's impressive that you were able to assemble a scratch team and win the pitching competition at citycamp. if you wish to offer the opportunities with unltd and nesta to one click orgs that would be extremely kind. however there'll be no hard feelings if you prefer to use those opportunities to advance a separate project of your own. 

*c

[David Bovill]

Thanks Charles, this will give me some better clarity to be able to input my time and energy :)

On 12 October 2010 20:22, charlesarmstrong <cha...@circus-foundation.org> wrote:

my sense is that your best option is to establish a separate project, very much as you suggest, where you're free to pursue the ideas you're most interested in. if you can develop complementary solutions that can be integrated with one click orgs everyone will benefit. meanwhile any contribution you can make that helps one click orgs achieve its goals will be welcome.

Great - and I most definitely will do my best to make real contributions. I certainly want to continue with helping on the social co-ordination side, at hackdays, and if and when you need help with fund-raising or pitching / presenting the project - I'm fully there to help. I'll also take a close look at the technical side and come back with some proposals for complementary software projects that I can take forwards with a separate team.
 

it's impressive that you were able to assemble a scratch team and win the pitching competition at citycamp. if you wish to offer the opportunities with unltd and nesta to one click orgs that would be extremely kind. however there'll be no hard feelings if you prefer to use those opportunities to advance a separate project of your own.

Great - I'll talk that over with the other team members - I suspect that they will want to take forwards the project independently. What I will do is help clarify this relationship, and post back here for suggestions and comments on how to ensure maximum synergy and minimum friction. I'm also conscious that it will be good to do this with minimum bandwidth!

Technically, a clear area of synergy, is the aim of introducing Liquid Democracy as an additional voting mechanism. Again, I am sensitive to taking up too much bandwidth on sub-projects like this, so I will do my best to keep this "chatter" to an absolute minimum. My two main thoughts on this at them moment, are talking to OCO via web services, and cloning OCO to work in Groovy / Grails. Both have their advantages, and the latter requires nothing to implement on your side. I'll dig into this and write up a proposal for comment?

I understand your approach to managing this, and the agreement to concentrate on getting the associations functionality out there, and agree with it. Personally I don't see the problem of loosening things up, so that sub-projects with their own development teams and resources are allowed to pursue clearly related goals and targets. Of course this can be done just as easily now that we have OCO by setting up another legal entity :)

NB - it is actually an interesting constitutional / strategic issue for social innovation - that is the pros and cons of using sub-projects, and / or separate small light weight legal entities. In a not-so-distant future, and with the addition of more sophisticated inter-organisational legal tools, I think these will come down to the same thing. For now I like the human centred and "organic" approach of people like Ricardo Semler.