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Half-Mad  
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 More options Jun 15 2006, 11:53 am
From: "Half-Mad" <Half....@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:53:14 -0000
Local: Thurs, Jun 15 2006 11:53 am
Subject: Beta ETA?
Does anybody have any idea how long it will be until there is, at
least, a beta version available?  I have a lot of spam collecting, that
I want dealt with.

If it's going to be a matter of weeks, great!  Months, I guess I can
wait a little longer.  If it won't be until sometime next year, then I
may as well unsubscribe from this newsgroup, and check back at some
point in the distant future to see if anything has happened.

If nothing more, I just want something to click on that makes me at
least think I'm doing something to get rid of the spam, and will handle
all of the days messages in one or two clicks.


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Unit1911  
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 More options Jun 15 2006, 12:01 pm
From: "Unit1911" <unit1...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:01:41 -0700
Local: Thurs, Jun 15 2006 12:01 pm
Subject: Re: Beta ETA?
The time frame will be months, it will take some time to finalize the
designs and write the protocol.

Please read previous threads and why you should not be collecting spam
now to submit to the project when it is ready, short answer is spam
more then a few weeks old is to old to be worth persuing.


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Liberty  
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 More options Jun 15 2006, 9:09 pm
From: "Liberty" <eran.libe...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 01:09:10 -0000
Local: Thurs, Jun 15 2006 9:09 pm
Subject: Re: Beta ETA?
more over BS/BF had made such a splash on the net-media pond... that
you can be sure to hear from the same media when the first successor
will rise...

it might be a good thing to create some database of people who are
really only interested in beta testing... thus giving them the peace of
mind that they will get a wake up email when the first Okopipi rays are
about to shine, no need to be invloved in the bla bla till that
moment... (personally I am interested the trip as well as the
destination).
it can be as simple as a thread where anyone who post "Me too"... but I
think a more descrete way is needed, yet not too complacated as to make
it a project on its own...

if the group has some mail or maybe the Okopipi domain has one? we can
give a link to that private / protected email address, anyone who sends
mail to it will be notified when the time comes.

Liberty


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Usul  
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 More options Jun 15 2006, 9:25 pm
From: "Usul" <welcomesp...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:25:01 -0700
Local: Thurs, Jun 15 2006 9:25 pm
Subject: Re: Beta ETA?
And that poor domain may get ddos !

If people only want to be contacted when a beta is released out, they
just have to subscribe to Okopipi-Announce, or the SC may create
another group only dedicated to proclam the various births of Okopipi ?
I feel Google is more protected than a particular domain, but that's
only a feeling...


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jdshewey  
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 More options Jun 15 2006, 11:02 pm
From: "jdshewey" <jdshe...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:02:28 -0000
Local: Thurs, Jun 15 2006 11:02 pm
Subject: Re: Beta ETA?
I say we adopt the enlightenment project's policy of adding 2 weeks to
the release date every time someone asks when it will be reade :)

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Liberty  
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 More options Jun 16 2006, 4:17 am
From: "Liberty" <eran.libe...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:17:51 -0000
Local: Fri, Jun 16 2006 4:17 am
Subject: Re: Beta ETA?

Usul wrote:
> And that poor domain may get ddos !

> If people only want to be contacted when a beta is released out, they
> just have to subscribe to Okopipi-Announce, or the SC may create
> another group only dedicated to proclam the various births of Okopipi ?
> I feel Google is more protected than a particular domain, but that's
> only a feeling...

sounds good (and simple) enough...

Liberty


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Unit1911  
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 More options Jun 16 2006, 10:05 am
From: "Unit1911" <unit1...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:05:51 -0700
Local: Fri, Jun 16 2006 10:05 am
Subject: Re: Beta ETA?

Liberty wrote:
> it might be a good thing to create some database of people who are
> really only interested in beta testing... thus giving them the peace of
> mind that they will get a wake up email when the first Okopipi rays are
> about to shine, no need to be invloved in the bla bla till that
> moment... (personally I am interested the trip as well as the
> destination).

Once again liberty you are posting suggestions that we already have in
place, as has already been pointed out the Okopipi-Announce thread is a
very low traffic thread for just this reason, we also have a section of
the volunteer list on our Wiki for Beta Testers to sign up.

Liberty I hate to be rude, but please spend some time reading back
through the threads and the wiki as most your posts have been repeates
of earlier discussed topics.


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Liberty  
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 More options Jun 18 2006, 11:11 am
From: "Liberty" <eran.libe...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:11:25 -0000
Local: Sun, Jun 18 2006 11:11 am
Subject: Re: Beta ETA?

Unit1911 wrote:
> Liberty I hate to be rude, but ...

if you hate to be rude, dont be.
If you choose to be rude though you hate it dont appologize for it.

Have fun,
Liberty


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Nick Linn  
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 More options Jun 18 2006, 5:43 pm
From: "Nick Linn" <maxi...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:43:52 -0400
Local: Sun, Jun 18 2006 5:43 pm
Subject: Re: [okopipi-discuss] Re: Beta ETA?
Liberty,

I don't know what you standards of rudeness are but being asked to do
some basic research really should be within that realm.  It would save
a lot of time if you did read the wealth of material we do have
available before being to quick to post.  I don't think this is an
unreasonable request, why do you think it is?

Nick

On 6/18/06, Liberty <eran.libe...@gmail.com> wrote:


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secondwheel  
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From: "secondwheel" <secondwh...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:25:59 -0000
Local: Mon, Jun 19 2006 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: Beta ETA?

Half-Mad wrote:
> If nothing more, I just want something to click on that makes me at
> least think I'm doing something to get rid of the spam, and will handle
> all of the days messages in one or two clicks.

I'd suggest trying out KnujOn:  http://www.knujon.com/

They don't do opt-outs, DDoS or anything like that -- just reporting
spam to relevant authorities, working directly with ISPs, etc., and
keeping track of sites they have shut down.  They also archive data for
law enforcement use.

You can sign up for their beta program if you want personalized reports
signup isn't necessary and can forward them your junk without being a
member.

I extended the BlueFrog Thunderbird plugin to enable KnujOn reporting,
plus added some features (like limiting the number of spams to attach
to a single report email):
  http://secondwheel.googlepages.com/knujonthunderbirdextension

They're going through some growing pains (and right now many reported
emails are bouncing.. so I end up saving the bounces and uploading them
via FTP instead) but they are actively working on these issues.

~2w


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secondwheel  
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 More options Jun 19 2006, 1:32 pm
From: "secondwheel" <secondwh...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:32:39 -0000
Local: Mon, Jun 19 2006 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: Beta ETA?
Folks, if there's an occasional message that doesn't add anything to
the discussion, please just ignore it.  If the level of signal-to-noise
starts getting bad, an admin can deal with it off-list.

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Half-Mad  
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 More options Jun 22 2006, 11:57 am
From: "Half-Mad" <Half....@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:57:41 -0000
Local: Thurs, Jun 22 2006 11:57 am
Subject: Re: Beta ETA?

secondwheel wrote:
> Half-Mad wrote:
> > If nothing more, I just want something to click on that makes me at
> > least think I'm doing something to get rid of the spam, and will handle
> > all of the days messages in one or two clicks.

> I'd suggest trying out KnujOn:  http://www.knujon.com/

Thanks.
It's still in beta, still a bit buggy.  But I am trying it out.
It doesn't do much for the source of the problem though.  It really
just reports the bot systems that have been taken over by the spammers,
causing the "innocent" users to get cut off.
At least it's something for the moment though.

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