On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Anne Alt <celticances
...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yep Judy: I have had the "Americanization" of my German
> great-grandfather's surname--so totally understand with regard to different
> spellings.
> There hasn't been any concern about the Williams surname--it is just
> whether he was simply listed as William or William J---the latter he was
> known as all his life, but we all know the Army has THEIR way in those
> instances. The biggest thing to overcome is the many people with that
> name.. the only one that would be even tougher to distinguish would be John
> Smith...
> Also fighting with records that were vague in terms of information
> given--when you have 10 William Williams from one county in a state, it
> makes it very hard to determine if any one of them is mine or not--but I've
> been working on my family's history for many years and traveled to England
> and Wales in my pursuit--so I dont give up all that easily..
> Thanks for your input!!..
> Ray Ann
> --- On *Sat, 7/16/11, Judy Miller <whiterive...@gmail.com>* wrote:
> From: Judy Miller <whiterive...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Wm J Williams-- Hi Jan--thanks for jumping in..
> To: ohio-in-the-civil-war-@googlegroups.com
> Date: Saturday, July 16, 2011, 6:32 PM
> Don't go with "exact" or you will probably get very little info.
> Try different spellings of the names. My ancestry is the Clingaman family.
> However, in Germany or whatever country they had no C in their alphabet so
> it was Klingman, Klingaman, Klingerman, etc. The Americanized version was
> Clingman, Clingeman, etc.
> Try different years as well. Everything online said my great-great
> grandfather had died in 1891 but after going to the cemetery, the gravestone
> read 1853.
> It takes time, patience and experimentation I'm finding out.
> I will do a little looking if you don't mind.
> Good luck,
> Judy
> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Anne Alt <celticances...@yahoo.com<http://us.mc1114.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=celticances...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> Thank you-- I welcome all thoughts, ideas, comments..
> I went on Ancestry and ran the gammet and found the pension info which
> lists Lydia A. Williams as the widow--- when in fact, Wm J Williams outlived
> his wife Lydia--so my guess is that the pension card must be for another
> William Williams with a wife named Lydia who died after him. In addition,
> the pension card said that William Williams was considered an Invalid in
> what looked to be 189_ (hard to read) and I had not heard thru the family
> nor did it give any indication on his lengthy obituary that he had been
> incapacitated.. but then one never knows.
> That pension card stated William Williams (whose wife was Lydia) was with
> 4th Ohio Cavalry--Company K---however when I looked at the actual roster,
> the Wm Williams in the 4th Ohio Cav--Co. K was not born in 1819...
> Therein lies the problem-- or at least my personal problem with Ancestry--
> I can put info into the search but it will give thousands of "hints" that
> don't even come close and I have to wade through page after page seeing
> names that don't even come close to William Williams... what is up with
> that???. My other option is to "exact" everything and then I get nothing..
> it's a frustrating situation.
> I keep plugging away--have sent to NARA for two military files--I guess if
> I hit "paydirt" is was worth it--otherwise I've dumped $50 .. another sad
> situation..
> --- On *Sat, 7/16/11, Jan Myers <trueblue...@gmail.com<http://us.mc1114.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=trueblue...@gmail.com>
> >* wrote:
> From: Jan Myers <trueblue...@gmail.com<http://us.mc1114.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=trueblue...@gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Wm J Williams-- Richard
> To: ohio-in-the-civil-war-@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc1114.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ohio-in-the-civil-war-@...>
> Date: Saturday, July 16, 2011, 3:11 PM
> Anne,
> Please excuse my jumping in here, but I have found something that may help
> you.
> Go to Ancestry.com and find the “Civil War Pension Index: General Index to
> Pension Files 1864-1934
> Hope this helps.
> Jan
> ------------------------------
> *From:* ohio-in-the-civil-war-@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc1114.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ohio-in-the-civil-war-@...>[mailto:
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> *On Behalf Of *Anne Alt
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 16, 2011 12:17 AM
> *To:* ohio-in-the-civil-war-@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc1114.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ohio-in-the-civil-war-@...>
> *Subject:* Re: Wm J Williams-- Richard
> Hi Richard:
> Utilizing the search engine on Ancestry and only using William Williams
> and date of death--and Lydia A (his wife), I was able to find a William
> Williams who was listed in 1892 as having become an invalid... and Lydia A
> Williams filing as his widow--- Sadly although this sounds like a perfect
> "shoe in", as a Private in the 4th Ohio Cavalry, in Company K---it is not.
> I found the roster for Company K and William Williams was age 22 in
> 1864---which does not coincide with 1819 as date of birth--and although the
> name Lydia A Williams was my great great great grandmother, this one listed
> was a widow ----and my Lydia died prior to William... so this is the stuff
> I'm faced with...
> I really thought I had it --- until I realized that my Lydia died in 1902
> and Wm J died in 1909...
> I'm back to the old drawing board, once again...
> --- On *Fri, 7/15/11, Richard Lemmers <gtnps.ranger_1...@yahoo.com<http://us.mc1114.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gtnps.ranger_1...@yahoo.com>
> >* wrote:
> From: Richard Lemmers <gtnps.ranger_1...@yahoo.com<http://us.mc1114.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gtnps.ranger_1...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Officers Resignations over the Emancipation Proclamation
> To: ohio-in-the-civil-war-@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc1114.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ohio-in-the-civil-war-@...>
> Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 8:29 AM
> Anne:
> Currently I don't have an active account with www.footnote.com but if
> someone did they could see a full sized image of the pension record card for
> an individual soldier. I think ancestry.com has images of the cards too.
> Those cards usually have the date of the veterans death on them. Since
> your William J. Williams died on October 15, 1909 (I saw the info on his on
> Find A Grave using the info you had provided, birth 1819, died in Radnor,
> Delaware Co., Ohio) there would be an excellent chance that a deceased Civil
> War veteran from Ohio named William Williams whose date of death was October
> 15, 1909, as shown on his pension card, would be your relative.
> A diligent search could help narrow the field. Several years ago, with
> the help of a cousin in Ohio , we were trying to find which Union veteran
> named John Adams of Ohio was our relative. There were quite a few who we
> weeded out in our search and finally we found him based on his date of birth
> and death which we knew, and it turned out to be Private John Adams, Company
> D, 23rd Ohio, who had two brothers, Orin and Henry, in other regiments and
> to whom I'm related since they were all nephews of one of my great great
> grandmothers, Anna Christina Zimmer Froeliech.
> 15 years ago I had no idea that I had any relatives in the Civil War even
> though I was a long time student of that history. With the help of the
> sources available on the Internet we have found five great great or great
> great great uncles and several first cousins that fought for the Union from
> Ohio and Indiana . We even found distant cousins who were veterans from
> other states. It just takes time and a willingness to search. I also spent
> a number of very long days looking at records in the National Archives.
> Good luck.
> Richard
> --- On *Thu, 7/14/11, Anne Alt <celticances...@yahoo.com<http://us.mc1114.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=celticances...@yahoo.com>
> >* wrote:
> From: Anne Alt <celticances...@yahoo.com<http://us.mc1114.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=celticances...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Officers Resignations over the Emancipation Proclamation
> To: ohio-in-the-civil-war-@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc1114.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ohio-in-the-civil-war-@...>
> Date: Thursday, July 14, 2011, 12:57 PM
> Richard: I find this all fascinating to say the least--
> Since you are so knowledgeable-- I was able to find where my great great
> grandfather William J. Williams and his brother Morris Williams (from
> Radnor, Delaware County, Ohio)--or possibly Troy Twp -- where they had
> signed up for the draft --- I know that Morris did serve -- and had pension,
> etc; however it is William J. Williams that I am in a quandry over. His
> grave has a GAR star on it.. and I always leave flowers on his grave in
> Radnor Cemetery for him, but I can find nowhere where he might have served
> and have also found no record of a pension for him or his wife Lydia Ann
> Williams... I have checked grave info for vets and cannot find anything on
> him. Wm J. Williams was born in 1819 in Wales and nothing in his obituary
> states he served either.. So If you can suggest some other way of
> determining why he would have a GAR star on his grave, I'd appreciate your
> thoughts, ideas and suggestions.
> --- On *Thu, 7/14/11, Richard Lemmers <gtnps.ranger_1...@yahoo.com<http://us.mc1114.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gtnps.ranger_1...@yahoo.com>
> >* wrote:
> From: Richard Lemmers <gtnps.ranger_1...@yahoo.com<http://us.mc1114.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gtnps.ranger_1...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Officers Resignations over the Emancipation Proclamation
> To: ohio-in-the-civil-war-@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc1114.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ohio-in-the-civil-war-@...>
> Date: Thursday, July 14, 2011, 8:18 AM
> Tim:
> You might be thinking about the 128th Illinois Infantry, a regiment
> raised in November 1862 and disbanded by orders from General Grant in April
> 1863. That unit had massive desertions over a five month period because of
> opposition to Lincoln 's Emancipation Proclamation. While the 128th lost 1
> officer and 34 men to disease during its short existence it suffered 700
> desertions. The Colonel, Robert Hundley, and a number of other staff
> officers were dismissed from service. What was left of the regiment was
> transferred over to the 9th Illinois . Very few, only about half a dozen,
> of the field and staff from the 128th Illinois received pensions after the
> war, presumedly because they were not any of those dismissed.
> Its hard for us to realize today that many northerners from Lincoln's
> home state despised the idea of ending slavery, even though it helped end
> the war and was the right thing to do.
> A distant relative in my wife's maternal great great great grandmother's
> family, Nannie E. Smith, wrote a letter to a Mrs. R.J. Sharpe of Kentucky
> from Nannie's home in New Salem, Indiana, on February 7, 1863, in which she
> blasted the Lincoln administration and abolitionists, blaming them for the
> war and the draft which at that point had not as yet claimed any of her
> brothers. She said she hoped that none of them would have to "go fight to
> free the durn Negroes." Nannie Smith was a very distant relative of my
> wife's great great great maternal grandmother Martha Jane Ewalt, whose
> husband served in the Confederate cavalry in Missouri were they owned at
> least one or two slaves. The Ewalt's had a cousin in the Union Army's 25th
> Ohio who was a Abolitionist. It was one of the families split by the war.
> Richard
> --- On *Wed, 7/13/11, Tim <cbj...@gmail.com<http://us.mc1114.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cbj...@gmail.com>
> >* wrote:
> From: Tim <cbj...@gmail.com<http://us.mc1114.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cbj...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Officers Resignations over the Emancipation Proclamation
> To: ohio-in-the-civil-war-@googlegroups.com<http://us.mc1114.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ohio-in-the-civil-war-@...>
> Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 10:28 PM
> In relation to my previous post, that of Capt. Putnam and his resignation
> from the Army in protest of this act, I was wondering something. Did this
> warrant a Dishonorable Discharge and in consequence not eligible for
> Pension? Seems to me I read that somewhere.
