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Subject: [OntarioAccessibility] Budget 2013 as it affects us

http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/budget/ontariobudgets/2013/statement.html

Budget speech in full

No mention of any merger, but for social assistance, the following:

$200 earnings exemption, as I said whoopee doo ...

1% increase to both ODSP and OW rates

A top up for single adults without children on OW

Increase the liquid assets exemption for OW

My comments below in bold

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Ontario is not well served when people face barriers to employment.

Absolutely not, but I don't anticipate jobs are going to fall from the sky for persons w/disabilities.

That’s why Ontario’s Budget would see us reduce barriers to employment for people who receive social assistance.

I want to thank Frances Lankin and Munir Sheikh for their excellent advice and insight.

As a result of their work, the government proposes to create a $200 monthly earnings exemption for people who receive support from Ontario Works and the Ontario Disability Support Program …

Because people deserve to keep more of the money they earn through their hard work.

What about making us the LEAST taxed group of workers instead of taxing and clawing back more of

our earnings than currently clawed back from millionaires? Millionaires would never tolerate this, so

why should we?

We are proposing to increase social assistance rates by one per cent …

Wow! Maybe I can pay another portion of my hydro bill ...

And to improve benefit levels of Ontario Works singles without children with an additional top-up.

And people on ODSP without children are getting enough. Yeah, right.

This is the group of social assistance recipients that experiences the lowest incomes.

Finally, the Budget would increase cash and other liquid-asset limits for people who receive Ontario Works so they have more financial security.

What about the fact some of us were already forced to blow our retirement and end up working until we die?

Mr. Speaker, these changes are far-reaching and fundamental.

Above all, they are fair.

Without this reform, some people risk falling farther and farther behind …

While, at the same time, becoming less likely to seek work, because the current system takes back some of the gains of employment.

Ontario’s Budget would put an end to that.

Then, make work pay. I am still ready to quit. I am willing to lay a bet that anybody that works will stop at $200

a month and not bother working any further, as the clawback after that is way too much. Many millionaires only

pay 15% of their income on income taxes, while most social assistance recipients pay at least 80% clawback (after

all non-deductibles, after CRA takes it share and even more if one is in social housing).

Angela

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Paul

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May 2, 2013, 5:35:19 PM5/2/13

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>
>$200 earnings exemption, as I said whoopee doo ...
>1% increase to both ODSP and OW rates
>A top up for single adults without children on OW
>Increase the liquid assets exemption for OW
>

would they then take away the $100 work incentive, because if they
do, and your income goes down due to hours of work, that won't help
us but all they are doing is leaving us behind by just 'swapping cards'.

So for instance, lets say someone is presently making before ODSP
attacks, we make $150. So presently we would 'take home' $175

But if they let us keep everything up to $200. and right now we are
making before ODSP claw backs $199, then in 4 months time your
employer starts giving you half the hours you used to have, then it'
your problem and you are left to your own devices, and what they
gloated about helping out, really was just sweet talk, if they take
away the $100 incentive.

In other words, it sounds like 'downloading on natures own path' and
you are still no longer ahead.

So will they take away the $100?

abrowne

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May 2, 2013, 6:01:47 PM5/2/13

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First, one should identify which employers will actually go to the

trouble of hiring somebody for only $200 a month. As somebody

who had been an employer for many years, I would rather pay one

of my existing staff an additional $200 a month rather than pay the

added costs of administration and payroll for an extra person just to

give them $200 a month. Until ODSP becomes a form of GAI for

people with disabilities, very few will be inclined to work.

We constantly hear millionaires complain about how higher taxes

decrease incentives. If higher taxes for millionaires bother them,

and they pay only about 15 - 20% of their earnings in taxes, how would

they feel having to pay what amounts to at the end of the day about

80% of their income in taxes? If this is not an incentive for millionaires

and others who love to work and can contribute, why is it an incentive

for people with disabilities that already have enough barriers?

I have heard nothing about removing the WRB of $100 yet. There is

discussion about employment benefits and this topic is under review,

but that doesn't mean it will be scrapped.

Angela

Paul

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May 2, 2013, 6:15:33 PM5/2/13

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At 06:01 PM 5/2/2013, you wrote:
>First, one should identify which employers will actually go to the
>trouble of hiring somebody for only $200 a month. As somebody
>who had been an employer for many years, I would rather pay one
>of my existing staff an additional $200 a month rather than pay the
>added costs of administration and payroll for an extra person just to
>give them $200 a month. Until ODSP becomes a form of GAI for
>people with disabilities, very few will be inclined to work.
>

like me, I am casual labor as I am contracted to a company to do so
much set work a day, so I just get paid to do the work, and that is
the legal loop hole that contracting out to someone. They don't have
to pay you by the hour. I get paid by piece work, whether it takes
15 min. to do it or 2 hours to do it, I get paid the same amount.

So when I said my income goes down, I mean as in the piece work count
is less needed, so does my income.

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