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campaign of voter fraud, when it was actually a case of sour grapes.
If he were such a hero, he would not of stuck the people with his
bill. He would have paid for it himself. He cares only about himself,
not the people he represents.
Bob Dornan is a Washington insider, the kind that is ruining this
country. He is no hero.
He has done nothing for Hispanics, except to feed the xenophobic
anti-immigration sentiment prevalent in his district.
Bob is gone because we voted him OUT. We don't need anymore ignorant
representatives in Washington. That's why he no longer represents the
46th District.
He made the people spend so much money as a private citizen. Imagine
what he would do if he was in power!
A vote for Bob is a step backwards. It is time to move forwards. Good
riidins Robert Dornan.
Victor A. Wagner, Jr.
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bos...@concentric.net
Everyone out there says, " Bob Dornan Has Cost $500,000 In Tax Money." One
thing they forget is that Loretta Brixey Also Did the Same Thing. She just
received I believe close to $200,000 dollars back. I am sure that will go
right to her pocket. Did Bob Dornan waist tax payers money with this hearing?
The answer is no. The fact is the investigation brought up many things such
as:
1. The voter fraud hearing provided proof that hundreds of illegal voter's
voted.
2. There investigation led to 250,000 voters being deleted on the basis of
being deceased, out of the district, illegally registered, etc.. etc..
3. The investigation also led to 7,907 voters being removed because there
names appeared twice on the voter roles.
4. The Commitee To Elect Loretta Sanchez, Hermandad, etc.. etc.. All ignored
federal subpoenas. Did they have something to hide?
5. Here Is 10 More Facts On Voter Fraud In The 46th: 1. Garden Grove voters
did not receive the U.S. Representative they wanted. Bob Dornan won Garden
Grove by 3,261 votes! He carried 56 out of 76 precincts (1 tied)!
2. Anaheim voters gave Bob Dornan a victory by 1,360 votes. Dornan won that
victory despite Mayor Tom Daly's close mentoring of Sanchez - Brixey and
despite her transparent complaining that she had dropped her married name to
alert Anaheim school friends from 20 years ago. Hello, she was raised and
schooled outside of the district - in the northern part of the city. Dornan
won Anaheim by carrying 43 out of 69 precincts!
3. Bob Dornan won all the unincorporated areas and every 46th District
precinct in Tustin, Orange, Fountain Valley, Westminster, and Irvine!
4. Bob Dornan won 26 precincts in Santa Ana, but, mainly because of a 600%
increase in walk in absentee ballots turned in late on election afternoon and
evening in downtown Santa Ana, Bob lost by 5 to 1, 6 to 1, and 7 to 1 margins
in 60 precincts. (Our Lady of the Pillar precincts clerks violated election
law and dumped at the Registrar of Voters main office an open, non-sorted
ballot box at 8:30 PM, Nov. 5. Bob lost that precinct 8 to 1.)
5. If precincts were states, then Bob won the Electoral College vote. 133
Precincts for Dornan, 1 tie (which went for Dornan in recount), 4 no votes at
all, and 105 precincts for Ms. Sanchez-Brixey. (= 239 voting precincts)
6. Bob also won " the mail-in" absentee vote, both those mail-ins counted by
election night and those delivered by the Postal Service on Monday and
election Tuesday but not counted until a week after the election (very few
states allow this unnecessary delay). Don't forget that Bob Dornan won and
declared victory on election night by 233 votes! Then 8 days later came the
count of hundreds of feloniously delivered walk-ins and the motor voter
"honor" ballots delivered haphazardly throughout the 46th District.
Did you know any of these facts or are you musing to yourself like a humble
Johnny Carson, "I did know that?" Try these facts:
7. Dornan ran 4,205 votes ahead of Bob Dole who ran 8,555 votes behind
Clinton! (Even while losing in 32 states in 1992 President Bush carried this
identical boundaried 46th!) Dole's poor showing was a massive impediment for
Dornan to overcome while simultaneously overcoming voter fraud!…in a 10%
spread majority Democrat registration district!
8. Of the 23 Sanchez-Brixey "voter contact mail pieces" 21 were negative! Many
were blatant, deliberate, lying attacks such as:
...Dornan "claims to be pro-life. However he supports abortion for his own
family." What an insult to one of the three top pro-life leaders in Congress
since 1977! "Dornan lives in a 400 room Austrian place in Virginia." (Sounds
insane but it worked! Under a picture of Emperor Franz-Josel's 1890 palace
picture were the words "Virginia Property Records" and "the truth vs.
Dornan". Dornan is "a coward" (across his face) who "dodged the draft during
the Korean War" Don, Bob, and Dick Dornan joined the USAF two years apart,
all three at 19 years of age. Bob, a private pilot since 16 years of age,
enlisted in October 1952 (with 6 and a half years of high school and college
ROTC experience) and served for 22 and a half years, (6 of that on active
duty), in the late '50s as an F-86 Sabrejet and F-100 Supersonic Sabrejet
fighter pilot. Now Consider the ballot competition.
9. Sanchez got 47 1/2% of the vote and Bob Dornan got 979 less votes, but the
two candidates to the right of the Republican Party garnered 5,566 votes! The
Libertarian (who is pro-life) received 2,328 votes! The Reform Party (Perot)
candidate (for whom Sanchez mailed to the whole district his only voter
contact mailer that identified him as "the real" Operation Rescue, pro-life
candidate) received 3238 votes! Assemblyman Morrissey, who won by a razor
thin 89 votes, admitted that with a Reformer or a Libertarian candidate, let
alone both, on his ballot, he "would have been history"
10. Sanchez says she won a solid victory (47 1/2%), not because she ran a
targeted "Hispanic surname" absentee walk-in operation, but because the 46th:
Is a pro-abortion district
An anti Prop. 209 district
Still angry over 1994's Prop. 187
The truth is the 46th District:
Is a pro-life district! The pro-life candidates combined garnered 51 1/2% of
the vote.
Is an anti-affirmative action, anti-quota district! Prop. 209 won by 5,982
votes.
Is against welfare for illegal aliens! Prop. 187 won by a stunning 26,002
votes.
In a late November poll, before the Mexican Brotherhood (Hermandad Mexicana)
alleged felony revelations, Orange Countians believed Sanchez won as a result
of VOTER FRAUD. WELL, SHE DID!
In other news Loretta Brixey won't debate Bob Dornan??? Well we know she
isn't qualified for the job, and that voter fraud in fact happened in the
46th, what else does she have to hide??
Make sure you get the fact's on Bob Dornan at:
http://www.angelfire.com/il/Dornan/
Thanks,
Jared Callanan
Dornan '98
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Victor A. Wagner, Jr.
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> 9. Sanchez got 47 1/2% of the vote and Bob Dornan got 979 less votes, but
the
> two candidates to the right of the Republican Party garnered 5,566 votes!
The
> Libertarian (who is pro-life) received 2,328 votes!
RIGHT OF DORNAN??? Your assertion that Tom Reimer (and he's running again
this time is to the RIGHT of Bob Dornan is laughable if not libelous.
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John E. Bredehoft
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>
>
> Everyone out there says, " Bob Dornan Has Cost $500,000 In Tax Money." One
>thing they forget is that Loretta Brixey Also Did the Same Thing. She just
>received I believe close to $200,000 dollars back.
Sounds like the Democrats are getting better at budget control. Or Dornan
had a 150% cost overrun.
By the way, you forget to report the real scandal of this campaign. Dornan's
real name is not "Bob." He's just using the name "Bob" for political
purposes, to seem like a friendly kind of guy. It's time to expose the
truth.
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John E. Bredehoft
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>the
>> two candidates to the right of the Republican Party garnered 5,566 votes!
>The
>> Libertarian (who is pro-life) received 2,328 votes!
>
>this time is to the RIGHT of Bob Dornan is laughable if not libelous.
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Ah, but if all abortions were performed by government doctors, the
Libertarians *would* be pro-life... :)
You'd think that if the Libertarians could succeed anywhere in the
populated portions of the U.S., it would be Orange County. But it
looks like O.C. voters like big government too much...
Victor A. Wagner, Jr.
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John E. Bredehoft wrote:
>
>
> Ah, but if all abortions were performed by government doctors, the
> Libertarians *would* be pro-life... :)
I'm puzzled by this comment. This is the national party's plank on
abortion:
http://www.lp.org/platform/wraa.html
>
> You'd think that if the Libertarians could succeed anywhere in the
> populated portions of the U.S., it would be Orange County. But it
> looks like O.C. voters like big government too much...
Yup, sigh, everyone seems to be deluded into thinking that the government
will only stop THEM from doing 'bad things' without realizing that 'bad
things' seems to change depending on who you are.
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> http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/inlandempireca
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Mark Hartman
<va...@home.com> wrote:
>John E. Bredehoft wrote:
>>
>> Ah, but if all abortions were performed by government doctors, the
>> Libertarians *would* be pro-life... :)
>
>I'm puzzled by this comment. This is the national party's plank on
>abortion:
>http://www.lp.org/platform/wraa.html
Having read it, it is obvious that the Libertarian Party is, indeed,
pro-abortion. I, for one, don't see how to reconcile that position
with a philosophy that holds that one of the few purposes of a system
of government is to protect the rights of the individual. Since they
do not seem to recognize individuals who don't happen to have been
born yet, one wonders what other restrictions they will place on the
definition of "person." The only real difference between a newborn
infant and a just-shy-of-term fetus is age and condition of dependency;
are these really valid considerations when considering who is an
individual with rights?
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> Mark, I think your right! You are 100% right! In fact, I am going to start a
> movement today to ban the practice of masterbation in men for they are killing the
> seeds! Why stop with the impregnation, or the point of the first split of the
> cromosonal pairs! Why we must make sure that not one single sperm that has the
> potential to be a child is spilled uselessly on the ground! Mark, I nominate you
> for president of the KYSOF (Killing Your Sperm Offends Females) and demand that
> you lead all of us hollier than thou bigots and assholes on a crusade to save men
> from wasting the seed of life that the good lord has given us.
>
> [for the humor impared, the above constitues a form of humor called sarcasm. It is
> used to make a point. In this case the point is that you can keep on going back
> and come up with a good reson to invade a persons rights in the name of the unborn
> pretty damn far. Now I wouldn't expect Mark or the thumpers to go after men who
> masterbate, but I see no reason why they aren't out there attempting to ban IUD's
> and "the pill" as both of these forms of birth control actually cause a fertalized
> egg to be ejected from the host -- a process akin to aborting a fetus... in fact,
> exactly like aborting a fetus with say, a morning after pill (something the
> thumpers have been fighting against for some time). ]
This is neither sarcasm or logic, it's a feeble attempt to confuse the
issue by trying to link immoral acts of self-gratification (whether it
be through masterbation or the use of contraceptives) to the recognition
of when life begins. When those arguing the pro-life position begin to
infuse objective scientific data to back up their assertions (i.e. that
life begins at conception and is therefore worthy of all legal
protection), you can always count on pro-abortionists to start resorting
to inane and specious anecdotes to avoid any further serious discussion
of an issue they know they cannot win on any front.
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J.M. Ivler
> definition of "person." The only real difference between a newborn
> infant and a just-shy-of-term fetus is age and condition of dependency;
> are these really valid considerations when considering who is an
> individual with rights?
Mark, I think your right! You are 100% right! In fact, I am going to start a
Victor A. Wagner, Jr.
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Mark Hartman wrote:
>
> In article <35F42FC7...@home.com>, "Victor A. Wagner, Jr."
> <va...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >John E. Bredehoft wrote:
> >>
> >> Ah, but if all abortions were performed by government doctors, the
> >> Libertarians *would* be pro-life... :)
> >
> >I'm puzzled by this comment. This is the national party's plank on
> >abortion:
> >http://www.lp.org/platform/wraa.html
>
> Having read it, it is obvious that the Libertarian Party is, indeed,
> pro-abortion.
In my opinion, you are looking at this issue through heavily colo(u)red
glasses. Simply because one does not wish to throw people in jail for some
behavior does NOT mean we advocate it ("pro-aboriton").
> I, for one, don't see how to reconcile that position
> with a philosophy that holds that one of the few purposes of a system
> of government is to protect the rights of the individual. Since they
> do not seem to recognize individuals who don't happen to have been
> born yet, one wonders what other restrictions they will place on the
> definition of "person."
And it is your assertion that "person"hood starts when?
> The only real difference between a newborn
> infant and a just-shy-of-term fetus is age and condition of dependency;
> are these really valid considerations when considering who is an
> individual with rights?
You've certainly hit the nail on the head there, and it's where we spent
most of our discussion in the national platform committee this year (I was
California's representative to the national platform committee).
BTW, I'd be intersted in hearing/seeing your opinion on what a 'proper'
role of government is here INCLUDING what penalties you wish to impose on
all those involved with an abortion.
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Secretary, Orange County Libertarian Party Central Committee
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Roger Ho wrote:
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> This is neither sarcasm or logic, it's a feeble attempt to confuse the
> issue by trying to link immoral acts of self-gratification (whether it
^^^^^^^^^^^^
PUHLEESE, surely you don't want to base laws on such a specious (and
indefensible) position.
> be through masterbation or the use of contraceptives) to the recognition
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Can't even spell it and you want to call it immoral <double sigh>.
> of when life begins.
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>>
>>
>> Ah, but if all abortions were performed by government doctors, the
>> Libertarians *would* be pro-life... :)
>
>I'm puzzled by this comment.
Think about it... :)
John E. Bredehoft
Mark Hartman <m...@harthaven.com> wrote:
>In article <35F42FC7...@home.com>, "Victor A. Wagner, Jr."
><va...@home.com> wrote:
>
>>John E. Bredehoft wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah, but if all abortions were performed by government doctors, the
>>> Libertarians *would* be pro-life... :)
>>
>>abortion:
>>http://www.lp.org/platform/wraa.html
>
>Having read it, it is obvious that the Libertarian Party is, indeed,
>with a philosophy that holds that one of the few purposes of a system
>of government is to protect the rights of the individual. Since they
>do not seem to recognize individuals who don't happen to have been
>born yet, one wonders what other restrictions they will place on the
>infant and a just-shy-of-term fetus is age and condition of dependency;
>are these really valid considerations when considering who is an
>individual with rights?
individual" does not appear in the Constitution... :)
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Victor A. Wagner, Jr.
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John E. Bredehoft wrote:
>
> A Libertarian would probably ironically argue that "rights of the
> individual" does not appear in the Constitution... :)
>
Why "suppose" when you can ask?
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