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This includes having been hijacked at gunpoint in my driveway,having our
domestic worker threatened at knifepoint in our kitchen - with my then 4
year old sleeping in his room and about 5 burglaries.
The grounds are totally unsecured and all these incidents occurred as a
result of the criminals being able to jump into our property from the school
field.
I have gone from the Department of Public Works to the Western Cape Dept. of
Education and back again and again ad nauseum.
I have been promised that the situation will be remedied - all I needed was
for the bushes to be cleared and a new fence put up - but with no actuall
outcome.
As for the Tennis Club, a project that will benefit 'several tennis players'
at a cost to Obsid of R12600(a figure that is sure to escalate), the tennis
players can personally pay for the project if they so wish.
As for the obvious response from the tennis lobby that everyone and their
families will now start playing tennis, let's be practical and not be fooled
by the self serving interests of a few people.
Having three children at school - ages 15, 13 and 7, who spend between 30
minutes(Grade2) to between 2-3 hours(Grade 10) doing their homework
everyday,having a tennis club with its inherent noise factor right next
door(20 metres) to their rooms is going to be incredibly disruptive.
For those of my neighbours who have babies and very young children, best of
luck trying to get them to go to sleep.
Then again,I'm sure that elitist concerns such as children's sleeping needs
can be brushed aside in the interest of the recreation time of a select few.
As for the vegetable garden, please elaborate.
Who is going to control the access to the property for this project and how
will the security of an already poorly secured area be impacted on!
A rational reply would be appreciated
Louis Hoffman
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From: obsid...@googlegroups.com [mailto:obsid...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of brian amery
Sent: 15 February 2010 2:41 PM
To: Observatory Improvement District - Chat
Subject: [obsid] Strubens Road Tennis Courts
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Firstly, as list moderator I'd like to encourage everyone to keep the
conversation calm and collected. This is not the place for name
calling, even if done indirectly. "If you want your voice to be heard
use nice words".
My opinion on the matter is simple. If the area is derelict then *any*
work done to improve its condition and provide a space for use by the
public will improve security and aesthetics. The "soft" benefit of
having a public tennis court should be viewed as a by-product.
As Julia intimated, I'm not sure what Melanie's alternative to having
a tennis court near her house is? Perhaps a housing complex with 42sqm
flats?
Realistically this debate has two parts:
1. Should there be a tennis court where there currently is a tennis
court? (I think you can guess my answer to this one)
2. Should the Obsid pay to fix up the tennis court?
Option 2 is the only thing we should really be debating.
The Obsid has been making its way around Obs painting and repairing
areas that were previously left to decay. This has made a big
difference to those areas and countless studies have found over and
over again that an area that is well looked after has less crime.
The Obsid has a very detailed business plan which is summarised as
"Smarter, Cleaner, Safer".
Fixing up the tennis courts seems to tick all three.
regards,
j.
ps. I have no interest in playing tennis regardless of how much my fat
ass would benefit from it, but I am sure that a lot of people would
enjoy having the opportunity.
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www.arbitraryuser.com
And, a social tennis club!
I was actually wondering about these courts driving past this morning.
Who do they belong to?
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Just what the Community needs!
Maybe we can sort out some flood lights too ;-)
Looking forward to the developments.
On Feb 16, 12:26 pm, Sonja ter Horst <sonja.terho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yesterday two local painters (obviously with permission of the owners)
> painted over the unsightly graffiti and subsequent tags on the Milton
> road wall of the Student digs on the corner of Milton and Arnold Road.
> A bright, clean, lovely coat of paint. What a pleasure...
> The graffiti and tags on this particular location have invited other
> taggers to mark adjoining residences walls.
> Of late a ridiculous scribble in luminous green paint which now adorns
> the recently painted walls of the Milton Mews, into the corner on the
> guerilla garden of the wall between Mews and the Dog Park.
>
> Is it possible for the Municipality to repair the branch bent fence on
> Arnold road just off Gordon on the dogpark? Sometime ago a storm
> broke off a large branch which fell on the fence, bending it
> downwards. We've spotted vagrants gaining access to sleep in the
> dogpark at night - they now climb over the fence at this point.
>
> OBSID is doing great things. We appreciate and support this.
>
> >>> Cc: "'Ann and Cuan Westoe 4'" <ubhobh...@iafrica.com>; "'Billy Nr
> >>> 63'"
> >>> <bil...@telkomsa.net>; "'Candice'" <candicehambr...@hotmail.com>;
> >>> "'Dallas'"
> >>> <dal...@gloo.co.za>; "'Hannah'" <hcaschu...@gmail.com>; "'Ian Mc
> >>> Walter
> >>> (H)'" <imcwal...@mweb.co.za>; "'Janet Cronje Nr 96'"
> >>> <janetcro...@gmail.com>; "'Keith and Ansa'" <k...@telkomsa.net>;
> >>> "'laura'"
> >>> <la...@scc.org.za>; "'Nick and Chris'" <farm...@polka.co.za>;
> >>> "'Sally
> >>> Peisl'" <sallype...@gmail.com>; "'Strubens 84'"
> >>> <debo...@cecileandboyd.co.za>; "'Wendy Private'"
> >>> <serfont...@discoverymail.co.za>
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The field – There are issues of security with copies of keys being
handed to people at random so that there is no access control at all,
and a security issue for residents.
The field is not owned by the school but by
CPUT and it is improper use of public funds to apply them to repairs
of a site which is not owned or of which there is no secure agreement
of tenure. (Does OBSID have auditors?)
The proposal to use public funds to provide a facility for
the use of a few individuals is also improper. If people wish to play
tennis they may join a club and pay for the facilities as the rest of
us do for our sport or social activities.
Vegetable gardening??? We all know that this is a good thing but
which community is it that they want to let loose on this and whose
will the vegetables be? Until there has been a survey of available
facilities and resources the proposal is not justified. Most
Observatory residents have some garden space which they may use for
their own vegetables otherwise we could link with Valkenberg farm and
try to set up a system of allotments which people might hire.
OBSID – This proposal betrays a serious want of planning and
understanding of the limits of the scheme which could lead to its
downfall. It is clear that crime has not been reduced by the presence
of the local patrols and we must ask if we want to displace crime to
neighbouring areas or undertake a strategic considered response to
local incidents of crime.
The issue of these tennis courts needs to be considered on the basis
of a generally accepted plan and process. You cannot make decisions
on the basis of consulting the 20 houses closest to the field or the
subway or whatever. Observatory is part of the city and the country
and is bound by the same process and law as everybody else. We must
also be aware of the practice of other similar structures – eg Cape
Town, Claremont, all have improvement districts and the experience of
their skilled professional staff may well be useful.
There are plenty of unattractive sites in Observatory and OBSID needs
to explain why they have chosen this one to attend to, apart from the
prospect of personal gain.
The process is opaque: Who decides on the responses which we are
invited to submit? Perhaps the same people who made the proposal in
the first place and some of whom may play tennis.
This whole thing has taken on the character of suburban land invasion
and if it were initiated by black people there would be a completely
different response. Whatever makes people think that they can simply
take over a piece of land which does not belong to them?
Lets look at each of these issues one by one.
On 16 February 2010 19:38, H Schultz <hcasc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The field – There are issues of security with copies of keys being
> handed to people at random so that there is no access control at all,
> and a security issue for residents.
Currently there is, by Louis' own statement, poor security in the
area. I'm not sure what the proposal is with regards to padlocks etc,
but as has been mentioned before, padlocks on the dog/children's parks
work well. There is no "random" handing out of keys. Suggesting so is
insulting to the people who voluntaryly take care of these public
spaces.
> The field is not owned by the school but by
> CPUT and it is improper use of public funds to apply them to repairs
> of a site which is not owned or of which there is no secure agreement
> of tenure. (Does OBSID have auditors?)
Yes, the Obsid has auditors. The Obsid has a mandate to improve
Observatory by making it "Smarter, Cleaner, Safer". There is nothing
improper about fixing up a space for public use, regardless of who
owns the property. In the UK there are various organisations that set
up vegetable gardens for residents on privately owned property which
they have been given permission to use. Most of this land belongs to
Airports, churches etc.
> The proposal to use public funds to provide a facility for
> the use of a few individuals is also improper. If people wish to play
> tennis they may join a club and pay for the facilities as the rest of
> us do for our sport or social activities.
Absolute nonsense. Fixing up public toilets is just as "elitist"...
This is a public space for members of the public to use if they wish.
> Vegetable gardening??? We all know that this is a good thing but
> which community is it that they want to let loose on this and whose
> will the vegetables be?
Why does everything have to be so negative and melodramatic? "let
loose"? Are you suggesting that those hooligan veggie gardeners might
cause a public disturbance? The vegetables will be used (as mentioned
in the original email) to feed school kids and people in homeless
shelters.
> Until there has been a survey of available
> facilities and resources the proposal is not justified. Most
> Observatory residents have some garden space which they may use for
> their own vegetables otherwise we could link with Valkenberg farm and
> try to set up a system of allotments which people might hire.
So you're not against allotments on private land? Just not near near
the tennis court ???
> OBSID – This proposal betrays a serious want of planning and
> understanding of the limits of the scheme which could lead to its
> downfall. It is clear that crime has not been reduced by the presence
> of the local patrols and we must ask if we want to displace crime to
> neighbouring areas or undertake a strategic considered response to
> local incidents of crime.
Once again, you're speaking without any attempt to gather information.
There are very candid debates about the merits of gardening, art,
public space improvement etc on a monthly basis in the Obsid directors
meetings and weekly sub-committee meeetings... I will remind you that
these are individuals who are volunteers, giving up their time and
energy to try and improve the community. There are no vested
interests... but they do have families at home that they would rather
spend their time with... however, out of a sense of civic duty they
work to improve _your_ community.
> The issue of these tennis courts needs to be considered on the basis
> of a generally accepted plan and process. You cannot make decisions
> on the basis of consulting the 20 houses closest to the field or the
> subway or whatever. Observatory is part of the city and the country
> and is bound by the same process and law as everybody else.
You are very right, there are laws and procedures in place. The Obsid
works very much within the ambit of those laws and procedures. As
elected representatives they have, as mentioned before, been mandated
by the community to improve Observatory. The additional consultation
with the community is done in good faith.
> We must
> also be aware of the practice of other similar structures – eg Cape
> Town, Claremont, all have improvement districts and the experience of
> their skilled professional staff may well be useful.
Yes, which is why we consult with them. Again, if you'd been to any of
the meetings, or attempted to get involved in any constructive manner
you would be aware of this.
> There are plenty of unattractive sites in Observatory and OBSID needs
> to explain why they have chosen this one to attend to, apart from the
> prospect of personal gain.
If you opened your eyes you will notice that there are lots of sites
that are receiving attention on a daily basis. The tennis court issue
was raised publicly because it had the potential to be viewed as a
non-essential. I'm very happy to see that aside from two individuals,
yourself included, the overwhelming consensus is that the work should
go ahead. Again, the consensus is not from people with any vested
interests.
> The process is opaque: Who decides on the responses which we are
> invited to submit? Perhaps the same people who made the proposal in
> the first place and some of whom may play tennis.
You're not getting the "elected representatives" thing are you?
> This whole thing has taken on the character of suburban land invasion
> and if it were initiated by black people there would be a completely
> different response. Whatever makes people think that they can simply
> take over a piece of land which does not belong to them?
Obsid has, to my understanding, been asked by the land owners (or
lease holders) to upgrade the courts and make them available to be
used by members of the public. By resorting to claims of land invasion
and race you have undermined your argument and made me regret wasting
my time replying to it.
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The important considerations for the tennis club include:
- fixing a current eye sore,
- securing it will hopefully help crime,
- anyone can join if they pay membership fees (so no-one is excluded)
and the fees can be put to maintaining the tennis cours,
- noise levels will obviously fall under standard rules (so that
should not be an issue),
- there is the social aspect will help with crime and good community
spirit.
ITO the veg garden, it would be good to look at other models. I know
Janet who lives near the tennis courts may be able to offer some solid
input - she has been involved in areas of permaculture, and organic
vegetable gardens. There are a lot of people in Obs that have a lot
of good knowledge in that.
There is also a large body of international evidence, and growing local
evidence to show that crime comes down when people are out and about on the
streets and in public open space.
An unused tennis court will continue to be used as a thoroughfare and as a
potential site for antisocial behaviour and crime. It would be far better if
it were used by the community. If the R12 000 budget is the issue (which
seemed not a bad price to me but maybe is debateable) then we could
potentially organise a working bee where volunteers all pile in and do some
manual labour for a day or so. We use this approach at the school our kids
attend and find that it is a lot of fun, builds community spirit, provides
an opportunity for people to get to know one another and has a concrete end
result.
Thanks to the convenors of this group for providing a forum to debate the
issues.
Katharine McKenzie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Endersby" <arbitr...@gmail.com>
To: <obsid...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [obsid] Re: Strubens Road Tennis Courts
Hi
Lets look at each of these issues one by one.
On 16 February 2010 19:38, H Schultz <hcasc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The field � There are issues of security with copies of keys being
> OBSID � This proposal betrays a serious want of planning and
> We must
> also be aware of the practice of other similar structures � eg Cape
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I agree that it would be a great community asset to have functional
tennis courts -not only would it bring people out of their houses and
into shared public space, it would also increase the surveillance
generally of the area, as mentioned by others. Louis and other
neighbouring properties to the courts have some valid concerns (that
could quite easily be addressed in the proper forum) and that do need
to be addressed if this proposal goes ahead.
It would be a shame to leave the courts to continue rotting away
because we cannot find an agreed upon and sensible way forward ...and
it seems to me that this is an area (facilitation and discussion and
resolution of pertinent issues) that OBSID could either enhance (if it
already exists?) or initiate. If I am not mistaken the issue of
closing the subways seems also to gotten stuck in the stage of email/
forum debate. I am not aware of the public meetings that are held by
OBSID , but it seems like these are the issues need to be discussed in
a facilitated non-electronic forum (as in realtime person to person),
and not only via email discussion where tempers and emotions so easily
(and unecessarily) run high and only those who have access to internet
can make comment!
Janet
On Feb 17, 1:01 pm, "Katharine McKenzie" <k...@string.co.za> wrote:
> I agree with Jonathan's sentiments.
>
> There is also a large body of international evidence, and growing local
> evidence to show that crime comes down when people are out and about on the
> streets and in public open space.
>
> An unused tennis court will continue to be used as a thoroughfare and as a
> potential site for antisocial behaviour and crime. It would be far better if
> it were used by the community. If the R12 000 budget is the issue (which
> seemed not a bad price to me but maybe is debateable) then we could
> potentially organise a working bee where volunteers all pile in and do some
> manual labour for a day or so. We use this approach at the school our kids
> attend and find that it is a lot of fun, builds community spirit, provides
> an opportunity for people to get to know one another and has a concrete end
> result.
>
> Thanks to the convenors of this group for providing a forum to debate the
> issues.
>
> Katharine McKenzie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jonathan Endersby" <arbitraryu...@gmail.com>
> To: <obsid...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [obsid] Re: Strubens Road Tennis Courts
>
> Hi
>
> Lets look at each of these issues one by one.
>
> On 16 February 2010 19:38, H Schultz <hcaschu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The field There are issues of security with copies of keys being
> > OBSID This proposal betrays a serious want of planning and
> > also be aware of the practice of other similar structures eg Cape
Hi
Lets look at each of these issues one by one.
On 16 February 2010 19:38, H Schultz <hcasc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The field � There are issues of security with copies of keys being
> OBSID � This proposal betrays a serious want of planning and
> We must
> also be aware of the practice of other similar structures � eg Cape
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Sent: 17 February 2010 9:50 PM
To: br...@obsid.org.za
Cc: 'Billy Nr 63'; 'Candice'; 'Dallas'; 'Hannah'; 'Ian Mc Walter (H)';
'Janet Cronje Nr 96'; 'Keith and Ansa'; 'laura'; 'Nick and Chris'; 'Sally
Peisl'; 'Strubens 84'; 'Wendy Private'; e...@global.co.za
Subject: Tennis Courts
This is in reponse to the letter received in our post box from Brian at
Obsid.
cuan dugmore
I am all for an upgrade of the courts - and it's use. It is very sad
to see sporting facilities lie in ruins. I do play tennis regularly
and have to go up to UCT or join a club that is not in my suburb. I
would be willing to pay membership fees.
Thanks
Rod
On Feb 17, 8:53 am, Sean Walpole <walpole.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Everyone
>
> We would definitely like to help with the community garden idea - we already
> help out at The Observatory School and we sponsor a garden in Nyanga.
>
> Perhaps we can put our heads together with the school and see what we can do
> ?
>
> SEAN WALPOLE
> Program Director
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> 1st Floor, Building 20
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> Obsid is really looking forward to "meddling with the tennis courts"
> in order to bring a community asset back into use at a very low cost.
> Our supporters far outweigh our opponents.
> Brian Amery
>
This is great. Also for your information the land falls into the TRUP
area (Two Rivers Urban Park) and therefore please keep TRUP informed
of progress. This should be trivial because Obsid ecology committee
member Edwin Angless sits on the TRUP committee as well.
While not speaking directly for TRUP, the members of the committee
were quite in agreement of making the most use of the TRUP area and
the tennis courts will be seen as an asset to the area.
Trevor Hughes
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