Atlas Public Beta Nov. 15

[Francisco Tolmasky]

In case you weren't able to make it to FOWA, we are releasing the
public beta of Atlas on Nov. 15 for $20. I'm still in London and on a
crazy schedule, but when I get back I can provide more details.

[Ryan Dary]

My credit card is out and waiting (figuratively, of course.) That's
exciting!

- Ryan

[Bruno Ronchetti]

Great news.

I really love Cappuccino and Atlas will certainly be as impressive.
So, sign me up.

Cheers. Bruno.

[angel imaz]

Another one here!

[Francis]

If we start a project with interface builder, will it be possible to
use Atlas to continue our works?

Thanks,

Francis

[Elias]

I will definitely give it a try!

[Nathaniel Martin]

When you have time to answer, I'd be very curious about what value Atlas adds over using IB + nib2cib.

Is it mainly aimed at windows users that can't use IB, or do you think it will be the tool to use on Mac as well?

I'm definitely looking forward to trying it though!

-Nate

[RCLConcepts]

The immediate value is that all the aristo UI elements are used
instead of Aqua ones, therefore the layout appears exactly as it does
in Atlas, unlike IB where you have to keep adjusting it do to the
differences in the UI.

You'll never have to worry about which controls are not supported as
atlas is built for Capp.

Also cross platform use is really nice too. :)

[Jérôme Denanot]

Thanks Francisco for the info (I'm waiting for the video at ustream). Do you have any details to share about new features that you unveiled, screenshots, etc. ?

Is the licence a per user licence ? Ross answered quickly about the full release being priced higher than the beta, do you have any hint about the price range ? Finally I suppose it will be competitive compared with other solutions (look at Ext JS license for example is 329$ per developer, is a one time fee).

The only pb. is that most clients were used to use completely free frameworks and tools, and they generally are reluctant to pay, even if it is a bargain like this one. On the other hand I fully understand your business model and find it right (I originally suggested you could release a free limited edition, and a full featured - not free - version).

What about the extension mechanism alla Eclipse plugins that was suggested ?

Thanks and congrats !

Jerome

2009/10/2 RCLConcepts <rclco...@gmail.com>

[Luke]

Congrats to the 280 North guys. Looks like good progress is being
made with Atlas. Good luck with that final 'push' phase. I guess
most of us know what that's like.

Like many others here, I'm very impressed with Cappuccino. I'm amazed
at how much there is, and from what I can gather how quickly this has
all been assembled.
There's clearly still a way to go on both features and stability
front, but modulo a collection of acquired bumps and bruises along the
way, Cappuccino is already remarkable and truly valuable.

Now, regarding Atlas, as Jerome comments above, I think I would like
to understand more about the pricing intentions as soon as possible.
I'm more than glad to support 280 North with some revenue (I know how
far that can go when you're at the thin end of the wedge), but aside
from playing with Atlas for my $20 and perhaps helping with final
polish by way of testing, I'm going to want to understand what the
intended license deal will be.

For me, my use of Cappuccino is predicated on the value of the
framework (of course), and I probably would not be using it without
the current nib2cib tool. Atlas may well end up being a great
productivity tool, and that's why we buy tools - because they save us
time and indeed make our lives as developers more enjoyable. The good-
fidelity conversion of nib/xib to cib (at least that one way) will
remain a key requirement for continued use of Cappuccino, and I spend
so much time in Xcode anyway, that Xcode is likely continue to be my
editor of choice - but this is indeed where I'm curious to see how
Atlas will fit my workflows.

On Oct 2, 12:03 pm, Jérôme Denanot <jdena...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Francisco for the info (I'm waiting for the video at ustream). Do you
> have any details to share about new features that you unveiled, screenshots,
> etc. ?
> Is the licence a per user licence ? Ross answered quickly about the full
> release being priced higher than the beta, do you have any hint about the
> price range ? Finally I suppose it will be competitive compared with other
> solutions (look at Ext JS license for example is 329$ per developer, is a
> one time fee).
>
> The only pb. is that most clients were used to use completely free
> frameworks and tools, and they generally are reluctant to pay, even if it is
> a bargain like this one. On the other hand I fully understand your business
> model and find it right (I originally suggested you could release a free
> limited edition, and a full featured - not free - version).
>
> What about the extension mechanism alla Eclipse plugins that was suggested ?
>
> Thanks and congrats !
>
> Jerome
>

> 2009/10/2 RCLConcepts <rclconce...@gmail.com>

[Joel Norvell]

I see Atlas as a boon to the community.

It will provide the core team financial support so they can continue
the superlative work they've been doing, and grow the community to
ultimately accelerate its mission.

I completely support Francisco, Ross and Tom in whatever decisions
they make about this asset, and feel it is judicious for them to
carefully consider their options.

[Brad Hutchins]

Credit card, credit card, where did I put it...

Hey what if I pay for an alpha release can i get it sooner?

[Ross Boucher]

Alpha release costs $20,000.

[Carl Mathisen]

I will gladly pay $20 for an alpha release. Who do I contact to make
this happen?

Carl Mathisen

On Oct 5, 6:13 am, Ross Boucher <rbouc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alpha release costs $20,000.
>
> On Oct 4, 2009, at 8:47 PM, Brad Hutchins wrote:
>
> > Credit card, credit card, where did I put it...
>
> > Hey what if I pay for an alpha release can i get it sooner?
>

> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Jérôme Denanot <jdena...@gmail.com>  

> > wrote:
> > Thanks Francisco for the info (I'm waiting for the video at  
> > ustream). Do you have any details to share about new features that  
> > you unveiled, screenshots, etc. ?
>
> > Is the licence a per user licence ? Ross answered quickly about the  
> > full release being priced higher than the beta, do you have any hint  
> > about the price range ? Finally I suppose it will be competitive  
> > compared with other solutions (look at Ext JS license for example is  
> > 329$ per developer, is a one time fee).
>
> > The only pb. is that most clients were used to use completely free  
> > frameworks and tools, and they generally are reluctant to pay, even  
> > if it is a bargain like this one. On the other hand I fully  
> > understand your business model and find it right (I originally  
> > suggested you could release a free limited edition, and a full  
> > featured - not free - version).
>
> > What about the extension mechanism alla Eclipse plugins that was  
> > suggested ?
>
> > Thanks and congrats !
>
> > Jerome
>

> > 2009/10/2 RCLConcepts <rclconce...@gmail.com>

[Jerod Santo]

I believe you have come up $19,980 shy of the alpha release cost :)

Jerod Santo
http://jerodsanto.net

[Tom Brewer]

Does anyone know if Tolmasky's presentation at FOWA last week has been posted somewhere online?

Thomas

[RCLConcepts]

It hasn't been posted yet, but it will show up hear when they're
online.

http://events.carsonified.com/fowa/2009/london/content

[David Cann]

I watched it live on ustream and it's a fantastic presentation. I was
nearly cheering from my desk when he showed a HUD window floating on
its own when compiled as a native OS X app. I can't wait to see how
that works. Unfortunately, the live audience at FOWA didn't seem to
really understand what just happened.
-d

[Brad Hutchins]

What was the link.  Did a search could not find anything.

[steve]

Also look out for Francisco's second presentation on the 2nd day
showing how to use nib2cib, also very useful.

steve

[David Cann]

I don't think it was archived on ustream... I just happened to catch
it live.
-d

[Brad Hutchins]

Ahhh . . . ok explains why I can't find it.

[Tom Robinson]

http://carsonified.com/blog/web-apps/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/

[Houston]

Brilliant.

On Oct 7, 10:11 am, Tom Robinson <tlrobin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://carsonified.com/blog/web-apps/introducing-atlas-a-visual-devel...

>
> On Oct 5, 2009, at 8:18 AM, Tom Brewer wrote:
>
>
>
> > Does anyone know if Tolmasky's presentation at FOWA last week has  
> > been posted somewhere online?
>
> > Thomas
>
> > On Oct 5, 2009, at MondayOctober5      10:13 AM, Jerod Santo wrote:
>
> >> I believe you have come up $19,980 shy of the alpha release cost :)
>
> >> Jerod Santo
> >>http://jerodsanto.net
>

> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Carl Mathisen <carlgmathi...@gmail.com

[Jérôme Denanot]

Thanks Tom for the link, really impressive !
I will have to watch it again as I certainly missed some details (no headphone here so I had to put the speaker a bit low :-)), however I seem to have also noticed the native target mode David reported. And the views combinations/nesting is amazingly easy.
And finally thanks a lot to Francisco for the kind words on backend support at about 26" ! I'm  also looking forward for the full javascript server side, that will allow to use the same business objects on both sides. It will be very useful in some situations where there isn't an existing Java model, nor requirement for J2EE connectors.
I'm also hopping for an extension mechanism to Atlas.

Jerome

2009/10/7 Tom Robinson <tlrob...@gmail.com>

[Jay]

> http://carsonified.com/blog/web-apps/introducing-atlas-a-visual-devel...

It was kinda hard to see - were the native apps using native menus?

[Ross Boucher]

Yes.

On Oct 7, 2009, at 9:27 AM, Jay wrote:

>
>> http://carsonified.com/blog/web-apps/introducing-atlas-a-visual-

[Jason Martin]

After watching the presentation, I have a few questions.

- The beta is obviously paid, which may translate over to the full
1.0 version being paid. What kind of price range are we looking at for
that?

- On native apps, how the heck does that work? You mentioned that
AIR and Titanium are "bloated," so what have you done? Have you
created your own version of these things, and, if so, how "native" is
it?

- Tools and components and controllers like the RSS Controller and
the Bespin component will get ported back to plain old Cappuccino and
not be exclusive to Atlas people, right?

Other than that, it looks friggin awesome! You have no idea how badly
I want to get my hands on your source code. :)

- Jason

[Holly Woodland]

wow guys this is awesome! loved the native desktop app builder - some of my clients are sceptical about using web apps so this will make the transition so much easier

Shame it's still over a month away though - could really do with it this week :-)

--
Holly Woodland

2009/10/7 Jason Martin <legos...@gmail.com>

[Maz]

I saw the video and it looks really cool. What happened to iPhone
support?

On Oct 7, 10:05 am, Jérôme Denanot <jdena...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Tom for the link, really impressive !
> I will have to watch it again as I certainly missed some details (no
> headphone here so I had to put the speaker a bit low :-)), however I seem to
> have also noticed the native target mode David reported. And the views
> combinations/nesting is amazingly easy.
> And finally thanks a lot to Francisco for the kind words on backend support
> at about 26" ! I'm  also looking forward for the full javascript server
> side, that will allow to use the same business objects on both sides. It
> will be very useful in some situations where there isn't an existing Java
> model, nor requirement for J2EE connectors.
> I'm also hopping for an extension mechanism to Atlas.
>
> Jerome
>

> 2009/10/7 Tom Robinson <tlrobin...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://carsonified.com/blog/web-apps/introducing-atlas-a-visual-devel...

>
> > On Oct 5, 2009, at 8:18 AM, Tom Brewer wrote:
>
> > > Does anyone know if Tolmasky's presentation at FOWA last week has
> > > been posted somewhere online?
>
> > > Thomas
>
> > > On Oct 5, 2009, at MondayOctober5      10:13 AM, Jerod Santo wrote:
>
> > >> I believe you have come up $19,980 shy of the alpha release cost :)
>
> > >> Jerod Santo
> > >>http://jerodsanto.net
>

> > >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Carl Mathisen <carlgmathi...@gmail.com