I want to set up a personal web site again, as my old one has "died of
old age". So it's not likely to have much traffic or huge requirements.
But I do want to be able to serve (a few) Python web apps, and possibly
might have to be able to cater for the odd PHP legacy app. I want to run
a blog/CMS applicatoin and a wiki (definitely MoinMoin) for now.
Anyway, after discussion with Danny last night, I think Web Faction
might be a suitable hoster. So that's a "tick".
As for domains: Do I usually get/purchase them through the hoster as
well, or separately? I've looked online and it seems that there are
quite some price differences for .nz domains:
Next: What blog software to run? I'd be really tempted to ditch PHP and
migrate to something Python based. Even though, it seems that Python is
not very well used in software for the blogosphere. But I did find
something that has received quite some praise from Jesse Noller, Audrey
Roy, etc. It's called Mezzanine, and can be simply installed via pip
from PyPI:
Any experience or comments on this? I haven't made up my mind, but I'm
certainly playing with the idea. So any other suggestions regarding PHP
vs. Python or what apps to use are welcome.
Guy
-- Guy K. Kloss
School of Computing + Mathematical Sciences
Auckland University of Technology
Private Bag 92006, Auckland 1142
phone: +64 9 921 9999 ext. 5032
eMail: Guy.Kl...@aut.ac.nz
When you get a good answer would you be able to provide a brief write-up, perhaps on the NZPUG wiki? I know Leon had some lessons he learned as well and I would like to benefit from these also when I also make the jump to ditch PHP. I suspect there are others in the same boat. Good luck!
> I want to set up a personal web site again, as my old one has "died of
> old age". So it's not likely to have much traffic or huge requirements.
> But I do want to be able to serve (a few) Python web apps, and possibly
> might have to be able to cater for the odd PHP legacy app. I want to run
> a blog/CMS applicatoin and a wiki (definitely MoinMoin) for now.
> Anyway, after discussion with Danny last night, I think Web Faction
> might be a suitable hoster. So that's a "tick".
> As for domains: Do I usually get/purchase them through the hoster as
> well, or separately? I've looked online and it seems that there are
> quite some price differences for .nz domains:
> Next: What blog software to run? I'd be really tempted to ditch PHP and
> migrate to something Python based. Even though, it seems that Python is
> not very well used in software for the blogosphere. But I did find
> something that has received quite some praise from Jesse Noller, Audrey
> Roy, etc. It's called Mezzanine, and can be simply installed via pip
> from PyPI:
> Any experience or comments on this? I haven't made up my mind, but I'm
> certainly playing with the idea. So any other suggestions regarding PHP
> vs. Python or what apps to use are welcome.
> When you get a good answer would you be able to provide a brief
> write-up, perhaps on the NZPUG wiki?
Sure, might just need some reminding. So keep nagging me :)
> I know Leon had some lessons he
> learned as well and I would like to benefit from these also when I also
> make the jump to ditch PHP. I suspect there are others in the same boat.
> Good luck!
The last sentence doesn't sound encouraging, though ... :-/
Guy
-- Guy K. Kloss
School of Computing + Mathematical Sciences
Auckland University of Technology
Private Bag 92006, Auckland 1142
phone: +64 9 921 9999 ext. 5032
eMail: Guy.Kl...@aut.ac.nz
Webfaction is excellent for hosting small/personal projects, especially if
you want to host (or want to have the option of hosting) Python, PHP, Ruby,
etc projects. They're cheap, and quite good for shared hosting.
I would not recommend dealing with Domainz; they aren't just expensive,
they also have a poor web UI and support. I personally use, and
recommend, 1stdomains
<http://www.1stdomains.co.nz/>for NZ domain names (and Namecheap
<http://www.namecheap.com/>for non-NZ domain names).
Blog software is tricky. There isn't a Wordpress style blog/CMS engine in
the Python world that has the same traction as Wordpress does in the PHP
world. Mezzanine sounds fine, but I have no experience with it.
Alternatively, you could look at a static blog generator, similar to
Octopress/Jekyll, which have been getting a lot of attention and uptake in
the Ruby world. I've heard good things about
Tinkerer<http://www.tinkerer.me/>.
But static generators are not a good solution for everyone, by ANY means.
You could also always write your own blog software... :)
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Guy K. Kloss <guy.kl...@aut.ac.nz> wrote:
> I want to set up a personal web site again, as my old one has "died of
> old age". So it's not likely to have much traffic or huge requirements.
> But I do want to be able to serve (a few) Python web apps, and possibly
> might have to be able to cater for the odd PHP legacy app. I want to run
> a blog/CMS applicatoin and a wiki (definitely MoinMoin) for now.
> Anyway, after discussion with Danny last night, I think Web Faction
> might be a suitable hoster. So that's a "tick".
> As for domains: Do I usually get/purchase them through the hoster as
> well, or separately? I've looked online and it seems that there are
> quite some price differences for .nz domains:
> Next: What blog software to run? I'd be really tempted to ditch PHP and
> migrate to something Python based. Even though, it seems that Python is
> not very well used in software for the blogosphere. But I did find
> something that has received quite some praise from Jesse Noller, Audrey
> Roy, etc. It's called Mezzanine, and can be simply installed via pip
> from PyPI:
> Any experience or comments on this? I haven't made up my mind, but I'm
> certainly playing with the idea. So any other suggestions regarding PHP
> vs. Python or what apps to use are welcome.
> Guy
> --
> Guy K. Kloss
> School of Computing + Mathematical Sciences
> Auckland University of Technology
> Private Bag 92006, Auckland 1142
> phone: +64 9 921 9999 ext. 5032
> eMail: Guy.Kl...@aut.ac.nz
> Webfaction is excellent for hosting small/personal projects, especially
> if you want to host (or want to have the option of hosting) Python, PHP,
> Ruby, etc projects. They're cheap, and quite good for shared hosting.
Cool, thanks for the confirmation.
> I would not recommend dealing with Domainz; they aren't just expensive,
> they also have a poor web UI and support. I personally use, and
> recommend, 1stdomains <http://www.1stdomains.co.nz/>for NZ domain names
> (and Namecheap <http://www.namecheap.com/>for non-NZ domain names).
Yes, that's what I've seen with Domainz as well. I've stumbled over
1stdomains only via a Google search, so I'm not at all confident to have
had an exhaustive comparison. Good to know that that's a good way to go.
So it's the way that I get my domain via (e. g.) 1stdomains and the
hosting via Webfaction and then link the two up?
> Blog software is tricky. There isn't a Wordpress style blog/CMS engine
> in the Python world that has the same traction as Wordpress does in the
> PHP world. Mezzanine sounds fine, but I have no experience with it.
> Alternatively, you could look at a static blog generator, similar to
> Octopress/Jekyll, which have been getting a lot of attention and uptake
> in the Ruby world. I've heard good things about Tinkerer
> <http://www.tinkerer.me/>. But static generators are not a good
> solution for everyone, by ANY means.
I'd prefer to avoid a static generator, as also my wife would be using
the site. And as we also want to use the site to kick start a fund
raising effort (we've got some stuff from donations to raffle off) for
our child, I do also need some better support e. g. via a gallery, etc.
So, I might have to default back to Geeklog, GLfusion, Wordpress,
Joomla, ... but I do want to give Messanine a try, as it does seem to
cover most of our bases. Just not sure how well it works.
> You could also always write your own blog software... :)
:-/ I'm not that much of a webby person and would like to avoid making
my own mistakes here.
Guy
-- Guy K. Kloss
School of Computing + Mathematical Sciences
Auckland University of Technology
Private Bag 92006, Auckland 1142
phone: +64 9 921 9999 ext. 5032
eMail: Guy.Kl...@aut.ac.nz
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Guy K. Kloss <guy.kl...@aut.ac.nz> wrote:
> So it's the way that I get my domain via (e. g.) 1stdomains and the
> hosting via Webfaction and then link the two up?
Basically, yes. You need to give 1stdomains (or whomever you pick as your
registrar) the nameserver details of Webfaction (or whomever you pick as
your host). You then need to tell Webfaction about the domain. Webfaction
has some decent documentation here:
http://docs.webfaction.com/user-guide/domains.html The bits you need will
be "Pointing Your Domain to WebFaction’s Servers" and "Adding a Domain to
the Control Panel". Webfaction also has pretty good support, if that's not
clear enough. :)
We have found webfaction+django to work well for us ... on first start, a
day will easily get you running, and once you have done it before, a new
site can be deployed in an hour or so. You have ssh access, and so have
full control over what software you install. For domain name registration,
http://iwantmyname.com/ is great ... focused on the one job of registering
and maintaining domain names (and a friendly NZ company as well). When
you are developing you can start with the webfactional domain name that is
provided when you register, and then point your own domain at your site
once you are ready.
On the django blog side, I haven't experience with an off-the-shelf
package, although I have often wished there was something in between
standard django and packages like django-cms, which I found to impose its
way of doing things too heavily on me. I like the fact that Mezzanine
appears to have real users, is being actively contributed to, and has an
extensible design, so you only need deal with the features that you are
interested in. It also uses twitter bootstrap out of the box, which means
you will have a website that looks good on mobile phones, etc, and is a
good thing to learn about of itself.
In the documentation they say that a working knowledge of django is
required. Certainly, you will need to be willing to learn django to get a
package like Mezzanine working for you.
Cheers,
Ed.
On 5 August 2012 13:25, Cody Hatch <c...@chaos.net.nz> wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Guy K. Kloss <guy.kl...@aut.ac.nz> wrote:
>> So it's the way that I get my domain via (e. g.) 1stdomains and the
>> hosting via Webfaction and then link the two up?
> Basically, yes. You need to give 1stdomains (or whomever you pick as your
> registrar) the nameserver details of Webfaction (or whomever you pick as
> your host). You then need to tell Webfaction about the domain. Webfaction
> has some decent documentation here:
> http://docs.webfaction.com/user-guide/domains.html The bits you need
> will be "Pointing Your Domain to WebFaction’s Servers" and "Adding a Domain
> to the Control Panel". Webfaction also has pretty good support, if that's
> not clear enough. :)
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I am in the process of droping PHP and moving to Python based
applications and web apps.
Getting inexpensive hosting sorted seems to be the mqin challenge.
I will check out Web Faction. Good to see this topic coming up on
this list. I too am hungry for lessons learned and pointers.
When you get a good answer would you be able to provide a brief
write-up, perhaps on the NZPUG wiki? I know Leon had some lessons
he learned as well and I would like to benefit from these also
when I also make the jump to ditch PHP. I suspect there are others
in the same boat. Good luck!
All the best, Grant
On 05/08/12 12:23, Guy K. Kloss wrote:
Hi all,
I want to set up a personal web site again, as my old one has
"died of
old age". So it's not likely to have much traffic or huge
requirements.
But I do want to be able to serve (a few) Python web apps, and
possibly
might have to be able to cater for the odd PHP legacy app. I
want to run
a blog/CMS applicatoin and a wiki (definitely MoinMoin) for now.
Anyway, after discussion with Danny last night, I think Web
Faction
might be a suitable hoster. So that's a "tick".
As for domains: Do I usually get/purchase them through the
hoster as
well, or separately? I've looked online and it seems that there
are
quite some price differences for .nz domains:
Next: What blog software to run? I'd be really tempted to ditch
PHP and
migrate to something Python based. Even though, it seems that
Python is
not very well used in software for the blogosphere. But I did
find
something that has received quite some praise from Jesse Noller,
Audrey
Roy, etc. It's called Mezzanine, and can be simply installed via
pip
from PyPI:
Any experience or comments on this? I haven't made up my mind,
but I'm
certainly playing with the idea. So any other suggestions
regarding PHP
vs. Python or what apps to use are welcome.
Every time I look at shared hosting I keep coming back to the idea of just
getting a VPS at somewhere like rackspace or linode. A little more
expensive but not that much more and you get full control. There are also
cheaper ones if you hunt them out but both rackspace and linode have a good
name (github runs at rackspace for example). I can't remember the name but
I saw Dutch provider down at around 10 euros a month for a 512MB server.
graham....@appliedsemiotics.co.nz> wrote:
> I am in the process of droping PHP and moving to Python based
> applications and web apps.
> Getting inexpensive hosting sorted seems to be the mqin challenge. I will
> check out Web Faction. Good to see this topic coming up on this list. I too
> am hungry for lessons learned and pointers.
> Graham Hay MIITP ITCP
> *Applied Semiotics Limited*
> When you get a good answer would you be able to provide a brief write-up,
> perhaps on the NZPUG wiki? I know Leon had some lessons he learned as well
> and I would like to benefit from these also when I also make the jump to
> ditch PHP. I suspect there are others in the same boat. Good luck!
> All the best, Grant
> On 05/08/12 12:23, Guy K. Kloss wrote:
> Hi all,
> I want to set up a personal web site again, as my old one has "died of
> old age". So it's not likely to have much traffic or huge requirements.
> But I do want to be able to serve (a few) Python web apps, and possibly
> might have to be able to cater for the odd PHP legacy app. I want to run
> a blog/CMS applicatoin and a wiki (definitely MoinMoin) for now.
> Anyway, after discussion with Danny last night, I think Web Faction
> might be a suitable hoster. So that's a "tick".
> As for domains: Do I usually get/purchase them through the hoster as
> well, or separately? I've looked online and it seems that there are
> quite some price differences for .nz domains:
> Next: What blog software to run? I'd be really tempted to ditch PHP and
> migrate to something Python based. Even though, it seems that Python is
> not very well used in software for the blogosphere. But I did find
> something that has received quite some praise from Jesse Noller, Audrey
> Roy, etc. It's called Mezzanine, and can be simply installed via pip
> from PyPI:
> Any experience or comments on this? I haven't made up my mind, but I'm
> certainly playing with the idea. So any other suggestions regarding PHP
> vs. Python or what apps to use are welcome.
> Guy
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I don't know if anyone else feels like this, but everytime I see a VPS
being used for a website I wonder why people are willing to spend so much
money for such small requirements. Re-purposing an old laptop seems much
more effective.
Let's look at the direct costs of having a laptop running on a shelf in the
garage.
Domestic power costs 26.5 c/kwh[0]
A laptop with the screen disabled is unlikely draw more than 15 Watts
consistently, but let's round up to 30 Watts.
26.5/1000 * 30 Watts = 0.795 cents per hour
0.795 * 24 = 19.08 cents per day
19.08 * (365/12) = 580.35 cents per month
580.35 / 100 = $5.8 per month
I'm just not sure whether you receive ~6 times the value from a VPS. It's
extremely unlikely that a personal site will take a huge amount of
bandwidth. People worry about power prices, but currency fluctuations are
far bigger.
> Every time I look at shared hosting I keep coming back to the idea of just
> getting a VPS at somewhere like rackspace or linode. A little more
> expensive but not that much more and you get full control. There are also
> cheaper ones if you hunt them out but both rackspace and linode have a good
> name (github runs at rackspace for example). I can't remember the name but
> I saw Dutch provider down at around 10 euros a month for a 512MB server.
> Cheers,
> Adrian
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Graham Hay <
> graham....@appliedsemiotics.co.nz> wrote:
>> I am in the process of droping PHP and moving to Python based
>> applications and web apps.
>> Getting inexpensive hosting sorted seems to be the mqin challenge. I
>> will check out Web Faction. Good to see this topic coming up on this list.
>> I too am hungry for lessons learned and pointers.
>> Graham Hay MIITP ITCP
>> *Applied Semiotics Limited*
>> On 2012-08-05 12:27, Grant Paton-Simpson wrote:
>> Hi Guy,
>> When you get a good answer would you be able to provide a brief write-up,
>> perhaps on the NZPUG wiki? I know Leon had some lessons he learned as well
>> and I would like to benefit from these also when I also make the jump to
>> ditch PHP. I suspect there are others in the same boat. Good luck!
>> All the best, Grant
>> On 05/08/12 12:23, Guy K. Kloss wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I want to set up a personal web site again, as my old one has "died of
>> old age". So it's not likely to have much traffic or huge requirements.
>> But I do want to be able to serve (a few) Python web apps, and possibly
>> might have to be able to cater for the odd PHP legacy app. I want to run
>> a blog/CMS applicatoin and a wiki (definitely MoinMoin) for now.
>> Anyway, after discussion with Danny last night, I think Web Faction
>> might be a suitable hoster. So that's a "tick".
>> As for domains: Do I usually get/purchase them through the hoster as
>> well, or separately? I've looked online and it seems that there are
>> quite some price differences for .nz domains:
>> Next: What blog software to run? I'd be really tempted to ditch PHP and
>> migrate to something Python based. Even though, it seems that Python is
>> not very well used in software for the blogosphere. But I did find
>> something that has received quite some praise from Jesse Noller, Audrey
>> Roy, etc. It's called Mezzanine, and can be simply installed via pip
>> from PyPI:
>> Any experience or comments on this? I haven't made up my mind, but I'm
>> certainly playing with the idea. So any other suggestions regarding PHP
>> vs. Python or what apps to use are welcome.
>> Guy
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On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Tim McNamara <mcnamara....@gmail.com>wrote:
> I don't know if anyone else feels like this, but everytime I see a VPS
> being used for a website I wonder why people are willing to spend so much
> money for such small requirements. Re-purposing an old laptop seems much
> more effective.
It's not just the raw cost of power and Internet, it's the hardware
reliability and network connection that are most valuable. Of course it
depends on how critical your application is, but nobody likes downtime.
I have a VPS with SiteHost. Sure it costs me a bit (around $40 NZD / month)
but having a local server with a great network connection is very useful. I
host a few websites for friends and family to offset the cost so it
actually works out nicely.
Jeremy.
On 6 August 2012 09:09, Adrian Merrall <adrianmerr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Every time I look at shared hosting I keep coming back to the idea of just
> getting a VPS at somewhere like rackspace or linode. A little more
> expensive but not that much more and you get full control. There are also
> cheaper ones if you hunt them out but both rackspace and linode have a good
> name (github runs at rackspace for example). I can't remember the name but
> I saw Dutch provider down at around 10 euros a month for a 512MB server.
> Cheers,
> Adrian
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Graham Hay <
> graham....@appliedsemiotics.co.nz> wrote:
>> I am in the process of droping PHP and moving to Python based
>> applications and web apps.
>> Getting inexpensive hosting sorted seems to be the mqin challenge. I
>> will check out Web Faction. Good to see this topic coming up on this list.
>> I too am hungry for lessons learned and pointers.
>> Graham Hay MIITP ITCP
>> *Applied Semiotics Limited*
>> On 2012-08-05 12:27, Grant Paton-Simpson wrote:
>> Hi Guy,
>> When you get a good answer would you be able to provide a brief write-up,
>> perhaps on the NZPUG wiki? I know Leon had some lessons he learned as well
>> and I would like to benefit from these also when I also make the jump to
>> ditch PHP. I suspect there are others in the same boat. Good luck!
>> All the best, Grant
>> On 05/08/12 12:23, Guy K. Kloss wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I want to set up a personal web site again, as my old one has "died of
>> old age". So it's not likely to have much traffic or huge requirements.
>> But I do want to be able to serve (a few) Python web apps, and possibly
>> might have to be able to cater for the odd PHP legacy app. I want to run
>> a blog/CMS applicatoin and a wiki (definitely MoinMoin) for now.
>> Anyway, after discussion with Danny last night, I think Web Faction
>> might be a suitable hoster. So that's a "tick".
>> As for domains: Do I usually get/purchase them through the hoster as
>> well, or separately? I've looked online and it seems that there are
>> quite some price differences for .nz domains:
>> Next: What blog software to run? I'd be really tempted to ditch PHP and
>> migrate to something Python based. Even though, it seems that Python is
>> not very well used in software for the blogosphere. But I did find
>> something that has received quite some praise from Jesse Noller, Audrey
>> Roy, etc. It's called Mezzanine, and can be simply installed via pip
>> from PyPI:
>> Any experience or comments on this? I haven't made up my mind, but I'm
>> certainly playing with the idea. So any other suggestions regarding PHP
>> vs. Python or what apps to use are welcome.
>> Guy
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> I have a VPS with SiteHost. Sure it costs me a bit (around $40 NZD /
> month) but having a local server with a great network connection is very
> useful. I host a few websites for friends and family to offset the cost so
> it actually works out nicely.
> Jeremy.
That is the ideal. Even with my fiber at home connection, it still isn't
as robust as I would like. Then you either rely on a dynamic DNS service
or pay for a static IP plus the traffic costs, assuming your children have
spent the entire month on youtube and blown your traffic cap again!
Perhaps at PUG meetings we would see if there are people with similar
requirements who can share a VPS to keep the cost down? Once you've had a
beer with someone you can trust them with your root password.
On 5 August 2012 12:23, Guy K. Kloss <guy.kl...@aut.ac.nz> wrote:
> Anyway, after discussion with Danny last night, I think Web Faction
> might be a suitable hoster. So that's a "tick".
I've had lots of bad experiances with Domainz, I'd avoid them if I
were you. We've enjoyed working with RegisterDirect who provide
registration as well as DNS services, but they aren't the cheapest.
> But I did find
> something that has received quite some praise from Jesse Noller, Audrey
> Roy, etc. It's called Mezzanine, and can be simply installed via pip
> from PyPI:
Mezzanine has some nice features, but it *is* pretty slow -- hundreds
of ms per request slow. Then again, if you're doing less than a
million hits per month, who cares... ;-)
> Any experience or comments on this? I haven't made up my mind, but I'm
> certainly playing with the idea. So any other suggestions regarding PHP
> vs. Python or what apps to use are welcome.
Python deployment is a huge hassle compared to PHP. You've got to
worry about starting, then restarting WSGI daemons, creating and using
the right virtualenv, etc... You've got already got Fabric
experience, which is a great help. I like the tried-and-true Apache
and mod_wsgi combo to run your Python apps, but trendier heads will
proably disagree with me there...
As for hosting I like Amazon EC2. I dipped my toes into their virtual
waters with trepidation, but they have worked out really well*. For
your usage an Amazon 'micro' instance would surely serve. It's free
for the first year and can be had for as little as $5/month plus $125
upfront on a three year term ($8/mo amortised).
For sites with mostly NZ audience a local server would be better, to
avoid international link latency and outages. I've had good
experiences with RimuHosting.
Cheers,
Leon
* The biggest caveat is that IO performance is well below a dedicated
server, so make sure your dataset fits in RAM.
Is there an 80:20 type solution where, if you're willing to sacrifice 20% of the flexibility, you can get a simple installation and operation experience? E.g. If you want Mezzanine for blogging, Django for misc, and a couple of other things you can get a flying start? Is there an opportunity here for someone to get rich ;-). A new package called pyweb8020 perhaps?
Leon wrote:
> Python deployment is a huge hassle compared to PHP. You've got to
I forgot to say that it is totally worth it. With Python we can do
more interesting things in less time, while having more fun.
> * The biggest caveat is that IO performance is well below a dedicated
> server, so make sure your dataset fits in RAM.
Interestingly, I just got an email from Amazon announcing a new
product to address the IO issue. You normally only get ~100
read/writes per second (IOPS) from a standard EBS volume, but can now
pay extra for a 'Provisioned IOPS' volume with up to 1000 IOPS. The
pricing is a little tricky to understand though. Normal EBS volume is
US$0.10 per GB per month. Provisioned IOPS is $0.125/GB/mo, plus a
surcharge of '$0.10 per provisioned IOPS-month'. In any case, it's
great news for DB heavy sites...
Grant wrote:
> Mezzanine for blogging, Django for misc, and a couple of other things you can get a flying start?
Mezzanine is already a Django app., so you're already most of the way
there... I don't know how rich you're going to get writing a bogging
platform though... :-P
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Adrian Merrall <adrianmerr...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Every time I look at shared hosting I keep coming back to the idea of just
> getting a VPS at somewhere like rackspace or linode. A little more
> expensive but not that much more and you get full control.
I use both Linode and Hetzner (http://hetzner.com/ which is 7.90 Euro -
19%/month for 512MB VPS). But I've gotten lazy for my last couple of
projects and used Heroku and Redhat's OpenShift which I think provide a
good middle ground with their providing the platform but giving me enough
flexibility to run my favorite tools. I'd think the free tier of either
Heroku or OpenShift would be adequate for the typical blog + custom
executables. But we're drifting a bit from the original question...
I have a VPS with SiteHost. Sure it costs me a bit (around $40 NZD / month) but having a local server with a great network connection is very useful. I host a few websites for friends and family to offset the cost so it actually works out nicely.
Has anyone had any experience using Heroku's new cedar stack, or do you think the service is prohibitively expensive? It looks appealing given that they are now supporting Postgresql.
Well spotted about Mezzanine ;-). Re: getting rich I am referring to provision of a one-true-way, select it and get 80% of all you are likely to need out of the box, installation experience. Basically, a PHP-type installation experience but with a better future.
> Mezzanine is already a Django app., so you're already most of the way
> there... I don't know how rich you're going to get writing a bogging
> platform though...:-P
OK, I've chosen WebFaction for a hoster over AWS, as I'm getting also
hassle free IMAP mail accounts for no extra work with them at an almost
equivalent price.
So far the Mezzanine install is going well, but very slowly. I can
really feel that my lack of general Django knowledge is weighing me
down. Particularly the part that static content is served differently,
and needs to be "collected" through some script is giving me grief.
Didn't quite get that all sorted out and working, yet.
If you're interested in following, you can find the site at
http://kloss.org.nz.
I'm doing an installer using Fabric + Cuisine, which I'll be posting
along with some install notes, but that'll take a while longer.
Thanks for all the feedback up front already,
Guy
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> OK, I've chosen WebFaction for a hoster over AWS, as I'm getting also
> hassle free IMAP mail accounts for no extra work with them at an almost
> equivalent price.
> So far the Mezzanine install is going well, but very slowly. I can
> really feel that my lack of general Django knowledge is weighing me
> down. Particularly the part that static content is served differently,
> and needs to be "collected" through some script is giving me grief.
> Didn't quite get that all sorted out and working, yet.
> If you're interested in following, you can find the site at
> http://kloss.org.nz.
> I'm doing an installer using Fabric + Cuisine, which I'll be posting
> along with some install notes, but that'll take a while longer.
Yes, I found the new static content system a little exciting. After using the Django 1.2 model for a year or so (where all the static content is jumbled into one 'static' directory) I started a project with 1.4 and all the static files stored under the module they apply to (along with templates).
It is much cleaner for a programmer and module distributors, but I pity the non-programmer web designer trying to find where their CSS and image directories have all gone!
[snip] Particularly the part that static content is served differently,
