Let's warn Homosexuals of their coming fate unless they repent, what do you say?
Scripture Correct against Politically Correct
"Soolin" <Soo...@yahoo.com.com> wrote in message
news:bjkuk3$kgd$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> I sometimes wonder whether many Christians have ANY idea of the kind of
> damage done to homosexuals by the church.
The only 'damage done' is what sinful Homosexual perverts are doing to
themselves.
" Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do
not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers
nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor
drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." 1
Cor 6:9-10 (NIV)
>
> "Vera Six" <ver...@t-online.de> wrote in message
> news:bj4vth$n94$05$1...@news.t-online.com...
> > And I agree with you and Lavern, Sister.
> >
> > Yours in Christ,
> >
> > Vera
> >
> > "Chayil" <Cha...@bellsouth.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:WWk5b.77$X5...@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> > >
> > > "lavern" <lav...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > > news:_id5b.22216$Ad4.9...@news3.news.adelphia.net...
> > > > I know that I am on the tale end of this conversation but when
people
> > > > tell me that they believe people are born gay, I do not argue with
> them.
> > > >
> > > > I simply tell them that "everyone is born a sinner." Period. What
sin
> > > > you choose to indulge in is irrelevant. No one is righteous no not
> one.
> > > > All are born sinners. I think it is futile to argue with someone
over
> > > > whether or not a person is born gay or not. That is like arguing
with
> > > > someone that they were born a rapist or a child molester or a serial
> > > > killer or a gossiper or a fornicator, and so on and so on.
> > > >
> > > > We are all born in sin. Period.
> > > >
> > > > Just my 0.02
> > > > lavern
> > >
> > > Hi Lavern,
> > >
> > > I agree with you!
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Vera Six wrote:
> > > > > You hit the point, Wayne.
> > > > >
> > > > > People can change, and they are not born homosexual.
> > > > > God made man and women.
> > > > >
> > > > > Okay, they think a bit differently, maybe. I get along with
> > > > > men and women the same. There can be a lot of love and
> > > > > friendship between two women, but that does not include
> > > > > any sexual aspect.
> > > > >
> > > > > While men like to repair cars together, wordless maybe,
> > > > > women like to chat more. There is a difference in behaviour.
> > > > > That is normal. If you leave a contact on a sexual base,
> > > > > you will never know about true love between two people.
> > > > > This is based on trust, not on sex.
> > > > >
> > > > > Be blessed,
> > > > >
> > > > > Vera
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Wayne W." <hwa...@nospam.sbcglobal.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > > news:d184b.227$qA4...@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com...
> > > > >
> > > > >>I used to have a problem with desiring many women. Not that I
acted
> it
> > > on
> > > > >>it, but it was a real problem in my mind when I was younger. I
asked
> the
> > > > >>Lord to take this from me, and he taught me how to appreciate
women
> for
> > > more
> > > > >>than just their bodies. I am now free from this sin. Praise God.
> But
> > > this
> > > > >>was a sin like any other, but some don't know that through the
blood
> of
> > > > >>Jesus they can overcome. I am not ready to be offered up yet, but
I
> am
> > > > >>closer to Him than when I first started.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Yours in Christ Jesus,
> > > > >>Wayne W.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Vera Six wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>"Wayne W." <hwa...@nospam.sbcglobal.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > > > >>>news:oM54b.213$Z13...@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com...
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>Not in vain. I sometimes use reverse psychology when I teach, as
> it
> > > > >>>>seems to stick with people longer. <g> I know a song that says,
> > > > >>>>"Let's be frank, let's talk straight, won't believe till the sam
> > > > >>>>hills gate,.... I even tried to find him, and he wasn't in his
> > > > >>>>grave, ... Look to Jesus and you'll be set free.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>You see the progression from denial, to revelation, to truth.
> Great
> > > > >>>>song.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Right, Jesus will set people free. Homosexuals as well as others,
> if
> > > > >>>they ask him.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>I love them the same. Sinners are sinners.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Yours in Christ,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Vera
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>Yours in Christ Jesus,
> > > > >>>>Wayne W.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Vera Six wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>This message was for Wayne - not in vain, I hope. Sorry,
> > > > >>>>>Charlotte.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>Bless you,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>Vera
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>"Vera Six" <ver...@t-online.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > > > >>>>>news:biqnfg$kc5$00$1...@news.t-online.com...
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>Shock therapy...? ;-)
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>Yes, I love them all. :-)
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>Amen.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>"Charlotte" <char...@seniorglobe.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > > > >>>>>>news:biqms6$c8g26$1...@ID-115874.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>"Wayne W." <hwa...@nospam.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > > > >>>>>>>news:oUW3b.303$eu6...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com...
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>Yes, we don't need these sinners in our lives any more. Lets
> kill
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>them. Let
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>us commit cold blooded murder on all sinners. What do you
> say?
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>Well, I know what Jesus would say. "You know what spirit you
> are
> > > > >>>>>>>>of. I
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>came
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>to save them, not to destroy them."
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>Just think, what if one of these is your child, or your
> spouse,
> > > > >>>>>>>>or
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>cousin,
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>or close friend?
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>Isn't it time to stop hating sinners, and start loving them?
> "For
> > > > >>>>>>>>God
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>so
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that
> > > > >>>>>>>>whosoever
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>believes
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>on him, should have everlasting life, and not perish. For
God
> > > > >>>>>>>>sent his
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Son
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>into the world, NOT to condemn the world, but that through
> him,
> > > > >>>>>>>>the
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>world
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>might be saved. "
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>I hope this message had a good impact on you. I apologize if
> the
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Subject
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>disturbed you, but I have watched too many TV preachers
knock
> > > > >>>>>>>>sinners,
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>and
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>say things like, "Let's nuke Cuba." God loves us, and that
> means
> > > > >>>>>>>>all
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>of us.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. He
> who
> > > > >>>>>>>>says
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>he has
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>not sinned has called God a LIAR.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>Most Heavenly father, Don't let us forget the pit from which
> we
> > > > >>>>>>>>were
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>dug.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>Let us love every homosexual, every pervert, every
> whoremonger,
> > > > >>>>>>>>etc...
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Let
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>us not turn our backs on those that need you. I ask this in
> Jesus
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>name, amen
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>and amen.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>Yours in Christ Jesus,
> > > > >>>>>>>>Wayne W.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Yes, we need to love every sinner. But make sure that we do
> not
> > > > >>>>>>>make them think we condone the sin. Tell them once or twice
> that
> > > > >>>>>>>it is wrong according to God and let them know God (and you)
> know
> > > > >>>>>>>that hating the sin does not mean hating the sinner because
> they
> > > > >>>>>>>are NOT one and the same.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"Ninure Saunders"<RainbowChri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY
<Snipped Homosexual 'fancy' fables>
9 "Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor
adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders, 10 nor thieves nor
the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the
kingdom of God."
1 Cor 6:9-10 (NIV)
7 "Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual
immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the
punishment of eternal fire.8 In the very same way, these dreamers pollute
their own bodies" Jude 1:7-8 (NIV)
"These laws are for people who are sexually immoral, for homosexuals and
slave traders, for liars and oath breakers, and for those who do anything
else that contradicts the right teaching " 1 Timothy 1:10 (NLT)
Nuff said.
Jeff...
Jude
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <Nospamever@.com.> wrote in message
news:OjB7b.62$W71...@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net...
Hey, Jeff,
When you jerk yourself off, please have the courtesy to do it in private.
You're making some of us sick. You seem to "get off" on bringing down "fire
and brimstone" on others.
First of all, take a Hebrew class or shut up.
>
>
>
>
>
>
timoffy
"Jude" <Ju...@nunyabiznez.usa> wrote in message
news:A7r8b.3451$Ci3...@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
I've tried to explain to him about the poor and biased translations, the
context of the relevant passages, etc, etc. But there's none so deaf as a
bigot....
Timothy <><
Jude
"timoffy" <tim...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:Fky8b.24$WY6....@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...
How correct you are. Was it Shakespear or Pascal who said "People never do
evil more cheerfully than in the name of religion."
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"timoffy" <tim...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> I've tried to explain to him about the poor and biased translations, the
> context of the relevant passages, etc, etc. But there's none so deaf as a
> bigot....
Well, such, in your obvious [sodomy] biased 'poor and biased translations"
have been approved of by Almighty God.
He has more trust, and so do I, in the translations of those Hebrew and
Greek Scholars who REALLY do understand just what they are on about, then
all the crazy, demented, lay intellectual reprobates, who consider their
translations and personal conjecture overrules and supersedes such
intelligent men whom God has raised to translate his Word of Truth.
Tim, you really are spiritually dumber that I first thought.
" Be ye followers of me, [Paul] even as I also am of Christ.
Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the
ordinances, as I delivered them to you."
1 Cor 11:1-2 (KJV)
Jeff...
"16 Take heed unto thyself, and the doctrines; continue in them: for in
doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee."
1 Tim 4:16 (KJV)
"Website: http://www.antipas.org
Read 'Christendom Astray From the Bible'
Jeff...
Hiscoming
"Jude" <Ju...@nunyabiznez.usa> wrote in message
news:A7r8b.3451$Ci3...@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
> and brimstone" on others.
>
We must speak the truth.
However, I will emphasise on the mercy of God for the lost. So that they can
know that there is still hope for them to be saved.
It is also bad and evil to tell the homosexuals that there is no consequence
for their rebellion. Truly speaking, there is hell of fire awaiting all the
impenitent sinners.
Jude
"Hiscoming" <hisc...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:bk0t6i$h32$1...@sparta.btinternet.com...
You know, if you or others REALLY cared about homosexuals, you wouldn't be
so obnoxious, at the VERY LEAST!!! If you or others REALLY thought someone
was headed toward eternal punishment, you wouldn't be so hateful in your
speech and tone. If you had a child and that child was running toward a
hole in the street, you wouldn't be standing on your doorstep yelling what
an abomination he was.... now, THAT'S the end of the story. That
disgusting human piece called Jeff, who fancies himself God's right hand,
SHOULD learn from this post also.
However, I KNOW you guys DON'T care about homosexuals, and that you're
probably working out of some deep physchological fears and anxieties I don't
and can't know about.
I will say that your post in particular in lacking in the typical ugliness
that most "Christians" show when it comes to gay people.
Anyway, Jeff and his elk like to give perfect trust to other men who
translated bible text but I HAVE looked at different bible text on other
subjects and there HAVE been significant changes to words that DID change
the direct meaning of the text.
I've also put all the 4 gospels together side and side and by the 3rd
chapter I quit trying to find errors/contradictions because I had found so
many that I became disinterested.
I believe in a Creator but NOT the bible because the bible DOES have
contradictions and mistakes that are NOT points of faith such as numbers and
sequence of events, etc.
I believe that people who will NOT admit to the problems within the bible
are those who are the MOST fearful and who seem to need something "concrete"
to salvagage their "faith." They typically USE the bible to hammer at
others. Not that some people don't need hammering. Believe me, I know that
a whole lot of people are disgustingly self centered and destructive.
Anyway, I think you pretty much have gotten my drift.
Jude
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"Jude" <Ju...@nunyabiznez.usa> wrote in message
> That disgusting human piece called Jeff, who fancies himself God's right
hand,
> SHOULD learn from this post also.
Learn what, that professing christians who still involve themselves in
forbidden homosexual fornication, and commit persisitent Adultery by
marrying again while the first spouse is alive, and indulge in other
forbidden activties will be saved along with the moral lving minorty. I do
not think so Jude. Stop being deceived as commanded.
> However, I KNOW you guys DON'T care about homosexuals, and that you're
> probably working out of some deep physchological fears and anxieties I
don't
> and can't know about.
>
> I will say that your post in particular in lacking in the typical ugliness
> that most "Christians" show when it comes to gay people.
We simply cannot escape or avoid the truth of what the Scripture has warned
is the ultimaste destiny for such evil and wicked people, especially for the
hypocrites that insist that they follow Christ, yet carry on with condemned
evil lifestyles and are PROUD of their depravity [like Ninure the lewd
lesbian] and encourage others to not to forsake their wickedness, but to
actually thank God for it.
Such deluded persons are beneath contempt for they encourage others to
remain in their sin, and so will get the terrible punishment thy deserve.
> Anyway, I think you pretty much have gotten my drift.
Yes! the 'drift' of death and the grave, for that is the only reward for
such unscriptural thinking.
Jude
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <Nospamever@.com.> wrote in message
If you wonder why people attack you, don't. Adding "the lewd lesbian" is
flammatory and inspires others to do the same... I've read a couple of her
posts and she doesn't post anything obnoxious.
timoffy
homosexuality - but look at the hellfire opposition I get on here for my
stance! They believe in a book, and not the Living God, I'm afraid.
Peace to you.
Timothy <><
"Jude" <Ju...@nunyabiznez.usa> wrote in message
news:LM09b.7477$vi3....@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
timoffy
"Jude" <Ju...@nunyabiznez.usa> wrote in message
>
> If you wonder why people attack [Jeff], don't. Adding "the lewd lesbian"
is
> flammatory and inspires others to do the same... I've read a couple of
her
> posts and she doesn't post anything obnoxious.
>
abuse and derogatory terms because he doesn't like gay people.
The very attitude that incites hatred, discrimination, persecution, violence
and even murder within our society - rather far removed from 'Love thy
neighbour' don't you think?
Timothy <><
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"Jude" Ju...@nunyabiznez.usa> wrote in message news:
> If you wonder why people attack you, don't.
I do not wonder at all, neither does the pathetic howl of unrightous protest
form ignorant unbelievers, homophile heretics or reprobates who have fallen
from the paths of correct righteousness, bother me. In fact I expect it.
Fraud ''christian' Homophiles and their evil friends are expected to protest
when they are called to account over their evil ways, while pretending to be
followers of Christ, shaming his name by open fornication and leading gross
immoral lives before God and before the world.
>Adding "the lewd lesbian" is
> flammatory and inspires others to do the same...
So is calling people "Swine" and "Dogs" "Sons of Vipers" but Jesus still
used such derogatory names to describe them.
Why! Because they are fitting and correct.
And 'Lewd' is the perfect description for one who is a wicked lesbian.
Romans 1:26+
[a. Obscene; indecent. Wicked.]
> I've read a couple of her
> posts and she doesn't post anything obnoxious.
Trail her websites, or read her past posts, they excuse and encorage
fornication and homosexual sin, with those of the same sex. She is a
'christian' fraud who promotes the "Vile affection" between homosexual
perverts, just like the members of her disgraceful church, the Metropolitan
Community Church.
Which states
"The Good News is
that, since 1968, when Metropolitan Community Church was founded, the
emergence of a strong lesbian and gay community, and the conclusions of new
scientific studies on homosexuality have forced the Christian Church to
reexamine these issues. A growing number of biblical and theological
scholars now recognize that Scripture does not condemn loving, responsible
homosexual relationships. Therefore, gay men and lesbians should be
accepted - just as they are-in Christian churches, and homosexual
relationships should be celebrated and affirmed!"
Such is their blasphemy and in total opposition to what is taught in the
Scriptures both in the O/Testaments.
These reprobate deluded persons are beneath contempt for they encourage
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
>
> "Jude" <Ju...@nunyabiznez.usa> wrote in message
> news:i469b.9464$vi3....@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > If you wonder why people attack [Jeff], don't. Adding "the lewd
lesbian"
> is
> > flammatory and inspires others to do the same... I've read a couple of
> her
> > posts and she doesn't post anything obnoxious.
> >
> This is very typical of Jeff, I'm afraid, to resort to unnecessary
personal
> abuse and derogatory terms
It is necessary, Christ used such 'abuse' and derogatory terms and so did
Paul.
Thus the message of the serious vileness of their actions of sin are made
known to all.
>because he doesn't like gay people.
Neither does God, he refuses to have any in his Kingdom Tim, or hadn't you
noticed.
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of
God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,
nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor
swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Cor 6:9-10 (NASB)
In the OT God commanded homosexual perverts in Israel to stoned to death
for their
fornication. God calls "mankind lying with mankind! An ABOMINATION before
Him.
BTW all this homosexual favouritism of yours just lately is very strange.
You haven't by any chance become a Sodomite yourself now, have you Tim?
" Be ye followers of me, [Paul] even as I also am of Christ.
Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the
ordinances, as I delivered them to you."
1 Cor 11:1-2 (KJV)
Jeff...
"16 Take heed unto thyself, and the doctrines; continue in them: for in
doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee."
1 Tim 4:16 (KJV)
"14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:"
15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke,
in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights
in the world;
Phil 2:14-15 (KJV)
Steve
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <Nospamever@.com.> wrote in message
>
> BTW all this homosexual favouritism of yours just lately is very strange.
> You haven't by any chance become a Sodomite yourself now, have you Tim?
>
;-)
Timothy <><
Jude
"timoffy" <tim...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1Pc9b.34$mf4....@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...
>
It's so far removed, I can't EVEN see it.... lol
Jude
> I for one do NOT follow the crowd in condemning homosexuals or
> homosexuality - but look at the hellfire opposition I get on here for my
> stance! They believe in a book, and not the Living God, I'm afraid.
>
> Peace to you.
> Timothy <><
I'm with you. They believe in a book. They LOVE to condemn homosexuals.
It's kind of like the scapegoat of the "Christians," you know, the member of
society everybody is "allowed" to tear down and show hate toward. They even
have the NERVE to say God doesn't "like" gay people. Well, how does that
sit with the love of God?
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"Jude" <Ju...@nunyabiznez.usa> wrote in message
>
> "timoffy" <tim...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:nLc9b.33$mf4....@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...
> > I for one do NOT follow the crowd in condemning homosexuals or
> > homosexuality - but look at the hellfire opposition I get on here for my
> > stance! They believe in a book, and not the Living God, I'm afraid.
> >
> > Peace to you.
> > Timothy <><
>
> I'm with you. They believe in a book. They LOVE to condemn homosexuals.
> It's kind of like the scapegoat of the "Christians," you know, the member
of
> society everybody is "allowed" to tear down and show hate toward. They
even
> have the NERVE to say God doesn't "like" gay people. Well, how does that
> sit with the love of God?
If God loved Homosexual perverts or Sodomites & lesbians , they would be
welcome in his kingdom, but they have been forbidden entry.
"9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do
not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers
nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders,10 nor thieves nor the greedy
nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
1 Cor 6:9-10 (NIV)
"7 Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual
immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the
punishment of eternal fire.8 In the very same way, these dreamers pollute
their own bodies.." Jude 1:7-8 (NIV)
Nuff said.
Only the 'deceived' doomed dummies, believe differently.
Jeff...
" Be ye followers of me, [Paul] even as I also am of Christ.
Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the
ordinances, as I delivered them to you."
1 Cor 11:1-2 (KJV)
"16 Take heed unto thyself, and the doctrines; continue in them: for in
timoffy
"Jude" <Ju...@nunyabiznez.usa> wrote in message
>
> "timoffy" <tim...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:nLc9b.33$mf4....@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...
> > I for one do NOT follow the crowd in condemning homosexuals or
> > homosexuality - but look at the hellfire opposition I get on here for my
> > stance! They believe in a book, and not the Living God, I'm afraid.
> >
> > Peace to you.
> > Timothy <><
>
> I'm with you. They believe in a book. They LOVE to condemn homosexuals.
> It's kind of like the scapegoat of the "Christians," you know, the member
of
> society everybody is "allowed" to tear down and show hate toward. They
even
> have the NERVE to say God doesn't "like" gay people. Well, how does that
> sit with the love of God?
>
Yes indeed. Fundamentalism doesn't survive logic very well either. In the
book, Jesus says to ask anything in His Name and it will be given - this
suggests that if we ask for anything that is in accordance with God's will
it will be granted. Now, fundamentalists love to say that homosexuality is
an 'abomination' to God and that homosexuals will never enter heaven. [They
say this because of selective application of Levitical Law, of which they
choose not to apply the rest, and because of biased mis-translations of
Paul's letters]. So, to the misguided fundamentalist, the book is telling
him (1) God will grant ANY prayer, provided it is in line with His will, and
(2) that homosexuality is contrary to God's will.
So, world-wide, throughout history for 2000 years, homosexuals have prayed
to have their sexual orientation changed, and others have prayed for them,
and God will grant ANY prayer that is in accordance with His will, and
according to the fundamentalists, homosexuality is contrary to His will.
So how come I have NEVER heard of even ONE truly reliable instance where God
has changed the sexual orientation of someone from gay to straight following
prayer? There must have been millions of sincere heart-felt prayers
throughout the 2000 years since Christ's time on Earth, on this subject.
That leaves several options:-
(1) There is no God [But I earnestly believe there is- although I can't
'prove' it]
(2) There is a God, but he doesn't give a monkey's [But I believe He sent
His Son to die for us]
(3) That Jesus wasn't telling the truth when He said, Ask anything in His
Name and it will be given [But I believe He was always truthful]
(4) That God is vindictive and creates gay people and refuses to change
them [But that doesn't make sense when the God of Love sent His Son to die
for us....]
(5) That God can't change them [But I believe he is omni-potent]
(6) That God chooses not to change the orientation of gay people because it
isn't in accordance with His will to do so - He made them that way and Loves
them the way they are. If they, or homosexuality, were truly unacceptable,
He surely would change them after prayer, especially as He PROMISED 'ask in
my Name and it will be given'.
To me, as a believing Christian, it is this last option that is the only one
that makes sense. God has told us, by the repeated non- answering of
prayers to make gay people straight throughout 2000 years, that it is not in
accordance with His will to make gay people straight. Hence, it is OK for
people to be gay, and God loves them for who they are and so must we, as we
have been COMMANDED to.
Peace,
Timothy <><
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
and corrupted reprobate of Truth, in this God-forsaken ....news:5xy9b.12$2h5....@newsfep2-gui.server.ntli.net...
Jude
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <Nospamever@.com.> wrote in message
> What a desperate, spiritual destitute, dummy of dummies, is this heretic
> and corrupted reprobate of Truth, in this God-forsaken ...
You CAN'T debate, can you?
Jude
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <Nospamever@.com.> wrote in message
You DON'T know who will be in heaven or hell. You believe what a book tells
you.
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"Jude" <Ju...@nunyabiznez.usa> wrote in message
>
> "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <Nospamever@.com.> wrote in message
> news:Ouy9b.37$D7...@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net...
> > welcome in his kingdom, but they have been forbidden entry.
> > "9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do
> > not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor
adulterers
> > nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders,10 nor thieves nor the
kingdom of
> God."
> > 1 Cor 6:9-10 (NIV)
> You DON'T know who will be in heaven or hell.
"Hell" Fornicating Homosexuals will be.
That is guaranteed.
>You believe what a book tells
> you.
The HOLY BIBLE.
Absolutely.....
Jude
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <Nospamever@.com.> wrote in message
Feel better?
>
Ben
Every so often someone begins a thread about homosexuals......... a never
ending story. Those who do this have no idea that they condemn themselves,
because they themselves are homosexuals. Yes, that's what the word of God
says.
Here it is:
Romans 2:1 Therefore you are without excuse, O man, whoever you are who
judge. For in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself. For you
who judge practice the same things.
So you should shut your mouth about homosexuals, for you are revealing
yourself.
Also, many who discuss this subject always refer to these verses below:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit
the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor
adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor
thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortionists, shall
inherit the kingdom of God."
As though these two verses only spoke of homosexuals. My goodness, they
speak of a billion more people than homosexuals, and they what makes them
think all those others are any better in the sight of God????
Who do you know that is NOT a fornicator these days?
Who do you know that is NOT an Idolater? That is - placing something before
God in your life?
Who do you know who is NOT an adulterer? I know very few.
Who do you know who is not a thief? I don't know any.
Who do you know who is NOT covetous, or a drunk, or revilers (these are
people who are always starting a fight), or extortionists (people trying to
get something out of you), and who do you know that doesn't abuse themselves
with mankind (that covers a lot of intimate territory).
BUT MOST OF ALL - WHICH OF ALL THESE THINGS ARE YOU NOT GUILTY OF??? EVEN
IF YOU LAY ASIDE THE HOMOSEXUALS?????
Yes, if I were you, I would lay off discussing this subject of homosexuals,
for you are only revealing that YOU are a homosexual. And you read it in
the word of God.
Rather, Let's warn all those others, mentioned above, of their fate unless
they repent........... What do you think????????????????
Ben
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <Nospamever@.com.> wrote in message
news:I64ab.557$te.3...@newsfep2-gui.server.ntli.net...
Jude
"Ben" <B...@gt.rr.com> wrote in message
news:uC8ab.41416$834....@twister.austin.rr.com...
Ben,
You come across at least more reasonable than all these others.
I have something for you to ponder. If homosexuality is a sin, and sin is
something that is common to all, then why aren't all people attracted to
members of the same gender as a common temptation or whatever? All people
are tempted to commit all the other "sins."
timoffy
Timothy <><
"Ben" <B...@gt.rr.com> wrote in message
news:uC8ab.41416$834....@twister.austin.rr.com...
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
> Or, to put it another way, "Let he who is without sin cast the first
stone".
The only ones casting stones which kill, are the likes of you who are
leading Homosexuals to their certain death.
Jeff...
---------------------------
Ben
>
> You come across at least more reasonable than all these others.
>
> I have something for you to ponder. If homosexuality is a sin, and sin is
> something that is common to all, then why aren't all people attracted to
> members of the same gender as a common temptation or whatever? All people
> are tempted to commit all the other "sins."
>
Dear Jude:
That is a presumption on your part.
You have no idea how many millions, perhaps billions, have those same
temptations, but wouldn't dare admit it.
I have counseled with a few thousand in the last 40 years, and have
discovered many "straight" people who admit to being tempted in this area,
but would NEVER speak of it to anyone.
It is no big secret that this kind of sin has been around for thousands of
years, and recorded in the bible.
But let's be honest - it is only one of many other thousands of sins.
My query is this: Why do we point out just one sin above them all?
Aren't the others just as sinful? Is one sin worse than the others?
Not really!!!!!
How many crimes must a person commit to be called a criminal? Just one!!!
How many sins must a person commit to be called a sinner? Just one!!!
Consider what James says:
James 2:9-13 "but if ye have respect of persons, ye commit sin, being
convicted by the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole
law, and yet stumble in one point, he is become guilty of all. For he that
said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou dost not
commit adultery, but kills, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So
speak ye, and so do, as men that are to be judged by a law of liberty. For
judgment is without mercy to him that hath showed no mercy: mercy glories
against judgment."
Ben
"Jude" <Ju...@nunyabiznez.usa> wrote in message
news:hN9ab.221$16...@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Ben
BEN
"timoffy" <tim...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:a2cab.26$823....@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...
Ben
John 8:47 "He who is of God hears the words of God. For this cause you
don't hear, because you are not of God."
Ben
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <Nospamever@.com.> wrote in message
news:Xncab.33$uk...@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net...
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"For evil men and seducers shall wax WORSE and WORSE deceiving and being
deceived"
"Ben" <B...@gt.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xwdab.43632$834....@twister.austin.rr.com...
Jude
> > Ben,
> >
> > You come across at least more reasonable than all these others.
> >
> > I have something for you to ponder. If homosexuality is a sin, and sin
is
> > something that is common to all, then why aren't all people attracted to
> > members of the same gender as a common temptation or whatever? All
people
> > are tempted to commit all the other "sins."
> >
>
> Dear Jude:
>
> That is a presumption on your part.
> You have no idea how many millions, perhaps billions, have those same
> temptations, but wouldn't dare admit it.
>
> I have counseled with a few thousand in the last 40 years, and have
> discovered many "straight" people who admit to being tempted in this area,
> but would NEVER speak of it to anyone.
Okay, roughly what % of people you couseled admitted to be attracted to
members of the same gender?
Ben
communicating with.
Second - you can take any scriptures to say just exactly what you wish it to
say, but is not applicable to the subject at hand.
Third - your vehemence proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you yourself
are a homosexual. So says the word of God.
Hear the word of God:
Romans 2:1 Therefore you are without excuse, O man, whoever you are who
judge. For in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself. For you
who judge practice the same things.
"skirts" are showing.
Ben
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <Nospamever@.com.> wrote in message
news:1Giab.94$uk...@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net...
Ben
> members of the same gender?
>
Dear Jude;
When I first began counseling people I was surprised to find first one, then
two, then 5, and after that I stopped counting. But through the years I was
alarmed to find that nearly 40 to 50% would admit to this temptation, though
very few gave in to this temptation. Mostly because their nature wouldn't
permit them. They were too ashamed to ever do such things. I know that we
have a tendency to call these "closet homosexuals".
But, this is only one particular sin we are talking about. What of the
hundreds of sins that everyone is bombarded with all day long???
Homosexuality is not the only sin that a homosexual struggles with. He/she
has many, many more sins that they struggle with, in their lives.
Ben
"Jude" <Ju...@nunyabiznez.usa> wrote in message
news:NZjab.2276$Mv6....@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
Jude
> > Okay, roughly what % of people you couseled admitted to be attracted to
> > members of the same gender?
> >
>
> Dear Jude;
>
> When I first began counseling people I was surprised to find first one,
then
> two, then 5, and after that I stopped counting. But through the years I
was
> alarmed to find that nearly 40 to 50% would admit to this temptation,
though
> very few gave in to this temptation. Mostly because their nature wouldn't
> permit them. They were too ashamed to ever do such things. I know that
we
> have a tendency to call these "closet homosexuals".
> But, this is only one particular sin we are talking about. What of the
> hundreds of sins that everyone is bombarded with all day long???
> Homosexuality is not the only sin that a homosexual struggles with.
He/she
> has many, many more sins that they struggle with, in their lives.
I don't agree with what you've done in your head regarding people who have
admitted they have THOUGHT about sex with a member of the same sex. Were
they mostly men or 50/50 men/women? I've heard that a LOT of young men do
homosexual acts, not unlike prisoners, for NO other reason than the ease of
access. I think a lot of heterosexual men play with homosexual acts but are
not homosexual.
I see that true homosexuals are born homosexuals. I have a gay sister and
through her I've meet quite a few gay people. There are been homosexuals
who tried to turn straight and only lives lives of misery. Heterosexual sex
during ALL those years didn't make them heterosexual.
Most homosexuals I know were understood to be different from their
childhood. Iow, their parents knew their kids were different. That's why
some parents freak out if their boys and girls don't line up with society's
mandatory gender roles....
However, what about the other 50% who never even think about committing a
sexual act with a member of the same gender? If homosexuality is ONLY a
sin, then ALL people would be somewhat homoerotic.
If you're a history lover, you probably know of many civilizations that man
on man sex was done regularly with no shame put on it. Yet, these same
civilizations had most of the laws of mutual respect between citizens that
make up the "golden rule."
I still stand by the simple statement: If homosexuality is a sin, then when
was the last time you or I or anybody else on this newsgroups willing to
respond was tempted to do it? We've ALL sinned sexually by masturbating
according to the bible. It seems that sexual sins, as outlined by the
bible, is common to all/most. I have only met ONE person in my whole life
that never masturbated. This particular person was so incrediblity molested
by numerous people during childhood that the person was complete shutdown
sexually.
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"Ben" <B...@gt.rr.com> wrote in message
> Third - your vehemence proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you yourself
> are a homosexual.
<Grinning and shaking one's head from left to right>
Not just a dummy, but a liar too.
But is it so surprising?
"For evil men and seducers shall wax WORSE and WORSE, deceiving others as
well as themselves"
Jeff...
timoffy
that's why a hard-line fundamentalist 'one-size-fits-all' set of regulations
can never be applied to all circumstances. Statistics I have studied give
varying percentage rates for the instance of homosexuality, and since I
haven't kept the books or records I studied from, I can't give references.
However, it would seem to be at least 4 to 5% of people are virtually
exclusively homosexual, with a further 4 to 5% having a strong attraction to
their own gender, whilst still being able to function heterosexually, as
very much a 'second best' for them. This puts a figure of around 8 to 10%
of people who would be considered 'homosexual', if the definition is 'being
attracted to one's own gender'. However, this also excludes people who are
predominately hetrosexual, but have also a lesser attraction to their own
sex.
The most conservative estimates put the figure as low as 1% for people who
are exclusively homosexual, but that is almost certainly too low. The issue
is SO emotive that some people are reluctant to admit such leanings even to
themselves, let alone on an anonymous questionnaire.
What most studies seem to agree on is that the figures are fairly constant
across cultures, national boundaries and throughout history.
This means that homosexuality is a part of human nature, and studies also
indicate that a very high percentage of males have at least one homosexual
experience during lifetime, especially if one includes infantile
experimentation with other youngsters during puberty. It could be as high
as 20 to 25%.
Further to this, there are a small minority of people who are born
transgendered, ie actually physically 'between the sexes', and having
genitalia that have a mix of male and female characteristics. Also there
are people who feel inside that they are one sex, whilst having the physical
body of the other (this is not the same as being homosexual), such people
often dress in the clothing of their 'mental' gender, and may well desire a
sex-change, 'trans-sexuals'.
Human beings are essentially sexual in nature, and engage in sexual activity
for many more reasons than purely reproductive. To express our sexuality
physically with other human beings is a part of our nature and in-built
instinct. The fact that SOME of this activity results in reproduction
ensures the future of the human race - however, it is clearly true that MOST
sexual activity does NOT result in reproduction - sex has other important
roles for our species.
It is therefore unkind and unfair, and indeed immorally discriminatory to
attempt by law, force or shame, to prevent individuals expressing their
sexuality with other consenting adults (or at least, above the 'age of
consent'). I have always maintained that this is a private matter and
between themselves and God.
The slogan, "All people are equal members of our One Human Family" is
helpful. We should remember that all humanity is God-created, and contains
a wonderful rich diversity. No-one has the right to discriminate against
others, instead we as Christians are commanded to Love God and Love our
neighbour as ourselves. We should concentrate on how we live our OWN lives
according to our beliefs, and not judge others, because we have been warned
against that very thing. It is by the way we as Christians love one-another
and practically help and support people in the wider community that we show
the Truth of God and Christ Jesus to the rest of humanity. Not by hatred
and condemnation.
Peace of Christ,
Timothy <><
"Jude" <Ju...@nunyabiznez.usa> wrote in message
news:ocpab.19022$1u6....@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
timoffy
be gay themselves, and unable to face up to it or live with it.
Timothy <><
"Ben" <B...@gt.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Gkmab.44591$834....@twister.austin.rr.com...
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
> If it's any help, people don't fit into convenient 'boxes' or categories -
> that's why a hard-line fundamentalist 'one-size-fits-all' set of
regulations
> can never be applied to all circumstances.
It can in God's eyes, and it has.
Either hearken to Scripture commands and Apostolic doctrine, or lose the
friendship of Christ, and perish.
'Fornicating' Homosexuals fail abysmally, so they are doomed just as the
Scripture warns, but fools and the deceived will not take any notice, that
is God's plan, to destroy those who refuse to hearken to His Scripture.
Dummies indeed.
" Be ye followers of me, [Paul] even as I also am of Christ.
Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the
ordinances, as I delivered them to you."
1 Cor 11:1-2 (KJV)
Jeff...
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
> Indeed, the most strongly 'homophobic' people in society often turn out to
> be gay themselves, and unable to face up to it or live with it.
What a load of contemptable unadulterated rubbish.
You won't be be calling Paul a homosexual before long, will you?
You told me to guess if you had become one yourself.
It only needs your conformation Tim, and I will now believe it with all my
heart.
Jeff...
timoffy
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <Nospamever@.com.> wrote in message
None of your business Jeff. I can guess about you, and you can guess about
me.
Timothy <><
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"What'soever is in the heart overfloweth into the mouth"
Jude
> If it's any help, people don't fit into convenient 'boxes' or categories -
> that's why a hard-line fundamentalist 'one-size-fits-all' set of
regulations
> can never be applied to all circumstances. Statistics I have studied give
> varying percentage rates for the instance of homosexuality, and since I
> haven't kept the books or records I studied from, I can't give references.
> However, it would seem to be at least 4 to 5% of people are virtually
> exclusively homosexual, with a further 4 to 5% having a strong attraction
to
> their own gender, whilst still being able to function heterosexually, as
> very much a 'second best' for them. This puts a figure of around 8 to 10%
> of people who would be considered 'homosexual', if the definition is
'being
> attracted to one's own gender'. However, this also excludes people who
are
> predominately hetrosexual, but have also a lesser attraction to their own
> sex.
>
> The most conservative estimates put the figure as low as 1% for people who
> are exclusively homosexual, but that is almost certainly too low. The
issue
> is SO emotive that some people are reluctant to admit such leanings even
to
> themselves, let alone on an anonymous questionnaire.
I agree with this. Realistic statistics WILL be hard to find until
homosexuals have no fear of being found out and eventually discriminated
against. Even anonymous questionnaires carry a risk for people in high
exposure or high ranking jobs. I don't think they would be willing to take
ANY chance of being discovered.
SOO, what you've got is anywhere from 1% to 10%? My sister says the same
thing.
Pauline Clone
"Ben" <B...@gt.rr.com> wrote in message
news:uC8ab.41416$834....@twister.austin.rr.com...
Slicknick
all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound
doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching
ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
> Jude invented a quote:
> How correct you are. Was it Shakespear or Pascal who said "People never do
> evil more cheerfully than in the name of religion.
----------------------------------------------
Slicknick
quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season,
out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will
come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to
themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth,
and shall be turned unto fables.
> Jude promotes long standing error:
> Anyway, Jeff and his elk like to give perfect trust to other men who
> translated bible text but I HAVE looked at different bible text on other
> subjects and there HAVE been significant changes to words that DID change
> the direct meaning of the text.
Jude
"Slicknick" <longh...@nospambingo.net> wrote in message
news:WGxjb.8630$cT6.4...@news20.bellglobal.com...
I guess that quote spoke something to you, huh? Have you ever heard that
when you throw a old shoe into a pack of dogs, the only ones that whelps is
the one hit?
Btw, I DIDN'T make up the quote and I DID find out it was Pascal. Look it
up.
Jude
Slick,
I'm NOT going to engage you in an endless stupid back and forth head game
that I can see you're SO wanting to enter.
In fact, this is the last communication I'm going to have directly with you.
So, goodbye and have a much better life than the one you wish me...
Jude
james
says about Homosexuals" by Dr. J. B. Buffington it is
http://www.buffingtonministries.com
Slicknick
will every one do the imagination of his evil heart. Rom. 12:2 And be not conformed to this
world: but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that
good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For I say, through the grace given unto me,
to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think;
but to think soberly, according as God has dealt to every man the measure of faith.