Re: Khazars in reality.
Tilly
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> You will find that approximately 90% of people in the world today who call
> themselves Jews are actually Khazars, or as they like to be known,
> Ashkenazi
> Jews. These people knowingly lie to the world with their claims that the
> land of
> Israel is theirs by birthright, when in actual fact their real homeland is
> over
> 800 miles away in Georgia.
>
> So, next time you hear an Israeli Prime Minister bleating about the so-
> called
> persecution of the Jews, consider this, every Prime Minister of Israel has
> been
> an Ashkenazi Jew. Therefore when all these Prime Ministers have curried
> favour
> with the West for their re-establishment of a Jewish homeland, they have
> knowingly and deliberately lied to you, as they were never from that
> region, and
> they well know it, because it is they who call themselves Ashkenazi Jews.
>
> The Book of Revelation, Chapter 2, Verse 9, states the following which
> would
> appear to be about these Ashkenazi Jews:
>
> "I know thy works, and tribulation and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I
> know
> the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the
> synagogue of Satan."
> --
> "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor
> to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
> Anatole France.
Your ignnorance and blatant Jew hatred is showing.
New genetic study shows that most Ashkenazim are Middle Eastern-
European hybrids whose closest genetic cousins are Palestinians.
Genetic evidence in the last several years has shown that most Ashkenazic
Jews
are Middle Eastern-European hybrids. They are genetically descendent from
the people of the Middle East.
But a new study hints that there was a good bit of fooling around in
southern Europe in the old days. Those Italian girls! And, guess who are
their closest genetic cousins? Palestinians.
Whether Jews are a people, a religion, a tribe, has long been a matter of
argument.One result, since the Holocaust, is the belief that the Jews were
not really a people, just a religion. It also was speculated that most Jews
may be descendants of converts like the Khazars in the Caucuses and really
share very little historically.
See Arthur Koestler. But DNA evidence, going back almost a generation has
disproven that notion. A new study confirms that. Ashkenazim around the word
are mostly more alike among themselves then they are with non-Jews. Most can
trace their ancestry back to what is now Israel and the surrounding areas.
Scientists in Israel and the U.S., using genetic markers called genomic
microsatellites studied 78 individuals from four Jewish groups around the
world and compared them to 321 individuals from 12 non-Jewish populations.
They found:
Jewish populations showed a high level of genetic similarity to each
other, clustering together in several types of analysis of population
structure. Further, Bayesian clustering, neighbor-joining trees, and
multidimensional scaling place the Jewish populations as intermediate
between the non-Jewish Middle Eastern and European populations.
These results support the view that the Jewish populations largely
share a common Middle Eastern ancestry and that over their history they
have undergone varying degrees of admixture with non-Jewish populations of
European descent.
In other words, a shared ancestry. A peoplehood.
But here were two surprises in the study, published in BMC Genetics. One,
although most Ashkenazim come from the northern part of Europe, most of the
European genes come from southern Europe--Italy, Greece, Sardinia. One guess
is that most of the intermarriages and assimilation happened after the Jews
dispersed from the Middle East during the years of the Roman Empire, at
least more so than in later years when they wound up in Germany and Poland
during the Middle Ages. Then, they generally were sequestered in ghettos and
in villages or parts of cities and had limited interaction with surrounding
populations until the beginning of the 19th century.
And the second surprise is that the group of people closest genetically to
the Jews are Palestinians. Both come from the Levant area and Mesopotamia.
That could be that many Palestinians are likely of original Jewish or
Samaritan origin.
Combatants in the Middle East might note.
colp
> You will find that approximately 90% of people in the world today who call
> themselves Jews are actually Khazars, or as they like to be known, Ashkenazi
> Jews. These people knowingly lie to the world with their claims that the land of
> Israel is theirs by birthright, when in actual fact their real homeland is over
> 800 miles away in Georgia.
>
> So, next time you hear an Israeli Prime Minister bleating about the so- called
> persecution of the Jews, consider this, every Prime Minister of Israel has been
> an Ashkenazi Jew. Therefore when all these Prime Ministers have curried favour
> with the West for their re-establishment of a Jewish homeland, they have
> knowingly and deliberately lied to you, as they were never from that region, and
> they well know it, because it is they who call themselves Ashkenazi Jews.
>
> The Book of Revelation, Chapter 2, Verse 9, states the following which would
> appear to be about these Ashkenazi Jews:
>
> "I know thy works, and tribulation and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know
> the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the
> synagogue of Satan."
The verse was written to one of the seven "congregations" of Asia
(today Turkey), at a time well before the middle ages which saw the
advent of Ashkenazi Judaism in western Europe. While Ashkenazi could
well be amongst the "synagogue of satan", it would be unwise to think
that they are the only ones.
An example of the persecution of Sephardic Jews by Ashkenazi is
described in the film called "The Ringworm Children".
From IsraelInsider:
"The Ringworm Children" (translated in Hebrew as "100,000 Rays"),
directed by David Belhassen and Asher Hemias, recently won the prize
for "best documentary" at the Haifa International film festival, and
in the past year has made the rounds of Jewish and Israeli film
festivals around the world. But it had yet to come to Israeli
television screens. The subject is the mass irradiation of hundreds of
thousands of young Israeli immigrants from Middle Eastern countries --
Sephardim, as they are called today. The story goes like this:
In 1951, the director general of the Israeli Health Ministry, Dr.
Chaim Sheba, flew to America and returned with seven x-ray machines,
supplied to him by the American army.
They were to be used in a mass atomic experiment with an entire
generation of Sephardi youths to be used as guinea pigs. Every
Sephardi child was to be given 35,000 times the maximum dose of x-rays
through his head. For doing so, the American government paid the
Israeli government 300 million Israeli liras a year. The entire Health
budget was 60 million liras. The money paid by the Americans is
equivalent to billions of dollars today.
To fool the parents of the victims, the children were taken away on
"school trips" and their parents were later told the x-rays were a
treatment for the scourge of scalpal ringworm. 6,000 of the children
died shortly after their doses were given, while many of the rest
developed cancers that killed thousands over time and are still
killing them now. While living, the victims suffered from disorders
such as epilepsy, amnesia, Alzheimer's disease, chronic headaches and
psychosis.
Tilly
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Male lineages: Y chromosomal DNA
A study of haplotypes of the Y chromosome, published in 2000, addressed the
paternal origins of Ashkenazi Jews. Hammer et al. found that the Y
chromosome of some Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews contained mutations that are
also common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general
European population. This suggested that the male ancestors of the Ashkenazi
Jews could be traced mostly to the Middle East. The proportion of male
genetic admixture in Ashkenazi Jews amounts to less than 0.5% per generation
over an estimated 80 generations, with "relatively minor contribution of
European Y chromosomes to the Ashkenazim," and a total admixture estimate
"very similar to Motulsky's average estimate of 12.5%." This supported the
finding that "Diaspora Jews from Europe, Northwest Africa, and the Near East
resemble each other more closely than they resemble their non-Jewish
neighbors."
2001 study by Nebel et al. showed that both Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jewish
populations share the same overall paternal Near Eastern ancestries. The
authors also report on Eu 19 chromosomes, which are very frequent in Eastern
Europeans (54%-60%) at elevated frequency (12.7%) in Ashkenazi Jews. They
hypothesized that these chromosomes could reflect low-level gene flow from
surrounding Eastern European populations, or, alternatively, that both the
Ashkenazi Jews with Eu 19, and to a much greater extent Eastern European
populations in general, might partly be descendants of Khazars. Again, this
study suggested a total male admixture estimation that is no larger than
~12.5%
A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers,
showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and
Middle Eastern groups than to their host populations in Europe. However,
11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to R-M17, the dominant Y
chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow.
The authors hypothesized that "R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent
vestiges of the mysterious Khazars". They concluded "However, if the R-M17
chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the
mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was
limited to to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does
not exceed ~ 12% of the present-day Ashkenazim.19]
A 2003 study of the Y-chromosome by Behar et al. points to multiple origins
for Ashkenazi Levites, a priestly class who comprise approximately 4% of
Ashkenazi Jews. It found that Haplogroup R1a, uncommon in the Middle East or
among Sephardic Jews, originating in Central Asia and dominant in Eastern
Europe, is present in over 50% of Ashkenazi Levites. While the rest of
Ashkenazi levites' paternal lineage is of Middle Eastern origin. Behar
suggests a founding event, probably involving one or very few European men,
occurring at a time close to the initial formation and settlement of the
Ashkenazi community as a possible explanation. Ashkenazi and Sephardic
Cohanim and Israelites, on the other hand, were found to share the same
genetic signature, originating in the Middle East 2000 years earlier.
Female lineages: Mitochondrial DNA
Before 2006, geneticists largely attributed the genesis of most of the
world's Jewish populations, including Ashkenazi Jews, to founding effects by
males who migrated from the Middle East and "by the women from each local
population whom they took as wives and converted to Judaism." In line with
this model of origin, David Goldstein, now of Duke University, reported in
2002 that, unlike male lineages, the female lineages in Ashkenazi Jewish
communities "did not seem to be Middle Eastern", and that each community had
its own genetic pattern and even that "in some cases the mitochondrial DNA
was closely related to that of the host community." In his view this
suggested "that Jewish men had arrived from the Middle East, taken wives
from the host population and converted them to Judaism, after which there
was no further intermarriage with non-Jews."[
However, a 2006 study by Behar et al.,[1], based on high-resolution analysis
of haplogroup K(mtDNA), suggested that about 40% of the current Ashkenazi
population is descended matrilineally from just four women, or "founder
lineages", that were "likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool" originating
in the Middle East in the first and second centuries CE. Although Haplogroup
K is common throughout western Eurasia, "the observed global pattern of
distribution renders very unlikely the possibility that the four
aforementioned founder lineages entered the Ashkenazi mtDNA pool via gene
flow from a European host population:
"..Both the extent and location of the maternal ancestral deme from which
the Ashkenazi Jewry arose remain obscure. Here, using complete sequences of
the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), we show that close to
one-half of Ashkenazi Jews, estimated at 8,000,000 people, can be traced
back to only four women carrying distinct mtDNAs that are virtually absent
in other populations, with the important exception of low frequencies among
non-Ashkenazi Jews. We conclude that four founding mtDNAs, likely of Near
Eastern ancestry, underwent major expansion(s) in Europe within the past
millennium.."[
In addition, Behar et al. have suggested that the rest of Ashkenazi mtDNA
is originated from ~150 women, most of those likely of Middle Eastern
origin.[1]
Genome-wide association study
In genetic epidemiology, a genome-wide association study (GWA study, or
GWAS) is an examination of genetic variation across a given genome, designed
to identify genetic associations with observable traits. In human studies,
this might include traits such as blood pressure or weight, or why some
people get a disease or condition.A 2007 study by Bauchet et al. found that
Ashkenazi Jews were most closely clustered with Arabic North African
populations, and in the European structure analysis they share similarities
only with Greeks and Southern Italians, reflecting their East Mediterranean
origins
Tilly
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From IsraelInsider:
http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/3998.htm
What you seem to be suggesting is that the mass treatment of ringworm of
Sephardi children
was a racist undertaking.It was not. Thousands of Sephradi children
contracted it frombeing in close contact with each other. ( it is highly
contagious) There were no drugs to treat it as there are today. It was the
Americans who suggested the only way of treating these children was the use
of low dose xrays. The aim was curing them .
colp
> "Br. Scooter" <br.scoo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I have hated the congregation of evil doers; and will not sit with the
wicked.
Psalm 26:5
>
> New genetic study shows that most Ashkenazim are Middle Eastern-
> European hybrids whose closest genetic cousins are Palestinians.
Are how does this establish their birthright, exactly?
Which makes the actions of Od Yosef Hai yeshiva most foolish, don't
you think?
Tilly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AenISgolLe0
Yes and most people think they are foolish and an embarrassment.
Tilly
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AenISgolLe0
So much for Scooter's racist Khazar theory on Ashkenazis.
colp
> http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/3998.htm
>
> What you seem to be suggesting is that the mass treatment of ringworm of
> Sephardi children
> was a racist undertaking.
Yes.
> It was not. Thousands of Sephradi children
> contracted it frombeing in close contact with each other. ( it is highly
> contagious).
So why were the Ashkenazi children who were in the same schools as the
Sephardi children excluded from the treatment?
> There were no drugs to treat it as there are today. It was the
> Americans who suggested the only way of treating these children was the use
> of low dose xrays.
But it wasn't a low dose. According to IsraelInsider the dosage was
35,000 times the maximum, presumably meaning 35,000 times today's
"safe" dosage.
> The aim was curing them .
If that was the aim, then why were the Askenazis paid such a large
amount of money to conduct the experiment?
Tilly
Yes.
Because it involved buying US equipment to do i which meant jobs for US
citizens etc....nt.
I presume you realise that all the money that Israel gets from the US now
has to be used to purchase US arms etc..........
Tilly
> "colp" <co...@solder.ath.cx> wrote in message
> news:e3721271-c2ca-43a8...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 2, 9:45 pm, "Tilly" <paul1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/3998.htm
>>
>> What you seem to be suggesting is that the mass treatment of ringworm of
>> Sephardi children
>> was a racist undertaking.
>
> Yes.
>
>> It was not. Thousands of Sephradi children
>> contracted it frombeing in close contact with each other. ( it is highly
>> contagious).
>
> So why were the Ashkenazi children who were in the same schools as the
> Sephardi children excluded from the treatment?
They weren't in the same schools.
The Sephardi children were new immigrants in new immigrant camps and
schools.
h>
>> There were no drugs to treat it as there are today. It was the
>> Americans who suggested the only way of treating these children was the
>> use
>> of low dose xrays.
>
> But it wasn't a low dose. According to IsraelInsider the dosage was
> 35,000 times the maximum, presumably meaning 35,000 times today's
> "safe" dosage.
The dose advised by the Americans.
>
>> The aim was curing them .
>
> If that was the aim, then why were the Askenazis paid such a large
> amount of money to conduct the experiment?
>
>
>
> Because it involved buying US equipment to do i which meant jobs for US
> citizens etc....nt.
> I presume you realise that all the money that Israel gets from the US now
> has to be used to purchase US arms etc..........
>
> --
> femai...@gmail.com
>
Tilly
> On , , Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:46:41 +1300, Re: Khazars in reality., "Tilly"
> Heres the question again: If that was the aim, then why were the Askenazis
> paid
> such a large amount of money to conduct the experiment?
The Ashkenazis weren't paid, the Israeli Government was.
>
>>I presume you realise that all the money that Israel gets from the US now
>>has to be used to purchase US arms etc..........
>
> --
> "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor
> to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
> Anatole France.
Tilly
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> On , , Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:46:41 +1300, Re: Khazars in reality., "Tilly"
> <paul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> such a large amount of money to conduct the experiment?
The nmajority of Sephardis didn't arrive in Israel until the early 1950's
when they were thrown out of the Arab states.
The Ashkenazis arrived after the Holocaust.
The money was paid to the Israeli Govenment not to the Ashkenazis.
>
>>I presume you realise that all the money that Israel gets from the US now
>>has to be used to purchase US arms etc..........
>
> --
Lyndon Watson
> the Jews are Palestinians. Both come from the Levant area and Mesopotamia.
> That could be that many Palestinians are likely of original Jewish or
> Samaritan origin.
It shouldn't be a surprise. History and archaeology show no mass
immigration into Palestine since the Assyrian and Babylonian
population transfers, and even those are not known to have been large
enough to make substantial changes in the genetic make-up of the
country. During the Roman Empire there were large-scale conversions
to Christianity and, until the 10th Century, Palestine was a Christian
country, and after that mixed Christian and Moslem with small Jewish
and Samaritan minorities. But still the same people who had lived
there since time immemorial.
If people of the Jewish religion are descended from the ancient
population of Palestine, then it would be very surprising if they were
not genetically close to the modern Palestinians.
LW
Tilly
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LW
It comes as no surprise to Jews.
Yet Scooter claims Ashkenazi Jews are Khazars. (straight from websites such
as Stormfront ,vanguard and ihr.
colp
> "Tilly" <paul1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hholt4$nae$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
> > "colp" <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote in message
> >news:e3721271-c2ca-43a8...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jan 2, 9:45 pm, "Tilly" <paul1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/3998.htm
>
> >> What you seem to be suggesting is that the mass treatment of ringworm of
> >> Sephardi children
> >> was a racist undertaking.
>
> > Yes.
>
> >> It was not. Thousands of Sephradi children
> >> contracted it frombeing in close contact with each other. ( it is highly
> >> contagious).
>
> > So why were the Ashkenazi children who were in the same schools as the
> > Sephardi children excluded from the treatment?
>
> They weren't in the same schools.
> The Sephardi children were new immigrants in new immigrant camps and
> schools.
Maybe some of them were, but one witness speaks of mixed schools:
David Deri makes the point that only Sephardi children received the x-
rays: "I was in class and the men came to take us on a tour. They
asked our names. The Ashkenazi children were told to return to their
seats. The dark children were put on the bus."
colp
> "Br. Scooter" <br.scoo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:66tvj5t0ur1mqv92g...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On , , Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:46:41 +1300, Re: Khazars in reality., "Tilly"
>
> >>"colp" <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote in message
Ashkenazis are the political elite of Israel, not Sephardim.
Ashkenazis were closely linked to the Zionists who established the
political state of Israel.
The American government paid the Israeli government 300 million
Israeli liras a year when the entire Health budget was 60 million
liras. This was blood money, not cash solely to purchase radiological
equipment.
Tilly
The Ashkenazis were the political elite, these days there are plenty of
Sephardi,Mizrahi etc. in senior posts in Governement.........At that time
the Government was almost exclusively Ashkenzi, the
Sephardi, Mizrahi that were there were predominantly but not exclusively
new immigrants.There were ME Jews who had been there for millenia.
It was the government that was paid not the Ashkenazi.
I note you don't mention the US Government's role in the affair. Are you
suggesting they paid the money because the Government was Ashkenazi.ie.that
they were racist? I would suggest they saw an opportunity for an experiment
they didn't have to carry out on Americans..
The Ashkenazis were closely linked to the Zionists who established the
political state of Israel.
No one would argue with that.
The American government paid the Israeli government 300 million
Israeli liras a year when the entire Health budget was 60 million
liras. This was blood money, not cash solely to purchase radiological
equipment.
Do you realise that every single cent the Israeli has received and still
receives has to be spent as the US prescribes.?
There is no free lunch.
Not just in Israel, everywhere. In Iraq, Yemen etc....That is why the
Pakistanis are complaining about the money they are receiving now, they have
to spend it in a way that benefits the Americans, not necessaily in a way
that benefits them most..
colp
> Ashkenazis are the political elite of Israel, not Sephardim.
>
> The Ashkenazis were the political elite, these days there are plenty of
> Sephardi,Mizrahi etc. in senior posts in Governement.........At that time
> the Government was almost exclusively Ashkenzi, the
> Sephardi, Mizrahi that were there were predominantly but not exclusively
> new immigrants.There were ME Jews who had been there for millenia.
>
> It was the government that was paid not the Ashkenazi.
A government that was operating in alignment with Ashkenazi goals
> I note you don't mention the US Government's role in the affair. Are you
> suggesting they paid the money because the Government was Ashkenazi.ie.that
> they were racist?
My opinion is that they were paid the money because of the Zionist
influence in US politics, with the goal of strengthening the role of
the political state of Israel at the expense of those who had a claim
to the land by birthright.
> I would suggest they saw an opportunity for an experiment
> they didn't have to carry out on Americans..
The hazards of radiation were well known at the time. A lawful
scientific experiment would return no information of value.
>
colp:
> The Ashkenazis were closely linked to the Zionists who established the
> political state of Israel.
>
tilly:
> No one would argue with that.
>
colp:
> The American government paid the Israeli government 300 million
> Israeli liras a year when the entire Health budget was 60 million
> liras. This was blood money, not cash solely to purchase radiological
> equipment.
>
tilly:
> Do you realise that every single cent the Israeli has received and still
> receives has to be spent as the US prescribes.?
It matters not when American or American/Israeli (i.e. dual
citizenship) Zionists were behind the US funding. - The money was
still spend according to the Zionist agenda.
Tilly
Rubbish.
FACT:
An estimated 20,000 Israeli individuals, particularly children, who were
treated between 1948 and 1960 for tinea capitis (ringworm)
An estimated 200,000 children worldwide received X-ray treatment for tinea
capitis in accordance with the standard Adamson-Kienbock procedure between
1910 and 1959, until griseofulvin, the first effective antifungal agent for
ringworm, was introduced. X-ray treatment for ringworm were demonstrated as
early as 1903.
Tilly
The Ringworm Children directed by David Belhassen and Asher Hemias. The
documentary won the award for "Best Documentary" at the Haifa International
Film Festival and was featured as a documentary at the Israel Film Festival
in Los Angeles in 2007
It is claimed in the documentary that the X-ray radiation used on the
children was thousands of times beyond the maximum recommended dose.and it
is suggested that the program was funded by the United States in order to
test the effects of large radiation doses on humans.
*In fact, the treatment in Israel was the same that was used elsewhere in
the world. The documented dosages given to the Israeli children were similar
to (if not less than) that administered to children treated for ringworm at
New York University Hospital between 1940 and 1959.*
Tilly
Lets look at some of the science involved,
Looking up the lethal dose (L.D. 50/30) death-rate of X-rays for humans is
250 - 300 rads. That means, if the children were given 500 to 600 times the
maximum dose, 50% of the children would have died within 30 days. At 35,000
times the maximum yearly dose, the doctor, technicians and all the children
would have been dead before the end of the month. This 6,000 figure is
completely bogus or the maximum dose is bogus.
As for the claim that people experienced splitting headaches whilst
receiving the radiation:
That's strange. The effects of x-rays or any other radiation poisoning take
a few hours at the speediest and days and weeks later normally. Obviously
the documentary crew did not have a radiation expert handy. Someone has
watched too many science fiction films. Be aware that the skin does not have
receptors that sense radiation exposure. No matter how large a radiation
dose a person receives, there is no sensation at the time the dose is
delivered. It has been reported that some people who have received extremely
large doses have felt a tingling in the skin. However, the tingling is due
to static charge at the skin surface rather than the direct sensation of
radiation exposure. No one can actually feel pain from X-rays until much,
much later; and that pain is not from the X-rays themselves but from the
damage to the tissues that occurs much later. All this "Make the headache go
away" is a complete fabrication - it cannot have happened.
Let us assume Moroccan children can handle large doses of x-rays without
dying. According to the medical literature 500 to 600 rem (or 1,000 times
max dose) will sterilize you (and kill 35% of the victims after 30 days).
That means there could not have been the next generation, and certainly the
women in the doco would never have had any children.
Moroccans in Israel:
In 1951 there wereno more than 20,000 Moroccan Jews in Israel. Yet in the
documentary it states that 100,000 Sephardic children, of which Moroccans
were the majority, were exposed to X-rays. Demographically speaking this
could not have happened. .
Tilly
> news:db661d97-20c0-4d03...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 4, 12:45 pm, "Tilly" <paul1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "colp" <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote in message
>
>
> An estimated 20,000 MOROCCAN Israeli individuals, particularly children,
>
> An estimated 200,000 children worldwide received X-ray treatment for tinea
> capitis in accordance with the standard Adamson-Kienbock procedure between
> 1910 and 1959, until griseofulvin, the first effective antifungal agent
> for ringworm, was introduced. X-ray treatment for ringworm were
> demonstrated as early as 1903.
>
Oh and BTW what happened was wrong and should never have happened, but at
the time irradiation was the only treatment for ringworm.
In 1994 Israel recognized its responsibility for the destructive results of
this unwarranted irradiation, including scarring of the scalp, baldness,
premature tooth loss, and benign and malignant tumors. The Israel Tinea
Capitis Compensation Law states that those who can prove to a Health
Ministry committee of experts that they were irradiated as children are
entitled to compensation in accordance with the damage to their health.
.
The Israeli Government have been compensating those
Tilly
Between 1948 and 1960, nearly *20,000 children* originating from North
Africa and the Middle East were treated in Israel by radiation for ringworm
of the scalp as part of a widespread public health campaign to eradicate the
condition. In 1965 a comprehensive investigation of the delayed effects of
this X-ray therapy was initiated by our group (11).
The study cohort included 10,834 irradiated subjects, 10,834 nonirradiated
population comparison subjects, and 5392 nonirradiated siblings. The mean
year of irradiation was 1956 and the mean age at irradiation was 7.1 years.
Several sets of follow-up data from this population showed that the
irradiated subjects had a significantly elevated risk of cancer of the head
and neck, with an overall relative risk of 2. Meningiomas were outstandingly
increased (relative risk>10) (12). A dose response was demonstrated, but of
particular interest was the excess of thyroid and breast cancer despite the
low doses delivered to these organs (13,14).
In this particular case the government accepted responsibility for the
supposedly beneficial radiation treatment that was initiated in good faith
but proved detrimental. Truly, the ultimate motive for legislation might not
have been devoid of political considerations. Nevertheless, each individual
who can provide proof of irradiation during the period under consideration,
either in Israel or en route, and who developed head or neck cancer, is now
being financially compensated.
This law is extremely liberal. Because the average age of the irradiated
population today is close to 50 years of age (ranging from 37 to 60),
approximately two out of every three compensated persons would have
contracted cancer even if not irradiated.
The difference in policy between this group and those employed in the
nuclear industry is rooted in the working principle that unwilling and
unknowing exposure to a deleterious agent must be compensated
http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/members/1997/Suppl-6/modan-full.html
femai...@gmail.com
Tilly
On Jan 2, 9:45 pm, "Tilly" <paul1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/3998.htm
>
> What you seem to be suggesting is that the mass treatment of ringworm of
> Sephardi children
> was a racist undertaking.
Yes.
> It was not. Thousands of Sephradi children
> contracted it frombeing in close contact with each other. ( it is highly
> contagious).
So why were the Ashkenazi children who were in the same schools as the
Sephardi children excluded from the treatment?
> There were no drugs to treat it as there are today. It was the
> Americans who suggested the only way of treating these children was the
> use
> of low dose xrays.
But it wasn't a low dose. According to IsraelInsider the dosage was
35,000 times the maximum, presumably meaning 35,000 times today's
"safe" dosage.
No it wasn't anywhere near that dosage as the records show..
As any person who workd with radiation/xrays will tell you:
That would have to be a HUGE x-ray machine to put out that big of a dose
per person. And there's no way that any of them would have survived it for
longer than a few days tops.
There were some incredibly stupid uses of x-ray technology in the early
50's.
And the resulting effects were poorly understood.
1-2 Sv = Light radiation poisoning, 10% fatality after 30 days
1 Sv = 100rem
rem = effective rad
1000 millirad = 1 rad
1.5 Sv is about 150rads x 95% (the amount typically absorbed)
150rads all at once should make a person have severe radiation poisoning ,
just to kill ringworm.
In reading a little history of radiology, it seems there were many
"experiments" on the general population, in the 1950's, before people
realized what the results might be.
Some of the numbers on website links, are ridiculous.
It gives the impression the x-ray machine could do something it couldn't.
Something 35,000 times a dosage limit would kill a person 40 to 80 times
over, immediately.
That would be more like a Star Wars weapon, in it's output. Not to mention
the incredible amount of power in the AC current that would have to go into
it.
> The aim was curing them .
If that was the aim, then why were the Askenazis paid such a large
amount of money to conduct the experiment?
The money was paid to treat ringworm. There is a lot of misinformation out
there about dosages etc......
Tilly
http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/3998.htm
Cancer caused by x-rays-a random event?
In the years immediately after the establishment of the State of Israel,
ringworm of the scalp-tinea capitis-
reached epidemic proportions in thousands of immigrant children, many from
north Africa. The preferred
treatment at the time was to induce temporary epilation by a dose of x-rays.
The study by Flint-Richter and
Sadetski1 in this issue of The Lancet Oncology documentsthe incidence of
radiation-associated brain tumours
in a subset of such individuals, consisting of more than 500 families who
have been followed for over 50 years.
This fascinating paper is of substantial interest in itself,but in addition,
could have far-reaching and important
implications on radiation protection and in every sphere of life in which
radiation is used. These areas include diagnostic radiology,
radiation oncology, and even the generation of nuclear power. The reason for
this possibility is that this study offers solid
epidemiological evidence that-at least in this population consisting partly
of north-African Jews-radiation-associated
cancers are clustered in certain families rather than being evenly
distributed throughout the irradiated population.
Specifically, if all of the children irradiated during the treatment of
tinea capitis are taken in to account, the
risk of developing a radiation-associated meningioma is about 1 in 100.
However, in some families the risk is 4 out
of 5. This is an incredible concentration of risk. Current standards of
radiation protection are based entirely on
the assumption that the human population is uniform in radiosensitivity-ie,
that radiation carcinogenesis is a
stochastic event-so that when a population is exposed to radiation, the
small proportion who fall victim to a
radiation-induced cancer are randomly distributed. Thenew data conflict with
this paradigm.
Of course, we have realised for some time that a radiosensitive
subpopulation might exist. The
International Commission on Radiological Protection issued a voluminous
report on this topic in 1999,2 and
the subject was discussed again in the Biological Eff ects of Ionizing
Radiation (BEIR) VII report of The National
Academy of Sciences.3 Both reports concluded that certain inherited
combinations of common low-penetrance
genes can result in the presence of subpopulations with substantially diff
erent susceptibilities to spontaneous and
radiation-associated cancer. This is the view espoused by the researchers of
the present study. The vital question
is to what extent is the population in the tinea capitis study atypical in
having a higher-than-normal load of
mutations, and to what extent can the conclusions be extrapolated to more
typical populations?
http://crr.columbia.edu/faculty/hall/lancet-oncol8-07.pdf-
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Tilly
Yes.
As a result of this I have spent ours poring over information.
Much of the information out there is spurious misinformation.much if it
espoused by tinfoil hat reporter
and conspiracy theorist Barry Chamish. (who also believes Rabin wasn't
assassinated by Yigal Amir).
It wasn't an experiment.The use of Xrays to treat ringworn was the norm at
the time and it was rife amongst new immigrant Mizrahi children .The
children weren't exposed to 35,000 the normal dose of radiation, 6000
children did not die.
Of those that have died by the far the majority died from motor accidents
, death whilst serviing in the army and natural causes .
I suggest you do some research on the actual science which is interesting in
itself, much work has been done on it in recent years.
Here's an interesting snippet on how the radiation affects certain families
and not others..
http://www.jstor.org/pss/20055656
Tilly
Here's what the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica had to say about X-ray
treatment for ringworm:
Quote:
In ringworm X rays have achieved wonderful results. The rays act upon
the hair papillae, and not upon the ringworm fungus. They cause a shedding
of the hair fifteen days after exposure and the fungus then dies out from
the hair follicles, so that when in due course the hair begins to grow again
after a period of two months it grows healthily and without disease. The
X-ray treatment of ringworm has been a real advance, and Sabouraud has told
us of the enormous pecuniary saving which has been effected in Paris by the
shortening of the stay of the ringworm cases in the special schools
maintained there for the affected children.
Which confirms that by the 1940s/50s such treatments had been in widespread
use for decades without awareness of their long-term consequences = without
genocidal/eugenic intent.
Tilly
> On , , Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:46:41 +1300, Re: Khazars in reality., "Tilly"
> such a large amount of money to conduct the experiment?
The majority of Israeli have their origin in the people of the Middle East
and North Africa
and they've always known it, it is people like yourself and anti-Zionists
have questioned it,
espousing Khazar nonsense and questionable genetic theories which have now
been proven to be nothing but mere fantasy.
The fact is that Jews in Israel after the Holocaust did everything possible
to get Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews to Israel as quickly as possible to save
them , not a single cent was received from the UN .
They didn't bring Mizrahis to Israel to kill or experiment on them, yet
anti-Zionists are waving this canard about that the Israeli Government
carried out eugenic experiments on Sephardi children.
What they have has chosen to ignore is that his treatment was not
"eugenics", but was the state of the art treatment , not just in Israel, but
in Europe and America as well and that the US Army provided the Israeli
Government with 7 xray machines to treat the ringworm..
RADIATION THERAPY OF RINGWORM OF THE SCALP
Calif Med. 1949 March; 70(3): 189-193.
M. E. Mottram and Harold A. Hill
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1643734&blobtype=pdf
"A recent epidemic of tinea capitis in children
has revived a considerable interest in
the methods of treatment of this disease.
The most efficacious form of therapy for
M. audouini infections is roentgen epilation.
Cure was effected by this method in all of
a group of 125 cases".
Yes, this was 1949 in San Francisco!
In spite of this, and dozens of other references in period medical
literature theyclaim treatment for this skin condition was really
just part of a racist conspiracy from the white Zio-nazi colonial entity.
There has been a disproportionate number of malignancies reported in the
hundreds of thousands treated for ringworm. Many nations have begun
registries. In 1995, Israel began compensating those suffering from
radiation related illness- and it remains one of the few nations of the
world that does.
<clipped>
--
femai...@gmail.com
colp
> Between 1948 and 1960, nearly *20,000 children* originating from North
> Africa and the Middle East were treated in Israel by radiation for ringworm
> of the scalp as part of a widespread public health campaign to eradicate the
> condition.
According to the documentary approximately 100,000 children were
treated. The documentary also claims that records relating to the
treatment were destroyed.
Brian Dooley
>On Jan 2, 9:22�pm, "Tilly" <paul1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> And the second surprise is that the group of people closest genetically to
>> the Jews are Palestinians. Both come from the Levant area and Mesopotamia.
>> That could be that many Palestinians are likely of original Jewish or
>> Samaritan origin.
But more likely that they all come from the same root-stock, and
not a foreskin among the lot of them.
>
>It shouldn't be a surprise. History and archaeology show no mass
>immigration into Palestine since the Assyrian and Babylonian
>population transfers, and even those are not known to have been large
>enough to make substantial changes in the genetic make-up of the
>country. During the Roman Empire there were large-scale conversions
>to Christianity and, until the 10th Century, Palestine was a Christian
>country, and after that mixed Christian and Moslem with small Jewish
>and Samaritan minorities. But still the same people who had lived
>there since time immemorial.
>
On Jan 1 TV3 presented a not-overly unrealistic version of the
First Crusade and its aftermath. By coincidence I am in the
middle of reading 'The Knight and Chivalry' by Richard Barber,
which devotes sevral chapters to the Crusade and the Military
Orders. It's been done before but it's the latest word by a
genuine historian and the movie compared quite well.
>If people of the Jewish religion are descended from the ancient
>population of Palestine, then it would be very surprising if they were
>not genetically close to the modern Palestinians.
>
>LW
--
Brian Dooley
Wellington New Zealand
colp
> > The aim was curing them .
>
colp:
> If that was the aim, then why were the Askenazis paid such a large
> amount of money to conduct the experiment?
>
tilly:
> The money was paid to treat ringworm. There is a lot of misinformation out
> there about dosages etc......
It is absurd to suggest that America paid Israel 5 times the amount of
Israel's annual health budget simply to treat ringworm. 1951, the time
of commencement of the treatment according to the docunentary, was a
few years after the atomic bombing of Nagasaki & Hiroshima. The
interest of America in the effects of high energy radiation is
evident, but human experimentation was banned in the United States at
that time.
"The Israeli government received huge sums from the USA to find out
the limits and effects of human exposure to gamma radiation, relating
to X-ray doses and the Atom bomb detonations at the end of the Second
World War. Banned in the States, the government sought out potential
partners abroad that would be corrupt enough to run the experiments on
their own people." - Frances Simmons on a lecture by the lecture by
Reuven Abargill
An excerpt from the lecture by Reuven Abargill follows:
Each one of us has sat under an x-ray machine, and we see how the
technicians run out of the room and how they put a big lead coat on
us. Today the whole process is controlled with good safety codes. From
all the research that was done from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, in the
clinics I am talking about, the scientists knew that there was a limit
to how much radiation a person should be exposed to. According to
international health codes, you can expose an adult to maximum 350 rad
(units) and a child to maximum 200 rad.
One hundred thousand Jewish children from North Africa participated in
the experiments without their parents’ consent and knowledge. Twenty
thousand died immediately. They were burned because the radiation
level that was used on them in a series of irradiations, was 20,000
rad . Four of my brothers died of cancer as a result of these
experiments. Today, most of the people who were exposed to these
experiments have cancer or are severely sick.
What did the Zionists achieve from being part of this big experiment?
They received payment of 300,000 Israeli Lira, an amount which was six
times higher than the health budget at that time.
From 1948 to the early 1970s we saw people dying and we didn’t know
why. Nobody told us that we were part of an experiment. We started to
see there was a pattern and all those who were sick were treated
against what we thought was a skin disease called ringworm. This is a
skin disease where you have a bald spot in your hair. Children get it
- it is similar to lice. Parents in North Africa would treat it with
vinegar and other home remedies. Usually it goes away after a few
weeks and it is not contagious.
colp
> "Tilly" <paul1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Here's what the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica had to say about X-ray
> treatment for ringworm:
Irrelevant. The experiments were carried out in the fifties, after the
hazardous effects of high energy radidiation had been demonstrated at
Hiroshima & Nagasaki.
The radiation hazards associated with shoe fitting x-ray units were
recognized as early as 1950. The machines were often out of adjustment
and were constructed so radiation leaked into the surrounding area.
Tilly
http://www.museumofquackery.com/devices/shoexray.htm
The Americans were using radiation to treat ringworm in then 50's, it was
the US Army that supplied the machines.
Tilly
On Jan 4, 3:57 pm, "Tilly" <paul1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The aim was curing them .
>
colp:
> If that was the aim, then why were the Askenazis paid such a large
> amount of money to conduct the experiment?
>
tilly:
> The money was paid to treat ringworm. There is a lot of misinformation out
> there about dosages etc......
It is absurd to suggest that America paid Israel 5 times the amount of
Israel's annual health budget simply to treat ringworm.
Thge actual amount they gor to contribute to the treatment ptogram was
300,000 Israeli shekels a year, much less tah $300 mil..
1951, the time
of commencement of the treatment according to the docunentary, was a
few years after the atomic bombing of Nagasaki & Hiroshima. The
interest of America in the effects of high energy radiation is
evident, but human experimentation was banned in the United States at
that time.
I have posted the evidence.
The children were NOT given 5 toimes the amount of radiation, they were
given no more than the recommended dose.
"The Israeli government received huge sums from the USA to find out
the limits and effects of human exposure to gamma radiation, relating
to X-ray doses and the Atom bomb detonations at the end of the Second
World War.
You can say so and so said it etc........but produce some concrete evidence.
Banned in the States, the government sought out potential
partners abroad that would be corrupt enough to run the experiments on
their own people." - Frances Simmons on a lecture by the lecture by
Reuven Abargill
The Americans deny it.
An excerpt from the lecture by Reuven Abargill follows:
Each one of us has sat under an x-ray machine, and we see how the
technicians run out of the room and how they put a big lead coat on
us.
That was the norm <sigh>. I hsd radiation treatment in the 70's and had to
wear one.
Today the whole process is controlled with good safety codes. From
all the research that was done from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, in the
clinics I am talking about, the scientists knew that there was a limit
to how much radiation a person should be exposed to. According to
international health codes, you can expose an adult to maximum 350 rad
(units) and a child to maximum 200 rad.
The treatment in Israel was the same that was used elsewhere in
the world. The documented dosages given to the Israeli children were similar
to (if not less than) that administered to children treated for ringworm at
New York University Hospital between 1940 and 1959.*
One hundred thousand Jewish children from North Africa participated in
the experiments without their parents� consent and knowledge. Twenty
thousand died immediately.
That is an outright lie.20,000 didn't die immediately.It's a load of crap
and it's been proven to be crap..
They were burned because the radiation
level that was used on them in a series of irradiations, was 20,000
rad . Four of my brothers died of cancer as a result of these
experiments. Today, most of the people who were exposed to these
experiments have cancer or are severely sick.
What did the Zionists achieve from being part of this big experiment?
They received payment of 300,000 Israeli Lira, an amount which was six
times higher than the health budget at that time.
From 1948 to the early 1970s we saw people dying and we didn�t know
why. Nobody told us that we were part of an experiment. We started to
see there was a pattern and all those who were sick were treated
against what we thought was a skin disease called ringworm. This is a
skin disease where you have a bald spot in your hair. Children get it
- it is similar to lice. Parents in North Africa would treat it with
vinegar and other home remedies. Usually it goes away after a few
weeks and it is not contagious.
Where did you get this nonsense?
Oh and BTW ringworm is *extremely contagious.*
--
femai...@gmail.com
Tilly
http://www.filmbaby.com/films/964
Yes and a lot of inforamtion in the film is crap.
Tilly
On Jan 2, 9:45 pm, "Tilly" <paul1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/3998.htm
>
> What you seem to be suggesting is that the mass treatment of ringworm of
> Sephardi children
> was a racist undertaking.
Yes.
It's a load of rubbish.
Hundreds of Ashkenazi risked their lives to save them you fool.
> It was not. Thousands of Sephradi children
> contracted it frombeing in close contact with each other. ( it is highly
> contagious).
So why were the Ashkenazi children who were in the same schools as the
Sephardi children excluded from the treatment?
That's is what the Sephardis say, however they weren't in schools with
Ashkenazi they were in separate schools and camps fpr new immigrants, they
didn't even speak Hebrew.
> There were no drugs to treat it as there are today. It was the
> Americans who suggested the only way of treating these children was the
> use
> of low dose xrays.
But it wasn't a low dose. According to IsraelInsider
Israeli insider is a Sephardi news paper/website.
the dosage was
35,000 times the maximum, presumably meaning 35,000 times today's
"safe" dosage.
> The aim was curing them .
If that was the aim, then why were the Askenazis paid such a large
amount of money to conduct the experiment?
They weren't paid a huge amount. They received 300,000 Israel lira a year.
Here is anti-semtic website that reports that. (no doubt you'll believe
them)
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-genocide-ringworm-children.html
Oh and BTW Barry Chamish is an Israeli/Canadian conspiracy theorist. Do a
Google. He's tinfoil hat material.
Tilly
Theyb received 300,000 Israeli lira per year for the ringworm program , the
total health budget in 1951 was 60 million lira.
Tilly
Can you doi maths ?
I suggest you work out what fraction of 60 million lira (the annual health
budget) 300,000 million was
which is what they received. They did NOT receive 300 million lira..
Tilly
Wrong!!!! They received 300,000 Israeli lira a year.
Israeli liras a year when the entire Health budget was 60 million
liras. This was blood money, not cash solely to purchase radiological
equipment.
Tilly
> On , , Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:46:41 +1300, Re: Khazars in reality., "Tilly"
They weren't, they were paid 300,000 Israeli lira a year , the national
annual health budget
was 60 million lira.
>
>>I presume you realise that all the money that Israel gets from the US now
>>has to be used to purchase US arms etc..........
>
> --
> "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor
> to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
> Anatole France.
Tilly
Tghis is a lie.
1% of those exposed have died from cancer,, there is a higher rate of skin
cancers (not melnoma, their rates are not above the norm) tinningn hair and
baldness.
A few families however have had much higher cancer rates than the norm and
it is now proven that
it is the result of genetics.
April 25, 2007 � A study showing that certain individuals are at much
greater risk of radiation-induced cancer than others could have far-reaching
implications, as it suggests that cancer caused by X rays is not a random
event, as has been supposed.
The research, reported online April 16 in Lancet Oncology, had a unique
setting in Israel, with a follow-up of 50 years and a study population of
528 large families (with a total of 3521 siblings). It found that that
certain families had a greatly increased risk of developing
radiation-induced meningioma � their risk was 11%, compared with 1% in the
general population.
The finding suggests that there is a genetic predisposition to the
development of tumors after exposure to ionizing radiation, conclude the
researchers, Pazit Flint-Richter, PhD, and Siegal Sadetzki, MD, from the
Gertner Institute, in Tel Hashomer.
The clinical implication of the new finding is that some families appear to
be at greater risk of developing cancer after exposure to radiation, Dr.
Sadetzki commented in an interview. She advises that any individual who
develops a case of irradiation-induced cancer should be cautioned against
further exposure to radiation and the whole family should be advised that
they may be more at risk than the general population and should be cautious
about such exposure.
"This is an incredible concentration of risk," comments an accompanying
editorial. "The study offers solid epidemiological evidence that � at least
in this population consisting partly of North African Jews �
radiation-induced cancer is clustered in certain families rather than being
evenly distributed throughout the irradiated population."
Such an important finding needs to be repeated urgently, writes the
editorialist, Eric Hall, DPhil, DSc, professor of radiation oncology at
Columbia University Medical Center, in New York. If and when it is proven,
some rethinking will be needed about current standards for protection
against radiation, he predicts. At present, these standards are based
entirely on the assumption that the human population is uniformly sensitive
to radiation and that the small number who develop cancer are randomly
distributed. "The new data conflict with this paradigm," he says.
Data from X-Ray Treatment Program in 1950s
The backdrop to this study is a treatment program used during the 1950s for
the scalp fungal infection tinea capitis. At that time, a dose of X rays to
induce temporary hair loss was a standard treatment for the condition,
although it fell out of favor by the 1960s, when the oral antifungal agent
griseofulvin became available, Dr. Sadetzki explained.
Tinea capitis was a particular problem among the children of immigrants
flooding into the newly established state of Israel, reaching epidemic
proportions, and hence many new and prospective immigrants were irradiated
in this way. As the infection is contagious, often several siblings from 1
family would be irradiated at the same time. Around 20,000 children were
irradiated in Israel, plus an unknown number of prospective immigrants in
other countries, the researchers note. Since then, however, the risks of
this X-ray treatment have been recognized, and in 1994 an Israeli law was
established to compensate irradiated patients for specific diseases proven
to result from radiation (mainly head and neck cancers, benign brain tumors,
and alopecia).
The whole situation has "created a natural experiment," the researchers
write. It has allowed them to compare family members who had and had not
been irradiated and those who did and did not develop meningioma. The mean
age of index participants was 56 years (range, 45 � 76 years), and the mean
number of siblings (excluding the index individual) was 5.7 (range, 0 � 13).
The majority of the study population (95%) was of Asian African origin. The
study was supported by the Israel Cancer Association, and both authors
declare no conflicts of interest.
The researchers identified 160 families in which there was an index case who
had been exposed to radiation and who developed meningioma (RAM) (total,
1082 siblings including the index case) and 145 families with an index
control who had been exposed to radiation but had not developed meningioma
(total, 1058 siblings). In addition, they found a further 85 families with
an index case not exposed to radiation but who did develop meningioma
(total, 518 siblings) and 135 families with an index control who was not
exposed to radiation and did not develop meningioma (863 siblings).
Significant differences between these study groups were found. In the RAM
group, where an index case had been exposed to radiation and had developed
meningioma, the researchers found additional first-degree relatives with
meningioma in 17 families (11%), whereas only 1 or 2 such families (1%) were
found in the other groups (P < .0001). Also, 22 families (10%) in this RAM
group had members with cancers in irradiated sites (including head, neck,
and chest) compared with 9 families (5%) of the irradiated controls (P =
.04).
These findings suggest that siblings in the RAM group were predisposed to
developing cancer after radiation exposure, the authors conclude. Exposure
to ionizing radiation, especially during childhood, is known to be a strong
environmental factor for meningioma, increasing the risk 6-fold, Dr.
Sadetzki told Medscape. "Yet only 1% of individuals who are exposed to
radiation go on to develop meningioma, and so we were quite convinced that
there was something else going on here, and we suspected genetic factors.
The fact that this immigrant population had very large families and had a
few siblings who were exposed to radiation and others who were not gave us
the perfect natural experiment in which to investigate this."
Going Forward With Genetic Analysis
"When such an important finding is noted, there is an urgent need to repeat
it, but the Achilles' heel of this report is that the scientific community
will be hard-pressed to find another data set that will yield the
confirmation needed," the editorial comments. The researchers themselves
add: "A larger similar study to ours is not likely to become available
because, to the best of our knowledge, the combination of partially
irradiated and large families through which a more accurate assessment could
be made does not exist elsewhere."
The way forward, both authors and editorialist agree, is to study the
genetic defects in the affected families. "This is our next step," said Dr.
Sadetzki. "We are collecting DNA samples from all the families, and we are
working to identify which genetic factors may be involved."
"The vital question," said Dr. Hall, "is to what extent the population of
this tinea capitis study is atypical in having a higher-than-normal load of
mutations and to what extent the conclusions can be extrapolated to more
typical populations."
Lancet Oncol . 2007; 8:403�410, 369�370.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/555669?rss
What did the Zionists achieve from being part of this big experiment?
They received payment of 300,000 Israeli Lira, an amount which was six
times higher than the health budget at that time.
From 1948 to the early 1970s we saw people dying and we didn�t know
why. Nobody told us that we were part of an experiment. We started to
see there was a pattern and all those who were sick were treated
against what we thought was a skin disease called ringworm. This is a
skin disease where you have a bald spot in your hair. Children get it
- it is similar to lice. Parents in North Africa would treat it with
vinegar and other home remedies. Usually it goes away after a few
weeks and it is not contagious.
Tilly
http://www.museumofquackery.com/devices/shoexray.htm
Fact: Radiation was used in the prescribed dosage to treat ringworm until
the 1960s, in Europoe and the US as well as Israel.
"The backdrop to this study is a treatment program used during the 1950s for
the scalp fungal infection tinea capitis. At that time, a dose of X rays to
induce temporary hair loss was a standard treatment for the condition,
although it fell out of favor by the 1960s, when the oral antifungal agent
griseofulvin became available, "
Tilly
http://www.filmbaby.com/films/964
Most of the info comes from Barry Chamish not the doco.He is a conspiracy
theorist.
Some of his more outlandish claims:
Chamish claims that Shimon Peres gave away Jerusalem to the Vatican in a
secret clause of the Oslo Agreements and that this fact had been widely
published in Israel. [
Chamish claims that Yigal Amir did not shoot Rabin. Members of Yigal Amir's
family told Yedioth Ahronoth in January 2005 that "they object to Chamish's
ideas, and that [Barry Chamish and David Cohen] have no right to publish
such a website. They added the campaign angers Yigal Amir himself
Chamish has also accused Peres of the death of former Utah Congressman D.
Wayne Owens the founder of the Center for Middle East Peace and Economic
Cooperation and head of the Middle East Peace Center
Chamish described the drowning of former Israeli minister Rafael Eitan, who
reportedly was "swept away by a wave while working on a dock in Ashdod", as
a "hit" by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.[3] The police and media in Israel
saw it as an accident.
In his explanation for the "Sharon stroke mystery", Chamish explains that
this was a murder attempt by Shimon Peres and Yoram Rubin--
In the Versailles banquet hall disaster, where a floor collapsed during a
wedding, 23 persons were killed and 300 more injured. Chamish, without
quoting any evidence, deducts that this was a sort of general rehearsal for
the American set-up of the 9/11 attacks on the United States, in which
almost 3000 persons died.
Barry Chamish connects the Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip with the
Hurricane Katrina disaster in New Orleans, because Gush (Katif) and Gulf
start with GU and Katrina and (Gush) Katif start with KAT. He points out
that the remainder of the latter words, after subtracting KAT and
rearranging rina, is "if rain". Chamish told Aaron Klein, the Jerusalem
reporter of the World Net Daily: Simple human beings cannot fully understand
what is going on, but the events certainly must be connected. It's
statistically impossible to have two such great natural disasters like the
recent tsunami in Asia and Katrina right after each other. This is the hand
of God. He is saying something
In addition to the letters, Chamish connects the two occurrences also with
numbers: "There are approximately 6 million people in Israel. 10,000 divided
by 6,000,000 equals 0.00167. Two weeks later, Hurricane Katrina hit New
Orleans in the southern United States, and laid waste and complete
desolation to the City of New Orleans. New Orleans has a population of
500,000. US News agencies are openly calling those displaced by the
hurricane 'refugees.' There are approximately 300 million people in the
United States. 500,000 divided by 300,000,000 equals 0.00167."
He's timfoil hat Material!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tilly
On Jan 4, 12:45 pm, "Tilly" <paul1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "colp" <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote in message
>
> On Jan 3, 2:49 pm, "Tilly" <paul1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> >news:66tvj5t0ur1mqv92g...@4ax.com...
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> > > On , , Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:46:41 +1300, Re: Khazars in reality.,
> > > "Tilly"
>
> > >>"colp" <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote in message
> > >>news:e3721271-c2ca-43a8...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> > >>On Jan 2, 9:45 pm, "Tilly" <paul1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/3998.htm
>
> > >>> What you seem to be suggesting is that the mass treatment of
> > >>> ringworm
> > >>> of
> > >>> Sephardi children
> > >>> was a racist undertaking.
>
> > >>Yes.
>
> > >>> It was not. Thousands of Sephradi children
> > >>> contracted it frombeing in close contact with each other. ( it is
> > >>> highly
> > >>> contagious).
>
> > >>So why were the Ashkenazi children who were in the same schools as the
> > >>Sephardi children excluded from the treatment?
>
> > >>> There were no drugs to treat it as there are today. It was the
> > >>> Americans who suggested the only way of treating these children was
> > >>> the
> > >>> use
> > >>> of low dose xrays.
>
> > >>But it wasn't a low dose. According to IsraelInsider the dosage was
> > >>35,000 times the maximum, presumably meaning 35,000 times today's
> > >>"safe" dosage.
>
>
> > >>amount of money to conduct the experiment?
>
> > >>US
> > >>citizens etc....nt.
>
> > > That isn't an answer, you have sudenly shut down on giving answers.
> > > Askenazis
> > > paid
> > > such a large amount of money to conduct the experiment?
>
>
> Ashkenazis are the political elite of Israel, not Sephardim.
>
> The Ashkenazis were the political elite, these days there are plenty of
> Sephardi,Mizrahi etc. in senior posts in Governement.........At that time
> the Government was almost exclusively Ashkenzi, the
> Sephardi, Mizrahi that were there were predominantly but not exclusively
> new immigrants.There were ME Jews who had been there for millenia.
>
> It was the government that was paid not the Ashkenazi.
A government that was operating in alignment with Ashkenazi goals
> I note you don't mention the US Government's role in the affair. Are you
> suggesting they paid the money because the Government was
> Ashkenazi.ie.that
> they were racist?
My opinion is that they were paid the money because of the Zionist
influence in US politics, with the goal of strengthening the role of
the political state of Israel at the expense of those who had a claim
to the land by birthright.
> I would suggest they saw an opportunity for an experiment
> they didn't have to carry out on Americans..
The hazards of radiation were well known at the time. A lawful
scientific experiment would return no information of value.
>
colp:
> The Ashkenazis were closely linked to the Zionists who established the
> political state of Israel.
>
tilly:
> No one would argue with that.
>
colp:
> The American government paid the Israeli government 300 million
> Israeli liras a year when the entire Health budget was 60 million
> liras. This was blood money, not cash solely to purchase radiological
> equipment.
>
tilly:
> Do you realise that every single cent the Israeli has received and still
> receives has to be spent as the US prescribes.?
It matters not when American or American/Israeli (i.e. dual
citizenship) Zionists were behind the US funding. - The money was
still spend according to the Zionist agenda.
I suggest you read the following:
I also suggest you get your facts right. Barry Chamish said the children
were given the high dosages etc...........
http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2007/03/ringworm_hoax.html
colp
> The children were NOT given 5 toimes the amount of radiation, they were
> given no more than the recommended dose.
Who reccomends that children be irradiated at 0.98 - 6 Gray? 1.38 Gray
(the median value of the irradiations) is 1.29 Sievert. A typical
dental X-Ray is 20-30 micro Sieverts, meaning that the children were
irradiated between 43000 times and 64500 times the level of a dental X-
Ray.
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.1667/RR3329 (See table 1)
The mean irradition of the children was 1.29 Sievert or 129 R.
The typical symptoms for this level of radiation are:
1–2 Sv (100–200 rem)
Light radiation poisoning, 10% fatality after 30 days (LD 10/30).
Typical symptoms include mild to moderate nausea (50% probability at 2
Sv), with occasional vomiting, beginning 3 to 6 hours after
irradiation and lasting for up to one day. This is followed by a 10 to
14 day latent phase, after which light symptoms like general illness
and fatigue appear (50% probability at 2 Sv). The immune system is
depressed, with convalescence extended and increased risk of
infection. Temporary male sterility is common. Spontaneous abortion or
stillbirth will occur in pregnant women.
The child fatalities of 6000 out of 100,000 irradiated reported by the
film seems low for this level of irradiation. (10% fatality after 30
days for 1-2 Sievert)