Amerca's Cup: Good Luck Team Dubai (uh, I mean New Zealand)
Will Spencer
there sometime) cup final. I like every other New Zealander worth his salt
will be glued to the screen from midnight tonight watching the rich boys
and their toys battling it out on the wobbly blue arena (assuming you've
paid your power bill).
-ws
Matty F
A win for Team NZ, but a very close race.
However the wind was very light, and Team NZ are more competitive in
strong winds.
And Prada won the toss for the starboard side advantage at the start.
Tilly
Matty F
I missed the start. I see now that Team NZ managed to get to the right
hand side at the start, which I always think is best because of the
give way rule for a boat on starboard tack. Unless your boat has some
sort of speed advantage as NZ has usually had in the past so they
never had to worry about the start that much.
Dennis Conner after winning the start but having a slower boat:
"Whaddowedonow?"
Tilly
Actually they were poretty even over the line bbut ETNZ managed to get the
starboard side (which they wanted) and read the wind shift perfectly.Had the
wind shift not eventuated the result probably would have been different.
ETNZ's crew work was exceptional throughout the race.
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E. Scrooge
"Tilly" <Til...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:f3q79e$1j5$1...@aioe.org...
Prada is the better boat, they just don't have Dean Barker on board. Team
NZ is also stuck with geriatric Grant Dalton who isn't fit enough to be on
the boat.
E. Scrooge
Tilly
> Prada is the better boat,
Really?
The seem to be very evenly matched. <sigh>
So tell us, why you think Prada is the better boat?
they just don't have Dean Barker on board.
> Team NZ is also stuck with geriatric Grant Dalton who isn't fit
> enough to be on the boat.
If he wasn't fit enough he wouldn't be on it.None of the guys on the boat
agree with you.
>
> E. Scrooge
Dave Doe
And your claim to fame and knowledge of yachting is?
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E. Scrooge
"Dave Doe" <ha...@work.ok> wrote in message
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From watching Dickson and Blake in the America's Cup many decades ago,
Charlie.
You didn't hear that Team NZ were carrying about 3 to 4 ton of water during
the race that they had to bail out.
One interesting point is that the larger super yachts of Oracle are still
there as people had paid to be on them to see the entire America's Cup. Bit
tough for Larry Nelson when Oracle is no longer in it thanks partly to
Dickson.
It was noted that people are paying a thousand dollars a day just to be out
there to watch 2 boats sailing around.
While there was very little in the win, it's real good start for Team NZ
after the Italians easy semi final wins over Oracle.
E. Scrooge
Tilly
In other words your comments today were worthless! LOL
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Paula
"Tilly" <Til...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:f3q44p$oel$1...@aioe.org...
I watched it pre recorded...and even fast forwarding thru the legs I was
nervous! Tomorrow, I'll watch it live, this morning felt like cheating the
boys!
E. Scrooge
"Tilly" <Til...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:f3qshc$rto$1...@aioe.org...
Actually smarty if it wasn't that so much water got washed onto the boat
Team NZ might've opened up a bigger gap before getting rid of the water.
I don't think it was known and reported how much water washed onto Prada.
If there's light winds then the advantage would go to the Italians. If
Barker can win again it will put the Italians on the back foot denting their
confidence.
Wouldn't surprise me Prada wins 3 of the races.
The chance of gear failure must be possible for both boats as well with all
the stress they've been under.
E. Scrooge
Matty F
> If there's light winds then the advantage would go to the Italians. If
> Barker can win again it will put the Italians on the back foot denting their
> confidence.
> Wouldn't surprise me Prada wins 3 of the races.
Well there were light winds again and Team NZ has won easily this
time. I think they are unlikely to lose a race against Luna Rossa
unless they have a gear problem or get a penalty.
E. Scrooge
"Matty F" <matty...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
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Tilly didn't believe me that Teams can make some changes to get out of their
boats, and that's what Team NZ did by taking a gamble on a new larger sail.
The risk will be the extra pressure on the mast, but it's win or nothing.
Just too bad they had to use it before meeting Alinghi, but the question
will be could Alinghi cope with a similar sail now that they know what
they'll be up against if Team NZ survives to win the series.
E. Scrooge
Tilly
Tilly
> Tilly didn't believe me that Teams can make some changes to get out
> of their boats, and that's what Team NZ did by taking a gamble on a
> new larger sail. The risk will be the extra pressure on the mast, but
> it's win or nothing.
>
> Just too bad they had to use it before meeting Alinghi, but the
> question will be could Alinghi cope with a similar sail now that they
> know what they'll be up against if Team NZ survives to win the series.
>
> E. Scrooge
Running to find excuses I see Scroogie.....LOL.
Tilly
It appears they are faster both upwind and downwind.
I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Prada compound today.
Mind you they are formidable opponents.
Max Burke
>> Matty F wrote:
>> Well there were light winds again and Team NZ has won easily this
>> time. I think they are unlikely to lose a race against Luna Rossa
>> unless they have a gear problem or get a penalty.
> It appears they are faster both upwind and downwind.
> I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Prada compound today.
> Mind you they are formidable opponents.
It's begining to look like Luna Rossa looked so good (and won) in the
previous round because Oracle were so bad at match racing...
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Tilly
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>
> It's begining to look like Luna Rossa looked so good (and won) in the
> previous round because Oracle were so bad at match racing...
Yes, Oracle definitely underperformed.
It may also have given LR the impression they were doing everything right
and that they didn't need to make many changes, which will have worked in
our favour.
I have been saying all a long that ETNZ were giving nothing away and to
expect them to gradually
reveal what they are capable of. The Americas Cup is as much a mind game as
a yacht race and they keep everything as close to the cherst as possible.
They knew if they revealed too much to soon it would work against them.
Dave Doe
Just keep on digging.
It's not a gamble, it's not win or nothing, Alinghi don't know what
they'll be up against.
Is there anything you got right?
Mains: they decide what main they'll use on the day. It's primarily wx
dependent. The main can't be changed easily, unlike the foresails.
They're allowed several hundred kg's of sail, so they'll have 30 or 40
sails onboard typically. The total sail area is limited - you can go
and find the AC 'main' equation yourself.
Boat: Also limited by the main rule, it's speed is (primarily) about
length. The longer the boat, the faster it's potential speed - these
are displacement vessels not planing vessels. Their displacement speed
is therefore about 1.34 x sq.root of their length on the waterline.
You'll note the rules dictate a boat about 24 meters long (LOA), and
might like to note how much of that they try to take to the waterline
(LWL) - (squared bows etc).
'course when the wind is blowin', they lean over - so they optimise an
angle and subsquently shape and (minimum) wetted area and (maximum)
length at that angle. That's about the most important bit.
BTW I was reading somwhere a comment that all the AC boats have been
'illegal' for sometime. IIRC something about an error in the rules in
the density defined for the keel bulb material - it was slightly less
than lead IIRC - and all the boats use lead bulbs (presumably if the
density was unlimited they'd all be using depleted uranium).
Something else I read was that ETNZ is the 2nd smallest budget in the
current AC - (Shosalosa (sp?) is the smallest). But don't quote me on
that.
Oh one more thing for you dimbulb - IMO ETNZ won't be showing off their
top speed config just yet. That's my opinion. IMO we won't see that
until the AC itself (presuming we get through the LV). And even then we
won't see it until about race 3.
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E. Scrooge
"Tilly" <Til...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:f3t3k8$udh$2...@aioe.org...
The facts have nothing to do with excuses. You just hope that the mast
holds together.
E. Scrooge
Tilly
No he never gets it right.
This is hardly surprising since Scroogie has never sailed let alone raced.!
LOL
Tilly
Idiot.
The fact is you repeatedly make stupid comments, on a subject about which
you know nothing and make a complete fool of yourself.
So the mast is going to break is it Scroogie? <sigh>
Tilly
JIt's obvious you are an armchair sailor-ie. No sailor at all.
>
> You didn't hear that Team NZ were carrying about 3 to 4 ton of water
> during the race that they had to bail out.
Wrong. It was the Spanish boat. <very big sigh>
Didn't you see the bailers?
E. Scrooge
"Tilly" <Til...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:f3tk4o$alo$1...@aioe.org...
I didn't said it would at all, but there is a chance with all that stress on
it.
If you knew so much about yachting you'd know about the tons of stress that
the mast will have to cope with.
Same for the other teams if they push the limits.
E. Scrooge
E. Scrooge
"Dave Doe" <ha...@work.ok> wrote in message
That was there best configuration and obviously all they needed to do the
job. Since you weren't watching they even backed off on the last leg to
take it easier on the boat.
E. Scrooge
Tilly
> > In news: Tilly Scribbled:
>
> > > Matty F wrote:
> > > Well there were light winds again and Team NZ has won easily this
> > > time. I think they are unlikely to lose a race against Luna Rossa
> > > unless they have a gear problem or get a penalty.
>
> > It appears they are faster both upwind and downwind.
> > I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Prada compound today.
> > Mind you they are formidable opponents.
>
> It's begining to look like Luna Rossa looked so good (and won) in the
> previous round because Oracle were so bad at match racing...
Yes and in addition it may have made the Italian boat look better than it
actually is.
Given this morning's dream result (despite losing the start) things are
looking very positive for ETNZ.
sam
able to say they lost the start if the gain to LR to leeward would let
them cross ahead on port tack.
Tilly
> They didn't lose the start, they had better position, you would only
> be able to say they lost the start if the gain to LR to leeward would
> let them cross ahead on port tack.
Oh really Sam?
They say they lost the start. That's straight from ETNZ.
Tilly
Grant Dalton:
"They had a small advantage off the line (LR) and once we got in front we
were absolutely determined to stay there".
ITA 94 went to an immediate boat-length lead but NZL 92 found a little
better pressure in the right and reeled in the Italian advantage, then got
its bow in front.
sam
disadvantage, they were to leeward on starboard, that means they have to
get more advanced that that to lee bow tack or cross the windward boat.
sam
> sam wrote:
>> They didn't lose the start, they had better position, you would only
>> be able to say they lost the start if the gain to LR to leeward would
>> let them cross ahead on port tack.
>
> Oh really Sam?
> They say they lost the start. That's straight from ETNZ.
>
>
Mutlley
JohnO
> "Tilly" <Till...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:f3q79e$1j5$1...@aioe.org...
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Nice one Scrooge!
bharmer
(*sling)> wrote:
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>"Tilly" <Til...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:f3q79e$1j5$1...@aioe.org...
Yeah, the All Blacks have the same problem with that freeloader,
Graham Henry. Have you ever seen him in any lineouts recently? Why do
they keep him?