Treat all religions the Same.
grumpyoldhori
Damn what a good idea treating all religions the same is.
No allowing women to wear scarfs over their heads.
No religions getting services from councils that they do
not pay for.
No special favors of any kind.
And when they bring back compulsory military training, they
will all be there.
Including the extreme brethren who believe they are too
important to be risked.
There will be one standard,no exceptions,all religious
nutters and the heathen to be treated the same.
Now who is against equality.
grumpy
Annemarie
"grumpyoldhori" <grumpy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Damn what a good idea treating all religions the same is.
Does that include maori spiritual beliefs, like taniwhas and tapus?
Gib Bogle
Too F*ing right!
grumpyoldhori
> Too F*ing right!
Once they have paid me to get rid of all the taniwha.
grumpy
Annemarie
What about Tapu's Grumpy, like the Island in lake Taupo for instance, does
it become alright for picnicers to go there and play around the grave sites?
Gib Bogle
-Newsman-
If you're already in a hole, stop digging.
Gib Bogle
OK, but is it OK to picnic in cemeteries? Serious question. Some of
them would make quite nice picnic spots (like Hillsborough cemetery,
great view of the Manukau Harbour).
Annemarie
"Gib Bogle" <bo...@ihug.too.much.spam.co.nz> wrote in message
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Well the island in Lake Taupo is not a cemetary in the usual sense. There
are no gravestones and manicured lawns. However there are (I believe) some
very old bones of Maori chiefs in caves on the island.
I have stayed at Motutere camping area and looked out at the island and the
talk was that someone disturbed one of the sculls on the island and he and
his family came to tragic ends. It is of course all hear say. I do know
that the island is considered Tapu though.
BrentC
<grumpy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Damn what a good idea treating all religions the same is.
Ye, Lock up the lying cultist demented bastards and throw away the
key.
**************
BrentC
BrentC
One mans Tapu is anothers Motorway
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BrentC
grumpyoldhori
>
> What about Tapu's Grumpy, like the Island in lake Taupo for instance, does
> it become alright for picnicers to go there and play around the grave
> sites?
Hey why not,the Pakeha stole Maori coffins from caves in the
far north,so it seems only fair to dig a few Pakeha up.
Annemarie,want total equality,not a problem.
grumpy
David
If people wanna believe in God that's fine by me.
Fact is there can only be one god. Same god for everyone...
Gordon
> If people wanna believe in God that's fine by me.
>
> Fact is there can only be one god. Same god for everyone...
From acient times there have been many Gods.
David
"Gordon" <flas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Well in my opinion it is God by many names...
David.
Pooh
"David" <gos...@es.co.nz> wrote in message
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Valentine Michael Smith put it perfectly. "Thou art God!". You grok? ;O)
Pooh
David
"Pooh" <bgj...@ljuf.net.nz> wrote in message news:43ec...@clear.net.nz...
Whoever or whatever god is, god has a much better sense of bloody
humour than most people realise.... :<()
Pooh
He's responsible some believe, for people. That is surely a sign of his
sense of humour ;O)
Pooh
A. Lovejoy Prune
You won't have much left by the time you've paid for your taniwha
culling permit, WINZ registration and compliance for your taniwha
recovery vehicle and Council landfill fees for disposal in the Toxic
Spirits area of your local landfill.
A L P
A. Lovejoy Prune
>
> Well the island in Lake Taupo is not a cemetary in the usual sense. There
> are no gravestones and manicured lawns. However there are (I believe) some
> very old bones of Maori chiefs in caves on the island.
> I have stayed at Motutere camping area and looked out at the island and the
> talk was that someone disturbed one of the sculls on the island and he and
> his family came to tragic ends. It is of course all hear say. I do know
> that the island is considered Tapu though.
>
>
Gosh.
I knew a young man who came to a tragic end and he hadn't even been up
to the North Island.
A L P
A. Lovejoy Prune
>
> If people wanna believe in God that's fine by me.
>
> Fact is there can only be one god. Same god for everyone...
>
>
Tell that to a Hindu!
A L P
KeyMaster
"A. Lovejoy Prune" <pon...@vanitas.net.nz> wrote in message
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don't think she had even been to New Zealand. And yet there seems as though
there was a New Zealander involved. Tapu sure is strange.
David
Hmmm... sometime during my mispent youth I read the Upanishads...
Hindu and Bhuddist thought tends to see the material world as an illusion.
Solipsism would be the European equivalent.
All religions seem to have their literalists, even Maori with the pantheon
of gods...
...and then there are of course the 'true believers'... :>)
David
"grumpyoldhori" <grumpy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
Do marae have to pay rates on their property and pay for the services
they receive?
-David.
Annemarie
some old maori chiefs, no coffins, just bones in a cave with paintings and
carvings around them. It is apparently considered very Tapu.
Annemarie
geopelia
"BrentC" <bre...@WhoWantsTo.Know> wrote in message
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Yes, when public works are involved the bones of the ancestors get short
shrift.
I'm getting cremated and scattered. At least I'll fertilize a bit of ground
somewhere, unless I get blown out to sea. The human body is mainly water
anyway, and with the prevailing westerly winds that bit of me will end up on
the Western side of the Andes. Llamas here I come!
Geopelia
grumpyoldhori
> You missunderstand, it is (can't say burial, not buried) resting site of
> some old maori chiefs, no coffins, just bones in a cave with paintings and
> carvings around them. It is apparently considered very Tapu.
I know about the Island,I should,but hey,if you believe you
should break the tapu,go ahead.
And you believe cemeteries should be picnick areas?.
grumpy
grumpyoldhori
>
> You won't have much left by the time you've paid for your taniwha
> culling permit, WINZ registration and compliance for your taniwha
> recovery vehicle and Council landfill fees for disposal in the Toxic
> Spirits area of your local landfill.
>
> A L P
Damn,Hey but I can call myself a Taniwha consultant,and just
add those fees onto my bill,with a small 100% markup.
Who said Maori have learned nothing from the Pakeha.
grumpy
grumpyoldhori
>
> Do marae have to pay rates on their property and pay for the services
> they receive?
>
> -David.
Do churches?
grumpy
Annemarie
I would not break the Tapu, too superstitious I guess, apart from the fact
that it would be disrespectful.
Picnic in a cemetary - somehow that bothers me much less than the maori tapu
thing. Shrug.
What I was trying to see though was if you thought everybodies beliefs
should have the same respect, that the Tapu did not matter. Its probably on
a similar sort of level for maori as it is for muslims showing images of
mohammed. I just reckon where possible we should try not to disrespect
other peoples sacred stuff.
However the muslim reaction has been totally unjustified. Simply saying
they were offended would have been sufficient.
A. Lovejoy Prune
How come you buggers are such quick learners when you want to be!
A L P
A. Lovejoy Prune
I'd have no worries about picnicking in a cemetery - well, a beautiful
old one anyway. And especially if had relatives buried there. It would
be nice, I think, to imagine that Uncle Jim or my grandparents were also
enjoying the sandwiches and thermos coffee. Or other people's parents
and uncles. Giving them life for another moment, the life that exists
for as long as they are still alive in people's thoughts. Who can say
that Somebody's Darling is dead except in the literal sense, when he and
the man who buried Somebody's Darling touch the hearts of people year
after year!
A L P
Matty F
> "David" <gos...@es.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:dsh5uu$urk$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>If people wanna believe in God that's fine by me.
>>
>>Fact is there can only be one god. Same god for everyone...
>>
>
> Why?
If there were several gods, they would fight over who created
what, and who to smite next.
Annemarie
"Matty F" <ma...@INVALIDflebus.nz> wrote in message
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Good pic :o) But ya know there might be NO god!!
grumpyoldhori
> However the muslim reaction has been totally unjustified. Simply saying
> they were offended would have been sufficient.
Sorry,do you live in NZ,how was the NZ muslim reaction over
the top.
grumpy
Annemarie
Oh I was talking world wide, I figure you watch, listen to or read the news.
In NZ they were pretty cool :o)
David
As far as I know- no they don't.
Matty F
I am prepared to believe that some entity made the rules of
physics at the start of the universe, but is no longer
influencing anything.
geopelia
Look how the Mexicans behave towards their dead. Maybe they have the right
idea.
Geopelia
Pooh
"geopelia" <phil...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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I have made it clear that if anybody cries or looks sad at my memorial
service (the family insists on one) They're to be exicted. But why not go to
the cemetry for a picnic? The Irish have the deceased sitting up at the wake
or so I'm told is the tradition.
Pooh
Gib Bogle
> On , , Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:30:18 +1300, Re: Treat all religions
> the Same., Gib Bogle <bo...@ihug.too.much.spam.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
>>OK, but is it OK to picnic in cemeteries? Serious question. Some of
>>them would make quite nice picnic spots (like Hillsborough cemetery,
>>great view of the Manukau Harbour).
>
>
> The victorians (not the australians) used to picnic in
> cemeteries. There were often picnic tables set up. Cemeteries
> were treated more as a park than a necropolis.
>
> ---
>
> "I prefer the pleasure of writing bits of nonsense to that of wearing
> an embroidered coat which costs 800 francs." (Stendhal)
Sounds like a great idea. You could say you were communing with the
spirits of your ancestors.
Brian Dooley
<grumpy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Damn what a good idea treating all religions the same is.
> No allowing women to wear scarfs over their heads.
Or jews wearing the yarmulke or other orthodox clobber.
>
> No religions getting services from councils that they do
> not pay for.
>
> No special favors of any kind.
>
> And when they bring back compulsory military training, they
> will all be there.
> Including the extreme brethren who believe they are too
> important to be risked.
>
> There will be one standard,no exceptions,all religious
> nutters and the heathen to be treated the same.
>
> Now who is against equality.
> grumpy
--
Brian Dooley
Wellington New Zealand
anon k
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:48:29 +1300, grumpyoldhori
> <grumpy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Damn what a good idea treating all religions the same is.
>> No allowing women to wear scarfs over their heads.
>
>
> Or jews wearing the yarmulke or other orthodox clobber.
Like their unique fragrance, you mean?
Brian Dooley
What mean?
anon k
I've smelt a lot of orthodox Jews as they wandered past, and it's even
worse when using the subways when visiting New York. The smell is far
more offensive than a scarf or veil over the head or face. Unlike the
clothing, the smell actively enters your personal space.
Kerry
anon k <nos...@nul.nul> wrote:
Do orthodox jews not wash? Or do they bathe themselves in fragrant
substances?
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wait until you hire an amateur.
anon k
> In article <SM2Kf.1558$%m4....@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
> anon k <nos...@nul.nul> wrote:
>
>
>>Brian Dooley wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:36:38 GMT, anon k <nos...@nul.nul> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Brian Dooley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:48:29 +1300, grumpyoldhori
>>>>><grumpy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Damn what a good idea treating all religions the same is.
>>>>>>No allowing women to wear scarfs over their heads.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Or jews wearing the yarmulke or other orthodox clobber.
>>>>
>>>>Like their unique fragrance, you mean?
>>>
>>>
>>>What mean?
>>
>>I've smelt a lot of orthodox Jews as they wandered past, and it's even
>>worse when using the subways when visiting New York. The smell is far
>>more offensive than a scarf or veil over the head or face. Unlike the
>>clothing, the smell actively enters your personal space.
>
>
> Do orthodox jews not wash? Or do they bathe themselves in fragrant
> substances?
A great many of them smell like they don't wash, but whether that's
really the cause of the smell is not obvious to me. It could be diet or
something like that - who knows? I suppose I should find a polite way
to ask one next time I'm within nose-shot.
Brian Dooley
I have known more than several and couldn't say that about any of
them. I understand that many/most/all of the more relaxed Jews
dislike with more or less of a passion the ultra-orthodox type,
who are (NB Grumpy) excused military service.