http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/4824535/Kindy-kids-get-gun-licences
[begin quote]
Four-year-old preschooler Lucy Coup has already earned her own gun
licence. Like the other children at her Auckland kindergarten, and in
childcare centres around New Zealand, the youngster hangs the
laminated licence from a string around her neck when she plays with
her toy gun – but she must shoot at the target. "We don't shoot
people, because it might hurt them," Lucy says firmly.
Instead of banning gun play, many early education centres are adopting
a policy that sees children earn a "gun licence" once they brush up on
the dangers. In Wellington, Ngaio Kindergarten is among those who have
adopted the practice.
Lucy's grandmother, Dorothy Coup, was confused when she heard that her
grandchild was the bearer of a gun licence. At first she thought Lucy
must have picked up a discarded licence on the street – but when she
was told her granddaughter had been given it at kindergarten, she
thought it was a hoot. "When she came home with her gun licence, I
thought it was a very good compromise. If you've got little boys
running around and shooting everyone and disturbing people's play ...
then what a good idea."
The licences were introduced at Te Atatu Village Kindergarten last
month, after a group of rowdy boys pretended to shoot all the other
children with their fingers. Early childhood teacher Louise Samuels
said teachers decided to contain the gun play, making sure children
understood the real-life implications of guns and putting strict rules
in place.
"What I noticed in my other workplace, when we banned it, was that the
children would hide and shoot you – they get sneaky about it. The play
would turn quite negative. We teach them you don't leave [guns] lying
on the floor, you don't shoot people, you make sure you ask to borrow
someone else's gun."
If a child "pretend" shoots another child, they have their gun licence
revoked. All the guns are made by the children out of paper or
cardboard, and must be stored in a gun rack between play sessions.
Lucy's mum, Jules Coup, said it was good to teach children about the
rights and wrongs, especially young boys, who would "make a gun out of
a Marmite crust" if they could. "It has not been a negative thing in
any way. I think the teachers have been incredibly clever in the way
they have handled it. When Lucy came home with her gun licence we all
thought it was a bit of a joke, she gave it a go but found out it
wasn't really for her."
Central North Island Kindergarten Association general manager Jan
Ballantyne said labelling gun play as "bad" and banning it sent a
mixed message to children whose fathers were hunters, farmers or in
the armed services. "For us to be making value judgments like that is
quite wrong, but children need to know that there are rules. It's
important for children to know, yes, there are guns, they can kill,
and there are rules around that."
The Wellington Kindergarten Association said it was aware of some
kindergartens in the area introducing the policy. Ngaio Kindergarten
head teacher Rebecca Cross said that, in the 18 months since gun
licences had been introduced, they had made a positive impact.
"Children will always make guns, whether it's in front of you or
behind your back, so we thought it was better to teach them about
safety."
[End quote]
Well. On the one hand, kids will love it, because it's realistic and
grown-up. I watched kids driving on a course at Legoland where they
had to obey all the road rules, and they were thrilled.
On the other hand, how can you play cops-and-robbers without shooting
each other? How can you get the award for Best Die-er without being
shot? Play is not real, it's play. Kids seem to have a primal urge to
experiment with war games; who are we to ban that?
A small step for kindergartens, a giant leap for the fascism -
teaching kids that property is a priviledge and that there is no
difference between a gun and a firearm.
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Bollocks! At last some educators are approaching the subjest of guns with
common sense! Good on them about time the PC bullshit was done away with.
Pooh
> Bollocks! At last some educators are approaching the subjest of guns with
> common sense! Good on them about time the PC bullshit was done away with.
Will they be building their own nuclear reactors next?
Whereas some in a radio report saw such actions as being in themselves
merely being the new (RWNJ) politically correct . . .
Only pretend ones like Chernobyl.
Tony
> > Four-year-old preschooler Lucy Coup has already earned her own gun
> > licence.
>
> A small step for kindergartens, a giant leap for the fascism -
> teaching kids that property is a priviledge and that there is no
> difference between a gun and a firearm.
> *****************************************************************************
>
> Bollocks! At last some educators are approaching the subjest of guns with
> common sense! Good on them about time the PC bullshit was done away with.
>
> Pooh
How is it common sense to misinform children about guns and their use?
The law looks to the intent - that's why the word firearm is used in
the legislation.
The state teaching kids about guns & violence has seriously bad
history:
Schoolchildren were left in tears after seeing one of their teachers
shot down by a crazed gunman in the playground in a role-playing stunt
organised by staff.
Blackminster Middle School in Evesham, Worcs, faced condemnation from
parents after their children were left traumatised by the mock
shooting.
The youngsters, aged between 10 and 13, thought they were taking part
in a fire drill when an alarm bell rang and they were ushered out into
the playground.
But they were left in terror as a man appeared brandishing a gun and
appeared to shoot dead Richard Kent, their science teacher, as he ran
across a field.
Following a loud bang simulating a gunshot, other staff involved in
the act rushed to the teacher's aid and appeared to try to resuscitate
him.
There was a delay of 10 minutes before weeping pupils were taken back
to the assembly hall where teachers explained that the pretend
shooting had been laid on as part of a science lesson.
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You can realy stretch things can't you Colp. How do you equate what the
kindergartens are doing with this rant? Your like Richie, comparing apples
and oranges to make a point. It's not working your just showing yourself to
be a dupe of every pc horror story out there.
Pooh
> You can realy stretch things can't you Colp. How do you equate what the
> kindergartens are doing with this rant?
I didn't equate them, and it wasn't a rant. I pointed out the state
teaching kids about guns & violence has some seriously bad history.
The fact that the two cases have common elements doesn't mean that
they are the same in all respects - but it does prompt the question of
why the kindergartens are misleading the kids about guns and the law.
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Just how are they misleading the kids. It's against the law to point a
firearm at people or shoot them. Your also responsable for your firearms
under the law. The Kindergartens seem to be covering it pretty well.
Certainly not misleading them in any way.
Pooh
I find it hard to draw a corrilation between guns and a nuclear reactor!
That is one of the most irrisponsible examples of education I have ever
heard of.
Its all part of the new "Good Ol' Boys politically-correct attempts to
'normalise' more people having firearms - they know that by following
Nat/ACT policies there will be a need for the 'protection' of being
able to shoot those who become sufficiently desperate.
That makes as much sense as your blaming "socialists" for an
initiative picked up by a few early education centres.
Next you will be claiming that fish and chips are an ideological
attempt to take over New Zealand by extremist libertarians!
It's about reality Richie rather than the red marxist society Labour and the
Greens tried to foist on us.
> That makes as much sense as your blaming "socialists" for an
> initiative picked up by a few early education centres.
>
Got to agree. Clark and her cronies wern't socialists they were marxists
trying to resurect the old USSR in miniature.
> Next you will be claiming that fish and chips are an ideological
> attempt to take over New Zealand by extremist libertarians!
Nope. That's a traditional meal we share with our British ancestors.
Pooh
You obviously missed the next paragraph:
>> That makes as much sense as your blaming "socialists" for an
>> initiative picked up by a few early education centres.
>>
>Got to agree. Clark and her cronies wern't socialists they were marxists
>trying to resurect the old USSR in miniature.
Only a fascist would think that.
>> Next you will be claiming that fish and chips are an ideological
>> attempt to take over New Zealand by extremist libertarians!
>
>Nope. That's a traditional meal we share with our British ancestors.
>
>Pooh
Wow - well done - but the statemtn makes as much sense as your initial
assertion.
I don't know if it is reckless stupidity or plain evil. The thing
about science is that it is repeatable. What were they thinking of,
traumatizing the kids on a weekly basis?
Only a true facist would have tried that Richie.
>>> Next you will be claiming that fish and chips are an ideological
>>> attempt to take over New Zealand by extremist libertarians!
>>
>>Nope. That's a traditional meal we share with our British ancestors.
>>
>>Pooh
> Wow - well done - but the statemtn makes as much sense as your initial
> assertion.
>
Your dribbling again Richie.
Pooh
> Only a true facist would have tried that Richie.
Yeah, a scalpist or a buttocksist or a behind-the-earsist wouldn’t.
That you consider firearms to be abnormal speaks volumes for your
being quite out of touch with the:
- defence force, for whom firearms are a tool of the trade
- police force, for whom firearms are a tool of the trade
- pest destruction staff, for whom firearms are a tool of the trade
- estimated 300,000 hunters and recreational firearms users in NZ
No wonder one of your own MPs is calling your party out of touch with
the people of this country. Which are you rich-bot:
- one of the gaggle of gays?
- one of the self-serving unionists?
Not to mention they're very handy for keeping your freedom when governments
start getting to dictatorial.
> No wonder one of your own MPs is calling your party out of touch with
> the people of this country. Which are you rich-bot:
> - one of the gaggle of gays?
> - one of the self-serving unionists?
My bet: Richies a gay unionist....... His posts seem to suggest this.
Pooh
Above you say " think you are the only bum bandit here"
And yet you've accused many posters of being homosexuals.
Make your mind up. Your salf-contradictions and mental convolutions
are coming to the fore again.
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It's scooter. He's hoping for a date with Richie. It'd be a marriage made in
heaven M-C:O)
Pooh
Firstly, I challenge you to prove that claim that "You came out and
admitted that you were" homosexual.
Secondly, your avoidance of my observations of your own self-
contradiction (as usual, for a mentally unwell and medicated moron
like you) is noted
Well, Greg/scooter has failed in every other relationship (or anything
elese, for that matter) in his life. Maybe he's been sabotaging his
rellationships and abusing the sexuality of others as he struggles
with his own?
"correcter"? Try following your own advice, you retard.
> Do me the minimal courtesy of replying to me at the same level as I do to you.
> It is the very least you can do.
> I feel I am totally wasting my time attempting to explain to a person as
> illiterate as you are.
> I will still continue to insult you as required.
>
> --
> "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor
> to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
> Anatole France.
Try following your own advice, you retard. There was no error in my
punctuation. However you should have placet a comma between
'punctuate' and 'you'.
You are one sad little failure of a human, Scooter. You can't even get
your flaming right and end up setting yourself on fire. ROTFLMAO @
Scooter.
If you consider yourself successful, it is only because you have set
the bar so low.
Then why did you reply to my post, retard?
>
> > However you should have placet
>
> How does one "PLACET" Johntardboy?
> Or do you merely not know how to spell, you mutton head?
> It isn't a typo because the "t" and "d" are on separate rows of the keyboard and
> not abutting each other.
What do you think is the reason for the error, retard?
>
> > a comma between 'punctuate' and 'you'.
>
> >You are one sad little failure of a human, Scooter. You can't even get
> >your flaming right and end up setting yourself on fire. ROTFLMAO @
> >Scooter.
>
> You are even more moronically retarded Johntardboy, you flame me and make an
> egregious mistake in your flame.
> You really are the weakest link.
> That will teach you to be so fecking smart.
How low? Well, Scooter is an unemployed toilet cleaner. His marriage
failed almost instantly and his poor former wife fled the country. He
has no friends and admits going months at a time with no visitors. He
is an alcoholic and has a compulsive obsession with homosexuality and
pedophilia.
Yep, if he thinks that is success, the bar isn't just low, it's buried
in a cesspit.
Riiiight. Might have known you'd go for an idiot's choice.
The one and only possibility that Scooter goes for the idiot's choice?
Correct.
Oh how I have missed him these last few days, I agree with the last comment
> > The one and only possibility that Scooter goes for the idiot's choice?
> > Correct.
Indeed correct, and are you aware there is a file somewhere of Scooterisms,
massive file even when it seemed to go into recess, but might I add tothe
above comment
"The second only possibility if the first predicted choice fails or is not
relevent, is to call a person a pedophile and run and hide for days until
it appears the accused has gone away"
--
"I don't have to "try" Richard, nastiness and offensiveness
comes naturally to me. I actually have to concentrate and try
not to post that stuff on a continuous basis." Mgr Scooter (aka
Gwegory Bwuce Dowle) 1st February 2011 1304 hours
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Isn't scoots delusiional? Or was he just overdosing on his happy pills?
Pooh
You tell me, you laughable failure of a human being.
Don't you even know? How sad.
You do know his mother tried to abort him, so when he was delivered and she
heard his first cry, she wept not for joy but in deep pain and sorrow
knowing her child would always be unloved, unable to be loved and would
drain love and positive things in people dry, she endured a scalding bath
and entire bottle of gin, he didnt move for a while and she was certain he
had died, but alas, and as Gweg is as low and vile to suggest Robins child
should have self aborted to avoid being connected in any way to their
father, now the opposite has taken place, his por mother went to her grave
a troubled woman, she knew that her Gwegory was full of daekness, a dnager
towards others, and unaqble to love or be loved, and she was right, look
what we have in our midst! a genuine failed abortion.
> On , , Sat, 16 Apr 2011 03:56:16 -0700 (PDT), Re: Kids-n-guns, JohnO
> You are the one who wrote it.
> Are you now writing things you don't know anuything about?
> You have fallen even further than I had thought.
>
> --
> "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor
> to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
> Anatole France.
Show of hands of who gives shit what the failed abortion thinks? Mmmmm no
habds
What is "iherantly"? Oh, don't tell me, it's an alternative spelling!
ROTFLMAO @ the failure of a human being known as Scooter.
Hey retard, want to have another go at 'inherently'? Maybe you can get
it right after three attempts by copying it?
I can confidently say, retard, that everyone who reads the original
post would know that 'placet' is mistyped 'placed'. This is obvious in
the context, and anyone with better than subnormal IQ would realise
this.It is sad that you didn't realise this and have had so much
trouble understanding. What is even more sad is that you had two gos
at 'inherently' and still couldn't get it right. To make it even more
hilarious, you claimed 'inherantly' was an acceptable alternate
spelling. Truly sad.
Nope. All we see here is a little mistyping and in particular you
shouting to the world that you have no clue.
>
> >It is sad that you didn't realise this and have had so much
> >trouble understanding.
>
> It took four challenges before you admitted you couldn't spell "misplaced".
No. I think the word in question was 'placed'. And anyone who thinks
'placet' instead of 'placed' is down to not knowing how to spell
'placed' is shouting to the world that they are desperate for an
argument, no matter how weak.
>
> >What is even more sad is that you had two gos at 'inherently' and still
> >couldn't get it right.
>
> I knew all along what you were caviling about.
> I taunted you by saying it was an alternative spelling and you swallowed the
> bait.
Laughable. Keep shouting Scooter, this is hilarious. Next you'll roll
out how someone forged your post, or that hysterical old chestnut
about a book! ROTFLMAO!
>
> >To make it even more hilarious, you claimed 'inherantly' was an acceptable
> >alternate spelling.
>
> I said nothing of the kind, I merely said it was an alternative spelling, I made
> no claim as to it being acceptable, you jumped to that conclusion.
Laughable.
>
> >Truly sad.
>
> And then you misspelled it and wouldn't admit it.
> You asked me what "iherantly" was, why the hell should I know?
> I have never spelled it like that.
Yes you did:
http://groups.google.com/group/nz.general/msg/5af2e8218ec338b2?dmode=source
It does make me laugh.
> That was what you have been aiming for all along.
No. I just like to give you every opportunity to continue making a
dick of yourself, and you keep lapping it up. All in all, quite
entertaining.
> On , , Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:40:42 -0700 (PDT), Re: Kids-n-guns, JohnO
> I'm sorry for you Johntardboy.
Apart from insulting John which I am sure goes right off his back, have you
ever stopped to think you are actually being totally disresectful of people
who do experience intellectual disability, the archaic word being retarded,
you know this, I guess having a flakey brother who was a retard, I hope he
has been institutionalised after living with mummy and daddy up til
recently, it would be unfair to keep him mollycoddled at home until your
long suffering parents cark it and there is no one to care for him at home,
you would be too selfish and unaware of his needs, but then again, being
left alone with a man who is able to get an erection yet not aware of how
to use it, I can see how you would make him a silent victim also you filthy
pervert, incest is an abomonation to your god. I sincerely hope he is
traken care of by caring and trained people and you finally get exposed and
sent to jail.
> --
> "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor
> to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
> Anatole France.