Jihad Muslim officer massacres American soldiers in Texas
Willy Nilly
jihadists.
willy
David
Reports are that he was an Army Psychiatrist who was due
for deployment to Iraq.
-D.
Petito
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Hasan was giving away his belongings and handing out copies of the Koran at
Fort hood in recent days which should have raised alarm bells.
His background:
WASHINGTON - Born and reared in Virginia, the son of immigrant parents from
a small Palestinian town in the West Bank near Jerusalem, he joined the
Army right out of high school, against his parents' wishes. The Army, in
turn, put him through college and then medical school, where he trained to
be a psychiatrist .................
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33704314/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/
Hasan is a U.S.-born Muslim of Palestinian descent whose parents came to
the United States from the West Bank. He joined the military after high
school and earned medical degrees as he rose through the ranks, family
members said.
A doctor in the Medical Corps, Hasan was promoted to major last year,
according to the Congressional Record.
Hasan, 39, is a psychiatrist, according to acquaintances of his in
Washington, and a Pentagon source said he was recently reassigned from
Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington to work with soldiers at
Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood.
He previously lived in Montgomery County, Md., and Arlington, Va., in
addition to Roanoke and nearby Vinton, Va. He graduated from Virginia
Tech and earned his medical degree at Bethesda's Uniformed Services
University of the Health Sciences, records show.
Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was "very
devout," according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said
Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in
his Army fatigues.
Khan also said Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that
matches Muslims looking for spouses. "I don't think he ever had a match,
because he had too many conditions," Khan said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/05/AR2009110503467.html?hpid%3Dtopnews
Brian Dooley
What's your take on psychiatrists?
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> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:05:35 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy
> Nilly) wrote:
>
>>You can't trust any Muslim with weapons, they are all sleeper
>>jihadists.
>
> What's your take on psychiatrists?
> --
>
>
What take about psychiatrists? My uncle was one and he was a bit nuts IMO.
lol
It seems there were plenty of warning signs that Maj. Hasan could go ape.
The Daily Mail has some interesting newly released information as well as
CCTV pics of Major Hasan shopping in full Muslim garb with a huge grin on
his face on Thursday morning.
The danger signs were there :
QUOTE:
........Retired Colonel Terry Lee who worked with the major said: 'He was so
outspoken I once said to him, "Look, you got to cool it".
'He was reacting with open glee at the death of some soldiers by a suicide
bomber. I told him, "You might not agree with this but this is the army and
we are here to serve the country.'
Mr Lee said Hasan repeatedly stated: 'Muslims should rise up against the
aggressors.'
Geopelia
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Why didn't the American army discharge him?
What would the British army have done with him, I wonder?
Petito
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Apparently he applied to be discharged and the army refused to do so.
>
> What would the British army have done with him, I wonder?
>
One good thing about him being alive is that we might get to hear from the
horses mouth why he did what he did.I doubt a psychiatrist is going to plead
insanity. lol
Information about him is being released on an ongoing basis.
Hasan is described as:
a.. Single with no children. He was born in America but gave his
nationality as Palestinian
b.. A devout Muslim who had frequent arguments with military colleagues
who supported the War on Terror
c.. Desperate to avoid deployment to Iraq at the end of the year. He
claimed to have been harassed by colleagues for his religious beliefs
d.. Allegedly responsible for internet postings supporting suicide
bombers. Officials were tipped off six months ago but no formal
investigation had been launched
Petito
>
> Why didn't the American army discharge him?
>
> What would the British army have done with him, I wonder?
>
Changing the subject briefly Geopelia , it seems security is a bit lax on
some US military bases:
Seniors Break Into Military Base
The U.S. Navy is reviewing its security policies following an embarrassing
breach this week in Washington State. Five anti-war protesters were able to
cut through a perimeter fence around Naval Base Kitsap and walk around the
base undetected for four and a half hours. The group included three people
in the 60's and three in their 80's.
The group was protesting the nuclear weapons kept at the base and hoped to
get as close to them as possible. Members claim when they cut through a
second and then a third fence they were within fifty yards of a bunker where
nuclear warheads are stored. The Navy dismisses that but will not divulge
how close the group got to weapons. It only released a statement saying that
'at no time was the safety of Navy personnel, property or the public
threatened in any way.'
The group was swarmed by Marines and arrested shortly after cutting through
the third fence. They were charged with trespassing and destruction of
military property, both misdemeanors punishable by up to a year in jail.
Naval Base Kitsap is home to a fleet of 11 submarines. Eight of those subs
are equipped to fire the trident nuclear missiles. Also, the base reportedly
is the storage facility for more than 23-hundred nuclear warheads
representing about one-quarter of the nation's nuclear arsenal.
The protestors have all been released and are awaiting an initial appearance
in federal court.
Petito
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> Why didn't the American army discharge him?
>
> What would the British army have done with him, I wonder?
I just heard Gen Cone say that survivors of the rampage that killed 13 and
wounded 30 said the suspect, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, shouted "Allahu
Akbar!" - "God is great!" in Arabic before opening fire, however officials
are yet to confirm it..
John Cawston
Not much.. and they've undoubtedly had their problems. A big
military like the US is really just a gigantic civil service many
times the size of the NZ Public Service. It will come as no
surprise that Hasan had a poor record and was shifted to Fort
Hood and promoted. The usual combo of inefficiency and rampant PC.
JC
>
>
Petito
David
> > Why didn't the American army discharge him?
>
> > What would the British army have done with him, I wonder?
>
> Changing the subject briefly Geopelia , it seems security is a bit lax on
> some US military bases:
Hmmm on the face of it this looks like another college killing-
a nerd's revenge...
terrible vengeance...
Geopelia
How do Americans choose their officers?
Is there any selection process for officer candidates in peacetime, like
Britain's WOSB?
And don't they have an honour system in training, as shown in films?
Perhaps there is something to be said for Britain's class system, after all.
Willy Nilly
>Hmmm on the face of it this looks like another college killing-
>a nerd's revenge...
>
>terrible vengeance...
Why are you so desperate to hide the Islamic Jihad?
David
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, David <dafyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Hmmm on the face of it this looks like another college killing-
> >a nerd's revenge...
>
> >terrible vengeance...
>
> Why are you so desperate to hide the Islamic Jihad?
The murderer is still alive... i am sure the motive will emerge...
at first sight, based on information so far the motive was personal,
not political...
all us forensic amateurs will be watching the information stream
closely.
Willy Nilly
>at first sight, based on information so far the motive was personal,
>not political...
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Petito
It was a very well planned premeditated attack.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33737596/ns/us_news-tragedy_at_fort_hood/
David
He planned for it on the day... ...so far there is no evidence
that anyone else was involved...
there is evidence of his thinking at the time and leading
up to this event...
obviously when the carnage erupted the army acted
to maim but not to kill. They have their evidence.
I assume there will be a court-martial. Round the world
this is a time to be calm. The truth, the facts most likely
will come out...
-D.
Petito
Yes he will be court martialed and word is they will be seeking the death
penalty.
This from a friend who is based at Fort Hood.
QUOTE:
His trial will be a military court. , wont be a Texas civilian court
anyways as military installations are federal jurisdiction, could be
federal court I suppose but am sure the military will carry out the justice
on
this one.
He certainly could get the death penalty from this military court (there
are over a dozen crimes, some of which must occur during time of war-
which I do not know if GWOT or whatever we are calling it now qualifies
there or not <1/2g>).. . Reagan reintroduced the death penalty after a
short lapse, as well, a sentence of life without the possibility of
parole is something that came about in his tenure. If a service member
gets the death penalty, the President must personally confirm it.
Gray is still holding his breath.. ( a serial killer soldier who raped
,sodomised and murdered women including women soldiers 20 years ago, he was
due to be executed any day but got a stay)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_the_United_States_military
David
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, David <dafyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >at first sight, based on information so far the motive was personal,
> >not political...
>
> There are none so blind as those who will not see.
oh, i see it is your thread....lol...
David
>
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well this is the glory of usenet... from the horse's mouth...
getting our information without any political bias...
thanks...
misanthropic_curmudgeon
[snip]
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33704314/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/05/AR200...
Big-ups to the cop-ette, by the sounds of things.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10607870
[begin quote]
[T]he death toll could have been far higher had it not been for
Sergeant Kimberly Munley, a civilian police officer who arrived at the
scene roughly three minutes in, and managed to disarm Major Hasan
after shooting him four times.
Sergeant Munley was wounded by a bullet that passed through both her
legs. Her actions were "amazing and aggressive," he said.
"She was... one of our most impressive young policemen. She walked up
and basically engaged him. I think, certainly, this could've been far
worse."
[end quote]
Brian Dooley
He wouldn't have lasted that long - not with the military
hospitals filling up.
Brian Dooley
Perhaps because it's all bollocks.
Get back to your cardinal numbers.
Or preferably something you understand.
Brian Dooley
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:15:18 +1300, "Petito" <pet...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Such as?
>>A big
>> military like the US is really just a gigantic civil service many
>> times the size of the NZ Public Service. It will come as no
>> surprise that Hasan had a poor record and was shifted to Fort
>> Hood and promoted. The usual combo of inefficiency and rampant PC.
Out of your vast experience of military matters, what else would
you suggest?
>He was promoted in April 2008 and only moved to Fort Hood 4 months ago.
Meaning what?
Brian Dooley
Remember My Lai and Lieutenant Calley?
>And don't they have an honour system in training, as shown in films?
>
If they did it would be an 'honor system'. Never trust people who
can't spell.
>Perhaps there is something to be said for Britain's class system, after all.
>
But very little.
David
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:15:18 +1300, "Petito" <pet...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >John Cawston wrote:
> >> Geopelia wrote:
> >>> "Petito" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:hd0o2m$nar$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >>>> --
> >>>> PB1...@gmail.com
> >>>>news:tum7f5l58s7l4t0ai...@4ax.com...
> >>>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:05:35 GMT, willyni...@qwert.com (Willy
> >>>>> Nilly) wrote:
>
> >>>>>> You can't trust any Muslim with weapons, they are all sleeper
> >>>>>> jihadists.
> >>>>> What's your take on psychiatrists?
> >>>>> --
>
> >>>> What take about psychiatrists? My uncle was one and he was a bit
> >>>> nuts IMO. lol
>
> >>>> It seems there were plenty of warning signs that Maj. Hasan could
> >>>> go ape. The Daily Mail has some interesting newly released information
> >>>> as
> >>>> well as CCTV pics of Major Hasan shopping in full Muslim garb with
> >>>> a huge grin on his face on Thursday morning.
>
> >>>> The danger signs were there :
>
> >>>> QUOTE:
>
> >>>> ........Retired Colonel Terry Lee who worked with the major said:
> >>>> 'He was so outspoken I once said to him, "Look, you got to cool it".
>
> >>>> 'He was reacting with open glee at the death of some soldiers by a
> >>>> suicide bomber. I told him, "You might not agree with this but this
> >>>> is the army and we are here to serve the country.'
>
> >>>> Mr Lee said Hasan repeatedly stated: 'Muslims should rise up
> >>>> against the aggressors.'
>
>
> >>> Why didn't the American army discharge him?
>
> >>> What would the British army have done with him, I wonder?
>
> >> Not much.. and they've undoubtedly had their problems.
>
> Such as?
>
> >>A big
> >> military like the US is really just a gigantic civil service many
> >> times the size of the NZ Public Service. It will come as no
> >> surprise that Hasan had a poor record and was shifted to Fort
> >> Hood and promoted. The usual combo of inefficiency and rampant PC.
>
> Out of your vast experience of military matters, what else would
> you suggest?
>
> >He was promoted in April 2008 and only moved to Fort Hood 4 months ago.
>
> Meaning what?
Information to date indicates that Major
Hasan went awol in the upstairs department.
Some mitigating circumstances have come to
light so far. of course they are no justification
for the horrendous crime he committed.
I note the Fox are featuring a shoot-out by a disgruntled
employee in Orlando.
It will be interesting to see how this episode in history
plays out....
Petito
He wasn't promoted when he moved to Fort Hood he was promoted more than a
year beforehand even though they were critical of his performance at Walter
Reid.
Petito
<clipped>
> well this is the glory of usenet... from the horse's mouth...
>
> getting our information without any political bias...
>
> thanks...
The Army psychiatrist suspected in Thursday's deadly Fort Hood rampage in
Texas could get the death penalty if he is convicted of multiple counts of
first-degree murder - and military law experts say the evidence against him
will be substantial.
American-born Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan has yet to be charged but is expected
to face at least 13 counts of murder, one for each of the victims who died,
as well as numerous assault and weapons charges in a court-martial.
"Obviously, we're all guessing, but it's reasonable to believe that he will
be convicted and sentenced to death," said retired Navy lawyer Philip Cave,
now a military crimes defense attorney.
Cave estimated that Hasan, 39, would spend between five and 15 years in the
military's court martial system.
"It will be a long charge sheet," military law scholar Richard Rosen told
KCBD.com, "one longer than I've ever seen in my life time in the Army."
Though the number of wounded has fluctuated, at least 30, including Hasan,
and possibly up to 38 were injured in the mass shooting at the Army base in
Killeen.
Army Secretary John McHugh said Friday an investigation is proceeding but no
charges have yet been filed.
Cave said if Hasan's lawyers can show that he himself was suffering from
post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) - which can happen to psychiatrists
and can be a successful legal strategy - then they might use that in their
defense in an attempt to land Hasan a lesser sentence.
But Cave doesn't think Hasan would be sentenced to anything less than life
in prison.
Terror charges also could be filed, he said, but only if the government has
hard evidence that Hasan was linked to and acting on behalf of an actual
terrorist group.
In trying to prove premeditation, Cave expects prosecutors to point to the
fact that Hasan had been saying goodbye to friends and giving away most of
his belongings, including copies of the Koran, and left several messages for
neighbors the morning of the killings.
"Nice knowing you, old friend," Hasan said in a 5 a.m. Thursday voicemail to
neighbor Willie Bell. "I'm going to miss you."
Cave said the defense probably would counter that those actions were those
of a man about to be sent overseas to war.
Petito
The latest from my friend is that apparently patients of Hasan had made
comments that he was in more need of attention than them.
David
yes....many in the caring industry seem to be like that...
I have contact with some one associated with the Orlando shooting...
its a small world out there...
Petito
Hasan is conscious and talking.
You may find the following interesting :
..............The Army leadership at Fort Hood will "take a very hard look
at ourselves and look at anything that might have been done to have
prevented this," he said at a news conference.
"Hasan was a soldier, and we have other soldiers ... that might have some of
the same stress and indicators that he has," Cone said. "We have to look
across our entire formation, not just in a medical community, but really
look hard to our right and left. That's the responsibility for everybody,
from the top to the bottom, to make sure we're taking care of our own."
Cone said Monday that he has instructed commanders at Fort Hood to
"immediately take a hard look and make sure if there's anybody out there
struggling [that] we're going to address their issues.".................
Roger Dewhurst
Too PC.
>
> What would the British army have done with him, I wonder?
He might not have got through the selection process, at least as an officer.
R
>
>
John Cawston
Translation. The army has a vested interest in shifting the blame
for failing to recognise and sort the clear signs of a mass
murderer.. to a condition related to war.
JC
>
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/09/fort.hood.shootings/
>
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Sailor Sam
Did nobody notice that this guy had been trying to get out of the Army,
because of his beliefs, for some time. He (apparently) even had lawyers
trying to get him out of it.
Geopelia
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Brian Dooley
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wrote:
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>
>
>Did nobody notice that this guy had been trying to get out of the Army,
>because of his beliefs, for some time. He (apparently) even had lawyers
>trying to get him out of it.
In the British forces he could have bought himself out at one
time, and perhaps he still could today.
Brian Dooley
I don't think too many shrinks come out of the 'county set' or
army families.
Geopelia
But does the British Army bother with shrinks? A bellowing sergeant might do
more good!
Brian Dooley
Probably, but traditionally it shot people for malingering.
>A bellowing sergeant might do more good!
>
Today they keep a few for old times sake, mainly at
Catterick.
Geopelia
That was brought in after my time.
In my day, girls wanting out used to get themselves pregnant.
The Army could have made a bit of cash if they had let the National Service
boys buy themselves out.
Cath Rodreguiz
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> > On 6 Nov, 14:05, willyni...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
>
> >> You can't trust any Muslim with weapons, they are all sleeper
> >> jihadists.
>
>
> > Reports are that he was an Army Psychiatrist who was due
> > for deployment to Iraq.
>
> > -D.
>
> Hasan was giving away his belongings and handing out copies of the Koran at
> Fort hood in recent days which should have raised alarm bells.
>
Obviously you aren't familiar with pre-deployments!
It's not unsual for military pers to sell and/or give away belongings
including furniture prior to being deployed or transferred.
It was quite possible he may have been moving back into a BOQ
facility prior to deploying i.e. gave up his rental and moved on base
[or into a motel as sometimes happens/receives per diem].
Cath Rodreguiz
Loose lips sink ships - remind your friend.
In this case, there will be a certain amount of 'gossip' but then it
often gets taken out of context and added to etc etc etc which the
defence can gather and use in their favour citing he won't get 'a
fair trial'. From relatives also at Foot Hood and other
installations, the word is zip it. Ditto from a family friend who
is a psychatrist treating military pers.
Petito
Maj. Nidal M. Hasan, the Army psychiatrist who (guess I'd better put
"allegedly" in here until the results of a trial) killed 13 people at
Fort Hood, was supposed to discuss a medical topic during a
presentation to senior Army doctors in June 2007. Instead, he lectured
on Islam, suicide bombers and threats the military could encounter from
Muslims conflicted about fighting wars in Muslim countries. He warned
that to avoid "adverse events," the military should allow Muslim
soldiers to be released as conscientious objectors instead of fighting
in wars against other Muslims.
This link has his powerpoint presentation.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2009/11/10/GA2009111000920.html?sid=ST2009110903704
~~~~~
Connecting the Dots
By Jonah Goldberg
"As a senior-year psychiatric resident at Walter Reed Army Medical
Center, Maj. Nidal M. Hasan was supposed to make a presentation on a
medical topic of his choosing as a culminating exercise of the residency
program," reports the Washington Post.
Hasan went a different way. He opted to give a bizarre PowerPoint
presentation in which he defended suicide bombing, explaining that
non-believers should be beheaded, be burned alive, and have boiling oil
poured down their throats (presumably not in that order). He argued that
all Muslims should be discharged from the military.
One slide concluded: "We love death more then [sic] you love life!"
According to the Post, the medical staff in attendance was deeply
disturbed by the incident. But there's apparently no record of anyone's
reporting it to authorities. That would be insensitive and
discriminatory.
The following year, intelligence officials discovered that Hasan had
been sending e-mails to Anwar al-Aulaqi, a prominent American-born
radical cleric now based in Yemen with ties to al-Qaeda.
The FBI concluded it was no big deal and dropped the matter.
"Investigators," reports the Post, "said Hasan's e-mails were consistent
with the topic of his academic research and involved some social chatter
and religious discourse."
Ah yes, his "academic research," which was laid out so rigorously in his
PowerPoint presentation.
[article continues]
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2FjZjA5YjMxYmM2ZmNhZjQ3ODQ4MzQ0OWVmYmFhZjE=&w=MA==
Brian Dooley
It's actually a ancient practice called 'scutage' or 'shield
money'.