Hottest Decade - No Hard Data
Patrick FitzGerald
NIWA claims that the last decade was the hottest in NZ history but
they are very backward in coming forward with the numbers to back up
this claim.
A search of NIWAS's site fails to reveal the numbers and a google
search also shows no numbers.
I wonder if the increase is so minute that NIWA is too embarrassed to
share it with us.
More telling there are no statistics to show the rise, rumoured to be
a few hundredths of a degree, is statistically significant
Patrick
Matty F
Possibly the numbers are there on the NIWA site. You'll have to get an
account, tell them why you want the data, and promise to keep the data
secret. You'll have to figure out what weather stations they used and
what the names of the stations are. There may be many stations in one
area but they will just give you one of them, for a very limited
period. The data will be in some very inconvenient form, and you won't
be sure what adjustments have been made if any. The data won't cover
the period you asked for, and it won't be clear why.
When you plot the data on a graph there will be places where the
figures lurch up or down suddenly for a few years in a row. Clearly
something happened that they won't tell you about.
There will be plenty of missing days or months or years of data.
The NIWA data will not match GISS data for the same weather station.
JohnO
The decade's increase is apparently 0.07 C.
Well that's worth giving the economy a right fucking for, isn't it?
EMB
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>
> NIWA claims that the last decade was the hottest in NZ history but
> they are very backward in coming forward with the numbers to back up
> this claim.
>
> A search of NIWAS's site fails to reveal the numbers and a google
> search also shows no numbers.
>
> I wonder if the increase is so minute that NIWA is too embarrassed to
> share it with us.
It's worse than "so minute", it's arguably not even real.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/3210444/Doubts-cast-on-warmest-decade
colp
> they are very backward in coming forward with the numbers to back up
> this claim.
This from the same NIWA which can't explain the adjustments that
Salinger (ex CRU employee) made to the temperature data, only
describing the Wellington station movements when Wellington has the
lowest adjustement of the seven locations used by NIWA for it's
official figures.
As the rodent in chief would say: "If it was incorrect, then it didn't
come from the IPCC."
On the natural causes front, the solar geomagnetic index has reaced a
new low, which means cooler temperatures are to be expected if
Svensmark is correct about the link between CGR and cloud cover.
Will Spencer
Yes, since globaly the observed warming is 0.74'C and accelerating and
responsible for melting glaciers, melting polar ice caps, change in the
time of first frost, last thaw, plant and animal migration, warming of the
ocean, lower atmosphere, etc. etc. etc.
Wake up and smell the coffee John Oh!
-ws
colp
> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:39:17 -0800 (PST), JohnO wrote:
> > On Jan 7, 9:27 am, Patrick FitzGerald <a...@b.com> wrote:
> >> NIWA claims that the last decade was the hottest in NZ history but
> >> they are very backward in coming forward with the numbers to back up
> >> this claim.
>
> >> A search of NIWAS's site fails to reveal the numbers and a google
> >> search also shows no numbers.
>
> >> I wonder if the increase is so minute that NIWA is too embarrassed to
> >> share it with us.
>
> >> More telling there are no statistics to show the rise, rumoured to be
> >> a few hundredths of a degree, is statistically significant
>
> >> Patrick
>
> > The decade's increase is apparently 0.07 C.
>
> > Well that's worth giving the economy a right fucking for, isn't it?
>
> Yes, since globaly the observed warming is 0.74'C and accelerating
Only in the minds of the most deluded of the priests of the church of
settled science.
There is a statistically significant cooling trend for about the last
eight years worth of RSS & UAH sattelite data, with UAH cooling
slightly below 95% certainty, and RSS cooling slightly above 95%
certainty.
Matty F
> On Jan 7, 9:27 am, Patrick FitzGerald <a...@b.com> wrote:
>
> > NIWA claims that the last decade was the hottest in NZ history but
> > they are very backward in coming forward with the numbers to back up
> > this claim.
>
> This from the same NIWA which can't explain the adjustments that
> Salinger (ex CRU employee) made to the temperature data, only
> describing the Wellington station movements when Wellington has the
> lowest adjustement of the seven locations used by NIWA for it's
> official figures.
I believe I can now explain the adjustments on the graphs published on
5 December. Tee Hee!