Project Hayes: nerds' revenge...
David
Project Hayes was going to be the biggest wind farm
in the Southern Hemisphere.
2 billion bucks.
On the Lammerlaws.
Personally I thought it was a great idea. Cheap power
a great wind-swept sight. And also i find man's marks
on th elandscape enhancing the landscape.
Where would we be without all of those gold workings?
Grahame Sydney, Brian Turner et al have won a landmark
victory.
The main proof seemed to be that it was not proved economic
since most of the power was being shipped northwards.
Seems the local community was divided. Those on one side who
had the sites were very happy... gettinghelp and compensation.
Those on the other side had to look at the things and got nothing.
:>(
It was the opposite with the Clyde Dam. The supporters got all the
benefits. They of course weren't directly affected.
Those affected by the dam [in my view] lost a whole lot out of
it.
Switch off the light Auckland!
David.
Peter
> Project Hayes was going to be the biggest wind farm
> in the Southern Hemisphere.
> a great wind-swept sight. And also i find man's marks
> on th elandscape enhancing the landscape.
Yes. The point is that you don't make an omelette without breaking an egg.
The fact is that our society (including Grahame Sydney, Brian Turner, et al)
requires increasing supplies of electricity, and it has to come from
somewhere. We are supposed to be moving to renewable energy sources, but
the RMA process allows minority interests to block these projects. Some
examples consents denied for renewable energy projects;
- Awhitu wind farm (denied consents but granted on appeal)
- Mokau hydro
- Mount Cass wind farm
- Te Waka wind farm
- Waitahora wind farm
Guess we can look forward to higher electricity prices and more blackouts.
A _L_ P
their values being trampled on for the benefit of others far, far away
who can ignore the effect their energy gluttony has. The sensible and
fair way to go is to abandon the Think Big schemes that have a huge
impact on NZ's less populated areas which are nonetheless (or perhaps
for that very reason) of great scenic value in a world where humans have
left their bootprints and KFC boxes nearly everywhere. The future
should be an increase in small schemes close to the point of use. If
people don't want one in or visible from their back yard then they will
need to do something about their energy use. Small hydro, small
wind-farms - did anyone see the TV1 report on Danish windmills, with one
farmer having his own that cost a couple of million dollars (from
memory) and paid for itself in a couple of years. Enough for 55
households.... power excess to his requirements was sold to the
national power supplier.
Turner and Sydney and the rest of the small band of objectors were not
going to benefit from the wind farm. Electricity generation in this
part of the country is already well above what the local people use.
Let the local people in the northern regions put up with the alteration
to part of their standard of living in order to feed the rest of their
standard of living. Let them be the ones to make the choices of what
they are willing to sacrifice, for what return.
A L P
David
Hmmmm can see a return cycle trail back to back to the Rail Trail,
back along the Dunstan Road. The cockies will moan initially but it
will bring life into their community... will add value to the trail.
I am astounded by the decision. 30 years ago the 'old boy' psyche
would not have allowed this to happen.
-D.
David
The Clyde Dam was not renewable... like Lake Roxburgh it will silt up.
Pisa Moorings and low lying areas around lake Dunstan will eventually
get flooded out...
as i said i supported Project Hayes...
Peter
> Peter wrote:
>> Some examples consents denied for renewable energy projects;
>> - Awhitu wind farm (denied consents but granted on appeal)
>> - Mokau hydro
>> - Mount Cass wind farm
>> - Te Waka wind farm
>> - Waitahora wind farm
>>
>> Guess we can look forward to higher electricity prices and more
>> blackouts.
>>
> The RMA process is very good when it allows people to put a stop to
> their values being trampled on for the benefit of others far, far away
It is short sighted to think this is a South Island vs North Island issue.
If you look at the list of project denied consents, these are across NZ.
If it was a matter of places having unique iconic value, we would know which
places these were (and which weren't). Simply opposing every wind project
that is put up is just whinging nimby-ism, but this is what RMA seems to be.
> The future should be an increase in small schemes close to the point
> of use. If people don't want one in or visible from their back yard
> then they will need to do something about their energy use.
This is simply not how modern society works (worldwide). Most people live
in cities, but that is not where the resources are. Food, water, minerals,
etc must be brought in. Energy is no different.
The idea of distributed generation is from the 1990s and has failed. Back
then, it was used to justify running down NZ's national electricity grid.
But it was never going to work. The vast majority of homes and businesses
simply do not have enough energy available in their back yards, while some
places have a vast surplus (some renewable energy, some fossil fuels).
The modern scheme of bringing resources into cities enables much higher
standard of living and higher populations.
You are correct that users need to be more careful and efficient with their
consumption of electricity, but this probably won't happen unless the price
increases quite a bit more.
The project Hayes debacle is a serious issue for NZ. Million$ have been
spent developing the project. If this site is such a landscape icon, why
wasn't that known before the project? Even now, which sites are off limits
for development? Or, should we say no more wind farms in NZ (because every
hill might be iconic for someone)? After all, there is plenty of coal down
in Southland, so maybe big coal fired power stations is the way of the
future?
Peter
Geopelia
"David" <dafy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Nobody seems to object to ski lifts on mountains. So why not put wind farms
in those areas as well?
Perhaps along the Desert Road.
Roger_Nickel
Wind farms need a steady breeze and need a short connection to the
national grid. Too much stormy weather in the mountains. The turbines
would spend most of their time parked, they also need to be accessible
for maintenance. The Makara wind farm (Wellington) has access roads along
the ridge tops which are wide enough for two full sized articulated
trucks to pass each other. Some of the turbine parts are *large*.
David
> "David" <dafyd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
N I M B Y
Not in my back yard.... lol...
David
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:05:27 +1300, Geopelia wrote:
Towards the end of the hearings Grahame Sydney came out and said
that the capacity of the wind farm over the cost of transmission to
its
likely users made it uneconomic.
Apparently the Environment Court came out and stated that Meridian
had not made a case for economic use of the resource.
Maybe the High Court decision on the Clyde Dam was used as a
precedent. it too was deemed to have no end user for the power.
David
> On , , Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:59:29 -0800 (PST), Re: Project Hayes: nerds'
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> revenge..., David <dafyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On 8 Nov, 17:23, Peter <nospamjy...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
> >> David wrote:
> >> > Project Hayes was going to be the biggest wind farm
> >> > in the Southern Hemisphere.
> >> > Personally I thought it was a great idea. Cheap power
> >> > a great wind-swept sight. And also i find man's marks
> >> > on th elandscape enhancing the landscape.
> >> <snip>
> >> > Switch off the light Auckland!
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> >> Yes. The point is that you don't make an omelette without breaking an egg.
> >> The fact is that our society (including Grahame Sydney, Brian Turner, et al)
> >> requires increasing supplies of electricity, and it has to come from
> >> somewhere. We are supposed to be moving to renewable energy sources, but
> >> the RMA process allows minority interests to block these projects. Some
> >> examples consents denied for renewable energy projects;
> >> - Awhitu wind farm (denied consents but granted on appeal)
> >> - Mokau hydro
> >> - Mount Cass wind farm
> >> - Te Waka wind farm
> >> - Waitahora wind farm
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> >> Guess we can look forward to higher electricity prices and more blackouts.
>
> >The Clyde Dam was not renewable... like Lake Roxburgh it will silt up.
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Yes, there is no free ride- even in nature...