Domain name theft(?)
Nik Coughin
registered the name through my web host (a NZ company) and had been invoiced
for it but hadn't paid for it yet. I believe that they don't actually
register the domain on my behalf until I pay for it (and fair enough too).
I did a whois on the domain to check its availability first, and it was
unregistered when I set the process in motion. It is now registered through
nameking.com to a non-existent company in Curacao. Any way they could have
discovered my interest and beat me to it with the idea of selling it to me
later? It's not a common domain name, so I think I can rule out
coincidence. My web hosts are great and I am 99% sure I can rule out their
having anything to do with it, unless they have a less-than-scrupulous
employee working there. Any comments, ideas about what I can do about it,
ideas about how it happened etc.? Could my initial whois have set the
bastards off?
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thing
> Someone has registered a domain name I was in the process of registering. I
> registered the name through my web host (a NZ company) and had been invoiced
> for it but hadn't paid for it yet. I believe that they don't actually
> register the domain on my behalf until I pay for it (and fair enough too).
> I did a whois on the domain to check its availability first, and it was
> unregistered when I set the process in motion. It is now registered through
> nameking.com to a non-existent company in Curacao. Any way they could have
> discovered my interest and beat me to it with the idea of selling it to me
> later? It's not a common domain name, so I think I can rule out
> coincidence. My web hosts are great and I am 99% sure I can rule out their
> having anything to do with it, unless they have a less-than-scrupulous
> employee working there. Any comments, ideas about what I can do about it,
> ideas about how it happened etc.? Could my initial whois have set the
> bastards off?
>
I sometimes wondered this, so I would not use a web site that "registers
names for you" and then expects the hosting as well, etc, etc.
So if you use a dns server to look for it directly, then I would not
expect it to be pinched off you, there are millions of false domains
used by spammers so the false dns look ups must be huge. Your nslookup
query would just disappear within the background noise.
I think you have been unlucky and someone has jsut beaten you to it,
that's life.
I use this dns web site for my lookups,
eg
Administrative, Technical Contact:
Manager, Domain xxxw...@nameking.com
NameKing.com Inc.
818 W. 7th Ste. 700
Los Angeles, CA 90017
US
Which gives that dates, so you could find out exactly when it was
secured and when it expires.
regards
Thing
Nik Coughin
> Nik Coughin wrote:
>> Someone has registered a domain name I was in the process of
>> registering.
>
> "registers names for you" and then expects the hosting as well, etc,
> etc.
Hi! I use the same company that does my hosting to register all of my
domain names, it's just easier.
> So if you use a dns server to look for it directly, then I would not
> expect it to be pinched off you
I used whois.net to check if it was available first, not a dns server
directly as such.
> I think you have been unlucky and someone has jsut beaten you to it,
> that's life.
Possible, but as I said, it's not a common domain name. It's never been
registered before. I think the odds of someone else independently deciding
to register it within a couple of days of my trying to register it are not
high.
> I use this dns web site for my lookups,
>
> http://www.completewhois.com/
>
> Which gives that dates, so you could find out exactly when it was
> secured and when it expires.
>
Cheers for that. It was registered a couple of days after I ordered it and
the day before I was going to pay for it. Registration details appear to
point to a non-existent (AFAIK) company in Curacao.
Craig Whitmore
register a domain name.
If the domain name is "registered in bad faith" legally you can contact the
registrar for that domain
and ask them to get proper details for the domain (if they can't then they
are going against their
T&C with the main Registrar)
Thanks
Craig
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Waylon Kenning
<nrkn!no-spam!@woosh.co.nz> said Blah blah blah...
>Possible, but as I said, it's not a common domain name. It's never been
>registered before. I think the odds of someone else independently deciding
>to register it within a couple of days of my trying to register it are not
>high.
I dunno, you'd be surprised. In the end, I went with a generic
sounding 5 letter domain name that could apply to anything. So no
matter what I decided for the website, the domain name would apply.
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> I dunno, you'd be surprised. In the end, I went with a generic
> sounding 5 letter domain name that could apply to anything. So no
> matter what I decided for the website, the domain name would apply.
what is it?
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Waylon Kenning
Dave.net.nz" <dave@no_spam_here_please_dave.net.nz> said Blah blah
blah...
>> I dunno, you'd be surprised. In the end, I went with a generic
>> sounding 5 letter domain name that could apply to anything. So no
>> matter what I decided for the website, the domain name would apply.
>
>what is it?
http://rubun.com. It's quite hard thinking of 5 letter dot com domain
names that haven't been taken these days. I only use my domain name
for email these days, but if I ever make a company, odds are it's
gonna say Rubun at the front of the name:)
I had my chance to get webdsign.org too, a while back.
Rob
"Craig Whitmore" <len...@orcon.net.nz> wrote in message
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Only if the payment is done in realtime by credit card.
If the domain name is a nz one, if the host registers the domain before they
receive payment, and then the registrant decides not to pay for it, the host
will be out of pocket, as the registrant legally owns the domain even though
they haven't paid for it. The host could take them to a collection agency
for payment, but because it is such a small fee, it wouldn't be worth it.
Therefore if the host only accepts AP, cheque or cash, then they really have
no option but to wait for payment before initiating the domain name
registration.
EMB
> Only if the payment is done in realtime by credit card.
> If the domain name is a nz one, if the host registers the domain before they
> receive payment, and then the registrant decides not to pay for it, the host
> will be out of pocket, as the registrant legally owns the domain even though
> they haven't paid for it. The host could take them to a collection agency
> for payment, but because it is such a small fee, it wouldn't be worth it.
>
> Therefore if the host only accepts AP, cheque or cash, then they really have
> no option but to wait for payment before initiating the domain name
> registration.
Untrue. There's a 5 day grace period during which the name can be
unregistered.
From http://dnc.org.nz/content/registering_managing_cancelling.pdf
7.7 A grace period of five days will be provided following a new
registration to enable registrars to cancel the registration.
7.8 Where the domain name is cancelled during the grace period it will
be removed from the register. The registration and cancellation will
still be recorded for audit purposes. The same registrar is able to
re-register the same domain name but it is not able to be cancelled for
a second time within one month of the initial registration.
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EMB
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Rob
"EMB" <emb...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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That only applies to registrars, and not resellers of domain names. The host
is most likely to be a reseller of domain names with a registrar. Also the
fee can't be refunded, so the host will still be out of pocket. Also legally
I tink only the registrant has permission to cancel the domain name.
You can also modify the domain name within 5 days should it be misspelt, but
there are no refunds.
I would love to be wrong on this, as I have been caught out myself with
registering a domain for someone before payment, and then them deciding they
didn't want the domain, and deciding not to pay me. I could cancel it, but I
wasn't able to recieve a refund on it.