death of nz.comp and nz.general
news.xtra.co.nz
telecom are dropping news groups.
Given , that telecom have a basic monopoly on internet, and google groups
being online service only is not so great, and that not many people will pay
extra bucks just for something that was previously free...
anyway , just an opinion.
EMB
Xtra dropping usenet will only impact xtra customers. Other ISPs are
still running their servers so there's always a "free" option available
if you want to change ISP.
--
EMB
thingy
depending on the quality of those servers.
news at Clear is not renowned for its quality or its reliability....
regards
Thing
grumpyoldhori
> I predict, these groups will become shadows of there former selves now
> that telecom are dropping news groups.
Don't be idle,switch to this one, nntp.aioe.org on your
client,I am using them for this post,good price,zip.
grumpy
thingy
dum deee dooooo
regards
Me....
kiwigal
Have A Nice Cup of Tea wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 20:05:30 +1200, EMB wrote:
>
> > Xtra dropping usenet will only impact xtra customers. Other ISPs are
> > still running their servers so there's always a "free" option available
> > if you want to change ISP.
>
> news feed from Telecom/Xtra.
>
Or go to google and read it from there..
Tihare Eruera
"grumpyoldhori" <grumpy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e2v7pq$5hl$1...@emma.aioe.org...
works for me
Tihare
Seagull
I tried to set aioe up in Outlook Express but the only newsgroups that show
as available are half a dozen related to aioe.org itself.
What have I missed doing?
--
Seagull
E. Scrooge
"news.xtra.co.nz" <p...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:g5F4g.6529$0Y5....@news.xtra.co.nz...
Most people on usenet have the sense to be with other ISPs. Cheap flat rate
internet is something that Telecom /Xtra NEVER did pioneer in NZ, and
Telecom are hardly doing anything when it comes to offering cheap broadband
with plenty of data for the lowest plan.
Xtra's cheapest plan would be used up in half an or less by downloading a
200MB file.
The only thing people should by from Telecom is shares.
E. Scrooge
E. Scrooge
A pretty painless move, an even better one would be to dump Xtra.
E. Scrooge
a_l_p
While that's a sensible thing to do, and using nntp.aioe.org is even better,
either of them addresses the problem of xtra being an arsehole organization.
If I were with xtra instead of with Ihug, the ISP that has been earning itself a
top reputation recently, I'd have to have an exceptionally strong reason not to
give xtra the finger. And I'd make it clear to them that I was leaving them
because of their usenet rort.
A L P
Karen Hayward-King
wrote:
>I predict, these groups will become shadows of there former selves now that
>telecom are dropping news groups.
>
They;re already a shadow of their former selves and have been for a
couple of years now....
--
Karen Hayward-King
'Blood brothers in the stormy night
With a vow to defend
No retreat, baby, no surrender...'
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Jo
"Karen Hayward-King" <kiwi...@yellowsub.net> wrote in message
news:rqu6529cj9tt9qhlu...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 20:03:23 +1200, "news.xtra.co.nz" <p...@xtra.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
>>I predict, these groups will become shadows of there former selves now
>>that
>>telecom are dropping news groups.
>>
>
> They;re already a shadow of their former selves and have been for a
> couple of years now....
About the time the anti-anti semite and the "you love respect jews or else"
crowd constantly attacked and spammed posters. They reminded me of catholic
guilt, my mother, JW's and Attila the Hun's mother in law rolled into one.
Rebel Lion
Try doing it with a real newsreader and see if it works better or post
exactly how you did it so others can help you some vague reference to
trying to set it up hardly tells the rest of us anything. As you can see I
am posting from said server quite happily to this group.
Mauricio Freitas [MVP]
"thingy" <thi...@nowhere.commy> wrote in message
news:445322bf$1...@clear.net.nz...
Better than Xtra with no service, and ICONZ with no service...
--
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www.geekzone.co.nz, www.geekzone.co.nz/freitasm,
www.geekzone.co.nz/geekzoneblog.asp
Software for Pocket PC: www.geekzone.co.nz/store
Microsoft MVP Mobile Devices
Seagull
"Rebel Lion" <re...@rebellion.corn> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.04.29....@rebellion.corn...
OK in Outlook Express, I went to tools, accounts, selected the news tab.
I then clicked on add and filled in the server as news.aioe.org and my name
and email address etc.
I then set aioe.org as the default server.
I thought that was right as when I selected went to tools, newsgroups and
highlighted the news.aioe.org icon and clicked download newsgroups I got a
short list of groups that seem to be specific to aioe. e.g.
aioe.dict.helpdesk,
aioe.news.chat,
control,
cancel, etc
However if I click subscribe, then download all messages in group I get
message: There are no items in this view.
I am quite prepared to try a new newsreader but I still would like to know
if I missed some simple step in the OE setup just for my own peace of mind.
Rebel Lion
>
> "Rebel Lion" <re...@rebellion.corn> wrote in message
> news:pan.2006.04.29....@rebellion.corn...
>> On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:16:41 +1200, Seagull wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "grumpyoldhori" <grumpy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e2v7pq$5hl$1...@emma.aioe.org...
>>>> news.xtra.co.nz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I predict, these groups will become shadows of there former selves now
>>>>> that telecom are dropping news groups.
>>>>
>>>> Don't be idle,switch to this one, nntp.aioe.org on your
>>>> client,I am using them for this post,good price,zip.
>>>> grumpy
>>>
>>> I tried to set aioe up in Outlook Express but the only newsgroups that
>>
> Thanks for the repy, and sorry for the lack of info.
>
> OK in Outlook Express, I went to tools, accounts, selected the news tab.
>
> I then clicked on add and filled in the server as news.aioe.org and my name
> and email address etc.
> I then set aioe.org as the default server.
> I thought that was right as when I selected went to tools, newsgroups and
> highlighted the news.aioe.org icon and clicked download newsgroups I got a
> short list of groups that seem to be specific to aioe. e.g.
> aioe.dict.helpdesk,
> aioe.news.chat,
> control,
> cancel, etc
>
The problem is the server name it is nntp.aioe.org not news.aioe.org as
you have put in. I'm guessing the one you have subscribed to is their own
setup for help etc.
Geopelia
> wrote:
>
>>I predict, these groups will become shadows of there former selves now
>>that
>>telecom are dropping news groups.
>>
>
> They;re already a shadow of their former selves and have been for a
> couple of years now....
>
> --
> Karen Hayward-King
>
I've noticed that, too. I think people from some groups are starting their
own blogs instead.
Robert Reimiller
Have A Nice Cup of Tea wrote:
Google is many things. It does allow news group access and allow
posting if you register. For instance, try:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&group=nz.general
And see what you get.
Max Burke
> OK in Outlook Express, I went to tools, accounts, selected the news
> tab. I then clicked on add and filled in the server as news.aioe.org and
> my name and email address etc.
> I then set aioe.org as the default server.
> I thought that was right as when I selected went to tools, newsgroups
> and highlighted the news.aioe.org icon and clicked download
> newsgroups I got a short list of groups that seem to be specific to
> aioe. e.g. aioe.dict.helpdesk,
> aioe.news.chat,
> control,
> cancel, etc
> However if I click subscribe, then download all messages in group I
> get message: There are no items in this view.
> I am quite prepared to try a new newsreader but I still would like
> to know if I missed some simple step in the OE setup just for my own
> peace of mind.
Did this myself last night (in Outlook Express) just to see what this server
is like. (and as a backup when the paradise server has it's time of the
month...) It took about 5 minutes to set up and download a list of all
availble newsgroups (over 40,000 of them)
Currently subscribed to NZ groups, will add the overseas ones later....
IOW you must be doing something wrong....
;-)
--
mlvb...@xxxxxxxx.nz
Replace the obvious with paradise.net to email me
Found Images
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/~mlvburke
Sarns
> wrote:
>
>>I predict, these groups will become shadows of there former selves now
>>that
>>telecom are dropping news groups.
>>
>
> They;re already a shadow of their former selves and have been for a
> couple of years now....
>
>
Alot of people i know have never heard of them
They aren't a common known thing unfortunately...i've tried to promote them
over the years with people i know
Sarns
a_l_p
\
>>
>
>
> Alot of people i know have never heard of them
>
> They aren't a common known thing unfortunately...i've tried to promote them
> over the years with people i know
>
> Sarns
>
>
Ditto. The trouble is that it takes a while to get into them unless there's a
really lively interesting thread, and of recent times there haven't been many of
them, and far too many have ended (or even started) with abusive posters ranting
on their particular obsessions and badmouthing anyone who disagrees. Anyone new
would find it totally off-putting. It's bad enough even when you get to know
the names of the frothers and ranters and scroll past them or use killfiles.
A L P
Robert Feigel
magnanimously proffered:
Hiya Sarns - Ironically I wouldn't have known about these two groups
had Xtra not pulled the plug on their news service. One of the posters
on another ng told me about them.
PS - do you think the death of Xtra's news feed is an apt subject for
another ng I won't mention here.? It's certainly on-topic ;-)b
kris...@hotmail.com
> > Or go to google and read it from there..
I'm sure she's referring to Google Groups and is aware of that it's a
web site. The OP talked about the death of the newsgroups, and kiwigal
was just pointing to an alternative way of accessing the groups that's
available to anyone with access to the web.
Of course for people who are unwilling to access newsgroups via the web
then I guess that could be a problem, and maybe the groups will
die......
I still don't see why it's a problem to access a few groups using
Google Groups though, I do it all the time and don't find it a problem
(I have used Agent before so I know what I'm missing). Mind you I don't
use my ISP's email server either and just stick with Yahoo Mail. Guess
it depends on the volume of email/news that you deal with...
Kris
Matty F
How does that work? How does it know the messages are new?
How does it decide that you have seen the messages so they are
noy "new" any more?
Because it doesn't seem to work. All messages are termed as
"mew". Without that feature working, Google is useless for my
purposes.
Sarns
"Robert Feigel" <aka...@surfwriter.net.not> wrote in message
news:7je85216kqrcutk7v...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:00:01 +1200, "Sarns" <newl...@wahooo.com>
> magnanimously proffered:
>
>>
>>"Karen Hayward-King" <kiwi...@yellowsub.net> wrote in message
>>news:rqu6529cj9tt9qhlu...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 20:03:23 +1200, "news.xtra.co.nz" <p...@xtra.co.nz>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I predict, these groups will become shadows of there former selves now
>>>>that
>>>>telecom are dropping news groups.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They;re already a shadow of their former selves and have been for a
>>> couple of years now....
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Alot of people i know have never heard of them
>>
>>They aren't a common known thing unfortunately...i've tried to promote
>>them
>>over the years with people i know
>>
>>Sarns
>
> Hiya Sarns -
LOL Slobber Rob.. and welcome
>Ironically I wouldn't have known about these two groups
> had Xtra not pulled the plug on their news service. One of the posters
> on another ng told me about them.
Well that's just not good enuff LOL... you should have automatically done a
search on NZ in the first place ;-)
> PS - do you think the death of Xtra's news feed is an apt subject for
> another ng I won't mention here.? It's certainly on-topic ;-)b
Oh very apt LOL.... xtra started that thread themselves ;-)
Sarns
~misfit~
Arrrgghh!
Don't tell everyone! I was quite happily using the German one for years
free. Then I saw it posted in here and a few other groups. Next thing you
know they're charging for it. If it gets too many users you can bet your
arse that they will start charging for access.
--
Shaun.
Southern Kiwi
>telecom are dropping news groups.
>
> being online service only is not so great, and that not many people will
> pay extra bucks just for something that was previously free...
>
>
Hell no, it will be a lot more civilized with out all you riffraff ;-)
--
-- Cheers
Southern Kiwi
southern_kiwi@*spamsucks*hotmail.com
Word of wisdom from high in the mountains....you know...like a Guru...but
not as old....or mystic......or wise....or high... :)
Barry Phease
> news.xtra.co.nz wrote:
>> I predict, these groups will become shadows of there former selves now
>> that telecom are dropping news groups.
>>
>> Given , that telecom have a basic monopoly on internet, and google
>> groups being online service only is not so great, and that not many
>> people will pay extra bucks just for something that was previously
>> free...
>
> Xtra dropping usenet will only impact xtra customers. Other ISPs are
> still running their servers so there's always a "free" option available if
> you want to change ISP.
It might actually improve the signal to noise ratio.
--
Barry Phease
kris...@hotmail.com
> Because it doesn't seem to work. All messages are termed as
> "mew". Without that feature working, Google is useless for my
> purposes.
I'm not actually sure how that feature works myself, but I assume you
are actually registered and signed in?
Sue Bilstein
wrote:
>On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 20:05:30 +1200, EMB wrote:
>> news.xtra.co.nz wrote:
>>> I predict, these groups will become shadows of there former selves now
>>> that telecom are dropping news groups.
>>>
>>> Given , that telecom have a basic monopoly on internet, and google
>>> groups being online service only is not so great, and that not many
>>> people will pay extra bucks just for something that was previously
>>> free...
>>
>> Xtra dropping usenet will only impact xtra customers. Other ISPs are
>> still running their servers so there's always a "free" option available if
>> you want to change ISP.
>
>It might actually improve the signal to noise ratio.
Might reduce both to near zero. Newsgroups die when poster numbers
fall below a certain point.
kiwigal
I prefer google to NG email. To find the group go to google home page -
click groups - type 'nz.general' in search. That takes you to
nz.general & everything currently under discussion. To make a comment
you click show options on the top of the post you want to reply to then
click reply.. You do need to register. Actual address required for
registering then change it to a fake one if you want for all your
posts. I set up an google email address for the purpose. Lots of
interesting info via google for example:
This month's top posters
474 newla...@wahooo.com
365 c...@t.com
313 grumpyoldh...@gmail.com
296 phildo...@xtra.co.nz
283 bria...@paradise.net.nz
282 scro...@*shot.co.nz
237 sue_bilst...@yahoop.com
196 ker...@iiiihug.co.invalid
172 till...@hotmail.com
168 wilsonhar...@hotmail.com
s.te.v.e.
> I predict, these groups will become shadows of there former selves now
> that telecom are dropping news groups.
>
> Given , that telecom have a basic monopoly on internet, and google groups
> being online service only is not so great, and that not many people will
> pay extra bucks just for something that was previously free...
>
> anyway , just an opinion.
Orcon do newsgroups just fine.
I've never understood why ANYONE uses Xtra.
I've been on the Internet in NZ since 1990......and never once had to resort
to the Telecom ISP.
There were always better choices for anyone who made the effort to look.
Oh....I see the problem.
kiwigal
In a side column, Google shows sites that might be of interest too-
ones that I never would have considered before when left with my 40,000
newsserver NGs eg UK.politics.misc. And yes cuppa should have used his
noggin and realised I do know the difference..
kiwigal
I assume you mean all messages are termed 'new'. Ok google puts a
cookie on your comp and when you read a message it registers as read so
next time you go back to that thread- the comp jumps straight to the
next unread nessage. Unread messages are highlghted in bold too- you'll
see what I mean if you try it out. works better for me than the email
because the entire thread is there so you can go back to whatever
comment you want. Only neg is that you can't put a block on anyone but
then you just skip their post.
kris...@hotmail.com
Sarns
"kiwigal" <newwo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
[snip]
> This month's top posters
> 474 newla...@wahooo.com
> 365 c...@t.com
> 313 grumpyoldh...@gmail.com
> 296 phildo...@xtra.co.nz
> 283 bria...@paradise.net.nz
> 282 scro...@*shot.co.nz
> 237 sue_bilst...@yahoop.com
> 196 ker...@iiiihug.co.invalid
> 172 till...@hotmail.com
> 168 wilsonhar...@hotmail.com
FANKU FANKU.... i'd like to thank my supporters each and everyone how
timely..... i'd like to thank my computer for always being there when i
needed it and for giving me a plug now and then :D and last but not least
i'd like to thank my parents for having me.... (SHUDDUP YOU GUYS) heh ehh
Sarns
Geopelia
"Matty F" <ma...@INVALIDflebus.nz> wrote in message
news:0aY4g.6687$0Y5....@news.xtra.co.nz...
How did it get my own groups showing on the left? Does everybody get their
own groups?
How does it know who is clicking the website?
Seagull
Seagull
It works fine now
Seagull
-=rjh=-
Even scarier, is the fact that unless you actively do something about
it, google tracks all your searches, too.
kiwigal
Geopelia wrote:
> How did it get my own groups showing on the left? Does everybody get their
> own groups?
> How does it know who is clicking the website?
a cookie is placed on your comp to monitor your activites- helpful for
keeping you up to speed on long threads i.e it'll take you to the
latest unread message. However, if you don't like cookies you can
disable the function or like me- I wipe all cookies after browsing.
kiwigal
-=rjh=- wrote:
> Geopelia wrote:
> > How did it get my own groups showing on the left? Does everybody get their
> > own groups?
> > How does it know who is clicking the website?
> >
> >
> Google knows everything.
>
> Even scarier, is the fact that unless you actively do something about
> it, google tracks all your searches, too.
when I started using google I found it sobering to see that everything
is tracked and recorded. Of course that's done irrespective of whether
you're using a newsserver or google. Look at this Geo- congrats for
making the top 10 -
All time top posters
11279 t...@inspire.net.nz
10410 bria...@paradise.net.nz
10400 tarlaREM...@xtra.co.nz
8531 scro...@*shot.co.nz
8300 kiwib...@yellowsub.net
8171 ker...@remove.this.bit.ihug.co.nz
7780 sue_bilst...@yahoop.com
7780 rewar...@ihug.co.nz
7071 b...@hotmail.com
5509 phildo...@xtra.co.nz
kiwigal
you clown :) Hope your first few days at work went OK..
Geopelia
That's amazing, I had no idea I could waffle so much! I doubt if I will say
much on Google though.
Geopelia
Geopelia
as some are needed to run things. I can't find out which cookie does which,
so I've left the lot.
The Google chaps are going to get a bit of a shock if they monitor my
browsing!
Geopelia
Bruce Sinclair
>>>>Xtra dropping usenet will only impact xtra customers. Other ISPs are
>>>>still running their servers so there's always a "free" option available
>>>>if you want to change ISP.
>>>
>>>... except, as Cliff pointed out, for those ISPs that were getting their
>>>news feed from Telecom/Xtra.
>> Or go to google and read it from there..
>>
>While that's a sensible thing to do, and using nntp.aioe.org is even better,
>either of them addresses the problem of xtra being an arsehole organization.
>If I were with xtra instead of with Ihug, the ISP that has been earning itself
> a
>top reputation recently, I'd have to have an exceptionally strong reason not to
>
>give xtra the finger. And I'd make it clear to them that I was leaving them
>because of their usenet rort.
And once you have used a real newsreader, you will not return to broken web
versions. Google groups is in the latter category :)
Bruce
----------------------------------------
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people and the bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and
only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides.
Lord Vetinari in Guards ! Guards ! - Terry Pratchett
Caution ===== followups may have been changed to relevant groups
(if there were any)
news.xtra.co.nz
"s.te.v.e." <s.te.v.e.@dontchaluvusenet.org.nz> wrote in message
news:4454...@news.orcon.net.nz...
I've looked ... noone out there can give better service than xtra.
Unfortunately, the other isps are only reselling telecom services anyway.
Hank
In fact is ok as a basic NG reader.
Nik Coughlin
> If you dont have ANY other option then google is better than nothing.
> In fact is ok as a basic NG reader.
It is better than nothing, except that it doesn't quote replies by default,
which is fucking annoying for everyone else who isn't reading it through
Google Groups.
http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/
http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/
Read those if you have time, cheers
Sarns
Heh heh... fanku...yes well and truly back into now...with added
responsibilities ARGGHHHH
Sarns
kiwigal
Bettê Noir wrote:
> On , , 30 Apr 2006 14:04:41 -0700, Re: death of nz.comp and
> turned on.
Who should be here- Red?
kiwigal
Geopelia wrote:
> > All time top posters
> > 11279 t...@inspire.net.nz
> > 10410 bria...@paradise.net.nz
> > 10400 tarlaREM...@xtra.co.nz
> > 8531 scro...@*shot.co.nz
> > 8300 kiwib...@yellowsub.net
> > 8171 ker...@remove.this.bit.ihug.co.nz
> > 7780 sue_bilst...@yahoop.com
> > 7780 rewar...@ihug.co.nz
> > 7071 b...@hotmail.com
> > 5509 phildo...@xtra.co.nz
> >
> > http://groups.google.co.nz/group/nz.general/about?hl=en
> >
>
> That's amazing, I had no idea I could waffle so much! I doubt if I will say
> much on Google though.
Since nz.general is a google group- you've had plenty to say on google
:)Everyone has a personal profile too though a few profiles show 'no
profile'- how these posters managed it I don't know. This is on yours-
total posting history:
Post Activity
Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2002 3 4 22 22 8 16 23 81
2003 100 79 92 119 82 119 140 98 88 141 98 117
2004 151 105 118 142 163 160 160 257 231 250 259 240
2005 397 352 403 363 324 274 416 414 313 339 343 334
2006 383 235 189 323
John B
"Sarns" <newl...@wahooo.com> wrote in message
news:8wh5g.6874$0Y5....@news.xtra.co.nz...
Well, fucku too.
Shane
> Well, fucku too.
Now heres a surprising post, I wonder what caused him to abuse a poster....
--
Rule 6: There is no rule 6
Rebel Lion
> John B wrote:
>
>
>> Well, fucku too.
>
>
> Now heres a surprising post, I wonder what caused him to abuse a poster....
An immature sense of humour that makes him think that swearing at someone
for no reason is funny ?
-=rjh=-
Nothing that they wouldn't have seen before, if there was anyway a human
could even look (apart from Homeland Security, of course).
This is how to anonymise the Google cookie:
http://www.imilly.com/google-cookie.htm
Other stuff of interest (maybe):
http://www.google.com/searchhistory
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/001425.php
http://mboffin.com/post.aspx?id=1830
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/22/google_stealthily_mo.html
Sarns
"Have A Nice Cup of Tea" <c...@t.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.05.01....@s.co...
> On Mon, 01 May 2006 00:07:15 +1200, Sarns wrote:
>
>> FANKU FANKU.... i'd like to thank my supporters each and everyone how
>> timely..... i'd like to thank my computer for always being there when i
>> needed it and for giving me a plug now and then :D and last but not least
>> i'd like to thank my parents for having me.... (SHUDDUP YOU GUYS) heh
>> ehh
>
>
> Funny, Sarns. :o)
>
AM NOT... was born this way :P heh
Sarns
Sarns
"Shane" <sh...@weasel.is-a-geek.net> wrote in message
news:e34fhs$d7c$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> John B wrote:
>
>
>> Well, fucku too.
>
>
> Now heres a surprising post, I wonder what caused him to abuse a
> poster....
>
<sopranos voice>
fuck you...noo FUCK YOU ..
</sopranos voice>
heh ehhehehe ;-0
Sarns
Geopelia
How on earth did I manage to write so much!
Geopelia
"-=rjh=-" <usu...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:4455...@news.orcon.net.nz...
Thank you.
If the Google chaps are so clever, they'll know I'm a 76 year old female.
Why would I google "British tits"? I wanted to find out something about
the Parus genus of birds.
I was the one that got the shock!
Geopelia
Gordon Smith
> news.xtra.co.nz wrote:
>
>
>>I predict, these groups will become shadows of there former selves now
>>that telecom are dropping news groups.
>>
>>Given , that telecom have a basic monopoly on internet, and google groups
>>being online service only is not so great, and that not many people will
>>pay extra bucks just for something that was previously free...
>>
>>anyway , just an opinion.
>
>
> Orcon do newsgroups just fine.
>
> I've never understood why ANYONE uses Xtra.
>
> I've been on the Internet in NZ since 1990......and never once had to resort
> to the Telecom ISP.
>
> There were always better choices for anyone who made the effort to look.
>
> Oh....I see the problem.
>
>
>
WorldxChange - http://www.xnet.co.nz and Orcon both do full news services.
mr bobby
I Use the WxC News Server and its great
Jasen Betts
> "Rebel Lion" <re...@rebellion.corn> wrote in message
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hmmm, without the space that'd be rebellion :)
>> The problem is the server name it is nntp.aioe.org not news.aioe.org as
>> you have put in. I'm guessing the one you have subscribed to is their own
>> setup for help etc.
> Thanks Jasen for straightening me out.
> It works fine now
> Seagull
I did what?
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Bye.
Jasen
SchoolTech
> Gordon Smith wrote:
>> s.te.v.e. wrote:
>>
>>> news.xtra.co.nz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I predict, these groups will become shadows of there former selves now
>>>> that telecom are dropping news groups.
Xtra dropped them because they only have a few users.
Logic please.
Ockerr
Brian Dooley
wrote:
>Try
>these Newsgroups and they are Free
>
>nntp.aioe.org
>
It looks as though there has been a fight back. All Telecom has
managed to do is piss off a lot of customers.
--
Brian Dooley
Wellington New Zealand
Waylon Kenning
Dooley <bri...@paradise.net.nz> saying something like this:
>It looks as though there has been a fight back. All Telecom has
>managed to do is piss off a lot of customers.
Using newsgroups through say Xtra's (former) NNTP servers required a
certain amount of IT savvy, which is most likely the type of people
who would kick up a stink.
--
Cheers,
Waylon Kenning.
Geopelia
newsgroups. As well as regular posters, there must have been hundreds of
occasional posters and lurkers.
Kind people told me how to change to aioe.org, and I also use the Google
groups.
If you get asked to do that Telecom survey by phone, be sure to tell them
you used the xtra newsgroups. I did.
Geopelia
Crash
Most of these users (like me) have taken other actions to remain on Usenet.
Crash.
Dave Doe
Wondering why you didn't vote with your wallet? (ie leave Xtra)
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Duncan
grumpyoldhori
> It looks as though there has been a fight back. All Telecom has
> managed to do is piss off a lot of customers.
>
Yep Brian,a former xtra customer here,gone over
to slingshot,faster,cheaper,and better service.
grumpy
bambam
@ftpsrv1:
I went with iHug.
I had to reset the connection a few times in the first few days, but all
seems good now. Current connection uptime 135hrs.
--
Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.
Helenski Klark
My god Gwumpy. You can do and say sensible things :) Wonders will never
cease :)
Helenski Klark
Including bending over :)
Helenski Klark
What are you talking about? How was it more difficult than other ISP?
Helenski Klark
Did it help? No... I'm willing to take alot of pain in having to update
a whole lot of people, mailing distro lists etc to stick it to them
because they just don't give a damn about you or me. Everyone else
should too whether you realise the value of NNTP or not, because it'll
be something else next.
arf@flipflop.com Apairateef
"Ockerr" <ock...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e79psq$hlh$1...@nntp.aioe.org...
Yeah i've been using this to...but for some reason it wouldn't post my
messages for 3 days last week
Sarns
Crash
I used AIOE for a few weeks while I organised an ISP swap. Outages were fairly
frequent (every day or two it seemed). It was also fairly slow. I chose to
move to Orcon - their nntp server performs better with no noticeable outages in
the last week.
Crash.
Rebel
I have used aioe for a fair while, it carried some groups that xtra
didn't,,,before xtra closed its nntp server it was rarely down. Maybe the
number of xtra customers going to it has overloaded the system. I still use
it for one group that my new isp (Ihug) does not carry and yes now it is
often down. Though you do need to remember that you are limited to the
number of posts you can make per day.
Geopelia
"Dave Doe" <ha...@work.ok> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f035b132...@news.paradise.net.nz...
It's handy for email. I'll probably leave later on.
Geopelia
"Helenski Klark" <file.dump...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7aogp$hds$1...@nntp.aioe.org...
There's always Google.
Poor old Telecom, the share price keeps falling. I wonder if there will be a
takeover, once the price falls enough.
Waylon Kenning
Klark <file.dump...@gmail.com> saying something like this:
>>> It looks as though there has been a fight back. All Telecom has
>>> managed to do is piss off a lot of customers.
>>
>> Using newsgroups through say Xtra's (former) NNTP servers required a
>> certain amount of IT savvy, which is most likely the type of people
>> who would kick up a stink.
>
>What are you talking about? How was it more difficult than other ISP?
I wasn't referring to the ISP, I was referring to the type of people
who use newsgroups. It's a specialized service and if access was
restricted to it, these people are more likely to make things
difficult for the ISP that did it.
Didn't Iconz used to host a IRC server once upon a time on Undernet or
Efnet?
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Cheers,
Waylon Kenning.
HelensKi KlarK
> who use newsgroups. It's a specialized service and if access was
> restricted to it, these people are more likely to make things
> difficult for the ISP that did it.
>
> Didn't Iconz used to host a IRC server once upon a time on Undernet or
> Efnet?
I don't think setting up an NNTP News Client is any more difficult than
setting up an eMail Client personally. The issue for both is obtaining
the information in the first place. If you look on Xtra's web site (and
you will see they're STILL advertising the news server), you will see
they've got very little information about setting up an NNTP client,
whereas the eMail clients have plenty of information. Again, I put this
down to the view that they didn't give a damn about it, otherwise they
would have pushed it, and I believe that many more would have used it
(and found it just as easy to set up as their other applications).
Perhaps the more technically savvy among us might speak out more so
than the average joe blow, but then they're more likely to understand
the value of the service than others. You can apply that same concept
to a number of more general topics in every day life, say political
issues for example, and people will stand up and talk or protest
against or for what they know about or believe in. That doesn't mean
though that there isn't an advantage to others... it could just mean
that in being ignorant, you're risking losing something you never new
was there in the first place. For example, if you weren't educated
about what part oxygen played in our lives, or about the ocean
ecosystem was and how it was important, then you wouldn't be too
worried about the industrial pollution going on around you. The average
user should be appreciative of those that will speak out about this
issue, sit up, take note, and listen to what is going on.
Not sure about the Iconz IRC service. Possibly, but it's a slightly
different kettle of fish.
HelensKi KlarK
>
> Poor old Telecom, the share price keeps falling. I wonder if there will be a
> takeover, once the price falls enough.
Hi Geo...
Now don't take offence to this, because I think you're quite nice...
but F Telecom. They deserve everything they get.
The issue is more complex than you might imagine, and you really need
to get the facts before repeatedly 'supplying a solution' which to many
is inadequate.
Sure, a push bike might get me from Auckland to Christchurch, but to
many it would be inadequate and inappropriate, especially when the
supplier of the rental car you had paid for had removed the wheels
saying they were complimentary, just before you set off on your
journey. You'd be none too happy about the situation.
Google might be acceptable for some, like yourself, and not a bad
solution at that, but there's a bigger picture here. I won't go into it
all right now... just accept, or do the research.
Geopelia
"HelensKi KlarK" <file.dump...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150909610.5...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
I'm using aioe, there are a few problems but it improves all the time. I
only use Google if I can't get the messages otherwise.
I don't know about technical stuff, or Big Business machinations, so just
ramble on, (like a few others here!)
I don't take offence, and I agree Telecom deserve all they get. I'm just
sorry for all the small investors, but at least it's not like the Equiticorp
skulduggery - I hope.
Geopelia
Mike Dee
>> Google might be acceptable for some...
Yurk :-P
> I'm using aioe, there are a few problems but it improves all the time. I
> only use Google if I can't get the messages otherwise.
Hi Geopelia
Do you read alt.free.newsservers? You may have picked up on henrynet?
I prefer this server to aioe's - much faster with less limitations,
although I do use both.
Anyhoo, unlike aioe the subs to henrynet are limited, and are currently
open. I suggest now is a good time to get a henrynet service too.
Mail Henry <he...@henrynet.se> to sub
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dee
Geopelia
"Mike Dee" <emte...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.06.22.01.04.48.789304@emteedee...
Thanks, I'll keep that one in mind. aioe seems OK just now.
arf@flipflop.com Apairateef
"Rebel" <re...@rebellion.corn> wrote in message
news:1817103.m...@rebellion.corn...
Yes, know the limited number per day and all that..but i ended up with 9
posts that just wouldn't go thru for 4 days so i deleted them from my
programme...was pissing me off....
Sarns
Mike Dee
> Thanks, I'll keep that one in mind. aioe seems OK just now.
Brand loyalty eh? ;-)
henrynet is a *very good* free one, better than "OK" IMHO. But you don't
have to throw the B out with the BW - use both. Y' k'n lead a... etc etc
Cheers.
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dee