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 More options Apr 29 2012, 11:11 pm
From: McCrum <mcc...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:11:41 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Apr 29 2012 11:11 pm
Subject: Re: making fresnel lenses with makerbot
Light loss is the same as efficiency.  If you have a system that is
80% efficient, you have a 20% light loss factor.  My point with the
reflector system is that if you're building a reflector and ending up
with 100% of the original light going in to the head, doesn't it make
just as much sense to save yourself the time, energy, and cost of
making the reflector to just point the head at the sun itself and get
that same 100%?

Having finally gotten a chance to read their stuff on their site, it
appears that they have six individual 1mm cables bundled as one
terminal, which then is run through the building to provide about 500
lux at 6 meters from their fixture head.  Given the sun typically puts
out about 100,000 lux and traditional fiber optic losses, it's
actually really good for a system like this.  That said, if you're
putting together your own system, why limit yourself to six 1mm
fibers?  How about starting with something larger to get more light
into the room in the end?

How much light for how long are required by your plants?

On Apr 27, 3:41 pm, <frac...@maui.net> wrote:

> Light loss isn't as important as just getting the light through,
> IMHO; at that point it's all about efficiency.

> --- mcc...@hotmail.com wrote:

> From: McCrum <mcc...@hotmail.com>
> To: "NYCResistor:Microcontrollers" <nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Re: making fresnel lenses with makerbot
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:19:45 -0700 (PDT)

> Well, that had been my point.  You could not make something and
> achieve the same amount of light.

> On Apr 26, 1:25 pm, "Ted Hayes | Limina.Studio"

> <liminastu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sure, of course.  I'm just thinking out loud from a cost point of view; in the interest of making something really cheap that still gets some of the job done ;)

> > _t3db0t

> > On Apr 26, 2012, at 12:38 PM, McCrum wrote:

> > > Well, you're taking light from the sun, reflecting it off a surface
> > > and back towards the sun where it would presumably meet the "in"
> > > portion of the optic.  This "solar cooker" works because you're
> > > heating up the sun side as well as the dark side.

> > > In terms of reflectance, NASA gets about 95% from their mirrors.  A
> > > white ceiling gets about 80%.  So even with the best technology on
> > > earth, we're already down 5%, expect good mirrors to get, say 90%.
> > > But let's say that we're redirecting an additional 20% of surface area
> > > to that point, through reflection we're now getting 108% (.9*120) of
> > > just plain sunlight.

> > > Now, we're also taking an opaque object (the fiber head) and putting
> > > it in the middle of the point where the sun is, casting a shadow on
> > > the reflector, causing even more loss.  At that point, we're pretty
> > > close to the original 100% of just pointing it at the sun. in the
> > > first place but with a lot more work and more things to fail at
> > > various times.  Once you start adding in reflectance multipliers light
> > > intensity starts to drop really fast.

> > > On Apr 26, 11:35 am, "Ted Hayes | Limina.Studio"
> > > <liminastu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Yeah, but couldn't it still be used for that purpose?  The reflector faces the sun and the fiber optics are placed at the focal point and routed to wherever they need to go... A bit janky, but cheaper, I guess.

> > >> -t3db0t

> > >> On Apr 26, 2012, at 11:12 AM, McCrum wrote:

> > >>> I like this, but it's a reflector to bounce light back at a point and
> > >>> reflect sunlight back towards the source, essentially making it do a
> > >>> 180 degree turn.  Dave is looking to focus the light from the sun to a
> > >>> point and keep it going in the same direction.

> > >>> On Apr 26, 10:23 am, Angelo Tartanian <chunkymidgetmon...@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>http://hackaday.com/2012/01/09/diy-fresnel-reflector/

> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:15 AM, astrida <vastr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> You might be able to laser etch something to get a fresnel lens
> > >>>>> effect.  I'm thinking etching or cutting clear acrylic might work.

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