Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco brand? I need at least vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
> Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco brand? I need at least > vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
> Thanks
> Bob Cochran
Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm also not paying for them ;-)
On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote: > On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco brand? I need at least > > vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
> > Thanks
> > Bob Cochran
> Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm > also not paying for them ;-)
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> HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.
> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
> > On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco > brand? I need at least > > > vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
> > > Thanks
> > > Bob Cochran
> > Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm > > also not paying for them ;-)
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Guan Yuan: I wouldn't say HP or Dell are "better quality" than Cisco (what OP asked).
Robert L Cochran: Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, the desired port density and expansion. The features you listed can be provided by a number of other manufacturers. Whether they're "better" than Cisco is a loaded question.
You would do well to explore HP, Entarasys, Juniper, Brocade, Avaya, Extreme Networks, Arista Networks, to name a few.
On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Guan Yang wrote: > HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.
> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
> > On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco brand? I need at least > > > vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
> > > Thanks
> > > Bob Cochran
> > Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm > > also not paying for them ;-)
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> Guan Yuan: > I wouldn't say HP or Dell are "better quality" than Cisco (what OP asked).
> Robert L Cochran: > Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, the desired port density > and expansion. The features you listed can be provided by a number of > other manufacturers. Whether they're "better" than Cisco is a loaded > question.
> You would do well to explore HP, Entarasys, Juniper, Brocade, Avaya, > Extreme Networks, Arista Networks, to name a few.
> Cheers!
> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Guan Yang wrote:
> HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.
> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
> On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote:
> Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco brand? I > need at least > vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
> Thanks
> Bob Cochran
> Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm > also not paying for them ;-)
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On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Matt Joyce wrote: > Dell are rebranded broadcom switches ( at least until the Force10 acquisition results in better gear )
> Do NOT buy dell. They are terrible managed switches. > Netgear are terrible as well.
> HP is acceptable but Juniper are just plain better.
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Jackson Bloomston <iamnosk...@gmail.com (mailto:iamnosk...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > Guan Yuan: > > I wouldn't say HP or Dell are "better quality" than Cisco (what OP asked).
> > Robert L Cochran: > > Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, the desired port density and expansion. The features you listed can be provided by a number of other manufacturers. Whether they're "better" than Cisco is a loaded question.
> > You would do well to explore HP, Entarasys, Juniper, Brocade, Avaya, Extreme Networks, Arista Networks, to name a few.
> > Cheers!
> > On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Guan Yang wrote:
> > > HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.
> > > On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
> > > > On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > > > Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco brand? I need at least > > > > > vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Bob Cochran
> > > > Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm > > > > also not paying for them ;-)
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From: nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com [mailto:nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Joyce Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:52 PM To: nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?
Arista and juniper spring to mind.
On Feb 27, 2012 2:44 PM, "Guan Yang" <g...@yang.dk> wrote:
HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.
On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote: > On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco
brand? I need at least
> > vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
> > Thanks
> > Bob Cochran
> Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm > also not paying for them ;-)
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Working for a Data Center i get exposed to a great deal of network hardware and by Cisco is the industry standard i would say that Juniper is a close second but most of the time focus on Backbone equipment where Cisco runs the whole gambit.
I have a Juniper 10gE switch and its interface away from the CLI that is necessary is very nice and easy to work with Mike Shapiro LinearNetwork...@gmail.com
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 18:16, Jackson Bloomston <iamnosk...@gmail.com>wrote:
> I couldn't agree more. Total junk. I only mentioned them because I was > replying to the response right before, who suggested Dell and HP.
> My recommendations are in the second paragraph, addressed to the OP.
> Cheers, > Jackson
> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Matt Joyce wrote:
> Dell are rebranded broadcom switches ( at least until the Force10 > acquisition results in better gear )
> Do NOT buy dell. They are terrible managed switches. > Netgear are terrible as well.
> HP is acceptable but Juniper are just plain better.
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Jackson Bloomston <iamnosk...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Guan Yuan: > I wouldn't say HP or Dell are "better quality" than Cisco (what OP asked).
> Robert L Cochran: > Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, the desired port density > and expansion. The features you listed can be provided by a number of > other manufacturers. Whether they're "better" than Cisco is a loaded > question.
> You would do well to explore HP, Entarasys, Juniper, Brocade, Avaya, > Extreme Networks, Arista Networks, to name a few.
> Cheers!
> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Guan Yang wrote:
> HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.
> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
> On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote:
> Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco brand? I > need at least > vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
> Thanks
> Bob Cochran
> Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm > also not paying for them ;-)
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te...@aleconsultants.com> wrote: > On the low latency side of things, an FPGA with network interfacing could > be configured to perform only the tasks needed.****
> *From:* nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com [mailto: > nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Joyce > *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2012 5:52 PM > *To:* nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?****
> ** **
> Arista and juniper spring to mind.****
> On Feb 27, 2012 2:44 PM, "Guan Yang" <g...@yang.dk> wrote:****
> HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.
> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
> > On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco > brand? I need at least > > > vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
> > > Thanks
> > > Bob Cochran
> > Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm > > also not paying for them ;-)
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> Working for a Data Center i get exposed to a great deal of network > hardware and by Cisco is the industry standard i would say that Juniper is > a close second but most of the time focus on Backbone equipment where Cisco > runs the whole gambit.
> I have a Juniper 10gE switch and its interface away from the CLI that is > necessary is very nice and easy to work with > Mike Shapiro > LinearNetwork...@gmail.com
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 18:16, Jackson Bloomston <iamnosk...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> I couldn't agree more. Total junk. I only mentioned them because I was >> replying to the response right before, who suggested Dell and HP.
>> My recommendations are in the second paragraph, addressed to the OP.
>> Cheers, >> Jackson
>> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Matt Joyce wrote:
>> Dell are rebranded broadcom switches ( at least until the Force10 >> acquisition results in better gear )
>> Do NOT buy dell. They are terrible managed switches. >> Netgear are terrible as well.
>> HP is acceptable but Juniper are just plain better.
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Jackson Bloomston <iamnosk...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Guan Yuan: >> I wouldn't say HP or Dell are "better quality" than Cisco (what OP >> asked).
>> Robert L Cochran: >> Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, the desired port density >> and expansion. The features you listed can be provided by a number of >> other manufacturers. Whether they're "better" than Cisco is a loaded >> question.
>> You would do well to explore HP, Entarasys, Juniper, Brocade, Avaya, >> Extreme Networks, Arista Networks, to name a few.
>> Cheers!
>> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Guan Yang wrote:
>> HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.
>> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
>> On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote:
>> Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco brand? >> I need at least >> vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
>> Thanks
>> Bob Cochran
>> Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm >> also not paying for them ;-)
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>> *From:* nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com [mailto: >> nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Joyce >> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2012 5:52 PM >> *To:* nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?****
>> ** **
>> Arista and juniper spring to mind.****
>> On Feb 27, 2012 2:44 PM, "Guan Yang" <g...@yang.dk> wrote:****
>> HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.
>> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
>> > On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote: >> > > Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco >> brand? I need at least >> > > vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
>> > > Thanks
>> > > Bob Cochran
>> > Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm >> > also not paying for them ;-)
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Complicated, yes (but relative term). Why least reliable?
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Any FPGA-based design is probably the most-complicated/least-reliable solution you could possibly come up with when it comes to networking gear.
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Arista and juniper spring to mind.
On Feb 27, 2012 2:44 PM, "Guan Yang" <g...@yang.dk> wrote:
HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.
On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote: > On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco
brand? I need at least
> > vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
> > Thanks
> > Bob Cochran
> Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm > also not paying for them ;-)
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Maybe it's more fair to say, "OP was looking for a pre-manufactured managed switch" ;)
FPGA stuff is cool… though I'd imagine it's not something you come across in to day IT. However it is/was all the rage among traders / financial institutions looking to accelerate their trading systems. Neat stuff.
On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 6:41 PM, c f wrote: > Any FPGA-based design is probably the most-complicated/least-reliable solution you could possibly come up with when it comes to networking gear.
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Matt Joyce <mdjo...@gmail.com (mailto:mdjo...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > Are you aware of the netfpga project?
> > > From: nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com (mailto:nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com) [mailto:nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Joyce > > > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:52 PM > > > To: nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com (mailto:nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com) > > > Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?
> > > Arista and juniper spring to mind.
> > > On Feb 27, 2012 2:44 PM, "Guan Yang" <g...@yang.dk (mailto:g...@yang.dk)> wrote:
> > > HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.
> > > On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
> > > > On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > > > Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco brand? I need at least > > > > > vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Bob Cochran
> > > > Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm > > > > also not paying for them ;-)
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Because the silicon in a Cisco switch has been verified by a team of DV engineers and seen 10's of thousands of hours (at a minimum) of real-world usage (and the accompanying bug discovery). Almost any DIY FPGA-based design will not get the same treatment, and will not be as reliable.
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Terry Stratoudakis <
> *From:* nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com [mailto: > nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Joyce > *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2012 5:52 PM > *To:* nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?****
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> Arista and juniper spring to mind.****
> On Feb 27, 2012 2:44 PM, "Guan Yang" <g...@yang.dk> wrote:****
> HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.
> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
> > On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco > brand? I need at least > > > vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
> > > Thanks
> > > Bob Cochran
> > Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm > > also not paying for them ;-)
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I want to thank everyone for their suggestions. I will investigate all the suggestions and even look at bit at FPGA. Last week I bought not one, but two Cisco switches. One of these works fine out of the box. The second one is defective and I am very unhappy with Cisco's level of support for my problem. I will probably ask newegg.com (which sold me both switches) to RMA it and buy one of the brands suggested on this forum as the replacement.
> Guan Yuan: > I wouldn't say HP or Dell are "better quality" than Cisco (what OP > asked).
> Robert L Cochran: > Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, the desired port > density and expansion. The features you listed can be provided by a > number of other manufacturers. Whether they're "better" than Cisco is > a loaded question.
> You would do well to explore HP, Entarasys, Juniper, Brocade, Avaya, > Extreme Networks, Arista Networks, to name a few.
> Cheers!
> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Guan Yang wrote:
>> HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.
>> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
>>> On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote: >>>> Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco >>>> brand? I need at least >>>> vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Bob Cochran
>>> Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm >>> also not paying for them ;-)
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If it will be used for a wide range of applications (as Cisco HW is) it needs 10's of thousands of hours of testing for all those variations. If your use case is more specific it will not need that kind of testing. It's like comparing a large automotive manufacturer to a custom made car.
The FPGAs themselves are tested by their manufacturers under many configurations as well.
From: nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com [mailto:nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of c f Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:50 PM To: nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?
Because the silicon in a Cisco switch has been verified by a team of DV engineers and seen 10's of thousands of hours (at a minimum) of real-world usage (and the accompanying bug discovery). Almost any DIY FPGA-based design will not get the same treatment, and will not be as reliable.
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Terry Stratoudakis
Complicated, yes (but relative term). Why least reliable?
From: nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com <mailto:nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com> [mailto:nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com <mailto:nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of c f Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:42 PM
To: nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?
Any FPGA-based design is probably the most-complicated/least-reliable solution you could possibly come up with when it comes to networking gear.
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Matt Joyce <mdjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com <mailto:nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com> [mailto:nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com <mailto:nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Matt Joyce Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:52 PM To: nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com <mailto:nycresistormicrocontrollers@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?
Arista and juniper spring to mind.
On Feb 27, 2012 2:44 PM, "Guan Yang" <g...@yang.dk> wrote:
HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.
On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote: > On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco
brand? I need at least
> > vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
> > Thanks
> > Bob Cochran
> Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm > also not paying for them ;-)
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<cochr...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > I want to thank everyone for their suggestions. I will investigate all the > suggestions and even look at bit at FPGA. Last week I bought not one, but > two Cisco switches. One of these works fine out of the box. The second one > is defective and I am very unhappy with Cisco's level of support for my > problem. I will probably ask newegg.com (which sold me both switches) to RMA > it and buy one of the brands suggested on this forum as the replacement.
Let's clarify here. Are you talking real Cisco Small Office line, which used to be Linksys, or "real" enterprise level Cisco?
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Robert L Cochran > <cochr...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >> I want to thank everyone for their suggestions. I will investigate all the >> suggestions and even look at bit at FPGA. Last week I bought not one, but >> two Cisco switches. One of these works fine out of the box. The second one >> is defective and I am very unhappy with Cisco's level of support for my >> problem. I will probably ask newegg.com (which sold me both switches) to RMA >> it and buy one of the brands suggested on this forum as the replacement. > Let's clarify here. Are you talking real Cisco Small Office line, > which used to be Linksys, or "real" enterprise level Cisco?
<cochr...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > Specifically the Cisco SG200-08 and SG300-10 "Small Business" switches. The > SG300-10 works fine out of the box. The SG200-08 does not.
That's not real Cisco, a couple years ago, it would have a Linksys label on it. While I haven't had bad experiences with them, I wouldn't let yours sour you to the "real" enterprise grade stuff. Totally separate product lines.
I have a lot to learn about switches. Color me a beginner.
Is there such a thing as a switch with open sourced firmware? I suppose I can't replace the firmware on my Cisco with open source firmware from a non-Cisco firmware project?
> Guan Yuan: > I wouldn't say HP or Dell are "better quality" than Cisco (what OP > asked).
> Robert L Cochran: > Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, the desired port > density and expansion. The features you listed can be provided by a > number of other manufacturers. Whether they're "better" than Cisco is > a loaded question.
> You would do well to explore HP, Entarasys, Juniper, Brocade, Avaya, > Extreme Networks, Arista Networks, to name a few.
> Cheers!
> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Guan Yang wrote:
>> HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.
>> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
>>> On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote: >>>> Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco >>>> brand? I need at least >>>> vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Bob Cochran
>>> Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm >>> also not paying for them ;-)
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To my knowledge no one has ever ported an open source framework on a Cisco Router or switch but if you can get it to work you might just have a project for the ages! There are plenty of 3rd party tools and software that compliments Cisco equipment but never heard of anyone rolling their own. If someone undertakes this project i would love to get my hands on a copy of the image due to the fact that i get a ton of EOL Cisco equipment
> I have a lot to learn about switches. Color me a beginner.
> Is there such a thing as a switch with open sourced firmware? I suppose I > can't replace the firmware on my Cisco with open source firmware from a > non-Cisco firmware project?
> Thanks
> Bob Cochran
> On 2/27/12 5:57 PM, Jackson Bloomston wrote:
>> Guan Yuan: >> I wouldn't say HP or Dell are "better quality" than Cisco (what OP asked).
>> Robert L Cochran: >> Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, the desired port density >> and expansion. The features you listed can be provided by a number of >> other manufacturers. Whether they're "better" than Cisco is a loaded >> question.
>> You would do well to explore HP, Entarasys, Juniper, Brocade, Avaya, >> Extreme Networks, Arista Networks, to name a few.
>> Cheers!
>> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Guan Yang wrote:
>> HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.
>>> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
>>> On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote:
>>>>> Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco >>>>> brand? I need at least >>>>> vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Bob Cochran
>>>> Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm >>>> also not paying for them ;-)
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> To my knowledge no one has ever ported an open source framework on a Cisco > Router or switch but if you can get it to work you might just have a > project for the ages! There are plenty of 3rd party tools and software that > compliments Cisco equipment but never heard of anyone rolling their own. If > someone undertakes this project i would love to get my hands on a copy of > the image due to the fact that i get a ton of EOL Cisco equipment
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 23:06, Robert L Cochran <cochr...@speakeasy.net>wrote:
>> I have a lot to learn about switches. Color me a beginner.
>> Is there such a thing as a switch with open sourced firmware? I suppose I >> can't replace the firmware on my Cisco with open source firmware from a >> non-Cisco firmware project?
>> Thanks
>> Bob Cochran
>> On 2/27/12 5:57 PM, Jackson Bloomston wrote:
>>> Guan Yuan: >>> I wouldn't say HP or Dell are "better quality" than Cisco (what OP >>> asked).
>>> Robert L Cochran: >>> Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, the desired port density >>> and expansion. The features you listed can be provided by a number of >>> other manufacturers. Whether they're "better" than Cisco is a loaded >>> question.
>>> You would do well to explore HP, Entarasys, Juniper, Brocade, Avaya, >>> Extreme Networks, Arista Networks, to name a few.
>>> Cheers!
>>> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Guan Yang wrote:
>>> HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.
>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
>>>> On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote:
>>>>>> Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco >>>>>> brand? I need at least >>>>>> vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Bob Cochran
>>>>> Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm >>>>> also not paying for them ;-)
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I think you may need to figure out what you want to do with them before looking for unofficial firmware. You won't find anything for Cisco's enterprise stuff, but may find a lot under the linksys/cisco small business brand. DD-WRT is a popular open source firmware for the Linksys wireless routers, but it was designed to provide enterprise like features to a device intended for home use. If you look at Cisco's enterprise offering, you'll see a tons of features and flexibility already built in.
If you're looking for something to play with, best stick to the Cisco small business/ Linksys stuff, as there is a higher probablility of a hacking community.
If you want true enterprise capabilities in a small, affordable package, I'd actually recommend a Juniper EX2200. I'm a big Cisco guy, but the EX is small, cheap, well built, and runs an enterprise level OS (JunOS). It's pretty great and loaded with features.
-- Dan On Feb 28, 2012 11:06 PM, "Robert L Cochran" <cochr...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> I have a lot to learn about switches. Color me a beginner.
> Is there such a thing as a switch with open sourced firmware? I suppose I > can't replace the firmware on my Cisco with open source firmware from a > non-Cisco firmware project?
> Thanks
> Bob Cochran
> On 2/27/12 5:57 PM, Jackson Bloomston wrote:
>> Guan Yuan: >> I wouldn't say HP or Dell are "better quality" than Cisco (what OP asked).
>> Robert L Cochran: >> Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, the desired port density >> and expansion. The features you listed can be provided by a number of >> other manufacturers. Whether they're "better" than Cisco is a loaded >> question.
>> You would do well to explore HP, Entarasys, Juniper, Brocade, Avaya, >> Extreme Networks, Arista Networks, to name a few.
>> Cheers!
>> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Guan Yang wrote:
>> HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.
>>> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
>>> On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote:
>>>>> Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco >>>>> brand? I need at least >>>>> vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Bob Cochran
>>>> Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm >>>> also not paying for them ;-)
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Thanks for your thoughts here. Given the cost of the Juniper EX2200-C at approximately USD $960, does it make sense to have enterprise switches in a SOHO setting -- one where there will be a great deal of activity with an network attached storage device? One person wants to store terabytes of photos on an NAS. My thinking has been that an enterprise class switch might be needed to handle that amount of data and do it quickly. Perhaps I'm wrong and don't need to invest in higher end switches? I mean, what do I know about switches...but I'm happy to learn more.
> I think you may need to figure out what you want to do with them > before looking for unofficial firmware. You won't find anything for > Cisco's enterprise stuff, but may find a lot under the linksys/cisco > small business brand. DD-WRT is a popular open source firmware for > the Linksys wireless routers, but it was designed to provide > enterprise like features to a device intended for home use. If you > look at Cisco's enterprise offering, you'll see a tons of features and > flexibility already built in.
> If you're looking for something to play with, best stick to the Cisco > small business/ Linksys stuff, as there is a higher probablility of a > hacking community.
> If you want true enterprise capabilities in a small, affordable > package, I'd actually recommend a Juniper EX2200. I'm a big Cisco > guy, but the EX is small, cheap, well built, and runs an enterprise > level OS (JunOS). It's pretty great and loaded with features.
> -- Dan
> On Feb 28, 2012 11:06 PM, "Robert L Cochran" <cochr...@speakeasy.net > <mailto:cochr...@speakeasy.net>> wrote:
> I have a lot to learn about switches. Color me a beginner.
> Is there such a thing as a switch with open sourced firmware? I > suppose I can't replace the firmware on my Cisco with open source > firmware from a non-Cisco firmware project?
> Thanks
> Bob Cochran
> On 2/27/12 5:57 PM, Jackson Bloomston wrote:
> Guan Yuan: > I wouldn't say HP or Dell are "better quality" than Cisco > (what OP asked).
> Robert L Cochran: > Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, the desired > port density and expansion. The features you listed can be > provided by a number of other manufacturers. Whether they're > "better" than Cisco is a loaded question.
> You would do well to explore HP, Entarasys, Juniper, Brocade, > Avaya, Extreme Networks, Arista Networks, to name a few.
> Cheers!
> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Guan Yang wrote:
> HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to > configure.
> On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
> On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote:
> Are there network switches that are better quality > than the Cisco brand? I need at least > vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe > port trunking.
> Thanks
> Bob Cochran
> Better quality in what way? Generally I like the > interface but I'm > also not paying for them ;-)
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