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Robert L Cochran  
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From: Robert L Cochran <cochr...@speakeasy.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:44:02 -0500
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 4:44 pm
Subject: Better Switches Than Cisco?
Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco brand?
I need at least vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port
trunking.

Thanks

Bob Cochran


 
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Neil Cherry  
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From: Neil Cherry <nche...@linuxha.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:42:13 -0500
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Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?
On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote:

> Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco brand? I need at least
> vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.

> Thanks

> Bob Cochran

Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm
also not paying for them ;-)

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From: Guan Yang <g...@yang.dk>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:43:55 -0500
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Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?
HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.


 
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Matt Joyce  
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From: Matt Joyce <mdjo...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:52:23 -0800
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Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

Arista and juniper spring to mind.
On Feb 27, 2012 2:44 PM, "Guan Yang" <g...@yang.dk> wrote:


 
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Jackson Bloomston  
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From: Jackson Bloomston <iamnosk...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:57:09 -0500
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 5:57 pm
Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

Guan Yuan:
I wouldn't say HP or Dell are "better quality" than Cisco (what OP asked).  

Robert L Cochran:
Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, the desired port density and expansion.  The features you listed can be provided by a number of other manufacturers.  Whether they're "better" than Cisco is a loaded question.  

You would do well to explore HP, Entarasys, Juniper, Brocade, Avaya, Extreme Networks, Arista Networks, to name a few.

Cheers!


 
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Matt Joyce  
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From: Matt Joyce <mdjo...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:13:31 -0800
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 6:13 pm
Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

Dell are rebranded broadcom switches ( at least until the Force10
acquisition results in better gear )

Do NOT buy dell.  They are terrible managed switches.
Netgear are terrible as well.

HP is acceptable but Juniper are just plain better.

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Jackson Bloomston  
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From: Jackson Bloomston <iamnosk...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:16:58 -0500
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 6:16 pm
Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

I couldn't agree more.  Total junk.  I only mentioned them because I was replying to the response right before, who suggested Dell and HP.

My recommendations are in the second paragraph, addressed to the OP.

Cheers,
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Terry Stratoudakis  
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 More options Feb 27 2012, 6:35 pm
From: "Terry Stratoudakis" <te...@aleconsultants.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:35:48 -0600
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 6:35 pm
Subject: RE: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

On the low latency side of things, an FPGA with network interfacing
could be configured to perform only the tasks needed.

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Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

Arista and juniper spring to mind.

On Feb 27, 2012 2:44 PM, "Guan Yang" <g...@yang.dk> wrote:

HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.

On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
> On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote:
> > Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco

brand? I need at least
> > vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.

> > Thanks

> > Bob Cochran

> Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm
> also not paying for them ;-)

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From: Mike Shapiro <linearnetwork...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:36:38 -0500
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Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

Working for a Data Center i get exposed to a great deal of network hardware
and by Cisco is the industry standard i would say that Juniper is a close
second but most of the time focus on Backbone equipment where Cisco runs
the whole gambit.

I have a Juniper 10gE switch and its interface away from the CLI that is
necessary is very nice and easy to work with
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:39:39 -0800
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Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

Are you aware of the netfpga project?

http://netfpga.org/

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Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

On the 10G side I've been very impressed with Arista.

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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:41:43 -0500
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Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

Any FPGA-based design is probably the most-complicated/least-reliable
solution you could possibly come up with when it comes to networking gear.


 
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:46:34 -0600
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Subject: RE: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

Complicated, yes (but relative term).  Why least reliable?

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Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

Any FPGA-based design is probably the most-complicated/least-reliable
solution you could possibly come up with when it comes to networking
gear.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Matt Joyce <mdjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Are you aware of the netfpga project?

http://netfpga.org/

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Terry Stratoudakis

<te...@aleconsultants.com> wrote:

On the low latency side of things, an FPGA with network interfacing
could be configured to perform only the tasks needed.

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Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

Arista and juniper spring to mind.

On Feb 27, 2012 2:44 PM, "Guan Yang" <g...@yang.dk> wrote:

HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.

On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
> On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote:
> > Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco

brand? I need at least
> > vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.

> > Thanks

> > Bob Cochran

> Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm
> also not paying for them ;-)

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Jackson Bloomston  
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:47:30 -0500
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Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

Maybe it's more fair to say, "OP was looking for a pre-manufactured managed switch"  ;)

FPGA stuff is cool… though I'd imagine it's not something you come across in to day IT.  However it is/was all the rage among traders / financial institutions looking to accelerate their trading systems.  Neat stuff.


 
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:50:00 -0500
Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

Because the silicon in a Cisco switch has been verified by a team of DV
engineers and seen 10's of thousands of hours (at a minimum) of real-world
usage (and the accompanying bug discovery). Almost any DIY FPGA-based
design will not get the same treatment, and will not be as reliable.

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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 20:57:49 -0500
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 8:57 pm
Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?
I want to thank everyone for their suggestions. I will investigate all
the suggestions and even look at bit at FPGA. Last week I bought not
one, but two Cisco switches. One of these works fine out of the box. The
second one is defective and I am very unhappy with Cisco's level of
support for my problem. I will probably ask newegg.com (which sold me
both switches) to RMA it and buy one of the brands suggested on this
forum as the replacement.

Bob Cochran

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 06:00:27 -0600
Local: Tues, Feb 28 2012 7:00 am
Subject: RE: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

If it will be used for a wide range of applications (as Cisco HW is) it
needs 10's of thousands of hours of testing for all those variations.
If your use case is more specific it will not need that kind of testing.
It's like comparing a large automotive manufacturer to a custom made
car.

The FPGAs themselves are tested by their manufacturers under many
configurations as well.

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Because the silicon in a Cisco switch has been verified by a team of DV
engineers and seen 10's of thousands of hours (at a minimum) of
real-world usage (and the accompanying bug discovery). Almost any DIY
FPGA-based design will not get the same treatment, and will not be as
reliable.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Terry Stratoudakis

<te...@aleconsultants.com> wrote:

Complicated, yes (but relative term).  Why least reliable?

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Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

Any FPGA-based design is probably the most-complicated/least-reliable
solution you could possibly come up with when it comes to networking
gear.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Matt Joyce <mdjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Are you aware of the netfpga project?

http://netfpga.org/

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Terry Stratoudakis

<te...@aleconsultants.com> wrote:

On the low latency side of things, an FPGA with network interfacing
could be configured to perform only the tasks needed.

Terry Stratoudakis, PE

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Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

Arista and juniper spring to mind.

On Feb 27, 2012 2:44 PM, "Guan Yang" <g...@yang.dk> wrote:

HP switches are good. Dells work ok but are a nightmare to configure.

On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:42 , Neil Cherry wrote:
> On 02/27/2012 04:44 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote:
> > Are there network switches that are better quality than the Cisco

brand? I need at least
> > vlan, link aggregation control protocol, and maybe port trunking.

> > Thanks

> > Bob Cochran

> Better quality in what way? Generally I like the interface but I'm
> also not paying for them ;-)

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Andy Leviss  
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From: Andy Leviss <a...@ducksecho.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:44:19 -0500
Local: Tues, Feb 28 2012 1:44 pm
Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Robert L Cochran

<cochr...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> I want to thank everyone for their suggestions. I will investigate all the
> suggestions and even look at bit at FPGA. Last week I bought not one, but
> two Cisco switches. One of these works fine out of the box. The second one
> is defective and I am very unhappy with Cisco's level of support for my
> problem. I will probably ask newegg.com (which sold me both switches) to RMA
> it and buy one of the brands suggested on this forum as the replacement.

Let's clarify here. Are you talking real Cisco Small Office line,
which used to be Linksys, or "real" enterprise level Cisco?

-Andy


 
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 More options Feb 28 2012, 4:36 pm
From: Robert L Cochran <cochr...@speakeasy.net>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:36:14 -0500
Local: Tues, Feb 28 2012 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?
Specifically the Cisco SG200-08 and SG300-10 "Small Business" switches.
The SG300-10 works fine out of the box. The SG200-08 does not.

Thanks!

Bob

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From: Andy Leviss <a...@ducksecho.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:49:02 -0500
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Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Robert L Cochran

<cochr...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> Specifically the Cisco SG200-08 and SG300-10 "Small Business" switches. The
> SG300-10 works fine out of the box. The SG200-08 does not.

That's not real Cisco, a couple years ago, it would have a Linksys
label on it. While I haven't had bad experiences with them, I wouldn't
let yours sour you to the "real" enterprise grade stuff. Totally
separate product lines.

--Andy


 
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Robert L Cochran  
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 More options Feb 28 2012, 11:06 pm
From: Robert L Cochran <cochr...@speakeasy.net>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:06:33 -0500
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Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?
I have a lot to learn about switches. Color me a beginner.

Is there such a thing as a switch with open sourced firmware? I suppose
I can't replace the firmware on my Cisco with open source firmware from
a non-Cisco firmware project?

Thanks

Bob Cochran

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From: Mike Shapiro <linearnetwork...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:22:50 -0500
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Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

To my knowledge no one has ever ported an open source framework on a Cisco
Router or switch but if you can get it to work you might just have a
project for the ages! There are plenty of 3rd party tools and software that
compliments Cisco equipment but never heard of anyone rolling their own. If
someone undertakes this project i would love to get my hands on a copy of
the image due to the fact that i get a ton of EOL Cisco equipment

Mike Shapiro
LinearNetwork...@gmail.com

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From: Matt Joyce <mdjo...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 01:58:09 -0800
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Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

openwrt to an extent may be considered an open source switch platform...
look at like a fonera wireless router with switch within.

then there is openvswitch which is a virtual switch solution.

-matt

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From: Dan Stralka <mrsyelt...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 01:10:34 -0500
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Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?

Bob,

I think you may need to figure out what you want to do with them before
looking for unofficial firmware.  You won't find anything for Cisco's
enterprise stuff, but may find a lot under the linksys/cisco small business
brand.  DD-WRT is a popular open source firmware for the Linksys wireless
routers, but it was designed to provide enterprise like features to a
device intended for home use.  If you look at Cisco's enterprise offering,
you'll see a tons of features and flexibility already built in.

If you're looking for something to play with, best stick to the Cisco small
business/ Linksys stuff, as there is a higher probablility of a hacking
community.

If you want true enterprise capabilities in a small, affordable package,
I'd actually recommend a Juniper EX2200.  I'm a big Cisco guy, but the EX
is small, cheap, well built, and runs an enterprise level OS (JunOS).  It's
pretty great and loaded with features.

-- Dan
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From: Robert L Cochran <cochr...@speakeasy.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 13:54:27 -0500
Local: Sun, Mar 4 2012 1:54 pm
Subject: Re: [NYCR:Microcontrollers] Better Switches Than Cisco?
Dan,

Thanks for your thoughts here. Given the cost of the Juniper EX2200-C at
approximately USD $960, does it make sense to have enterprise switches
in a SOHO setting -- one where there will be a great deal of activity
with an network attached storage device? One person wants to store
terabytes of photos on an NAS. My thinking has been that an enterprise
class switch might be needed to handle that amount of data and do it
quickly. Perhaps I'm wrong and don't need to invest in higher end
switches? I mean, what do I know about switches...but I'm happy to learn
more.

Bob

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