When the MSM rides your Democrat ass...
Yer Pal Al
After news broke out of the shooting at the Fort Hood Army post in
Texas, the nation watched in horror as the toll of dead and injured
climbed. The White House was notified immediately and by late
afternoon, word went out that the president would speak about the
incident prior to a previously scheduled appearance. At about 5 p.m.,
cable stations went to the president. The situation called for not
only his trademark eloquence, but also grace and perspective.
But instead of a somber chief executive offering reassuring words and
expressions of sympathy and compassion, viewers saw a wildly
disconnected and inappropriately light president making introductory
remarks.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html?__source=Facebook
Al
Sancho Panza
"Al" <albert.f...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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That's because it's *his* fault, right?
squirltok
Maybe, you ever know anybody that is suck a screwup that they bring
others down more than themselves? Bush along with his carnival of evil
politics kills people and gets people killed to this very day. Surely
if Bush didn't kill Iraqis with his (pass out taxpayers money)
missions then this more than likely would not have happened.
just sayin, Bush screwed up a lot of lives by just being the president
and it's not over
Barack Hussein Bohica
wrote:
The Bammer is going down later this week, they had to find the guy for
the photo op...
Barack Hussein Bohica
The teleprompter made him do it.
Phxbrd
"Barack Hussein Bohica" <Charlie...@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
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It blew me away to hear an army spokesman say they have no idea what the
shooter's motive was! Can't see the trees for the forest?
Alex DeLarge
> just sayin, Bush
85.25.152.185
Germany
51.0000 9.0000
intergenia AG
Curt
> It blew me away to hear an army spokesman say they have no idea what the
> shooter's motive was! Can't see the trees for the forest?-
Cause he was nuts, is my guess..
Curt
gb
Killing one, killing a dozen, killing several dozen -- all pretty much
the same thing. Just differs in degrees.
Killing in the Name of God/Allah/whoever is all the same thing -- a
mental illness.
Phxbrd
"Curt" <obadia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Curt
------------------
Obviously, as all killers are, but the point is why? It seems as obvious as
the nose on your face that he was torn between his religion and the US Army
training soldiers to hate and kill all members of his religion. As a
psychiatrist, he dealt with emotions of young boys and girls who felt also
torn between right and wrong. Something had to give.
Now the question is what will the army do with all the other Muslims
currently enlisted in the army that wants to kill their Muslim brothers and
sisters? Will we put them in internment camps once housing innocent
Japanese as we did during WWII? Will we wait and see how many more go
berserk as they're faced with bitter choices?
gb
<lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>"Curt" <obadia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:d932a78e-d933-4b4c...@g10g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>On Nov 9, 8:08 am, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> It blew me away to hear an army spokesman say they have no idea what the
>> shooter's motive was! Can't see the trees for the forest?-
>
>Cause he was nuts, is my guess..
>
>Curt
>------------------
>
>Obviously, as all killers are,
All killers are Not nuts, as both a medical and legal precept.
>...but the point is why?
See here's the problem in a nutshell:
How do You Know someone is nuts?
Because of their Actions -- not their beliefs. They may believe
whatever they choose, but they can only be held accountable for how
they Act.
> It seems as obvious as
>the nose on your face that he was torn between his religion and the US Army
>training soldiers to hate and kill all members of his religion. As a
>psychiatrist, he dealt with emotions of young boys and girls who felt also
>torn between right and wrong. Something had to give.
Nothing really Had to give. Something just gave. There are those who
can handle that sort of internal conflict and do. There are those who
cannot and don't.
But as regards his Actions, those matter -- not his psychic fragility
or his religiosity, even carried to extremes. He murdered a bunch of
folks. We may wish to divine his rationale for doing so, but he
really Did do it.
I doubt an insanity defense will work for him, in that the Legal
definition of insanity doesn't seem to apply in this case.
Anyone may believe Anything, but since we don't (yet, anyways) have
Thought Police, that's OK. We have WingNuts hereon who do sincerely
believe in killing doctors, for example. It's OK if they believe that
-- it's Not OK if they actually Do it.
The comparison is more like that than anything else.
>Now the question is what will the army do with all the other Muslims
>currently enlisted in the army that wants to kill their Muslim brothers and
>sisters?
The best answer is Nothing at all! There's no reason to take any
action against them if they don't actually Do something that would
comprise grounds for such an action. There are between 3-4 thousand
Muslims currently serving in the US military, oftimes with
considerable distinction. One even got a posthumous MOH in the
Kuwait action.
The question is ridiculous on its face. There's no Need to Do
anything with them, just because of their religious preference.
> Will we put them in internment camps once housing innocent
>Japanese as we did during WWII?
One would hope that we've learned the folly of that action long since.
But the Japanese weren't interned because of what religion they
practiced. They were interned because of what they looked like.
> Will we wait and see how many more go
>berserk as they're faced with bitter choices?
Does it occur to you that Violence within the military is not caused
only by religious belief?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/us/10post.html?_r=1&th&emc=th
...Fort Hood is still reeling from last week�s carnage, in which an
Army psychiatrist is accused of a massacre that left 13 people dead.
But in the town of Killeen and other surrounding communities, the
attack, one of the worst mass shootings on a military base in the
United States, is also seen by many as another blow in an area that
has been beset by crime and violence since the wars in Afghanistan and
Iraq began. Reports of domestic abuse have grown by 75 percent since
2001. At the same time, violent crime in Killeen has risen 22 percent
while declining 7 percent in towns of similar size in other parts of
the country....
...In July, two weeks after Sergeant Garza�s death, Lt. Gen. Rick
Lynch, then the base commander, told Congress he was in dire need of
more mental health professionals. �That�s the biggest frustration,� he
told a House subcommittee. �I�m short about 44 of what I am convinced
I need at Fort Hood that I just don�t have.�
Among the medical personnel brought to Fort Hood to help deal with the
growing mental health issues was Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who arrived
in July. Major Hasan is accused in the attacks last week, but little
is known about what might have driven him....
Save that we have this little group of WingNut Expert Clowns who just
Know all that Can presently be known about the entire case, have
concluded the Due Process of Law and are now prepared not only to
execute him but to deport his family in the process.
And also to Do Something about all the other thousands of practicing
Muslims in the US military, for no particularly good reason.
Bizarre!
Obwon
<lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote:
the choice would not be so bitter if there were better
justification for the war, and if the war had not been cast
in "us against them" terms, with the tapestry of religious
fervor behind it all. Let's face it, the war itself is
questionable and widely known to be unecessary. I'd have to
say anyone who has a "horse in this race", is going to be
severely conflicted if required to take a daily dose of it
from the inside. Hardly a wonder some are going to go over
the edge. They need to address the issues now, and in a
sane way that comports with the questionableness of the
effort.
Alex DeLarge
So him shouting "allah akbar" didn't give you another clue?
Alex DeLarge
> Killing one, killing a dozen, killing several dozen -- all pretty much
> the same thing. Just differs in degrees.
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gb wrote:
dated: 10/8/2009
Sender: g...@amusenet.com
<ubisc5h6ti7g43kg0...@4ax.com>
> You should really find another set of friends. ;)
"Not my friends, clearly. Never used one, and wouldn't. Have
considered, once I'm well into my dotage, taking one of the target
rifles and a Gillie Suit into the woods, and simply offing a bunch of
them as far from anything as is possible.
Society would suffer no great loss thereby, seems to me."
===================================================================================
> Killing in the Name of God/Allah/whoever is all the same thing -- a
> mental illness.
So what is your version called, killer?
Alex DeLarge
> All killers are Not nuts, as both a medical and legal precept.
>
Alex DeLarge
> "Curt" <obadia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:d932a78e-d933-4b4c...@g10g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 9, 8:08 am, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> It blew me away to hear an army spokesman say they have no idea what the
>> shooter's motive was! Can't see the trees for the forest?-
>
> Cause he was nuts, is my guess..
>
> Curt
> ------------------
>
> Obviously, as all killers are, but the point is why? It seems as obvious as
> the nose on your face that he was torn between his religion and the US Army
> training soldiers to hate and kill all members of his religion. As a
> psychiatrist, he dealt with emotions of young boys and girls who felt also
> torn between right and wrong. Something had to give.
No it didn't.
Why are you making excuses for this muzzie vermin, old man?
> Now the question is what will the army do with all the other Muslims
> currently enlisted in the army that wants to kill their Muslim brothers and
> sisters?
You're saying their "brother and sisters" are all terrorists?
Good, there's a start.
> Will we put them in internment camps once housing innocent
> Japanese as we did during WWII?
Unlikely.
> Will we wait and see how many more go
> berserk as they're faced with bitter choices?
Why yes, we will, sadly.
And those "bitter choices", you fucking TRAITOR...there are NONE!
You're either an AMERICAN or you're NOT!
Decide, you pissant motherfucker!
Alex DeLarge
> See here's the problem in a nutshell:
>
> How do You Know someone is nuts?
Oh I dunno, maybe it comes when they publicly post insane, murderous
crap like YOU did:
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gb wrote:
dated: 10/8/2009
Sender: g...@amusenet.com
<ubisc5h6ti7g43kg0...@4ax.com>
> You should really find another set of friends. ;)
"Not my friends, clearly. Never used one, and wouldn't. Have
considered, once I'm well into my dotage, taking one of the target
rifles and a Gillie Suit into the woods, and simply offing a bunch of
them as far from anything as is possible.
Society would suffer no great loss thereby, seems to me."
===================================================================================
> Because of their Actions -- not their beliefs. They may believe
> whatever they choose, but they can only be held accountable for how
> they Act.
Ho will YOU act then, killer???
Alex DeLarge
Yes, the fatwa Al Qaeda and bin Laden issued clearly set that in motion:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
The following text is a fatwa, or declaration of war, by Osama bin Laden
first published in Al Quds Al Arabi, a London-based newspaper, in
August, 1996. The fatwa is entitled "Declaration of War against the
Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."
Destruction of the oil industries. The presence of the USA Crusader
military forces on land, sea and air of the states of the Islamic Gulf
is the greatest danger threatening the largest oil reserve in the world.
The existence of these forces in the area will provoke the people of the
country and induces aggression on their religion, feelings and prides
and push them to take up armed struggle against the invaders occupying
the land; therefore spread of the fighting in the region will expose the
oil wealth to the danger of being burned up. The economic interests of
the States of the Gulf and the land of the two Holy Places will be
damaged and even a greater damage will be caused to the economy of the
world. I would like here to alert my brothers, the Mujahideen, the sons
of the nation, to protect this (oil) wealth and not to include it in the
battle as it is a great Islamic wealth and a large economical power
essential for the soon to be established Islamic state, by Allah's
Permission and Grace. We also warn the aggressors, the USA, against
burning this Islamic wealth (a crime which they may commit in order to
prevent it, at the end of the war, from falling in the hands of its
legitimate owners and to cause economic damages to the competitors of
the USA in Europe or the Far East, particularly Japan which is the major
consumer of the oil of the region).
> Let's face it, the war itself is
> questionable and widely known to be unecessary.
So gas in your tank is "unnecessary" is it Oddsod?
You fucking LIAR!
> I'd have to
> say anyone who has a "horse in this race", is going to be
> severely conflicted if required to take a daily dose of it
> from the inside.
You're a verminous traitor who should be tried and EXECUTED!
> Hardly a wonder some are going to go over
> the edge. They need to address the issues now, and in a
> sane way that comports with the questionableness of the
> effort.
Fuck off, drop dead, you muzzie apologist traitor!
The Wiz
Shared by Democrats and muslims alike.
Curt
Indeed. Along with Republicans, Buddhists, Sikhs, Christians, and
Jews. As a species, we love to murder our fellows.
Curt
Alex DeLarge
How many of those groups issued Fatwas in the past decade?
The Wiz
If we love it so much, why are there "hate crimes?" Because of the PC left.
Barack Hussein Bohica
Yet another islamofascist apologist attempting to deny the glaring
truth.
Barack Hussein Bohica
Killing one, killing a million, killing several million -- all pretty
much the same thing. Just differs in degrees.
Killing in the Name of choice/convenience/irresponsibility is all the
same thing -- a liberal sacrament.
Pa
"Obwon" <Ob...@real.com> wrote in message
news:t8fjf5h13bmqo1jb9...@4ax.com...
The niggahnese in the whitehouse will just stall while more troops die.
Either put enough troops in to do the job or haul ass out!
>
gb
wrote:
And Republicans, Xtians and WingNuts, in various combinations.
Alex DeLarge
> "Obwon" <Ob...@real.com> wrote in message
> news:t8fjf5h13bmqo1jb9...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:42:31 -0700, "Phxbrd"
>> <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> the choice would not be so bitter if there were better
>> justification for the war, and if the war had not been cast
>> in "us against them" terms, with the tapestry of religious
>> fervor behind it all. Let's face it, the war itself is
>> questionable and widely known to be unecessary. I'd have to
>> say anyone who has a "horse in this race", is going to be
>> severely conflicted if required to take a daily dose of it
>> from the inside. Hardly a wonder some are going to go over
>> the edge. They need to address the issues now, and in a
>> sane way that comports with the questionableness of the
>> effort.
>
> The niggahnese in the whitehouse will
He's 1/2 caucasian, deal.
Alex DeLarge
======================================================================================
gb wrote:
dated: 10/8/2009
Sender: g...@amusenet.com
<ubisc5h6ti7g43kg0...@4ax.com>
> You should really find another set of friends. ;)
"Not my friends, clearly. Never used one, and wouldn't. Have
considered, once I'm well into my dotage, taking one of the target
rifles and a Gillie Suit into the woods, and simply offing a bunch of
them as far from anything as is possible.
Society would suffer no great loss thereby, seems to me."
===================================================================================
Curt
> >On Nov 9, 8:08 am, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> It blew me away to hear an army spokesman say they have no idea what the
> >> shooter's motive was! Can't see the trees for the forest?-
>
> >Cause he was nuts, is my guess..
>
> Yet another islamofascist apologist attempting to deny the glaring
> truth.
Yet another inbred hill scoggin desperately trying to simplify his
little world.
Curt
Phxbrd
A truth that involves unvarnished and glaring imperialism that teaches
farmboys to hate all Muslims trying to defend their own countries from
illegal invaders.
Alex DeLarge
just fine...
Alex DeLarge
Same ones who issued this Fatwa?
YOU FUCKING TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
Under such circumstances, to push the enemy-the greatest Kufr- out of
the country is a prime duty. No other duty after Belief is more
important than the duty of had . Utmost effort should be made to prepare
and instigate the Ummah against the enemy, the American-Israeli
alliance- occupying the country of the two Holy Places and the route of
the Apostle (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him) to the
Furthest Mosque (Al-Aqsa Mosque). Also to remind the Muslims not to be
engaged in an internal war among themselves, as that will have grieve
consequences namely:
1-consumption of the Muslims human resources as most casualties and
fatalities will be among the Muslims people.
2-Exhaustion of the economic and financial resources.
3-Destruction of the country infrastructures
4-Dissociation of the society
5-Destruction of the oil industries. The presence of the USA Crusader
Barack Hussein Bohica
How's that completely-blind-to-reality thing working out for you?
From your posts - not very well, it appears.
Barack Hussein Bohica
Go screw your compatriots in Gitmo, Adolf.
Obwon
wrote:
Well, it looks like the jury is coming back with the
verdict. The President is showing cajones! Having studied
the matter an weighed the options, he's now taking charge
and over riding 4 of his advisors.
Look, when it seems one is right, has the correct
information, decides that there's no other option but to
fight, then he fights! But! What happens when he learns
that the information he had was false? No sane person
continues to fight! Okay, so what if we got into their
country on the wings of a mistake? Once there, and the
error is discovered, the only sane thing to do is turn the
country back to the people and leave! To do anything else
says that you had an ulterior motive for being their, thus
you're prohibited from building any trust. And you need
trust to reshape a gov't in any credible way, unless you
are interested in relying only on guns and force.
For example, you wound up in your neighbors living room,
believing he'd been with your wife and you're quite mad.
But, you discover, in mid fight, that you are wrong! So,
you stop fighting and apologize and make ready to leave.
You don't stop and say, "Well, while I'm here, that sofa
would look better against that wall!" So even the "feel"
of the logic Bush was using and is still being used today,
is wrong! No amount of rhetoric can cover over what
everyone expects an honest, if misguided, operator to do.
So everyone watching believes the new gov't is fake, nothing
will convince anyone otherwise. So it comes as no surprise
to the world, that more guns are needed to keep it afloat!
And that's the "playbook" the entire world is using to
measure the effort! As such, no good can come of this
"work".
Clearly things have got to be dramatically changed, or
we'll be in Afghanistan and/or Iraq, either forever, or
until something else gives.
Phxbrd
Everyone here sees that you have no rebuttal, shithead.
Phxbrd
Obama knows full well that our economy is based upon constant warfare, and
has for the last 60 years or so. With the economy in the shape it's in
right now, pulling out of all the nations we've attacked without provocation
would be our death knell. We're between a rock and a hard spot. Of course,
he'd also be blamed for all his predecessors have caused if we finally did
the honorable thing and stopped killing innocent people only defending their
country against armed aggressors.
Curt
Seems to be working for you Just Fine, scoggin.
Curt
Curt
> Phxbrd wrote:
> >news:pi4lf5hu2vth70b07...@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:26:34 -0800 (PST), Curt
> >> <obadiahly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Nov 9, 8:08 am, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> It blew me away to hear an army spokesman say they have no idea what the
> >>>> shooter's motive was! Can't see the trees for the forest?-
> >>> Cause he was nuts, is my guess..
> >> Yet another islamofascist apologist attempting to deny the glaring
> >> truth.
>
> > A truth that involves unvarnished and glaring imperialism that teaches
> > farmboys to hate all Muslims
>
> Same ones who issued this Fatwa?
>
> YOU FUCKING TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
Everyone hates THOSE guys. But hating All Muslims makes no sense at
all. I know Muslims. They aren't setting off car bombs or issuing
fatwas. They're running stores and working as schoolteachers and
stuff.
Curt
Alex DeLarge
> For example, you wound up in your neighbors living room,
> believing he'd been with your wife and you're quite mad.
> But, you discover, in mid fight, that you are wrong! So,
> you stop fighting and apologize and make ready to leave.
Do you have even the slightest clue how barking mad you are, Oddsod?
Seriously, you need treatment.
Alex DeLarge
> "Barack Hussein Bohica" <Charlie...@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
> news:lunnf5darp68h8s0m...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:53:34 -0700, "Phxbrd"
>> <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Barack Hussein Bohica" <Charlie...@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
>>> news:pi4lf5hu2vth70b07...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:26:34 -0800 (PST), Curt
>>>> <obadia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 9, 8:08 am, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It blew me away to hear an army spokesman say they have no idea what
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> shooter's motive was! Can't see the trees for the forest?-
>>>>> Cause he was nuts, is my guess..
>>>> Yet another islamofascist apologist attempting to deny the glaring
>>>> truth.
>>> A truth that involves unvarnished and glaring imperialism that teaches
>>> farmboys to hate all Muslims trying to defend their own countries from
>>> illegal invaders.
>> Go screw your compatriots in Gitmo, Adolf.
>
>
> Everyone here sees that
Say Les, did you ever stop and count the number of subjects you cycle
through here?
And there are less since the Limey trolls got sick of you; no
matter...the repetitive boredom out of your festering piehole amounts to:
~ Hating Israel
~ Hating Sheriff Arpaio
~ Hating Harleys
~ Hating border enforcement
~ Hating queers and trannys
~ Hating D's and R's
~ Hating Christians
~ Hating Mormons
~ Making excuses for Palestinians
~ Calling anyone who disagrees with you a "nasty racist"...
That's IT Les!
That's the sum total of your usenet presence!
How sad, how predictably, boringly, mind-numbingly sad!
Toss in the vitriol you still harbor for your deceased alcoholic wife,
whose ashes you vowed to piss on, and your irrational, all-consuming
hatred for the English and that's the story of YOU!
Need I remind you which word comes up most frequently in this analysis?
Yes...HATE...
That's all you are Les, a seething, roiling sack of hatred.
I honestly pity you, you poor poisoned old git.
Alex DeLarge
Alex DeLarge
>
> Curt
You got the shrubs right this time, dummy.
Yer Pal Al
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:22:03 -0600, "Pa" <he...@mawnpa.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Obwon" <Ob...@real.com> wrote in message
> >news:t8fjf5h13bmqo1jb9...@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:42:31 -0700, "Phxbrd"
> >> <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> the choice would not be so bitter if there were better
> >> justification for the war, and if the war had not been cast
> >> in "us against them" terms, with the tapestry of religious
> >> fervor behind it all. Let's face it, the war itself is
> >> questionable and widely known to be unecessary. I'd have to
> >> say anyone who has a "horse in this race", is going to be
> >> severely conflicted if required to take a daily dose of it
> >> from the inside. Hardly a wonder some are going to go over
> >> the edge. They need to address the issues now, and in a
> >> sane way that comports with the questionableness of the
> >> effort.
>
> >The niggahnese in the whitehouse will just stall while more troops die.
>
> >Either put enough troops in to do the job or haul ass out!
>
> Well, it looks like the jury is coming back with the
> verdict. The President is showing cajones! Having studied
> the matter an weighed the options, he's now taking charge
> and over riding 4 of his advisors.
You have to admire him (at least a little) for putting his ideology
before his desire for a 2nd term.
Barack Hussein Bohica
Indeed, watching you repeatedly soil yourself here does have its
lighter moments.
Barack Hussein Bohica
<lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>"Barack Hussein Bohica" <Charlie...@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
>news:lunnf5darp68h8s0m...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:53:34 -0700, "Phxbrd"
>> <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Barack Hussein Bohica" <Charlie...@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
>>>news:pi4lf5hu2vth70b07...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:26:34 -0800 (PST), Curt
>>>> <obadia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Nov 9, 8:08 am, "Phxbrd" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It blew me away to hear an army spokesman say they have no idea what
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> shooter's motive was! Can't see the trees for the forest?-
>>>>>
>>>>>Cause he was nuts, is my guess..
>>>>
>>>> Yet another islamofascist apologist attempting to deny the glaring
>>>> truth.
>>>
>>>A truth that involves unvarnished and glaring imperialism that teaches
>>>farmboys to hate all Muslims trying to defend their own countries from
>>>illegal invaders.
>>
>> Go screw your compatriots in Gitmo, Adolf.
>
>
>Everyone here sees that you have no rebuttal, shithead.
Adolf is getting pissy. Hide the pigs and Europe...
Obwon
The European economies are pulling out of this recession
first. If I recall, they moved quickly to buy all the
questionable securities "toxic paper", thus saving all of
their financial and other firms from hardship. My guess is
that whom so ever issued that bad paper, expected it to be
in the hands of desperate and failing entities, from which
they could either buy it back on the cheap, or let them
fail and buy it from their "heirs and assigns". It didn't
work out that way. Since the gov't brought the bad paper,
they could vigorously persue the claims the paper evidenced.
That means that the issuers had to either pay up or go
bankrupt, and it seems, that's exactly where Bushs'
"Bailout" program kicked in. The "effort" would have been
to save the institutions responsible for the bad paper, by
giving them the money they needed to pay off the demands the
foreign gov't were making. If Bush hadn't done that, either
his supportive financial institutions would have been in bk
court, and/or Bush would have had to confront these foreign
gov't's personally. We note that banks not well connected
to Bush, were quickly brought out by the bailed out
players, using money the gov't gave them to buy, and at
only cents on the dollar to boot.
Leaving everyone to question why the gov't, if really
interested in saving our August financial institutions,
didn't give the money directly to all of them, instead of
just a few, and then let them buy out those who didn't get
the dollars and failed. There just may be a massive "equal
protection of law" suit there, because it's clear that
gov't is just not supposed to be able to do what Bush did!
If you bail out one then you bail out all! You don't get to
pick and choose with gov't money, but that's exactly what
was done.
But now, with the foreign economies recovering, they're
going to be creating jobs, even while we're still losing
them here. The potential for a "brain drain" looms large,
remembering how America profited so greatly by getting
Germany's best and brightest scientists after the war, a
"brain drain" does not auger well for the U.S. future.
Obama has lots of fences to mend, so his hands are full
already, even without all the investigations that are and
will be required to set matters straight, both with our
selves and with the world. But, if we're going to make any
headway against the headwinds that we're suffering, we're
going to have to restore the American Integrity we once had.
That's our only shield against devolving into a "big dog eat
little dog -- survival of the fittest" style of rule and
attempting to drag the world down with us. I doubt there's
either the stomach or resources left for it anyway. So from
here on out, we're going to have to prove ourselves to be
worthy world citizens all over again.
Alex DeLarge
> The European economies are pulling out of this recession
> first.
Are they?
Alex DeLarge
Are they?
You stupid fuck:
Though the G20 leaders agreed on taking a slew of measures to rescue the
battered global economy, Britain sees no sign of economic recovery in
the country till the year end, UK Chancellor, Alistair Darling, has said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=alWPrqR.kCMc&pos=4
Nov. 13 (Bloomberg) -- International Monetary Fund Managing Director
Dominique Strauss-Kahn said the global economic recovery will take years
and won�t be a one-size-fits-all situation.
Asia will lead the recovery, followed by the U.S. and then Europe, he
said in Singapore today.
> If I recall, they moved quickly to buy all the
> questionable securities "toxic paper", thus saving all of
> their financial and other firms from hardship.
Uh no, they didn't, you dumb lying fuck:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gyOtIOqSQZzrnWLgo4L0sbQtS7ig
BERLIN (AFP) � Germany weighed the fallout Sunday from the failure of
the country's biggest financial rescue in history, after Europe's top
four economic powers pledged a coordinated approach to the credit crunch.
German bank Hypo Real Estate (HRE) dropped the bombshell late Saturday
that a planned 35-billion-euro (48-billion-dollar) rescue fell through
after the banking consortium involved pulled out of the deal.
> My guess is
> that whom so ever issued that bad paper, expected it to be
> in the hands of desperate and failing entities, from which
> they could either buy it back on the cheap, or let them
> fail and buy it from their "heirs and assigns". It didn't
> work out that way. Since the gov't brought the bad paper,
> they could vigorously persue the claims the paper evidenced.
Which govt.?
Which paper?
You stupid TOOL:
Failure to save East Europe will lead to worldwide meltdown
http://www.structuredfinancenews.com/issues/2008_38/186213-1.html
Lehman Brothers' overnight collapse has left a heap of trouble in
Europe, setting off an alarming domino effect. It all happened over a
span of three weeks: what began with the U.S. subprime problem has
evolved into a dilemma of tsunami-like proportions. It has destroyed
some of the most well-established names on Wall Street and taken down a
number of large European firms, such as Fortis Bank, Bradford & Bingley
(B&B) and Dexia.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4172498
I have been saying for over a month the next financial shoe to drop
would be in Europe where the ECB basically buried its head in the sand
that there was a problem. They can blame it on America if they like, but
Europe created its very own over-inflated real estate market (in many
cases more inflated than the US) with cheap loans. The European chickens
are coming home to roost in the next few weeks and it is going to get
uglier.
They may be in even worse shape than we are... Even worse their
economies are tied more closely together, but they lack any executive to
unify them during the crisis...
...Germany weighed the fallout Sunday from the failure of the country's
biggest financial rescue in history, after Europe's top four economic
powers pledged a coordinated approach to the credit crunch.
> That means that the issuers had to either pay up or go
> bankrupt, and it seems, that's exactly where Bushs'
> "Bailout" program kicked in. The "effort" would have been
> to save the institutions responsible for the bad paper, by
> giving them the money they needed to pay off the demands the
> foreign gov't were making. If Bush hadn't done that, either
> his supportive financial institutions would have been in bk
> court, and/or Bush would have had to confront these foreign
> gov't's personally. We note that banks not well connected
> to Bush, were quickly brought out by the bailed out
> players, using money the gov't gave them to buy, and at
> only cents on the dollar to boot.
There are no "banks well connected to Bush" you stammering jackass!
> Leaving everyone to question why the gov't, if really
> interested in saving our August financial institutions,
> didn't give the money directly to all of them, instead of
> just a few,
Because they weren't all in the same level of need nor were they all of
the level of import, you stupid ass-felching freak.
> and then let them buy out those who didn't get
> the dollars and failed. There just may be a massive "equal
> protection of law" suit there, because it's clear that
> gov't is just not supposed to be able to do what Bush did!
Huh?
What did Obama just do, you shitsucking, lying cur?
> If you bail out one then you bail out all! You don't get to
> pick and choose with gov't money,
Actually you do, dumb fuck, deal.
> but that's exactly what
> was done.
Wah!
Stamp your feet and cry, child.
>
> But now, with the foreign economies recovering, they're
> going to be creating jobs, even while we're still losing
> them here.
Do you have a brain?
Can you read
WAKE THE FUCK UP!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=alWPrqR.kCMc&pos=4
Nov. 13 (Bloomberg) -- International Monetary Fund Managing Director
Dominique Strauss-Kahn said the global economic recovery will take years
and won�t be a one-size-fits-all situation.
Asia will lead the recovery, followed by the U.S. and then Europe, he
said in Singapore today.
> The potential for a "brain drain" looms large,
Yes, yours is long gone.
You stupid, pontificating jackass.
Barack Hussein Bohica
Idaho and Alaska should receive billions for hurricane Katrina
recovery, no doubt.
Obwon
Go back and re-read Ayn Rand, you're hunting in the wrong
forest for the game you're seeking.
Alex DeLarge
> Go back and re-read Ayn Rand,
Is that what drove you barking mad?
Sancho Panza
"Phxbrd" <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7m2oasF...@mid.individual.net...
Was Nixon "blamed for all his predecessors have caused"?
Sancho Panza
If one looks at global markets, it's clear that Asia is pulling out of the
recession first, followed by Latin America.
Al
"Sancho Panza" <otter...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
> > first.
>
> If one looks at global markets, it's clear that Asia is pulling out of the
> recession first, followed by Latin America.
The socialist paradise known as Hugoland ain't looking too good. They're
going to share a fork with Cuba. The rotting corpse of of the commons
rots on.
But we can make it work here, yes we can, if we hope enough.
Phxbrd
"Sancho Panza" <otter...@xhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4aff63ce$0$31270$607e...@cv.net...
Relevance?
Barack Hussein Bohica
It was you that made the idiot comment. Man up, boy!
Barack Hussein Bohica
Sancho Panza
"Al" <albert.f...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:P5CdnV3g27noG2LX...@giganews.com...
But Lula, who talks socialist but acts like Clinton, is leading Argentina,
Chile, and even Peru and Ecuador.
Sancho Panza
>>> caused***** if we finally did the honorable thing and stopped killing
>>
>> Was Nixon "blamed for all his predecessors have caused"?
>
>
> Relevance?
The implicit double standard highlighted in the quoted paragraph.
Al
"Sancho Panza" <otter...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
> "Al" <albert.f...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:P5CdnV3g27noG2LX...@giganews.com...
> > In article <4aff642f$0$31264$607e...@cv.net>,
> > "Sancho Panza" <otter...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> > first.
> >>
> >> If one looks at global markets, it's clear that Asia is pulling out of
> >> the
> >> recession first, followed by Latin America.
> >
> > The socialist paradise known as Hugoland ain't looking too good. They're
> > going to share a fork with Cuba. The rotting corpse of of the commons
> > rots on.
> >
> > But we can make it work here, yes we can, if we hope enough.
>
> But Lula, who talks socialist but acts like Clinton, is leading Argentina,
> Chile, and even Peru and Ecuador.
Obama is comfortable in this arena, amongst ideological amigos, but his
amigos are from different neighborhoods than he's used to.
The only thing about Obama that surprised me was the pace of "change", I
thought they would more subtle with the stupid but they exceeded my
expectations.
Phxbrd
Start your own thread if you wish to discuss history instead of the current
administration.
Alex DeLarge
> Start your own thread
Ram an icepick in your eye, cunt.