JIMMY CARTER: Goldstone and Gaza - New York Times
tdny
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Goldstone and Gaza
By Jimmy Carter
November 06, 2009 "New York Times" --
Published: November 5, 2009 --
Judge Richard Goldstone and the United Nations fact-finding
mission on the Gaza conflict have issued a report about Gaza
that is strongly critical of both Israel and Hamas for their
violations of human rights.
On Wednesday,
a special meeting of the U.N. General Assembly
began a debate on whether to refer the report
to the Security Council.
In January 2009 rudimentary rockets had been
launched from Gaza toward nearby Jewish communities,
and Israel had wreaked havoc with bombs, missiles,
and ground invading forces.
Judge Goldstone's claim is
that they are both guilty
of "crimes against humanity."
Predictably, both the accused parties have
denounced the report as biased and inaccurate.
It is good to remember that Judge Goldstone,
from South Africa, is one of the world's most
widely respected jurists, with an impeccable
record of wisdom, honesty and integrity.
He is a devout Jew and has long been known
as a fervent defender of Israel's right to
peace and security.
In April 2008 I personally visited Sderot and Ashkelon,
Israeli communities near enough to have been hit by
rockets fired from within Gaza.
While there,
I condemned these indiscriminate attacks
on civilians as acts of terrorism, and I
consider their condemnation by Judge
Goldstone to be justified.
A year later, after the Israeli attack on Gaza,
I was able to examine the damage done to the
small and heavily populated area,
surrounded by an impenetrable wall,
with its gates tightly controlled.
Knowing of the ability of Israeli forces,
often using U.S. weapons, to strike targets
with pinpoint accuracy, it was difficult to
understand or explain the destruction of hospitals,
schools, prisons, United Nations facilities,
small factories and repair shops,
agricultural processing plants and almost 40,000 homes.
The Goldstone committee examined closely
the cause of deaths of the 1,387 Palestinians
who perished,
and the degree of damage to the various areas.
The conclusion was that the civilian areas
were targeted and the devastation was deliberate.
Again, the criticism of Israel
in the Goldstone report is justified.
He has called on the United States,
Israel and others who dispute the
accuracy of the report to conduct
an independent investigation of their own.
Hamas leaders have announced that
their investigation is under way,
but Israel has rejected Judge
Goldstone's request.
Putting this dispute aside,
it is important to examine present
circumstances and the need to prevent
further suffering.
The rocket fire from Gaza is
now being severely restrained,
perhaps because of the certainty
of Israeli retaliation,
but the punishment of the 1.5 million
Palestinian inhabitants of Gaza continues.
Now and for the past 10 months,
Israel has not permitted cement,
lumber,
panes of glass,
or other building materials to pass
their entry points into Gaza.
Several hundred thousand homeless people
suffered through last winter in a few tents,
under plastic sheets,
or huddled in caves dug into
the debris of their former homes.
The weather was warmer when I
was there several months later,
but the description of suffering
through the winter cold was heartbreaking.
Another winter is now approaching,
and neither the Israelis nor the
international community has taken
steps to alleviate the Gazans' plight.
United Nations agencies and leaders in
the European community have offered to
provide an avenue of channeling funds
and building materials directly to the
people in need,
completely bypassing the Hamas political leaders.
These officials, both in Gaza and in Damascus,
have assured me that they would accept this arrangement.
There would be no chance for the
misuse of such assistance for weapons,
military fortifications, or other
non-humanitarian purposes.
I was informed recently by King Abdullah
of Saudi Arabia that he has pledged $1 billion,
and other Arab leaders have added an additional
$300 million for this purpose.
There is little doubt that other nations would also be generous.
Without ascribing blame to either of the disputing parties,
it is imperative that the United States and the international
community take steps to assure that the rebuilding of Gaza
be commenced, and without delay.
The cries of homeless and freezing people demand relief.
Jimmy Carter was president of the United
States from 1977 to 1981 and is a member
of the Elders.
dsharavi
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> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23911.htm
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> Goldstone and Gaza
> By Jimmy Carter
Goldstone, Gaza, and Carter .... pretty funny.
> November 06, 2009 "New York Times" --
> Published: November 5, 2009 --
>
> Judge Richard Goldstone and the United Nations fact-finding
> mission on the Gaza conflict have issued a report about Gaza
> that is strongly critical of both Israel and Hamas for their
> violations of human rights.
>
> On Wednesday,
> a special meeting of the U.N. General Assembly
> began a debate on whether to refer the report
> to the Security Council.
>
> In January 2009 rudimentary rockets had been
> launched from Gaza toward nearby Jewish communities,
> and Israel had wreaked havoc with bombs, missiles,
> and ground invading forces.
>
> Judge Goldstone's claim is
> that they are both guilty
> of "crimes against humanity."
>
> Predictably, both the accused parties have
> denounced the report as biased and inaccurate.
>
> It is good to remember that Judge Goldstone,
> from South Africa, is one of the world's most
> widely respected jurists, with an impeccable
> record of wisdom, honesty and integrity.
>
> He is a devout Jew
For a "devout Jew", Goldstone's record of awards is surprisingly
lacking in any awards from Jewish groups.
> and has long been known
> as a fervent defender of Israel's right to
> peace and security.
Goldstone is also, according to his daughter Nicole, "a Zionist and
loves Israel."
'Nicole Goldstone, the daughter of Richard Goldstone, whose report on
Operation Cast Lead alleged that Israel committed war crimes in Gaza,
maintained on Wednesday that her father "is a Zionist and loves
Israel."
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> In April 2008 I personally visited Sderot and Ashkelon,
> Israeli communities near enough to have been hit by
> rockets fired from within Gaza.
>
> While there,
> I condemned these indiscriminate attacks
> on civilians as acts of terrorism, and I
> consider their condemnation by Judge
> Goldstone to be justified.
Oh, bullshit.
> A year later, after the Israeli attack on Gaza,
> I was able to examine the damage done to the
> small and heavily populated area,
> surrounded by an impenetrable wall,
> with its gates tightly controlled.
And, predictably, lied about it -- as he lies about Gaza being
"surrounded by an inpenetrable wall".
[flush typical Carter blame-the-Jews crap]
> Jimmy Carter was president of the United
> States from 1977 to 1981 and is a member
> of the Elders.
Elder what? Assholes of the world?
Deborah
last_per...@yahoo.com
Not difficult to understand at all. Hate-riddled ZioNazi
war criminal behavior as usual; long history.
tdny
"dsharavi" <dsha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/opinion/06iht-edcarter.html?_r=1
Well, Debbie, your opinion is in the minority, with respect to former USA
President James Earl Carter.
As you can see, the NYTIMES, the paper of record, publishes his articles.
Your world is shrinking, Debbie.
Those that think like you, are painting themselves into a corner.
All we are asking is that you treat the Palestinians like human beings,
that's it.
DoD
"tdny" <td...@live.com> wrote in message
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> All we are asking is that you treat the Palestinians like human beings,
> that's it.
All we are asking is that they start acting like human beings, that is it..
mirjam
> All we are asking is that you treat the Palestinians like human beings,
>
> - Show quoted text -
And when are the Azza Palestinians who now live in Hamastan , start
behaving in Human ways and at least let Somebody from the Red Cross
See Gilad Shalit ?
Stop teaching their children to Hate ? Use all those International
monies for buying the things they really need , and not Rockets ,, And
last not least , why are more and more Azza women go on the streets
with Covered faces ????
And why could the few Christians there go to Beth Lehem and meet with
the Pope , And Why Couldn`t the Muslims from Azza Go to HAj` in
Mecca , Because their OWn Muslim ruling Party forbade them from
going !!!!
mirjam
tdny
"DoD" <danski...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Palestinians should act like human beings, and I don't have any evidence
that they do not.
However, they are living, in what belongs to them, however they behave.
You're not and that has always been the trouble, from the start.
DoD
>
>
> "DoD" <danski...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hd86g5$gq9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "tdny" <td...@live.com> wrote in message
>> news:LbWdnQAfE9seAWrX...@earthlink.com...
>>
>>> All we are asking is that you treat the Palestinians like human beings,
>>> that's it.
>>
>> All we are asking is that they start acting like human beings, that is
>> it..
>
>
> Palestinians should act like human beings, and I don't have any evidence
> that they do not.
That is because you are a retarded liberal bitch....
tdny
"DoD" <danski...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
Nobody believes your fairy tales anymore.
It used to be, that this story was on the outer edges,
it is now on the editorial page of the NYTIMES.
It's in the mainstream.
USA State Department, is saying that Israel is a racist society,
and goes on to spell it out.
It's not that you isolate the Palestinian people into open air prisons,
it's that Jewish State has zero compassion, for anyone that is not
Jewish, as the USA State Department report outlines in great detail.
DoD
>
>
> "DoD" <danski...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hd86g5$gq9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "tdny" <td...@live.com> wrote in message
>> news:LbWdnQAfE9seAWrX...@earthlink.com...
>>
>>> All we are asking is that you treat the Palestinians like human beings,
>>> that's it.
>>
>> All we are asking is that they start acting like human beings, that is
>> it..
>
>
> Nobody believes your fairy tales anymore.
> It used to be, that this story was on the outer edges,
> it is now on the editorial page of the NYTIMES.
>
> It's in the mainstream.
NY Times? That failing member of the lamestream media?
LOL!!
Don Ocean
What a crock of DuD shit! Go back to blowing the neighbors dog and let
the adults settle this.
>
>
DoD
"Don Ocean" <oc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Tutu on too tight tonight, donna?
Don Ocean
Actually that is what we all say about you. How is the addictions coming
by the way? Lets see now you are addicted to Drugs, Alcohol, Gambling
and some also add Homosexuality to that list along with Welfare deadbeat.
>
>
Don Ocean
Laugh you inbred croatian piece of shit. Do you know who owns the NY
times even. It ain't a Gentile!
>
>
American Eagle
<Yawn> Another Mirjam smoke screen to avoid the grim truth.
DoD
> DoD wrote:
>> "tdny" <td...@live.com> wrote in message
>> news:7p6dneLgyJHgPWrX...@earthlink.com...
>>>
>>> "DoD" <danski...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hd86g5$gq9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> "tdny" <td...@live.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:LbWdnQAfE9seAWrX...@earthlink.com...
>>>>
>>>>> All we are asking is that you treat the Palestinians like human
>>>>> beings, that's it.
>>>> All we are asking is that they start acting like human beings, that is
>>>> it..
>>>
>>> Palestinians should act like human beings, and I don't have any evidence
>>> that they do not.
>>
>> That is because you are a retarded liberal bitch....
>
> Actually that is what we all say about you.
SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH fatass...Shut the fuck up...You are a stupid fucking
fat bastard...nobody cares what you say......Ok??? get it through that fat
tub of shit head of yours...
DoD
SHUT UP, you inbred piece of shit... You are really starting to annoy me.
Don Ocean
Poor old drugged up Dud gets all worked up and just might have a heart
attack. If you don't care, why do you resort with such a vile response?
Dud, you are a pitiful waste of human flesh.
>
>
Don Ocean
So what are you gonna do about it? Cry like the inbred Croatian baby
that you are? Heh! Heh! Rave on Dud... When you come off that drug high,
you won't remember any of this anyway.
>
>
Don Ocean
I didn't know that you wore one. But it figures. Get back to me when you
grow a pair. ;-p
>
>
Al Smith
Why is it that Zionists always have a weasel excuse for why it is OK
for them to do evil?
-Al-
Al Smith
Zionists have zero compassion for anyone who isn't Jewish, and they
don't have a hell of a lot of compassion for Jews who aren't
Zionists, either.
-Al-
cornholio
> "dsharavi" <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Yet the Palesimians have no problems persecuting Christians in
the Gaza Shite, neither do they allow synagogues or Jews at all.
Fuck 'em.
dsharavi
ROTFLOL
Deborah
Fish Supper
ROTFLOL
Deborah
============
Which is the same response a Nazi would have given upon being asked if the
Jews should be treated like human beings.
Ironic, no?
Gary Renzetti
(deborah). Here's a little something from her recipe book that says
volumes about this loathsome creature:
I included a bit of context to put the thing in perspective.
Deborah Sharavi Oct 11 2004, 11:32 pm
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:17:58 +0200,
"Heinrich"<Heinr...@mailgate.org>wrote:
> As usual, you left out the part about the IDF
> eating their palestinian prey after they kill them.
> It's the reason the dead palestinian numbers
> are so low and the missing count is so high.
Nonsense. Pallies haul them away to their top restaurants.
Cider-Braised Palestinian Kid
8 small sage leaves
1 Palestinian Kid (can substitute pork, rattlesnake, or vulture)
2 Tbsp. chicken fat
1 medium onion, chopped coarsely
1 carrot, chopped coarsely
1 small turnip, chopped coarsely
2 cups apple cider or apple juice
1 bouquet garni made by tying together
3 sprigs of parsley, 2 sprigs of thyme and 1/2 bay leaf
1/4 cup parsley, chopped
Divide the sage leaves into equal portions
and dress the kid.
In a large flameproof casserole,
melt the fat over a high flame.
Brown the kid in the melted fat,
and then remove and reduce the flame.
Add the onion, carrot and turnip,
cover and let simmer for an hour.
Place the kid on vegetables and pour on the cider.
Bring to a boil, add the bouquet garni,
cover and transfer to a medium oven for 2 hours.
Remove the kid from the casserole
and set aside to keep warm.
Strain the liquids in the casserole,
pressing down on the vegetables
to squeeze out the liquids.
Place the kid on a warmed serving platter,
pour over some of the juices
and sprinkle with the parsley.
Serve the remaining juices separately.
Serves lots of Pallies.
Deborah
Fish Supper
"Gary Renzetti" <liz...@connection.com> wrote in message
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> Fish Supper wrote:
>>
>> "dsharavi" <dsha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:33a8403c-5d27-465e...@i12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 8, 8:37 pm, "tdny" <t...@live.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Your world is shrinking, Debbie.
>>> Those that think like you, are painting themselves into a corner.
>>>
>>> All we are asking is that you treat the Palestinians like human beings,
>>> that's it.
>>
>> ROTFLOL
>>
>> Deborah
>>
>> ============
>>
>> Which is the same response a Nazi would have given upon being asked if
>> the Jews should be treated like human beings.
>>
>> Ironic, no?
>>
>>
> You are obviously unfamiliar with the unlovely Dungball the Cannibal
> (deborah). Here's a little something from her recipe book that says
> volumes about this loathsome creature:
> I included a bit of context to put the thing in perspective.
>
A proper little charmer, ain't she?
Doesn't surprise me at all though. You find that people like her have to
dehumanise their victims in order to be who they are. Rednecks had their
'niggers', Afrikaaners had their 'Kafirs', robbers have their 'marks'.
Repeat criminals always seek to alleviate their crimes in their own mind by
attempting to minimise the impact of their crime on their victims - and what
better way to do that than by removing the victim's status as a human being?
It's textbook.