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May 14, 2002, 6:25:03 PM5/14/02
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KENNETH KONRAD
9714 99TH AVE
OZONE PARK, NY 11416
(718)843-8118

Ken Konrad, longtime NY Kop, repeatedly blew his testimony
in cases with total fabrications...he was forced to become
an "administrative assistant" (meaning he was entrusted
with handing out paper-clips and Post-its), and finally
getting the hint, he resigned.

Here are examples of his total fabrications.

In nyc.general Ken [NY <bluesgu...@aol.pantscom> wrote:
#
# Police Officer Gray was offered a breathalizer test and took
# it within the two hours required by the courts. The results were ruled
# admissable by the court and was what convicted him along with what the
# cop in charge of the scene witnessed. What is your problem with that?
#
# Also, the breath test was administered by certified
# technicians just like for any other DWI suspect. It would not be fair
# to have someone not certified administer the test. Who would you
# suggest administer it instead of the technicians? Someone who does not
# know anything about it? Maybe a PBA representative? An armchair chief?
# He got the same treatment by the same techies that any other DWI would
# get, which I would think would be fair.

Ken repeatedly claims Officer Gray took a breathalyzer test.

Not so.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/gray_joseph/050202_ctv.html
#
# "The bottom line here is that he spent the entire day drinking
# while his wife and kids were home on a Saturday," McCormick said.
# "This devoted family man spent his day drinking, spending the
# family money and talking to a woman whose name he can't even
# remember."
#
# Gray's lawyer, Levy, tried to portray a more sober picture of
# the officer. He showed jurors a tape made at the 78th Precinct,
# where Gray was brought for a Breathalyzer and coordination test,
# both of which he refused.

When confronted with the reality of the situation, KKKen responded:

KKKen wrote:
# No way I take advice or comments from Tinkerbell.

In other words, he lied and doesn't give a damn.

Gray absolutely refused the test:

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-cop1206.story?coll=ny-top-headlines
#
# Judge Feldman said she would permit prosecutors to include
# evidence that Gray refused to submit to a field sobriety test,
# and that empty beer cans were found in Gray's car.

http://www.tragedyinamerica.com/articlep1071.html
#
# Gray then refused to take a Breathalyzer test.

But KKKen went on and on with his lies:

KKKen wrote:
# Once more, he was offered a breathalizer test pursuant to
# state law and he accepted it. Are you seriously suggesting that a
# nurse be brought to central testing to learn how to calibrate a
# machine she never saw before, administer the test and later testify in
# court as an expert? He would have gotten off easily.

KKKen, making it up as he goes:
# On Mon, 13 May 2002 22:52:34 GMT, mike <moo...@nyc.rr.com>
# ejaculated:
#
# >He was forced to, by a court order.
#
# Wrong, bird brain. Gray was given the offer and accepted it,
# figuring he had nothing to lose. Why do you make all that shit up?

Ken Konrad: disgraced former NY police officer, unrepentant liar, bird brain.

The scum of Usenet.

----

Here is another example of his totally fabricating facts,
bitter about his forced resignation...he is now the
consummate cop-basher:

Ken [NY <bluesgu...@aol.pantscom> wrote:
#
# This is part of Mayor Billionaireburger's campaign to return
# New York City to the days of Dinkins. In the future, look for more
# grafitti, men urinating in public, "doggie surprise" on your shoes,
# etc. Riots will follow as will a rise in muggings. Billionaireburger
# and Kelly will return all the wonderful essences of the good old days
# before Guiliani. Billionaire Bloomberg and Kelly can be
# faulted for all the recent shootings that have occurred - and for that
# matter, every other thing we don't like about NYC during the
# Billionaire's administration. Get used to it, you will see a lot more
# bitching until Billionare Bloomberg and his puppet Kelly step down.
# Bullets Flying in NYC -Courtesy of Bloomberg/Kelly Administration

Isn't this pretty:

KKKen wrote:
#
# JL wrote: >NYPD suck
#
# And they fuck your mother.

Yes, it's cop-basher Ken Konrad - nutjob.

But, hey, he looks so happy, doesn't he?

http://home.nyc.rr.com/cypherpunk/ken.jpg

N'yuck N'yuck N'yuck N'yuck ;-)

LED

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May 14, 2002, 8:03:55 PM5/14/02
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<cyp...@punk.net> wrote in message
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> KENNETH KONRAD
> 9714 99TH AVE
> OZONE PARK, NY 11416
> (718)843-8118
>
> he was forced to become
> an "administrative assistant" (meaning he was entrusted
> with handing out paper-clips and Post-its), and finally
> getting the hint, he resigned.
>

errrr, does this job come with medical?


<<<.......I see the war continues.>>>


mike

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May 14, 2002, 9:16:38 PM5/14/02
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cyp...@punk.net wrote:
>
> KENNETH KONRAD
> 9714 99TH AVE
> OZONE PARK, NY 11416
> (718)843-8118
>
> Ken Konrad, longtime NY Kop, repeatedly blew his testimony
> in cases with total fabrications...he was forced to become
> an "administrative assistant" (meaning he was entrusted
> with handing out paper-clips and Post-its), and finally
> getting the hint, he resigned.
>

kkken kkkonrad upholds "The Big Blue Wall",
or is it his Big Blue Balls?????

kkkenkkkonrad "Deny, Deny, Deny."
kkken did you get this bad advice from your PBA rep?

You have been busted down to lowercase "kkk"
for stupidity, ignorance and arrogance.

Have a nice day.

Ken [NY

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May 15, 2002, 8:51:48 AM5/15/02
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On Tue, 14 May 2002 22:25:03 GMT, cyp...@punk.net ejaculated:

>Ken Konrad: disgraced former NY police officer, unrepentant liar, bird brain.
>
>The scum of Usenet.

Cypherpunta, the Twinkletoes of Usenet speaks on dominant
males mounting other males:

From: cyp...@punk.net (cyp...@punk.net)
Subject: Re: A QUESTIONABLE INDICTMENT
Newsgroups: alt.thebird.copwatch, alt.rush-limbaugh,
alt.law-enforcement, nyc.general
Date: 2002-04-04 19:54:46 PST

In nyc.general Phil <dogg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# Not necessarily. What Volpe did was a very dehumanizing and
demeaning
# act. Could you think of a better way to humiliate a guy? To take
# away his manhood?
#
# Unless you read something I didn't, there was no sexual intent
# involved.

Phil, in the animal kingdom, it is not uncommon for dominant
males to mount other males in the group.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Ken (NY)
Vice Chairman,
Department Of Redundancy Department
____________________________________

No trees were harmed to bring you
this e-Presentation...

EX

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May 15, 2002, 9:02:50 AM5/15/02
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mike <moo...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<3CE1B7D0...@nyc.rr.com>...

> You have been busted down to lowercase "kkk"
> for stupidity, ignorance and arrogance.
>

Coming from one who demonstrates all three with true expertise.

EX

mike

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May 15, 2002, 10:00:21 AM5/15/02
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"Ken [NY" wrote:

> Phil, in the animal kingdom, it is not uncommon for dominant
> males to mount other males in the group.

KKKen, you see to know a lot about animals and sex with them!

Ken [NY

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May 15, 2002, 10:37:36 AM5/15/02
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On Tue, 14 May 2002 22:25:03 GMT, cyp...@punk.net ejaculated:

>Ken Konrad: disgraced former NY police officer, unrepentant liar, bird brain.
>
>The scum of Usenet.

Cypherpunta, the Turd of Usenet speaks on the size of male
genitalia:

>In nyc.general no <pu...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>#
># "Ken [NY]" wrote:
># >
># > Detective Martin Mullen was lunching nearby when he heard the screams.
># >
># > Hen ran toward the noise, and found Shorter standing over the woman.
># > The suspect was wearing three pairs of shorts, and had peeled off the
># > first pair, police said.
>#
># Great to hear some good news for a change.
>
>Yes.
>
>But what was the deal with wearing three pairs of shorts?
>
>Was his unit that big???
>
>Were his balls as big as KKKens?

Ken [NY

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May 15, 2002, 11:27:54 AM5/15/02
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On Tue, 14 May 2002 22:25:03 GMT, cyp...@punk.net ejaculated:

>Ken Konrad: disgraced former NY police officer, unrepentant liar, bird brain.
>
>The scum of Usenet.

Cyphertwink, the maid of Usenet speaks on former mayor's
genitalia:

>Ken [NY <Ken4b...@usa.spam.net> wrote:
># On 01 Jan 2002 13:46:04 GMT, heyyho...@aol.com (Heyyhowyadoin)
># ejaculated:
>#
># >this guy held on til the last second parading both himself and his flaunting
># >his extra marital piece of ass (check out the expression on this babe's
># >face---sort of like a deer caught in the crossfires) in front of all of us.
># >Mayor Mike (who is divorced and has a girlfriend ) had the grace to have his
># >daughter accompany him when he took the oath at Times Sq. Ghouliani just
># >proved what a CAVONE he really is. What a low life pond scum.
>#
># She is Rudy's girl friend, not mistress. They have not slept
># together, unless you have verified information to the contrary.
>
>It's well known Ghouliani is impotent. Radioactive balls.

Ken [NY

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May 15, 2002, 11:40:50 AM5/15/02
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On Tue, 14 May 2002 22:25:03 GMT, cyp...@punk.net ejaculated:

>Ken Konrad: disgraced former NY police officer, unrepentant liar, bird brain.
>
>The scum of Usenet.

Cypherloon, the cutie of Usenet speaks on pink penis outfits:

On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 19:58:21 GMT, cyp...@punk.net blatted:

>Ken [NY <Ken4b...@usa.spam.net> wrote:
># On Sun, 06 Jan 2002 23:39:33 GMT, cyp...@punk.net exclaimed:
>#
># >I'm sure Ken has a sense of humor. ;-)
>#
># Cypher, you are responding to yourself now. Lie down and put a
># cold compress on your forehead...
>
>More like Part A and Part B (da picha).
>
>Ken, that is so daring of you to wear a giant pink penis-rabbit outfit!
>
>I mean, I hear it's sooooo hard to accessorize pink. ;-)

Ken [NY

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May 15, 2002, 5:58:04 PM5/15/02
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On Wed, 15 May 2002 20:16:38 GMT, cyp...@punk.net blatted:

>It's KKKen, 60 years old, going on 6!

You started this personal attack shit both times. Too bad you
don't like the truth.

Steve Furbish

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May 15, 2002, 5:59:18 PM5/15/02
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<cyp...@punk.net> wrote in message
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> KENNETH KONRAD

That's the kind of weak-kneed sissy shit I thought you'd get around to
sooner or later. I guess punk is the proper nickname for you after all?

Steve


LED

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May 15, 2002, 8:41:47 PM5/15/02
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"Steve Furbish" <sfur...@gmx.net> wrote in message
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errrr, Steve, I'd say they're both almost even right about now.....at least
here on nyc.general


Steve Furbish

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May 15, 2002, 10:12:20 PM5/15/02
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"LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote in message
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> errrr, Steve, I'd say they're both almost even right about now.....at
least
> here on nyc.general

I don't see it all unless it's crossposted I guess, but putting up
somebody's address to try and intimidate isn't very manly IMHO.

Steve


LED

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May 15, 2002, 10:36:11 PM5/15/02
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"Steve Furbish" <sfur...@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:8AEE8.23122$sg2.5...@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net...

Cypher hasn't gone as far as posting his own for all to see.......at least
I've never seen it, not that it's possible for me to see.......

I mean, If you don't want people to know then don't put it on the
NET.....that's all.....and well, we all know now what Ken's capable
of.........he's fighting fire with fire, or rather it's the other way
around???...I wouldn't know and to be honest, I neither want to and/or don't
care....


LED

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May 15, 2002, 11:21:15 PM5/15/02
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"Steve Furbish" <sfur...@gmx.net> wrote in message
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I cannot say it for a fact (since I could never prove it), BUT, if Ken DID
have additional info regarding Cypher, then I think I can say without
contradiction that, he would've posted it.......I think it's come to, or
shall I say "been at" that level?......


cyp...@punk.net

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May 16, 2002, 1:39:43 AM5/16/02
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In nyc.general Ken [NY <bluesgu...@aol.pantscom> wrote:
# On Wed, 15 May 2002 20:16:38 GMT, cyp...@punk.net blatted:
#
# >It's KKKen, 60 years old, going on 6!
#
# You started this personal attack shit both times. Too bad you
# don't like the truth.

BWAWAWAWAWA! I can see you jumping up and down,
bawling, "He started it!"

Bzzzt! Wrong on both counts.

Here's the sequence:

o You posted Officer Gray took a breathalyzer test.
o I showed he didn't, gave URL, asked what's up with you.
o You said your incorrect info was fine because the
correct info came from "Tinkerbell".
o You then posted I was interested in "young boys, pedophilia
buggery, sex with animals, butt plugs", and that I should
"Go scope out the local elementary schools for your next victims."
(C'mon, KKKen, burst into tears for us! You'll feel better.)
o I then documented your totally fabricating facts.

And as for it being "the truth", no, you're wrong, Officer Gray
refused a breathalyzer test.

You're a kook.

Aren't you going to claim I have AIDS? ;-)

LED

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May 16, 2002, 1:46:24 AM5/16/02
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<cyp...@punk.net> wrote in message
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OH! That's just Swell!!!!

Next you're gonna tell me how Spiderman ends!

Sure, ruin that movie for me too.

;-)


<<actually I saw it and it ain't worth the hype>>


L.B.

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May 16, 2002, 5:31:27 AM5/16/02
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Ken [NY" wrote:

> Phil, in the animal kingdom, it is not uncommon for dominant
> males to mount other males in the group.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Now Steve and Lenny could tell you a lot about
that subject.
L.B.


Ken [NY

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May 16, 2002, 11:33:54 AM5/16/02
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On Wed, 15 May 2002 14:00:21 GMT, mike <moo...@nyc.rr.com> blatted:

Read it again, doofus. Cypherpuke wrote that so ask him about
sex with animals. Don't you get anything right?

Pagan

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"L.B." <Marsh...@Chartermi.net> wrote in message
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They've been mounting you for years. heh

Pagan


Ken [NY

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May 16, 2002, 11:51:00 AM5/16/02
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On Thu, 16 May 2002 05:39:43 GMT, cyp...@punk.net blatted:

>In nyc.general Ken [NY <bluesgu...@aol.pantscom> wrote:
># On Wed, 15 May 2002 20:16:38 GMT, cyp...@punk.net blatted:
>#
># >It's KKKen, 60 years old, going on 6!
>#
># You started this personal attack shit both times. Too bad you
># don't like the truth.
>
>BWAWAWAWAWA! I can see you jumping up and down,
>bawling, "He started it!"
>
>Bzzzt! Wrong on both counts.
>
>Here's the sequence:
>
> o You posted Officer Gray took a breathalyzer test.

Back up. You started the personal flames complete with posting
my personal information back on June 1st of last year.

"Those aren't shorts. What are they?
Diapers?
What are you wearing, Depends Jogging Diapers[Tm]?
You are one kinky kop, Ken Konrad.
Welcome to the surveillance society you once helped operate."

So you were anti-police back then and still are now despite
your protestations (lies). I never operated any surveillance societies
back then and still don't. But I know a stalker when I see one. Have
you no shame? Plus half the info you posted was incorrect and some was
fabricated. That means lies about me in the same posts you include my
name and address. Can you say "Libel"?.
Y'know, as I said to you back then, I have nothing against gay
people. At least I didn't back then before you began your unilateral
and unproked personal and sex-related attacks while hiding behind your
phoney sig like a sissy. If you are a representative example of a gay
man, no wonder so many straight men can't stand to be around gays. If
I was gay, I would want to slap the shit out of you for the harm you
do to the reputation of the gay community.
Now go stand in the corner. Or go down to the nice coffee shop
on W. 18th St., sit your ass down, and have a cup of espresso while
you contemplate the real reasons for your anger.

Ken [NY

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On Thu, 16 May 2002 03:21:15 GMT, "LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com>
blatted:

>> I don't see it all unless it's crossposted I guess, but putting up
>> somebody's address to try and intimidate isn't very manly IMHO.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>
>I cannot say it for a fact (since I could never prove it), BUT, if Ken DID
>have additional info regarding Cypher, then I think I can say without
>contradiction that, he would've posted it.......I think it's come to, or
>shall I say "been at" that level?......

Wrong, LED. I have enough info as to his home street and place
of employment - enough for an investigation and a civil suit if I go
that far. But I never have posted stuff like he did and never would.
Like Steve says, only a sissy...

d...@cheetah.net

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A taxidermist asked a bereaved customer, who had lost
his two pet hunting dogs to old age, "How would you
like them mounted." The customer pushed aside the
tears and responded, "Oh, just shaking hand would be OK."

DCI

Michael Zarlenga

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May 16, 2002, 4:33:03 PM5/16/02
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In alt.law-enforcement cyp...@punk.net wrote:
: KENNETH K

: Ken Konrad, longtime NY Kop, repeatedly blew his testimony


: in cases with total fabrications...he was forced to become

Ken may have gotten a few things wrong, but he's one of the good
guys here.

--
-- Mike Zarlenga

A good friend will help you move.
A best friend will help you move a body.

Ken [NY

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May 16, 2002, 5:43:03 PM5/16/02
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On Thu, 16 May 2002 19:40:42 GMT, cyp...@punk.net blatted:

>The truth is you haven't the foggiest, nor could you successfully
>sue for libel since the courts would consider this a "pissing contest."
>You would waste thousands of dollars and it would take years...to lose.

You posted my name, address and other information, then in the
same post you outrageously lied about my career with the police
department by use of fabricated and defamatory information. That is
libel, twinkletoes. My professional reputation is valuable to me in
the business world and any lies publically published about it could
cost me money and constitutes libel. You really ought to read up on
the libel laws before you challenge me again.

LED

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May 16, 2002, 6:57:22 PM5/16/02
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"Ken [NY" <bluesgu...@aol.PANTScom> wrote in message
news:3el7euctd3p4v3lhq...@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 16 May 2002 03:21:15 GMT, "LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com>
> blatted:
>
> >> I don't see it all unless it's crossposted I guess, but putting up
> >> somebody's address to try and intimidate isn't very manly IMHO.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I cannot say it for a fact (since I could never prove it), BUT, if Ken
DID
> >have additional info regarding Cypher, then I think I can say without
> >contradiction that, he would've posted it.......I think it's come to, or
> >shall I say "been at" that level?......
>
> Wrong, LED. I have enough info as to his home street and place
> of employment - enough for an investigation and a civil suit if I go
> that far. But I never have posted stuff like he did and never would.
> Like Steve says, only a sissy...
>

'then I suppose all that's left is how you went about obtaining such
information. There'd be a difference betw. getting it straight off the NET
as he did with you (however wrong the info he provided might've been)
.....and getting the information through __________? (you fill in the blank)


cyp...@punk.net

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May 16, 2002, 8:00:56 PM5/16/02
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In nyc.general Ken [NY <bluesgu...@aol.pantscom> wrote:
# On Thu, 16 May 2002 19:40:42 GMT, cyp...@punk.net blatted:
#
# >The truth is you haven't the foggiest, nor could you successfully
# >sue for libel since the courts would consider this a "pissing contest."
# >You would waste thousands of dollars and it would take years...to lose.
#
# You posted my name, address and other information, then in the
# same post you outrageously lied about my career with the police
# department by use of fabricated and defamatory information. That is
# libel, twinkletoes.

Really? Well, the court battle would include getting all
your personnel records and evaluation reports, to see if
you had a reputation to ruin.

There must by a good reason why you worked as a Nassau County
copper for 32 years, and ended up as...let's see, was it 'Captain'?
No...was it 'Lt'? No...was it Detective? No.

It was "administrative assistant". <SNORT!>

And who are you to complain about posting libel?

What's this:

KKKen wrote:
#
# 2. FACT: Governor Bill Clinton (D) raped a young woman

My oh my, you sure are a nutjob.

In fact, you posted that it was okay for you to lie and libel
people because others on Usenet did it.

Way to go, KKKen. Sure, try and sue me. Go ahead. <SNORT>

Your own existing Usenet posts are enough to ruin your reputation,
like, "[NYPD] fuck your mother."

Cop-basher.

----

KKKen wrote:
#
# My professional reputation is valuable to me in the business world
# and any lies publically published about it could cost me money and
# constitutes libel.

I didn't say you couldn't sue, I said it is a guaranteed lost battle.

What professional reputation? How are you known as anything but a nutjob?

# You really ought to read up on the libel laws before you
# challenge me again.

Hey, when are you going to answer the previous challenge about posting
my address and employer, which I give you full permission to do if you
do it now?

Such a silly "threat". You're little people now, just like the rest of us.

Unless you actually went to court (you didn't), you've got nothing.

C'mon, KKKen how hard could it be? My IP address is on every post!

Simply another lie out of the mouth of Ken Konrad.

Ken Konrad: has a deserved reputation as a known liar.

mike

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May 16, 2002, 9:27:15 PM5/16/02
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Michael Zarlenga wrote:
>
> In alt.law-enforcement cyp...@punk.net wrote:
> : KENNETH K
>
> : Ken Konrad, longtime NY Kop, repeatedly blew his testimony
> : in cases with total fabrications...he was forced to become
>
> Ken may have gotten a few things wrong, but he's one of the good
> guys here.
>

"Getting a few things wrong" in KKKen's line of work puts
innocent people in jail.

KKKen is a Kook and a Liar.

mike

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May 16, 2002, 9:28:47 PM5/16/02
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"Ken [NY" wrote:

> You really ought to read up on
> the libel laws before you challenge me again.
>

He kicked your ass, KKKen. Admit it,

Game over.

Pagan

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May 16, 2002, 10:22:14 PM5/16/02
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<cyp...@punk.net> wrote in message
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<snip>
> Zarlenga doesn't seem to realize KKKen's gone kook.
> (I don't see Zarl's posts anymore, I have him plonked
> for "hypocrisy".)

Just when did Zarlenga show hypocrisy?

Pagan


Pagan

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May 16, 2002, 10:23:05 PM5/16/02
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"mike" <moo...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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How does one put anybody in jail when their line of work is being retired?

Pagan


LED

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May 16, 2002, 10:12:40 PM5/16/02
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"Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com> wrote in message
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the original post included the following:

Ken Konrad, longtime NY Kop, repeatedly blew his testimony
in cases with total fabrications...he was forced to become

an "administrative assistant" (meaning he was entrusted
with handing out paper-clips and Post-its), and finally
getting the hint, he resigned.


mike

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cyp...@punk.net wrote:
>
> In nyc.general mike <moo...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> # Michael Zarlenga wrote:
> # > In alt.law-enforcement cyp...@punk.net wrote:
> # > : KENNETH K
> # >
> # > : Ken Konrad, longtime NY Kop, repeatedly blew his testimony
> # > : in cases with total fabrications...he was forced to become
> # >
> # > Ken may have gotten a few things wrong, but he's one of the good
> # > guys here.
> #
> # "Getting a few things wrong" in KKKen's line of work puts
> # innocent people in jail.
> #
> # KKKen is a Kook and a Liar.


>
> Zarlenga doesn't seem to realize KKKen's gone kook.
> (I don't see Zarl's posts anymore, I have him plonked
> for "hypocrisy".)
>

> KKKen didn't simply get a fact wrong.

He thought he was "testilying" before a Grand Jury! heheheee....

mike

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KKKen was a cop, but you KNEW that.

OK, just this once, just for you.... "in KKKen's FORMER line of work"

Satisfied, Pagan?

Pagan

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"mike" <moo...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Pagan wrote:
> >
> > "mike" <moo...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:3CE45D56...@nyc.rr.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael Zarlenga wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In alt.law-enforcement cyp...@punk.net wrote:
> > > > : KENNETH K
> > > >
> > > > : Ken Konrad, longtime NY Kop, repeatedly blew his testimony
> > > > : in cases with total fabrications...he was forced to become
> > > >
> > > > Ken may have gotten a few things wrong, but he's one of the good
> > > > guys here.
> > > >
> > >
> > > "Getting a few things wrong" in KKKen's line of work puts
> > > innocent people in jail.
> >
> > How does one put anybody in jail when their line of work is being
retired?
> >
>
> KKKen was a cop, but you KNEW that.

I did. But, if we're going to be bashing folks for "getting a few things
wrong", I'm sure you can appreciate having that pointed out.

> OK, just this once, just for you.... "in KKKen's FORMER line of work"
>
> Satisfied, Pagan?

Very.

Quick reply, by the way.

Pagan


LED

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May 16, 2002, 10:34:32 PM5/16/02
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"Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com> wrote in message
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> "mike" <moo...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:3CE4679E...@nyc.rr.com...
> >

> > OK, just this once, just for you.... "in KKKen's FORMER line of work"


> >
> > Satisfied, Pagan?
>
> Very.
>
> Quick reply, by the way.
>

mike's the speedy Gonzalez of nyc.general

LED

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<cyp...@punk.net> wrote in message
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> In nyc.general LED <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote:
> #
> # 'then I suppose all that's left is how you went about obtaining such
> # information. There'd be a difference betw. getting it straight off the
NET
> # as he did with you
>
> http://411.com, http://whitepages.com

>
> (however wrong the info he provided might've been)
>
> Like what?

Oh I don't give a flying rat's ass what his address is, and I frankly don't
care whether you got it right or not.....but I myself have done searches on
the NET for my own name and found stuff that was ages old......

anyhow, I hope you understand what I was getting at with my post......you
do, don't you?


mike

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May 16, 2002, 11:01:23 PM5/16/02
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Sooner the better.

LED

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<cyp...@punk.net> wrote in message
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> In nyc.general LED <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote:
> # <cyp...@punk.net> wrote:

> # > In nyc.general LED <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote:
> # > #
> # > # 'then I suppose all that's left is how you went about obtaining
such
> # > # information. There'd be a difference betw. getting it straight
off the
> # NET
> # > # as he did with you
> # >
> # > http://411.com, http://whitepages.com
> # >
> # > (however wrong the info he provided might've been)
> # >
> # > Like what?
> #
> # Oh I don't give a flying rat's ass what his address is, and I frankly
don't
> # care whether you got it right or not.....but I myself have done
searches on
> # the NET for my own name and found stuff that was ages old......
> #
> # anyhow, I hope you understand what I was getting at with my
post......you
> # do, don't you?
>
> No.

I'm not spelling it out......


LED

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<cyp...@punk.net> wrote in message
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> In nyc.general LED <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote:
> #
> # I'm not spelling it out......
>
> That bad, eh?
>
> Hey, how about that Travis Phal guy who blew in and out of here?
>
> A real whirlwind...

Who? huh? never noticed......I only notice you Cypher.....

No I'm not shitting you, you're my favorite turd.

;-)


Google

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May 17, 2002, 2:56:47 AM5/17/02
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Cyberpunk I have one question. How do you know that the person who
posts here as "Ken" is the same person you allegedly have info on?


cyp...@punk.net wrote in message news:<39gE8.15791$Db5.5...@typhoon.nyc.rr.com>...
> KENNETH KONRAD
> 9714 99TH AVE
> OZONE PARK, NY 11416
> (718)843-8118


>
> Ken Konrad, longtime NY Kop, repeatedly blew his testimony
> in cases with total fabrications...he was forced to become

> an "administrative assistant" (meaning he was entrusted
> with handing out paper-clips and Post-its), and finally
> getting the hint, he resigned.
>

> Here are examples of his total fabrications.


>
> In nyc.general Ken [NY <bluesgu...@aol.pantscom> wrote:
> #

> # Police Officer Gray was offered a breathalizer test and took
> # it within the two hours required by the courts. The results were ruled
> # admissable by the court and was what convicted him along with what the
> # cop in charge of the scene witnessed. What is your problem with that?
> #
> # Also, the breath test was administered by certified
> # technicians just like for any other DWI suspect. It would not be fair
> # to have someone not certified administer the test. Who would you
> # suggest administer it instead of the technicians? Someone who does not
> # know anything about it? Maybe a PBA representative? An armchair chief?
> # He got the same treatment by the same techies that any other DWI would
> # get, which I would think would be fair.
>
> Ken repeatedly claims Officer Gray took a breathalyzer test.
>
> Not so.
>
> http://www.courttv.com/trials/gray_joseph/050202_ctv.html
> #
> # "The bottom line here is that he spent the entire day drinking
> # while his wife and kids were home on a Saturday," McCormick said.
> # "This devoted family man spent his day drinking, spending the
> # family money and talking to a woman whose name he can't even
> # remember."
> #
> # Gray's lawyer, Levy, tried to portray a more sober picture of
> # the officer. He showed jurors a tape made at the 78th Precinct,
> # where Gray was brought for a Breathalyzer and coordination test,
> # both of which he refused.
>
> When confronted with the reality of the situation, KKKen responded:
>
> KKKen wrote:
> # No way I take advice or comments from Tinkerbell.
>
> In other words, he lied and doesn't give a damn.
>
> Gray absolutely refused the test:
>
> http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-cop1206.story?coll=ny-top-headlines
> #
> # Judge Feldman said she would permit prosecutors to include
> # evidence that Gray refused to submit to a field sobriety test,
> # and that empty beer cans were found in Gray's car.
>
> http://www.tragedyinamerica.com/articlep1071.html
> #
> # Gray then refused to take a Breathalyzer test.
>
> But KKKen went on and on with his lies:
>
> KKKen wrote:
> # Once more, he was offered a breathalizer test pursuant to
> # state law and he accepted it. Are you seriously suggesting that a
> # nurse be brought to central testing to learn how to calibrate a
> # machine she never saw before, administer the test and later testify in
> # court as an expert? He would have gotten off easily.
>
> KKKen, making it up as he goes:
> # On Mon, 13 May 2002 22:52:34 GMT, mike <moo...@nyc.rr.com>
> # ejaculated:
> #
> # >He was forced to, by a court order.
> #
> # Wrong, bird brain. Gray was given the offer and accepted it,
> # figuring he had nothing to lose. Why do you make all that shit up?
>
> Ken Konrad: disgraced former NY police officer, unrepentant liar, bird brain.
>
> The scum of Usenet.
>
> ----
>
> Here is another example of his totally fabricating facts,
> bitter about his forced resignation...he is now the
> consummate cop-basher:


>
> Ken [NY <bluesgu...@aol.pantscom> wrote:
> #

> # This is part of Mayor Billionaireburger's campaign to return
> # New York City to the days of Dinkins. In the future, look for more
> # grafitti, men urinating in public, "doggie surprise" on your shoes,
> # etc. Riots will follow as will a rise in muggings. Billionaireburger
> # and Kelly will return all the wonderful essences of the good old days
> # before Guiliani. Billionaire Bloomberg and Kelly can be
> # faulted for all the recent shootings that have occurred - and for that
> # matter, every other thing we don't like about NYC during the
> # Billionaire's administration. Get used to it, you will see a lot more
> # bitching until Billionare Bloomberg and his puppet Kelly step down.
> # Bullets Flying in NYC -Courtesy of Bloomberg/Kelly Administration
>
> Isn't this pretty:
>
> KKKen wrote:
> #
> # JL wrote: >NYPD suck
> #
> # And they fuck your mother.
>
> Yes, it's cop-basher Ken Konrad - nutjob.
>
> But, hey, he looks so happy, doesn't he?
>
> http://home.nyc.rr.com/cypherpunk/ken.jpg
>
> N'yuck N'yuck N'yuck N'yuck ;-)

L.B.

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Cyberpunk:
I wouldn't be accusing Ken NY of being the same guy
that you speak of. There are a lot of Kens you know.
Even though Ken NY likes Furbish, it doesn't mean
he was that kind of cop. I don't think Ken is all
that bad a guy.
L.B.


Michael Zarlenga

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In alt.law-enforcement cyp...@punk.net wrote:
: Zarlenga doesn't seem to realize KKKen's gone kook.

: (I don't see Zarl's posts anymore, I have him plonked
: for "hypocrisy".)

I see Ken's posts and don't see where he's gone "kook."

Show me.

Michael Zarlenga

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In alt.law-enforcement Pagan <anti...@linkline.com> wrote:
:> Zarlenga doesn't seem to realize KKKen's gone kook.

:> (I don't see Zarl's posts anymore, I have him plonked
:> for "hypocrisy".)

: Just when did Zarlenga show hypocrisy?

Apparently, when I didn't chime in on the bashing of Ken.

Michael Zarlenga

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In alt.law-enforcement LED <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote:
: Oh I don't give a flying rat's ass what his address is, and I frankly don't

: care whether you got it right or not.....but I myself have done searches on
: the NET for my own name and found stuff that was ages old......

I'm still listed at the place I was at 3 moves ago.

Steve Furbish

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"Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com> wrote in message
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> "L.B." <Marsh...@Chartermi.net> wrote in message
> news:ue6v7q2...@corp.supernews.com...
> > Ken [NY" wrote:
> >
> > > Phil, in the animal kingdom, it is not uncommon for dominant
> > > males to mount other males in the group.
> > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
> > Now Steve and Lenny could tell you a lot about
> > that subject.
> > L.B.
>
> They've been mounting you for years. heh
>
> Pagan

Metaphorically, of course... ;-)

Steve


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"Google" <fuzzb...@privacy.nu> wrote in message
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> Cyberpunk I have one question. How do you know that the person who
> posts here as "Ken" is the same person you allegedly have info on?

He/She/It doesn't. There's no way any of us could be absolutely sure who the
actual author of any of the posts we see here might be.

Steve


cyp...@punk.net

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Please don't needlessly repeat an entire post, or top-post.

In nyc.general Google <fuzzb...@privacy.nu> wrote:
# Cyberpunk I have one question. How do you know that the person who
# posts here as "Ken" is the same person you allegedly have info on?

You mean besides him admitting it?

The original traffic analysis was:

On Ken's page http://members.aol.com/roadkill2/bio.htm with its gradient
background is a link to him in a Superman costume, with the text "doitall".

On this page with a gradient background, he repeats that phrase:

http://members.aol.com/kendoitall

And says "Copyright Ken Konrad".

On this page: http://www.magnets.com/lists/primehost-l/msg00306.html
under the aol luser name of KenDoitAll:

# Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:16:30 EST
# From: Ken Konrad <KenDo...@aol.com>
# Subject: Re: HOSTING Digest - 27 Jan 1998 to 30 Jan 1998
#
# In a message dated 1/30/98 9:48:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
# LIST...@SERVICES.WEB.AOL.COM (Automatic digest processor) writes:
#
# > 1, Yes you can use backgrounds for tables, but this is a Microsoft thing,
# > > Netscape will ignore it, would be a lot easier to use DHTML which IE4 and NN4
# > > both support, images and text can be put on the screen in any position you
# > > wish using the <style position=> tag. More info at http:/www.w3c.org.
# Actually, Netscape 4+ does read the background tag.
#
# Ken Konrad

cyp...@punk.net

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May 17, 2002, 11:33:01 AM5/17/02
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In nyc.general Steve Furbish <sfur...@gmx.net> wrote:
# "Google" <fuzzb...@privacy.nu> wrote:
# > Cyberpunk I have one question. How do you know that the person who
# > posts here as "Ken" is the same person you allegedly have info on?
#
# There's no way any of us could be absolutely sure who the
# actual author of any of the posts we see here might be.

Ken Konrad has posted I have defamed/libeled him and he might sue.

He can't sue if it's not his name.

In nyc.general L.B. <Marsh...@chartermi.net> wrote:
# Cyberpunk:
# I don't think Ken is all that bad a guy.

I do, and I've posted in this thread why.

BTW, 'Cyberpunk' is something completely different than CypherPunk.

Steve Furbish

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<cyp...@punk.net> wrote in message
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> In nyc.general Steve Furbish <sfur...@gmx.net> wrote:
> # "Google" <fuzzb...@privacy.nu> wrote:
> # > Cyberpunk I have one question. How do you know that the person who
> # > posts here as "Ken" is the same person you allegedly have info on?
> #
> # There's no way any of us could be absolutely sure who the
> # actual author of any of the posts we see here might be.
>
> Ken Konrad has posted I have defamed/libeled him and he might sue.
>
> He can't sue if it's not his name.

When the dust and the posturing settles I would be interested to learn who
has actually sued whom... ;-)


> In nyc.general L.B. <Marsh...@chartermi.net> wrote:
> # Cyberpunk:
> # I don't think Ken is all that bad a guy.
>
> I do, and I've posted in this thread why.
>
> BTW, 'Cyberpunk' is something completely different than CypherPunk.

Larry is just looking for a date. He's misguided and probably at great risk
of exposure to some really nasty social diseases so it's best to ignore him
and let those with the proper training and equipment deal with him. ;-)

Steve


LED

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"Michael Zarlenga" <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote in message
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haha, I just checked, and I don't exist anymore,

maybe I should try my other identities..... (I never said that....anyhow, it
pays to be paranoid sometimes)

;-)


Phil

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"LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote in message news:<ffDE8.25014$Vm2.9...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> "Steve Furbish" <sfur...@gmx.net> wrote in message
> news:WSAE8.22719$sg2.5...@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net...
> >
> > <cyp...@punk.net> wrote in message
> > news:39gE8.15791$Db5.5...@typhoon.nyc.rr.com...
> > > KENNETH KONRAD
> >
> > That's the kind of weak-kneed sissy shit I thought you'd get around to
> > sooner or later. I guess punk is the proper nickname for you after all?
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
>
> errrr, Steve, I'd say they're both almost even right about now.....at least
> here on nyc.general

There's absolutely no reason to post someone's personal information in
a newsgroup. This is just chickenshit, pure and simple.


Phil
========
visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website:
http://www.pipeline.com/~dogglebe/nychg.html

mike

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Michael Zarlenga wrote:
>
> In alt.law-enforcement cyp...@punk.net wrote:
> : Zarlenga doesn't seem to realize KKKen's gone kook.
> : (I don't see Zarl's posts anymore, I have him plonked
> : for "hypocrisy".)
>
> I see Ken's posts and don't see where he's gone "kook."
>
> Show me.

Show yourself and look back on his posts in the Drunk Cop
thread.

Ken [NY

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On Fri, 17 May 2002 00:00:56 GMT, cyp...@punk.net blatted:

>In nyc.general Ken [NY <bluesgu...@aol.pantscom> wrote:

># On Thu, 16 May 2002 19:40:42 GMT, cyp...@punk.net blatted:
>#
># >The truth is you haven't the foggiest, nor could you successfully
># >sue for libel since the courts would consider this a "pissing contest."
># >You would waste thousands of dollars and it would take years...to lose.
>#
># You posted my name, address and other information, then in the
># same post you outrageously lied about my career with the police
># department by use of fabricated and defamatory information. That is
># libel, twinkletoes.
>
>Really? Well, the court battle would include getting all
>your personnel records and evaluation reports, to see if
>you had a reputation to ruin.

All neatly filed in the Commissioner's office and available
upon subpeona.

>There must by a good reason why you worked as a Nassau County
>copper for 32 years, and ended up as...let's see, was it 'Captain'?
>No...was it 'Lt'? No...was it Detective? No.
>
>It was "administrative assistant". <SNORT!>

Wrong again. Administrative Officer.

>And who are you to complain about posting libel?
>
>What's this:
>
>KKKen wrote:
>#
># 2. FACT: Governor Bill Clinton (D) raped a young woman
>
>My oh my, you sure are a nutjob.

AN OPEN LETTER TO HILLARY CLINTON
BY JUANITA BROADDRICK
'DO YOU REMEMBER?'
SUNDAY OCT 15, 2000

As I watched Rick Lazio's interview on Fox News this morning, I felt
compelled to write this open letter to you, Mrs. Clinton. Brit Hume
asked Mr. Lazio's views regarding you as a person and how he perceived
you as a candidate. Rick Lazio did not answer the question, but I know
that I can. You know it, too.

I have no doubt that you are the same conniving, self-serving person
you were twenty-two years ago when I had the misfortune to meet you.
When I see you on television, campaigning for the New York senate
race, I can see the same hypocrisy in your face that you displayed to
me one evening in 1978. You have not changed.

I remember it as though it was yesterday. I only wish that it were
yesterday and maybe there would still be time to do something about
what your husband, Bill Clinton, did to me. There was a political
rally for Mr. Clinton's bid for governor of Arkansas. I had obligated
myself to be at this rally prior to my being assaulted by your husband
in April, 1978. I had made up my mind to make an appearance and then
leave as soon as the two of you arrived. This was a big mistake, but I
was still in a state of shock and denial. You had questioned the
gentleman who drove you and Mr. Clinton from the airport. You asked
him about me and if I would be at the gathering. Do you remember? You
told the driver, "Bill has talked so much about Juanita", and that you
were so anxious to meet me. Well, you wasted no time. As soon as you
entered the room, you came directly to me and grabbed my hand. Do you
remember how you thanked me, saying "we want to thank you for
everything that you do for Bill". At that point, I was pretty shaken
and started to walk off. Remember how you kept a tight grip on my hand
and drew closer to me? You repeated your statement, but this time with
a coldness and look that I have seen many times on television in the
last eight years. You said, "Everything you do for Bill". You then
released your grip and I said nothing and left the gathering.

What did you mean, Hillary? Were you referring to my keeping quiet
about the assault I had suffered at the hands of your husband only two
weeks before? Were you warning me to continue to keep quiet? We both
know the answer to that question.

Yes, I can answer Brit Hume's question. You are the same Hillary that
you were twenty years ago. You are cold, calculating and self-serving.
You cannot tolerate the thought that you will soon be without the
power you have wielded for the last eight years. Your effort to stay
in power will be at the expense of the state of New York. I only hope
the voters of New York will wake up in time and realize that Hillary
Clinton is not an honorable or an honest person.

I will end by asking if you believe the statements I made on NBC
Dateline when Lisa Myers asked if I had been assaulted and raped by
your husband? Or perhaps, you are like Vice-President Gore and did not
see the interview.

Juanita Broaddrick
Arkansas

1978

April 25, 1978 Juanita Broaddrick, the operator of an Arkansas
nursing home, will later state in a nationally-broadcast interview on
NBC that the following events occurred today:
Broaddrick, then a registered nurse who had started a nursing home in
Van Buren, Arkansas, says she met state Attorney General Bill Clinton
for the first time earlier in 1978 when Clinton made a campaign stop
at the nursing home.
According to Broaddrick, Clinton invited her to "please stop by our
campaign office" on her next visit to Little Rock.
Broaddrick will say she called Clinton's campaign office when she
arrived in Little Rock for a nursing administrators' conference and
was given the phone number of his apartment. At first, she will say,
he offered to meet her at the hotel coffee shop, but then suggested he
come to her room because there were reporters in the coffee shop.
Broaddrick will say she felt no danger when she let Clinton into her
Little Rock hotel room. But she says once Clinton was in the room, he
forced himself on her even though she rejected his advances by pushing
him away and saying "no."
Broaddrick will say, "I first pushed him away and just told him, No,
please don't do that ... I said, I'm married, and I have other things
going on in my life, and this is something that I'm not interested
in."
She will tell NBC's Lisa Myers, "...I tried to get away from him and I
told him, No, that I didn't want this to happen, but he wouldn't
listen to me."
Broaddrick will be asked: "You're saying that Bill Clinton sexually
assaulted you, that he raped you?" "Yes," she will answer.
"It was a real panicky, panicky situation," Broaddrick will tell
Myers. "I was even to the point where I was getting very noisy, you
know, yelling, to -- you know -- to please stop. But that's when he
would press down on my right shoulder and he would bite on my lip."
MYERS: You're saying that Bill Clinton sexually assaulted you, that he
raped?
Ms. BROADDRICK: Yes.
MYERS: And you have no--there's no doubt in your mind that that's what
happened?
Ms. BROADDRICK: No doubt whatsoever.

Broaddrick will say she didn't report the alleged incident at the time
because she didn't think she would be believed. Since Clinton was the
attorney general of Arkansas at the time, "I didn't think anyone would
believe me in the world," she will say.
She will state that she went to a fund-raising event for Clinton weeks
after the alleged assault. "I think I was still in denial," she will
say. "And I still felt very guilty at that time that it was my fault
by letting him come to the room."
Broaddrick will tell NBC nobody tried to intimidate her to remain
silent and no one paid her to keep quiet or to speak out.
She will say she filed an affidavit in the Jones case denying she'd
had any unwelcome advances from Clinton because she was unwilling to
tell her story at that time.
"I just couldn't hold it inside any longer," Broaddrick wll say in
trying to explain why she is finally coming forward with her account.
She will say she didn't want her granddaughters and nieces asking her,
"Why didn't you tell what this man did to you?" Broaddrick will say,
"... I don't want to do anything. I do not have an agenda. I want to
put all these rumors to rest."

Broaddrick with Clinton in 1978

Spring, 1978 Matt Drudge will later report on a campaign fundraiser
at which Juanita Broaddrick met Hillary Clinton:
"It happened at a political rally, in Van Buren, Arkansas in the
spring of 1978, at the home of local dentist," Broaddrick begins.
"She [Hillary] came directly to me as soon as she hit the door. I had
been there only a few minutes, I only wanted to make an appearance and
leave. She caught me and took my hand and said 'I am so happy to meet
you. I want you to know that we appreciate everything you do for
Bill.'"
Broaddrick was stunned by Hillary's comments.
Only weeks had passed, Broaddrick claims, since she had been raped in
a Little Rock hotel room by then attorney general Bill Clinton.
"Here her husband had just done this to me, and she was coming up to
thank me? It was scary... I started to turn away and she held onto my
hand and reiterated her phrase -- looking less friendly and repeated
her statement----'Everything you do for Bill'. I said nothing. She
wasn't letting me get away until she made her point. She talked low,
the smile faded on the second thank you. I just released her hand from
mine and left the gathering."
"I was in state of shock... nausea went all over me... You know, I
should not have gone to that political gathering, but I think I was in
denial at the time. I actually became physically ill. I went outside
and told my first husband I had to go home."
Broaddrick says that while Hillary was quick to approach her, Bill
Clinton stayed on the other side of the crowded room.
"He never spoke or came near me," Broaddrick recalls.
Broaddrick, who had been a 'Clinton for governor' campaigner, says
that one of her friends had driven the Clintons to the rally from the
airport that day -- and the topic of conversation throughout the ride
was Broaddrick!
"Hillary knew something---- I just don't know what exactly. For years,
I thought she knew what had happened to me, but now I just don't
know."
http://martinfierro.tripod.com/1978.html


>Hey, when are you going to answer the previous challenge about posting
>my address and employer, which I give you full permission to do if you
>do it now?

I don't know your name and full address. And that kind of
horseshit is what sissies do. I also like the cowardly way you issue a
challenge you know I had no intention of taking up, as I previously
wrote in a response to LED.
Grow up.

Ken (NY)
Vice Chairman,
Department Of Redundancy Department
____________________________________

No trees were harmed to bring you
this e-Presentation...

mike

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cyp...@punk.net wrote:
>
> In nyc.general Steve Furbish <sfur...@gmx.net> wrote:
> # "Google" <fuzzb...@privacy.nu> wrote:
> # > Cyberpunk I have one question. How do you know that the person who
> # > posts here as "Ken" is the same person you allegedly have info on?
> #
> # There's no way any of us could be absolutely sure who the
> # actual author of any of the posts we see here might be.
>
> Ken Konrad has posted I have defamed/libeled him and he might sue.
>
> He can't sue if it's not his name.

He would have to PAY a lawyer, he just can't whine to the PBA this time.

Ken [NY

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On Thu, 16 May 2002 22:57:22 GMT, "LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com>
blatted:

>> >I cannot say it for a fact (since I could never prove it), BUT, if Ken
>DID
>> >have additional info regarding Cypher, then I think I can say without
>> >contradiction that, he would've posted it.......I think it's come to, or
>> >shall I say "been at" that level?......
>>
>> Wrong, LED. I have enough info as to his home street and place
>> of employment - enough for an investigation and a civil suit if I go
>> that far. But I never have posted stuff like he did and never would.
>> Like Steve says, only a sissy...


>>
>
>'then I suppose all that's left is how you went about obtaining such

>information. There'd be a difference betw. getting it straight off the NET
>as he did with you (however wrong the info he provided might've been)
>.....and getting the information through __________? (you fill in the blank)
>

It came from published sources including his own usenet posts.
He isn't as smart as he thinks he is. (What an understatement.) But
tell me, what's the difference since I already stated that I would
never stoop so low as to post anyone's personal information no matter
how I got it.
Now since you appear to to be assuming a neutral stance in all
this, perhaps you could explain to me how you assumed I would post
that sort of information. I never have done anything like that, even
though others including OFR have posted similar info about me. I am
not the pansy here, remember? He is the one posting links to pictures
of me with a huge penis attached.

cyp...@punk.net

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May 17, 2002, 5:12:04 PM5/17/02
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In nyc.general mike <moo...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
# cyp...@punk.net wrote:
# >
# > In nyc.general Steve Furbish <sfur...@gmx.net> wrote:
# > # "Google" <fuzzb...@privacy.nu> wrote:
# > # > Cyberpunk I have one question. How do you know that the person who
# > # > posts here as "Ken" is the same person you allegedly have info on?

# > #
# > # There's no way any of us could be absolutely sure who the
# > # actual author of any of the posts we see here might be.
# >
# > Ken Konrad has posted I have defamed/libeled him and he might sue.
# >
# > He can't sue if it's not his name.
#
# He would have to PAY a lawyer, he just can't whine to the PBA this time.

And that would mean explaining the whole thing to his wife. ;-)

She would gag on some of the things he has said.

"[NYPD] fuck your mother." ---Ken Konrad

cyp...@punk.net

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May 17, 2002, 5:48:27 PM5/17/02
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Ken Konrad wrote:
# cyp...@punk.net wrote:
#
# >Really? Well, the court battle would include getting all
# >your personnel records and evaluation reports, to see if
# >you had a reputation to ruin.
#
# All neatly filed in the Commissioner's office and available
# upon subpeona.

Gee, I wonder what the story is, why you never made the grade.

#
# >There must by a good reason why you worked as a Nassau County
# >copper for 32 years, and ended up as...let's see, was it 'Captain'?
# >No...was it 'Lt'? No...was it Detective? No.
# >
# >It was "administrative assistant". <SNORT!>
#
# Wrong again. Administrative Officer.

KKKen, you have no idea how funny you are
while posting with your panties in a bunch!

So, what does "Bureaucratic Officer" do?

You were called upon with all your years of experience to do...?

----

Ken Konrad wrote:
# cyp...@punk.net wrote:
#

# >And who are you to complain about posting libel?
# >
# >What's this:
# >
# >KKKen wrote:
# >#


# ># 2. FACT: Governor Bill Clinton (D) raped a young woman

# >
# >My oh my, you sure are a nutjob.
#
# AN OPEN LETTER TO HILLARY CLINTON
# BY JUANITA BROADDRICK
# 'DO YOU REMEMBER?'
# SUNDAY OCT 15, 2000
[snip]

Whoooey, KKKen! Youz are a blimp of hot air!

This may come as a shock to you, but it's still libel.

Libel isn't dependent on whether or not you believe it's true.

Ain't life a bitch?

----

Ken Konrad wrote:
# cyp...@punk.net wrote:
#

# >Hey, when are you going to answer the previous challenge about posting
# >my address and employer, which I give you full permission to do if you
# >do it now?
#
# I don't know your name and full address.

Nor employer.

# And that kind of horseshit is what sissies do. I also like
# the cowardly way you issue a challenge you know I had no
# intention of taking up, as I previously wrote in a response
# to LED.

After you made the claim to me, that is.

And it could no longer be said you'd be a "sissy", because I
explicitly indemnified you: it had become a call-your-bluff deal.

What you fail to address with your explanation why you never
had any intention of releasing the information, yet made the
claim. And you are pretty much admitting you don't have the info.

That you would have such information before going to court is
superfluous to being able to file a lawsuit...like I said,
my IP is on every post.

So, why say it?

Why, because you are world-class lame.

I hurt your wittle feelins. Boo hoo hoo.

KKKen, the 60-year-old going on six.

You need to get a life beyond calling Chelsea the "Clinton's Dog."

I find your posts more disgusting than cop-basher posts.

And oh, you do that too to Kelly/NYPD.

----

http://home.nyc.rr.com/cypherpunk/ken.jpg

KKKen wrote:
#
# He is the one posting links to pictures
# of me with a huge penis attached.

Here is the reason for the picture: you are a huge prick.

A sample prick message of yours is added to the jpg.

----

In nyc.general Phil <dogg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# There's absolutely no reason to post someone's personal information in
# a newsgroup. This is just chickenshit, pure and simple.

He went kook.

KKKen says he's concerned about his reputation.

Putting that info there is like pointing at him.

Hoping he'd read the post, and decide to reform.

Whether or not you agree with this explanation is irrelevant. ;-)

KKKen owes Mike an apology.

mike

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May 17, 2002, 5:50:08 PM5/17/02
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cyp...@punk.net wrote:
>
> Ken Konrad wrote:

> # >
> # >It was "administrative assistant". <SNORT!>
> #
> # Wrong again. Administrative Officer.
>
> KKKen, you have no idea how funny you are
> while posting with your panties in a bunch!
>
> So, what does "Bureaucratic Officer" do?
>
> You were called upon with all your years of experience to do...?

KKKen drove a desk!!!! BWAAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!

Pagan

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May 17, 2002, 6:31:36 PM5/17/02
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"Steve Furbish" <sfur...@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:iQ8F8.27253$sg2.7...@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net...

You sure? ( (o) )

Pagan


Pagan

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May 17, 2002, 6:34:23 PM5/17/02
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"Michael Zarlenga" <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote in message
news:uea3r1...@corp.supernews.com...

> In alt.law-enforcement Pagan <anti...@linkline.com> wrote:
> :> Zarlenga doesn't seem to realize KKKen's gone kook.
> :> (I don't see Zarl's posts anymore, I have him plonked
> :> for "hypocrisy".)
>
> : Just when did Zarlenga show hypocrisy?
>
> Apparently, when I didn't chime in on the bashing of Ken.

That'll do it.

I'm not quite sure why they've targeted Ken, anyway. I see myself as much
nastier. Could be he hit a nerve somewhere.

We need Sgt. Rock back. heh

Pagan


Pagan

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May 17, 2002, 7:07:12 PM5/17/02
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"Phil" <dogg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:83456a7a.02051...@posting.google.com...
<snip>

> There's absolutely no reason to post someone's personal information in
> a newsgroup. This is just chickenshit, pure and simple.

You are 100% correct!

Pagan


Pagan

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May 17, 2002, 7:36:07 PM5/17/02
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<cyp...@punk.net> wrote in message
news:LUeF8.24345$Db5.7...@typhoon.nyc.rr.com...

Actually, for it to be Libel, he has to know, or should have known, that
it's NOT true.

Without this, and without evidence to back the statement up, it's simply an
accusation.

This is what protects the media when they publish "facts" that turn out to
be false.

Pagan


Pagan

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May 17, 2002, 7:38:07 PM5/17/02
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"Ken [NY" <bluesgu...@aol.PANTScom> wrote in message
news:n3oaeuktd007rlf0r...@4ax.com...

Haven't seen those.

At least it's a huge one! heh

Pagan


Michael Zarlenga

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May 17, 2002, 9:17:21 PM5/17/02
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In alt.law-enforcement cyp...@punk.net wrote:
: The original traffic analysis was:

: On Ken's page http://members.aol.com/roadkill2/bio.htm with its gradient
: background is a link to him in a Superman costume, with the text "doitall".

Ken, is that YOU? You ran in the NYC marathon?

Michael Zarlenga

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May 17, 2002, 9:18:15 PM5/17/02
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In alt.law-enforcement mike <moo...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
:> I see Ken's posts and don't see where he's gone "kook."
:> Show me.

: Show yourself and look back on his posts in the Drunk Cop
: thread.

What's the exact subject of the thread?

LED

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May 17, 2002, 10:32:11 PM5/17/02
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"Phil" <dogg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:83456a7a.02051...@posting.google.com...
> "LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote in message
news:<ffDE8.25014$Vm2.9...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> > "Steve Furbish" <sfur...@gmx.net> wrote in message
> > news:WSAE8.22719$sg2.5...@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net...
> > >
> > > <cyp...@punk.net> wrote in message
> > > news:39gE8.15791$Db5.5...@typhoon.nyc.rr.com...
> > > > KENNETH KONRAD
> > >
> > > That's the kind of weak-kneed sissy shit I thought you'd get around to
> > > sooner or later. I guess punk is the proper nickname for you after
all?
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> >
> > errrr, Steve, I'd say they're both almost even right about now.....at
least
> > here on nyc.general
>
> There's absolutely no reason to post someone's personal information in
> a newsgroup. This is just chickenshit, pure and simple.
>
>

Not at all, Ken himself has claimed it's all bullshit, so what's the
problem? aye?

LED

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May 17, 2002, 10:36:50 PM5/17/02
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"Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com> wrote in message
news:ueb22l...@corp.supernews.com...

doesn't it depend on whether it's a bullshit post? or a post with ACTUAL
info?


LED

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May 17, 2002, 10:38:24 PM5/17/02
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"Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com> wrote in message
news:ueb04t5...@corp.supernews.com...

hahaha, he must've hit a nerve a long long time ago here on
nyc.general.........


>
> We need Sgt. Rock back. heh
>

who dat?


LED

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May 17, 2002, 10:40:35 PM5/17/02
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"Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com> wrote in message
news:ueb3sdq...@corp.supernews.com...

hehe, please don't get him started....... ;-))))))

LED

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May 17, 2002, 10:51:49 PM5/17/02
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"Ken [NY" <bluesgu...@aol.PANTScom> wrote in message
news:n3oaeuktd007rlf0r...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 16 May 2002 22:57:22 GMT, "LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com>
> blatted:
>
> >> >I cannot say it for a fact (since I could never prove it), BUT, if Ken
> >DID
> >> >have additional info regarding Cypher, then I think I can say without
> >> >contradiction that, he would've posted it.......I think it's come to,
or
> >> >shall I say "been at" that level?......
> >>
> >> Wrong, LED. I have enough info as to his home street and place
> >> of employment - enough for an investigation and a civil suit if I go
> >> that far. But I never have posted stuff like he did and never would.
> >> Like Steve says, only a sissy...
> >>
> >
> >'then I suppose all that's left is how you went about obtaining such
> >information. There'd be a difference betw. getting it straight off the
NET
> >as he did with you (however wrong the info he provided might've been)
> >.....and getting the information through __________? (you fill in the
blank)
> >
>
> It came from published sources including his own usenet posts.
> He isn't as smart as he thinks he is. (What an understatement.) But
> tell me, what's the difference since I already stated that I would
> never stoop so low as to post anyone's personal information no matter
> how I got it.


then I'm the only one in on my own joke.....or rather, thought? since I was
never trying to be funny.
It's just that the police department Does have access through court orders
to access individual's personal information through their ISP....is it not?
I mean, isn't that how some departments are fighting child pornographers and
other child abusers (sexual and otherwise) these days? and other criminals
on the net?

I was simply thinking that with Cypher's anonymous ID and your claim to have
his personal info?...well, what's left? Hey! you post your info on the Net,
and someone else retrieves it and reposts it....well, what do you want? an
apology? Okay, you probably deserve that much, BUT...........

> Now since you appear to to be assuming a neutral stance in all
> this

neutral? how so? because I'm not taking the approach everyone else has been
taking on this NG lately and which I myself have taken so often which is to
say, KILL OR BE KILLED? STAMP THE FUCKER OUT OR BE STAMPED OUT?....mighty
extreme, wouldn't you say Ken? I had hope for you yet. but yer' letting me
down.

> perhaps you could explain to me how you assumed I would post
> that sort of information. I never have done anything like that, even
> though others including OFR have posted similar info about me. I am
> not the pansy here, remember? He is the one posting links to pictures
> of me with a huge penis attached.
>

Who in God's name is OFR?????? I'm really missing out on that one!


LED

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May 17, 2002, 11:27:05 PM5/17/02
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<cyp...@punk.net> wrote in message
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>
> Google this: "richard jewell" settlement
>
> http://www.cnn.com/US/9701/03/olympic.bombing/

I honestly think he could've gotten more....

'least I would've held out for that more!


mike

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May 17, 2002, 11:32:57 PM5/17/02
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A hardKKKore Right/White/KKKommando-type-AAA personality
who believe that anyone NOT in uniform is a perp and that cops
are justified to do ANYTHING for a collar and that they are NEVER
wrong.

LED

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May 17, 2002, 11:43:39 PM5/17/02
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"mike" <moo...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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oh, Ken x 10


mike

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May 17, 2002, 11:51:25 PM5/17/02
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LED wrote:

> > > >
> > > > We need Sgt. Rock back. heh
> > > >
> > >
> > > who dat?
> >
> > A hardKKKore Right/White/KKKommando-type-AAA personality
> > who believe that anyone NOT in uniform is a perp and that cops
> > are justified to do ANYTHING for a collar and that they are NEVER
> > wrong.
>
> oh, Ken x 10

More like KKKen x 1000.

Straight outta a comic book.

LED

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May 17, 2002, 11:59:30 PM5/17/02
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"mike" <moo...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3CE5D040...@nyc.rr.com...

errrrrrr, how does he post? call me slow but I haven't narrowed down a
single post....what's his/her calling?

I haven't watched too much the latest cop related posts.....errr,
complaints? errr, bitches? errr, ______?????


Pagan

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May 18, 2002, 12:49:01 AM5/18/02
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"LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote in message
news:9ljF8.22265$D41.5...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
<snip>

> Who in God's name is OFR?????? I'm really missing out on that one!

He's an anarchist who posts stories about Schenectady, NY's police
department.

He's gone by the names Bob, Not, Man, - , and lately possibly User and
Theodore.

His most well known "name" is OFR, which stands for Outlaw Frog Raper.
(haven't quite figured that one out)

As far as I know, he's not trying to hide his identity with all the name
changes. He's frequently kicked off his ISP because he insists on spamming
other newsgroups, such as alt.california, with the happenings of
Schenectady, a city which nobody's ever heard of outside this newsgroup.
Every time this happens, those who blocked him start getting his messages
again, and the circle goes on. However, possibly to his credit, possibly to
his being barred or tired of changing ISP's all the time, he's started
leaving off various newsgroups where his posts are off topic. I like to
believe he's done this out of courtesy.

He's also known to play script kiddy, scanning people's ports (a prelude to
hacking their computer) of those who posts things he really dislikes.

For the past few months he's stuck to posting news stories, staying pretty
much out of discussions, at least it seems. Could be he's posting under
another name, but I doubt it. I don't think it's his style.

Pagan


LED

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May 18, 2002, 12:34:04 AM5/18/02
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"Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com> wrote in message
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errrrrr. nutcase?


Pagan

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May 18, 2002, 12:59:43 AM5/18/02
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"LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote in message
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Yes.

If it's actual info, it's chickenshit, meant to intimidate someone with
physical violence or harrassment of them and their family for what they say
on a newsgroup. When somebody resorts to this kind of bullshit, it shows
they can't provide a decent debate, and must silence those who disagree by
any means possible, lest their fragile ego be bruised.

If it's bogus info, it's just downright evil, because now some poor slob may
very well be the target of an opinion he knows nothing about. This
certainly goes for out-of-date info as well.

The fact is this those who play this game are no different from those they
like to compare cops to. Nazis, KGB, all the brutal regimes who silenced
their critics, not by heated debate, but with physical threats.

If a person can't disagree with someone without doing this, they have no
business on newsgroups, and absolutely no credibility.

Pagan


LED

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May 18, 2002, 12:46:40 AM5/18/02
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"Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com> wrote in message
news:uebmnem...@corp.supernews.com...

> "LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote in message
> news:67jF8.22242$D41.5...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > "Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com> wrote in message
> > news:ueb22l...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > "Phil" <dogg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:83456a7a.02051...@posting.google.com...
> > > <snip>
> > > > There's absolutely no reason to post someone's personal information
in
> > > > a newsgroup. This is just chickenshit, pure and simple.
> > >
> > > You are 100% correct!
> > >
> >
> > doesn't it depend on whether it's a bullshit post? or a post with ACTUAL
> > info?
>
> Yes.
>
> If it's actual info, it's chickenshit, meant to intimidate someone with
> physical violence or harrassment of them and their family for what they
say
> on a newsgroup. When somebody resorts to this kind of bullshit, it shows
> they can't provide a decent debate, and must silence those who disagree by
> any means possible, lest their fragile ego be bruised.

okay, but I thought that was obvious....


> If it's bogus info, it's just downright evil, because now some poor slob
may
> very well be the target of an opinion he knows nothing about. This
> certainly goes for out-of-date info as well.

it's debatable as to whether it's evil,.....how about childish????

> The fact is this those who play this game are no different from those they
> like to compare cops to. Nazis, KGB, all the brutal regimes who silenced
> their critics, not by heated debate, but with physical threats.

errrr, poor comparison (sp???).....to say that they are no different from
those who would carry these announcements, threats or what-have-you threats
out and say and mention in the very same line cops doesn't make much of an
argument for cops themselves,......right???? Follow???

>
> If a person can't disagree with someone without doing this, they have no
> business on newsgroups, and absolutely no credibility.
>

to a degree.....and a point.....


LED

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May 18, 2002, 12:47:10 AM5/18/02
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"Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com> wrote in message
news:uebm389...@corp.supernews.com...

>
> He's an anarchist who posts stories about Schenectady, NY's police
> department.
>
> He's gone by the names Bob, Not, Man, - , and lately possibly User and
> Theodore.
>
> His most well known "name" is OFR, which stands for Outlaw Frog Raper.
> (haven't quite figured that one out)
>
> As far as I know, he's not trying to hide his identity with all the name
> changes. He's frequently kicked off his ISP because he insists on
spamming
> other newsgroups, such as alt.california, with the happenings of
> Schenectady, a city which nobody's ever heard of outside this newsgroup.
> Every time this happens, those who blocked him start getting his messages
> again, and the circle goes on. However, possibly to his credit, possibly
to
> his being barred or tired of changing ISP's all the time, he's started
> leaving off various newsgroups where his posts are off topic. I like to
> believe he's done this out of courtesy.
>
> He's also known to play script kiddy, scanning people's ports (a prelude
to
> hacking their computer) of those who posts things he really dislikes.
>
> For the past few months he's stuck to posting news stories, staying pretty
> much out of discussions, at least it seems. Could be he's posting under
> another name, but I doubt it. I don't think it's his style.
>
>


scary


Pagan

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<snip>

> > We need Sgt. Rock back. heh
> >
>
> who dat?

He left a while back.

He's a cop who, to paraphrase, "Gave these kooks back their own medicine."

He created a character who was always putting on a "bone crushing wrist
lock" (my personal favorate) on anybody who talked trash about cops.

He's been accused of everything from hacking computers to mind control.
Some hate him so much that, during 9-11, there were long, endless threads
bitching about his antics, even when he hadn't posted for a while, and while
everybody else was watching the terrorists strike.

However, if you asked a question he thought was legit, he'd give a most
thoughtful answer. I learned a lot from some of his posts. He knows a lot
about guns and proper use of force.

He's not a bad guy, once you get to know him.

It's hard to really describe him. Just saw Star Wars, and I'm pooped, so my
mind's not on that drama.

Pagan


Pagan

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"LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote in message
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Not sure.

We've had a few battles, and I think he's got some real wacked out ideas
that defy all logic and wisdom, but I feel the same way about most
Democrats.

He's done some rotten things, with the hacking, crossposting, and quite a
while ago signing his posts with "Vote with a bullet", but it's evident that
he doesn't keep doing them, and sometimes he admits to having a change of
mind. The nutcases, in my opinion, don't do that. They just keep trucking
on with the same BS.

It seems he lives in a real toilet town, probably been messed with by the
local cops, and needs a "cause" to fight for.

Pagan


Pagan

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May 18, 2002, 1:33:49 AM5/18/02
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"LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote in message
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Me too, but the Army taught me not to "assume."

> > If it's bogus info, it's just downright evil, because now some poor slob
> may
> > very well be the target of an opinion he knows nothing about. This
> > certainly goes for out-of-date info as well.
>
> it's debatable as to whether it's evil,.....how about childish????

I can go with that.

> > The fact is this those who play this game are no different from those
they
> > like to compare cops to. Nazis, KGB, all the brutal regimes who
silenced
> > their critics, not by heated debate, but with physical threats.
>
> errrr, poor comparison (sp???).....to say that they are no different from
> those who would carry these announcements, threats or what-have-you
threats
> out and say and mention in the very same line cops doesn't make much of an
> argument for cops themselves,......right???? Follow???

I was referring to what they call cops, along the lines of jack booted
thugs, Nazis, that sort of thing. I've been called it all. Those who do
this are typically anti-cop, complain about how brutal they are, and try to
convince folks that all cops are out to take over every aspect of people's
lives.

It's ironic, because many cops out there have access to databases where they
can easily look up anybody in here, but you don't see cops publishing
personal information about the cop-bashers. Even Sgt. Rock, arguably the
most (famous) infamous personality on Usenet, didn't do that. Yet it's cops
who are frequently accused of trying to silence others.

> > If a person can't disagree with someone without doing this, they have no
> > business on newsgroups, and absolutely no credibility.
> >
>
> to a degree.....and a point.....

There are people I'd take on their word. Not many, but some. Most folks,
with no evidence to the contrary, I'd believe most of what they say on a
newsgroup, such as a personal experience and whatnot. But when somebody
comes in and physically attacks or threatens someone else, they get written
off by me.

Pagan


LED

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"Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com> wrote in message
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> "LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote in message
> news:67jF8.22242$D41.5...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > "Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com> wrote in message
> > news:ueb22l...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > "Phil" <dogg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:83456a7a.02051...@posting.google.com...
> > > <snip>
> > > > There's absolutely no reason to post someone's personal information
in
> > > > a newsgroup. This is just chickenshit, pure and simple.
> > >
> > > You are 100% correct!
> > >
> >
> > doesn't it depend on whether it's a bullshit post? or a post with ACTUAL
> > info?
>
> Yes.
>
> If it's actual info, it's chickenshit, meant to intimidate someone with
> physical violence or harrassment of them and their family for what they
say
> on a newsgroup. When somebody resorts to this kind of bullshit, it shows
> they can't provide a decent debate, and must silence those who disagree by
> any means possible, lest their fragile ego be bruised.

Psyche 101, hmmmmm, missed that class, please educate me further....

>
> If it's bogus info, it's just downright evil, because now some poor slob
may
> very well be the target of an opinion he knows nothing about. This
> certainly goes for out-of-date info as well.

you mean Pagan as in how I saw recognized you last nite in a drug buy? I
mean, IT WAS YOU! heck the description fits you...!!!....never mind what it
was.......but damn it! I'll swear it was you!

Now, am I evil? or am I just plain stupid? (oh yeah, I forgot to mention: I
was referring to the Pagan who used to reside at 1313 mockingbird lane (God
how I loved that show!!!!!!)

>
> The fact is this those who play this game are no different from those they
> like to compare cops to. Nazis, KGB, all the brutal regimes who silenced
> their critics, not by heated debate, but with physical threats.

ummmm, that's a stretch isn't it Pagan? ........physical threats?

>
> If a person can't disagree with someone without doing this, they have no
> business on newsgroups, and absolutely no credibility.

You're close, you're close, but not there yet.....


LED

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"Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com> wrote in message
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>
> It's ironic, because many cops out there have access to databases where
they
> can easily look up anybody in here, but you don't see cops publishing
> personal information about the cop-bashers.
>


uhuh

....okay, please educate us all...this falls in line with another point I
was trying to make elsewhere on this NG.......


LED

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"Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com> wrote in message
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>
> > okay, but I thought that was obvious....
>
> Me too, but the Army taught me not to "assume."
>

Kewl!!!!

hahahahaha, 'nearly missed that comment.....yah, the army teaches you never
to assume!


Pagan

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"LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote in message
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Hey, that WAS me. Tylenol PM, gel caps.

> Now, am I evil? or am I just plain stupid?

That hardly fits under personal info. heh

> (oh yeah, I forgot to mention: I
> was referring to the Pagan who used to reside at 1313 mockingbird lane
(God
> how I loved that show!!!!!!)

Was there a Pagan on the show?

> > The fact is this those who play this game are no different from those
they
> > like to compare cops to. Nazis, KGB, all the brutal regimes who
silenced
> > their critics, not by heated debate, but with physical threats.
>
> ummmm, that's a stretch isn't it Pagan? ........physical threats?

With heated argument and a bunch of wackos roaming the newsgroups, posting
someone's personal info is well within the bounds of physical threats.
There's guys here who talk about how best to kill cops.

> > If a person can't disagree with someone without doing this, they have no
> > business on newsgroups, and absolutely no credibility.
>
> You're close, you're close, but not there yet.....

Call me ignorant, but I'm not sure what your trying to say.

Pagan


LED

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"Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com> wrote in message
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> "LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote in message
> news:DslF8.22369$D41.5...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > you mean Pagan as in how I saw recognized you last nite in a drug buy? I
> > mean, IT WAS YOU! heck the description fits you...!!!....never mind what
> it
> > was.......but damn it! I'll swear it was you!
>
> Hey, that WAS me. Tylenol PM, gel caps.

I'll swear I saw you snortin' somethin'!!!! you know, break that tylenol in
bits and you could definitely snort it! or am I thinkin of my Ambien?.....
;-) nevermind

>
> > Now, am I evil? or am I just plain stupid?
>
> That hardly fits under personal info. heh

well, I kinda like the mischievous part.......
call me the lil devil....


>
> > (oh yeah, I forgot to mention: I
> > was referring to the Pagan who used to reside at 1313 mockingbird lane
> (God
> > how I loved that show!!!!!!)
>
> Was there a Pagan on the show?

errr, I'm confusing you with paganism?....uhm, nevermind once again.....but
yah gotta love that Fred Gwynn

> > > The fact is this those who play this game are no different from those
> they
> > > like to compare cops to. Nazis, KGB, all the brutal regimes who
> silenced
> > > their critics, not by heated debate, but with physical threats.
> >
> > ummmm, that's a stretch isn't it Pagan? ........physical threats?
>
> With heated argument and a bunch of wackos roaming the newsgroups, posting
> someone's personal info is well within the bounds of physical threats.
> There's guys here who talk about how best to kill cops.

never on nyc.general Pagan, never here.....!!!!


> > > If a person can't disagree with someone without doing this, they have
no
> > > business on newsgroups, and absolutely no credibility.
> >
> > You're close, you're close, but not there yet.....
>
> Call me ignorant, but I'm not sure what your trying to say.
>

um, nevermind x 3?....anyhow nevermind once again....Cheers, Dude!


LED

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btw Pagan,

how is it your clock's 10 min ahead of mine???


Pagan

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"LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote in message
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> btw Pagan,
>
> how is it your clock's 10 min ahead of mine???

It's about 20 minutes ahead of mine. Somehow I got the idea of setting my
clocks ahead so I'd be on time for stuff. Doesn't work.

Pagan


LED

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One last question Pagan......Your history?

where were you before law enforcement? or were you ever in law enforcement?

militarily wise and otherwise?


Pagan

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"LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com> wrote in message
> news:uebpm8s...@corp.supernews.com...
> > "LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com> wrote in message
> > news:DslF8.22369$D41.5...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > >
> > > you mean Pagan as in how I saw recognized you last nite in a drug buy?
I
> > > mean, IT WAS YOU! heck the description fits you...!!!....never mind
what
> > it
> > > was.......but damn it! I'll swear it was you!
> >
> > Hey, that WAS me. Tylenol PM, gel caps.
>
> I'll swear I saw you snortin' somethin'!!!! you know, break that tylenol
in
> bits and you could definitely snort it! or am I thinkin of my Ambien?.....
> ;-) nevermind

Perhaps you saw me dig a stubborn nose goblin...

> > > Now, am I evil? or am I just plain stupid?
> >
> > That hardly fits under personal info. heh
>
> well, I kinda like the mischievous part.......
> call me the lil devil....
>
>
> >
> > > (oh yeah, I forgot to mention: I
> > > was referring to the Pagan who used to reside at 1313 mockingbird lane
> > (God
> > > how I loved that show!!!!!!)
> >
> > Was there a Pagan on the show?
>
> errr, I'm confusing you with paganism?....uhm, nevermind once
again.....but
> yah gotta love that Fred Gwynn

Naw, they avoided too many references to that sort of thing. It was
considered anti-family back in the 60's. There was even a huge howl over
Bewitched. LOL

> > > > The fact is this those who play this game are no different from
those
> > they
> > > > like to compare cops to. Nazis, KGB, all the brutal regimes who
> > silenced
> > > > their critics, not by heated debate, but with physical threats.
> > >
> > > ummmm, that's a stretch isn't it Pagan? ........physical threats?
> >
> > With heated argument and a bunch of wackos roaming the newsgroups,
posting
> > someone's personal info is well within the bounds of physical threats.
> > There's guys here who talk about how best to kill cops.
>
> never on nyc.general Pagan, never here.....!!!!

There's plenty here on alt.thebird.copwatch and alt.law-enforcement.

> > > > If a person can't disagree with someone without doing this, they
have
> no
> > > > business on newsgroups, and absolutely no credibility.
> > >
> > > You're close, you're close, but not there yet.....
> >
> > Call me ignorant, but I'm not sure what your trying to say.
> >
>
> um, nevermind x 3?....anyhow nevermind once again....Cheers, Dude!

Three hours past my bedtime. 'Night.

Pagan


Ken [NY

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On Fri, 17 May 2002 21:48:27 GMT, cyp...@punk.net blatted:

>Ken Konrad wrote:
># cyp...@punk.net wrote:
>#
># >Really? Well, the court battle would include getting all
># >your personnel records and evaluation reports, to see if
># >you had a reputation to ruin.
>#
># All neatly filed in the Commissioner's office and available
># upon subpeona.
>
>Gee, I wonder what the story is, why you never made the grade.

I did make the grade. You are a liar.

>#
># >There must by a good reason why you worked as a Nassau County
># >copper for 32 years, and ended up as...let's see, was it 'Captain'?
># >No...was it 'Lt'? No...was it Detective? No.
># >
># >It was "administrative assistant". <SNORT!>
>#
># Wrong again. Administrative Officer.
>
>KKKen, you have no idea how funny you are
>while posting with your panties in a bunch!
>
>So, what does "Bureaucratic Officer" do?

I have no idea. Never heard of the term.

>You were called upon with all your years of experience to do...?

Run a police precinct. And you? Oh yeah, you supervise a
computer.

>Ken Konrad wrote:
># cyp...@punk.net wrote:
>#
># >And who are you to complain about posting libel?
># >
># >What's this:
># >
># >KKKen wrote:
># >#
># ># 2. FACT: Governor Bill Clinton (D) raped a young woman
># >
># >My oh my, you sure are a nutjob.
>#
># AN OPEN LETTER TO HILLARY CLINTON
># BY JUANITA BROADDRICK
># 'DO YOU REMEMBER?'
># SUNDAY OCT 15, 2000
>[snip]
>
>Whoooey, KKKen! Youz are a blimp of hot air!
>
>This may come as a shock to you, but it's still libel.
>
>Libel isn't dependent on whether or not you believe it's true.
>
>Ain't life a bitch?

It's all there where you deleted it. And Cliinton never denied
raping Juanita Broaddrick. That's how you liberals treat sex crime
victims - the old "nuts and sluts" Democratic defense to all those
sexual attacks by bubba. All those victims and witnesses - all of whom
were Democrats, by the way - are either lying or sluts?

>
>Ken Konrad wrote:
># cyp...@punk.net wrote:
>#
># >Hey, when are you going to answer the previous challenge about posting
># >my address and employer, which I give you full permission to do if you
># >do it now?
>#
># I don't know your name and full address.
>
>Nor employer.
>
># And that kind of horseshit is what sissies do. I also like
># the cowardly way you issue a challenge you know I had no
># intention of taking up, as I previously wrote in a response
># to LED.
>
>After you made the claim to me, that is.

I made the claim and then said I wouldn't stoop to your level
by publishing it. I like the high ground and will let you crawl
through the sewer like a rat.

>And it could no longer be said you'd be a "sissy", because I
>explicitly indemnified you: it had become a call-your-bluff deal.
>
>What you fail to address with your explanation why you never
>had any intention of releasing the information, yet made the
>claim. And you are pretty much admitting you don't have the info.

Of course. And I also said I could get it if I wanted to go
through with what you did.


>You need to get a life beyond calling Chelsea the "Clinton's Dog."

As soon as the liberals stop calling the Bush women "hags".
What goes around comes around.

>I find your posts more disgusting than cop-basher posts.
>
>And oh, you do that too to Kelly/NYPD.

Kelly is not a cop, idiot. He is an appointed administrator.

> http://home.nyc.rr.com/cypherpunk/ken.jpg
>
>KKKen wrote:
>#
># He is the one posting links to pictures
># of me with a huge penis attached.
>
>Here is the reason for the picture: you are a huge prick.
>
>A sample prick message of yours is added to the jpg.

Your nearly masturbatory obsession with the male penis,
especially "huge" ones, has already been noted. You are a sexual
pervert and everybody knows it now.

Ken (NY)
Vice Chairman,
Department Of Redundancy Department
____________________________________

No trees were harmed to bring you
this e-Presentation...

Ken [NY

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On Fri, 17 May 2002 16:38:07 -0700, "Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com>
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>> Now since you appear to to be assuming a neutral stance in all

>> this, perhaps you could explain to me how you assumed I would post


>> that sort of information. I never have done anything like that, even
>> though others including OFR have posted similar info about me. I am

>> not the pansy here, remember? He is the one posting links to pictures


>> of me with a huge penis attached.
>

>Haven't seen those.
>
>At least it's a huge one! heh

In cypherperve's fantasies, all penis' are huge. Like herto
boy's fantasy women all have huge bosoms.

Ken [NY

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On Sat, 18 May 2002 02:51:49 GMT, "LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com>
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>Who in God's name is OFR?????? I'm really missing out on that one!

He is an anarchist who used to propose the murder of police
officers. His motto was
>> >Make your own justice, vote with a bullet.
>> > Aim for the head

He suggested that people who have been arrested and believe the
arrest was unjustified should kill the officers.

But the police were not the only people he suggested should die:

>>Fuck the voting booth. When politicians override the will of the
>>people, use of force is allowable to remove them.

and

> > Vote with a bullet, aim for the head.
> > Remove bad laws from the books with a bullet.
> > Violence IS the only language the US government
> > understands.

and

>>Make your own justice. Stand up to drug warriors.
>>
>>Vote with a bullet.
>>
>>On with the body count.
>>
>>Today's miss, tomorrow's hit.
>>
>>Reap the violence you sow, you stupid mother fuckers.

>>Yes, "paid informants" can destroy your life.

>>Even a cops life.

>>They planted the seeds.

>>Now they will be victims of their own spawned seeds.


That should give you an idea of what was going on. Last year,
he retracted all of that kind of stuff and apologized to the law
enforcement community. I don't know for certain if he was telling the
honest truth with the retraction, but at least the cop killer rantings
have stopped.
But his place has been taken by others.
Regards,

Ken [NY

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On Sat, 18 May 2002 02:36:50 GMT, "LED" <le...@nospamnewyorkled.com>
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>
>"Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com> wrote in message

>news:ueb22l...@corp.supernews.com...
>> "Phil" <dogg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:83456a7a.02051...@posting.google.com...
>> <snip>
>> > There's absolutely no reason to post someone's personal information in
>> > a newsgroup. This is just chickenshit, pure and simple.
>>
>> You are 100% correct!
>>
>
>doesn't it depend on whether it's a bullshit post? or a post with ACTUAL
>info?
>

What if someone posted and repeatedly reposted the name and
address of say a rape victim in your family that he got through an
online posting? Would it be ok since it was found online?

Ken [NY

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On Fri, 17 May 2002 15:34:23 -0700, "Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com>
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>I'm not quite sure why they've targeted Ken, anyway. I see myself as much
>nastier. Could be he hit a nerve somewhere.

They hate mostly two groups of people, cops and conservatives.
I am a retired cop (close enough, I guess) and a conservative. Just
another example of liberals' inclusiveness and their willingness to
allow opposing views.

Ken [NY

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On Fri, 17 May 2002 22:10:46 -0700, "Pagan" <anti...@linkline.com>
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>Just saw Star Wars, and I'm pooped, so my
>mind's not on that drama.

Well? How was it?

Ken [NY

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On Sat, 18 May 2002 01:17:21 -0000, Michael Zarlenga
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>In alt.law-enforcement cyp...@punk.net wrote:
>: The original traffic analysis was:
>
>: On Ken's page http://members.aol.com/roadkill2/bio.htm with its gradient
>: background is a link to him in a Superman costume, with the text "doitall".
>
>Ken, is that YOU? You ran in the NYC marathon?

Twice. Hit the wall the first time and DNF'd but finished the
second one.

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