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Dylan Barry  
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 More options Nov 15 2006, 2:04 pm
From: "Dylan Barry" <dylan.ba...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:04:38 -0000
Local: Wed, Nov 15 2006 2:04 pm
Subject: Accountability Groups
I came across a very interesting post on another blog by Eric Costa on
the Reformation Theology blog (
http://www.reformationtheology.com/2006/11/the_gospel_versus_accounta...
).  It was concerning accountability groups and their focus and
purpose.  Rev. Costa, I think was right when he made note that:

"For a common example, take an AG that appeals to Pride in order to
subdue Lust (Fear of Man being the negative flipside of the Pride
Coin). Someone in such an AG would feel pressure not to slip into
lustful behavior, so that he wouldn't have to embarass himself in front
of the others in the group. If the group meets on a Wednesday night,
the only thing keeping him from looking at pornography on Tuesday night
is the fear he has of telling his friends the next night. They'd
obviously think less of him if he has something to say during
confession time, and his Pride being stronger than his Lust, he
controls his lustful behavior. [Hasn't this become the very definition
of accountability??]"

I was talking this over with my roommate who had the unpleasant
encounter with his pastor who had advised him to move out of the
apartment in order to subdue his sin.  I was utterly shocked by the
notion that in order to keep someone accountable we would tell them to
take on a monastic measure.  My argument was that if we deal with a
behavior, then we are failing to deal with the sin.  I think that John
Owen was right in pointing out that sin cannot be defeated by merely
stopping its behavior, but must be met with the devastating truth of
the Gospel.  I remember reading an article in John MacArthur's book,
"Biblical Counseling" that stressed upon this fact.  Costa goes on to
write:

"Now, you run into a problem here. You haven't applied the Gospel to
the situation, so the Flesh is getting stronger, not weaker. It's just
one area of the Flesh that's been losing out to another, for a time.
But after a while, the Pride can't control the Lust any more. The Lust
leaps up, and overcomes the fellow, and he has to make a confession to
his AG. The AG forgives him, and he goes home, and maybe his Lust
overcomes him again in the next couple weeks. A few times he slips up,
and a few times he confesses."

I agree with his assessment.  I have seen so many AG (accountability
groups) fail because the group is to focused on "being better" and not
enough on facing their sin and turning to the cross.  I have had many
discussions with friends on this issue and the question that seems to
come up the most: "If God's grace is enough to cover my sin and God
through Christ forgives me for it.  Why is it so hard to stop sinning?"
 I would wonder if such a question belies to much confidence in one's
own means of justification.  However, I think the question is a good
one.  I by no means want to lessen the significance of mortifying one's
sins, but the problem comes when the action becomes more important than
the truth (it might even stem from a lack of understanding the depths
of man's depravity) of Christ's work on the cross.

"And it happens because we have a warped view of Christianity. We have
a view that says, "Being a Christian is primarily about being a better
person than most non-Christians. Anything that can help me be a better
person must be good." But Christianity is not primarily about being a
better person, and not all things are helpful when it comes to growing
in holiness. Some things that seem helpful are actually "of no value in
stopping the indulgence of the flesh" (Col. 2:23). Obviously, indulging
the flesh in one area in order to stop it in another isn't really
stopping it."

"When we participate in AGs driven by the Fear of Man or Pride, we
testify that we believe that Christianity is simply about getting
better. The most important thing becomes stopping sin and getting
better. There's a feeling there, that someday I'll conquer this whole
sin thing, and be good enough. If only I could get to a place where I
could stand on my own two feet, not stumbling around all the time in
sin! If only I could clean myself up just a little more, then I know
I'd be all right with God and his people."

It is a dangerous thing to try and overcome the flesh with the flesh.
So here are some of my questions: 1) what is the proper framework for a
sound accountability group? 2) Would a study of human depravity and
God's grace be an effective beginning for dealing with personal sin,
within the environment of a group?  3) When is it appropriate to deal
with the behavior?  4) What encompasses accountability (it is just
taking into account one's sin or can it be expanded to more things like
the Spiritual Disciplines?)

I am not sure, I am still thinking about this issue.  I have seen it
fail so many times and many of my friends admit that it has only caused
them to avoid.  This lack of accountability probably speaks to the fact
that it is not being understood as to what it is (many see it as
fulfilling a daily to-do list) while others see no fruit forthcoming in
their struggle spiritually (the question of why do I struggle so
much?).   So now that you know my thoughts on the subject, what do you
think?


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Laurence O'Donnell  
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 More options Jan 15 2007, 12:23 pm
From: "Laurence O'Donnell" <laurence.odonn...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:23:47 -0500
Local: Mon, Jan 15 2007 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: Accountability Groups

On 1/15/07, Laurence O'Donnell <l...@laurenceo.com> wrote:

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