On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Sotonin <soto
...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Respectfully, I am not the typical poster here. I am a revolutionary and
> a trailblazer, and everything I do is geared for maximum effect."
> This sentence perfectly illustrates why your thread received almost 0 real
> interest from the beginning. You need to adjust your attitude if you want
> to get helpful knowledgable folks interested in your project. You are just
> coming off as a "typical" ego-centric lone wolf programmer whom thinks he
> is better than everybody else. I don't know you, but with nothing but long
> winded e-mails that read like marketing speak, I don't feel any desire to
> get to know you or your project (future projects).
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Dennis Kane <dkan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Respectfully, I am not the typical poster here. I am a revolutionary and
>> a trailblazer, and everything I do is geared for maximum effect. I have
>> precisely zero interest in working for paychecks or even creating something
>> for the purpose of selling out to a corporation. I am interested in
>> starting a truly socialist movement... one whose participants understand
>> that like it or not, we are constantly moving into a post-capitalist future.
>> This ultimately just means that the historical corporate/ad buying
>> business model will slowly give way to models that have the notion of
>> "social capital" at their core. For any arbitrarily complicated web domain
>> that does not live and die by the ad revenue "sword" -- for example a
>> university or a municipality -- there is the ever present problem of
>> getting naive users to navigate the domain.
>> Today's websites typically do not use much logic when organizing their
>> resources. It all comes down to physical page space. So if one page
>> becomes too crowded with content, then another page must be created. Then
>> the problem reduces to how to develop a menu of links that allows to user
>> to navigate to the appropriate resource. At the moment, there are no
>> standards as to how a site should organize its content. Everyone has to
>> roll their own navigation solution, and when happening upon a new domain
>> for the first time, a user has to spend an arbitrary amount of time parsing
>> the visual layout, in order to create a site tree in their minds.
>> For everyone who says that the desktop environment is simply a
>> "metaphor", I would have to disagree. Our modern desktop GUI's are the
>> result of a evolutionary process... a process that has resulted in the most
>> intuitive and powerful of navigation systems. All that I am saying is that
>> we stop thinking of the client-side as a mere afterthought. For anyone who
>> wants to devote their efforts towards codifying a standard client-side
>> browser web-app interface, there will be countless service providers who
>> will breathe a sigh of relief that they will no longer be forced to worry
>> about layout and navigation.
>> And yes, I know there have been many many efforts in the past that have
>> tried to bring the desktop experience into the browser. The first obvious
>> problem is that Javascript has only recently become performant enough to
>> allow there to be pretty much zero difference from the native OS in terms
>> of icon/window handling.
>> Next, all of those other efforts were pre-HTML5, which pretty much forced
>> the applications to rely upon a back end for the purpose of saving state.
>> But now, there are so many different ways to save to the client, it
>> actually makes me blush!
>> And last but not least, we are really talking about doing a kind radical
>> paradigm inversion that conservative corporate interests just have no
>> interest in. The politics of the modern WWW is such that most websites are
>> completely in service of the corporate bottom line. And since corporations
>> have historically been all about buying up ad space/ad time in whatever
>> medium it can (print, radio, TV...), the Web has inevitably found itself as
>> having this exact same kind of role.
>> So there really is not "allowed" to be very much creativity on the Web,
>> if this creativity would only confuse/aggravate the corporate bosses who
>> are just trying to hawk their wares to as many naive consumers as possible.
>> The result of all of this political mumbo-jumbo is that the lowly web
>> developer is forced to think of him/herself as a mere layout designer...
>> such that the given layout gives sufficient prominence to whatever ad space
>> it is trying to sell. So the Web becomes nothing but a series of static
>> magazine-like page layouts. The only difference being that Web pages have
>> magic "hyperlinks" that quickly move us between arbitrary pages.
>> In this case, the programming language of the Web (Javascript) is
>> completely in service of the thing (the DOM) that allows for the
>> representation of the layouts. The paradigm inversion ultimately comes
>> down to making the layout representations completely in service of the
>> programming language. The popular view is that Javascript exists primarily
>> to allow for popup menus and client-side form validation. This view holds
>> that Javascript is fundamentally incapable of allowing for the kind of
>> functionality that I have demonstrated.
>> So anyone who tries to do what I am attempting must be fully aware of all
>> of these issues, and must have the appropriate battle plan in place.
>> Anyone who simply has the "bright idea" to start using Javascript in order
>> to mimic desktop functionality is pretty much doomed to irrelevance if they
>> are not able to mount a good enough challenge against the corporate
>> interests of yore.
>> Which brings me back to the original point I made on this post. In order
>> to pull off this paradigm shift, I realize that I have to become a "larger
>> than life" figure. I have to turn myself into a kind of heroic figure in
>> the minds of the average Web using public. I currently live in
>> Gainesville, Florida which is home to the massively important institution
>> known as the University of Florida. I was published as the lead story in
>> the UF student newspaper (The Alligator) under the title, "Turlington
>> Dancer Spreads Love, Equality." I like to keep myself in terrific shape
>> and walk around in public wearing very short shorts. I have recently
>> started a roadside campaign, where I've been holding a sign that says,
>> "Fall in Luv with the Web... LuvLuvLuv.info". You should really see me
>> dancing out there... it's a sight to behold!
>> By doing this I am making myself the kind of public figure who has the
>> kind of celebrity status to at least have a fighting chance against the fat
>> cat corporate bosses. I mean, Google itself is still forced to operate
>> under the old paradigm because its fate rests in the hands of the old
>> business model. There is really not much that Google can do because its
>> very identity is wrapped up in the notion that the Web is truly all about a
>> networked set of static, hyperlinked documents.
>> But anything I am involved with will begin from the premise that our
>> browsers ultimately exist simply to provide a thin layer between the
>> hardware and the application. Our in-browser API's are constantly
>> providing more and more access to the native OS. Application developers
>> can start worrying solely about business logic without any of the mechanism
>> logic getting in the way. Whenever we want to accomplish a non-trivial
>> task on our computers, we are very often faced with the decision of whether
>> to allow a given native application to gain full, naked access to our
>> hardware. There is always the inveitable, dreaded prompt that asks if we
>> would like to give program X the ability to... get ready for it... MAKE
>> CHANGES TO THE SYSTEM.
>> So now we can just start thinking of our browsers as the ultimate
>> sandboxes that have very sophisticted interface building and networking
>> tools. It will slowly start to dawn on native applications developers that
>> there is just no longer very much demand for their products and services,
>> and they will be required to live under the contraints that the in browser
>> Javascript environment enforces. Everything I am doing, then, is a bet
>> against a vision of the future that sees the web browser as the only user
>> space native application on any given computer. Upon booting up, the
>> browser will launch automatically in full screen mode (with no way of
>> minimizing it!). Given this vision of the future of personal computing,
>> doesn't it make sense to start investing time and energy towards making the
>> client interface as intuitive, configurable, and powerful as possible?
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