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From: Ted Young <t...@radicaldesigns.org>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:29:26 -0700
Local: Thurs, Oct 11 2012 4:29 pm
Subject: Re: [nodejs] "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!
> I am mainly using this thing as blackmail to get people to be interested in being my friend. I want to do some real world community building, and something like this will go a long way to get a cooperative business up and running.
Well, sharing code is sort of the main form of currency around web communities these days. If you look at the people in the node community that other people gravitate towards ( and would jump at a chance to work with ), they all produce quite a bit of useful code that they share with the community. And if I'm looking at someone as a technical cofounder, reading their code and seeing how they create working, production-ready libraries are at the top of my list.
> Furthermore... you do realize that asking another programmer to "just show me your code" is exactly the same as asking a girl to "just show me your breasts", right? I mean, I have nothing against it in principle, but, my god... I hardly know ye!!!
So anyways… that's how you do it! Regarding this particular project, I would say many of the people involved in node are people who are interested in rich-client browser apps. The "browser as OS" is an idea that's been around for years now, and many people are already working on it in some form[1]. However, one of the designs that's been tried and rejected along the way is the idea that a browser OS would just be a re-implementation of a desktop GUI, like macOS, only running on a javascript VM with a "cloud" back-end. And some design principals, like a desktop with drag-and-drop, are already going away in general as we move towards mouseless computing. But if out of this project you came up with, say, an improvement on drag-and-drop, or a library that was helpful to people who are building js app's other than a desktop-like interface, people would be interested in those pieces and would give you useful feedback. So breaking up your code into open source libraries and sharing them is super helpful!
BTW, a good short treatise, that was written before the current web boom but predicts many of it's features, is "In the Beginning… Was the Command Line" by Neal Stephenson[2]. Very short, definitely worth the read.
Ted
[1] http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os for the full-court-press version of this
> On Friday, October 5, 2012 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, sotonin wrote:
> Code.... post it.... else Zzzz > On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Dennis Kane <dka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The current version of the program now includes drag and drop functionality of text files from the native desktop straight into the browser desktop or (any of the subfolders). The difference between my drag and drop and all the HTML5 demos that you see on the web is that the dropped files immediately become icons that are integrated into the program.
> I will soon start working on getting multimedia icons/files working, so you'll be able to drop those directly in too. Then I will probably do a very basic kind of image editing demo that will allow you to change individual pixels or some such nonsense. But I don't want to get bogged down in the details of any particular application, because I always want to stay focused on the big picture of creating a totally powerful and intuitive way to organize our online lives.
> Anyway, I know I am quite a controversial figure here, but there should be no controversy that this thing is just about ready for prime time. I really do need to start getting interested people on board who would like to help me push the web forward. The basic mission statement for the venture will basically be that the "old web" (HTML4/version 1.0) is dead and gone. If anyone calls in search of help on their Flintstone era <html> documents with all of their <a href> and <div> tags laying about, we'll just point them in an entirely new direction. If they still insist on doing things the old way, we'll just hang up on them… This thing is all about the future!
> We can easily develop libraries of high-level interface widgets that people just need to attach event listeners to. There will be no angle brackets in sight! <hand><coded><html><markup></is></so></last></millenium>!
> Come one, come all, for the thrill of your lives :)
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:36:37 PM UTC-4, Dennis Kane wrote:
> This new thing is a totally shocking clone of OS X. I knew I was going to have to start over from the ground up, because my previous code base was so sh*tty, haha! I have really been concentrating on getting a nice, tight little API that developers will positively drool over. I don't want to make this thing publicly available for many reasons... but you can check out a youtube vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq_W19QokXk) that shows it in action, and I still have my same old crappy prototype online at http://luvluvluv.info. Well, hopefully this is proof that I am able to do some cool stuff, and hopefully summa yous will want to start being my friend now, LOL!!!
> And get this... the current, uncompressed js file size is only 54kb!
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