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From: Sotonin <soto...@gmail.com>

Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:02:50 -0500

Local: Sun, Sep 30 2012 3:02 pm

Subject: Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

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I've kept quiet on this thread to see how it plays out. I was waiting for
the OP to finally post something similar to "Why is everybody ignoring me
why isn't there any interest?". Now that it's happened, here's my 2 cents.

While I admit It looks neat from the YouTube video, It's just a gimmick.
There's been numerous web desktop projects throughout the years and they
all fail to garner enough real interest to go anywhere. Quite frankly there
are so many UI libraries out there for building nice UI that nothing in
your demo is really that revolutionary at all. Node has been around a while
for doing the file IO, UI libraries are plentiful. In fact the only thing
"special" about your demo is that it's a Mac OS clone... (Good luck open
sourcing something thats 100% Apple copyrighted material.). It also doesn't
help the OPs general attitude throughout all his posts is "Everything else
sucks, my stuff is magical". Very reminiscent of Steve Jobs. Adjusting your
tone a little and you might have gotten a little more fish biting.

That said, I have always been interested in the web desktop type projects,
just not interested enough to contribute. I like to see the results and
code. (This is a programming mailing list afterall, nobody cares much about
youtube videos, we want to see code)

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Gerald Klein <j...@zognet.com> wrote:
> Yes that IS much better, thank you for clearing that up and I am sure OP
> will respond to that in a more positive fashion.

> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Rick Waldron <waldron.r...@gmail.com>wrote:

>> On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:

>> The term constructive criticism which is always welcome innately suggests
>> that there is a better alternative idea or path that could be taken. Now
>> logic would also suggest that the person making this criticism have at
>> least an inkling of what that might be.

>> I've been really patient with your aggro commentary, but it's clear to me
>> that you're not reading my responses in their entirety.

>> 1. I'm definitely interested in the OPs project.

>> 2. YouTube videos do not satisfy my interests as a programmer and
>> software engineer.

>> 3. I want to see some code, that will be exciting

>> Hopefully I've made myself perfectly clear this time.

>> Rick

>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Rick Waldron <waldron.r...@gmail.com>wrote:

>> On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Mark Hahn wrote:

>> > I have never found negative comments to be helpful,

>> I respectfully disagree. Informed opinions should be welcome here.

>> +1 Informed and critical opinions are necessary for broader growth

>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Gerald Klein <j...@zognet.com> wrote:

>> I myself only from the seventies and more into the eighties in a
>> practical way. Accept my apologies but the comment before you was a bit
>> harsh and I was already annoyed. I have never found negative comments to be
>> helpful, I also don't assume that I can see the direction that something
>> will take. What I know is that it is good for people to be creative
>> whatever that form takes. He is putting is ideas out there which is more
>> then most people will ever do. I applaud any effort by a person putting out
>> their own ideas out there for everyone to see and I hope he continues to do
>> it and he gets to where he's going, I hope someday he makes millions from
>> it. I would applaud again.

>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Mark Hahn <m...@hahnca.com> wrote:

>> > This is also to say that from this may come something interesting

>> That would be great and I certainly don't want to dampen any enthusiasm.
>> I'm just giving my opinion as a potential user.

>> To journey to a great new place, it would seem to be easier to start from
>> somewhere modern instead of something old and moldy. I have been using
>> computers since the mid '60s and witnessed many metaphors come and go. I
>> for one would be happy to get rid of the desktop. Most users nowadays grew
>> up with the web, so it is a metaphor that they are at least as familiar
>> with as the desktop.

>> Maybe a glimpse into the future of the desktop could prove me wrong.
>> Where can it go from here?

>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Gerald Klein <j...@zognet.com> wrote:

>> The point I think he is making is that some derivative of a
>> familiar metaphor will help people grab on to the functionality or feel
>> more at home. This ia also to say that from this may come something
>> interesting after iteration(x) that is created.

>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hahn <m...@hahnca.com> wrote:

>> I know that this is a popular thing to do, but I don't understand it.
>> Why would you want to put a metaphor that dates from 30 years ago on a
>> modern brower? I find the hyperlinked documents on the web with responsive
>> web pages to be a better experience.

>> Google is working hard to replace the old Microsoft functionality with
>> gmail and google docs, yet you don't find Google using a desktop metaphor
>> with folders and trash cans. Apps don't spring up from icons into desktop
>> windows, they appear as web pages from web links.

>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Rick Waldron <waldron.r...@gmail.com>wrote:

>> On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane" <dkan...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> > My most recent work can be seen here:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0

>> > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working
>> Trashcan.

>> > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this & I
>> am really eager to get together with programmers who want to get something
>> beautiful started!

>> I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be
>> interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an API
>> that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API.

>> Share some code ;)

>> Rick

>> > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience
>> crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end administrators will
>> have. At the moment, the web is filled with absolutely boring/unresponsive
>> front-ends. So anyone who wants to work with me will really have a leg up
>> in terms of offering the kind of user experience that will keep the
>> back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)

>> > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of this
>> will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front end. I am
>> using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome I can make the end
>> user experience. Once I can get this prototype working as well as
>> possible, then I can start to think about how to make it even better than
>> OS X!

>> > I am all ears in terms of what kinds of services can be offered up
>> through this kind of interface...

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