> I don't think Marak was attempting to do anything other than inform the
> community he was stepping down. It got emotional, sure, but you can't blame
> him for that.
> Sometimes its hard to contain your emotion in these situations, because
> you have a lot invested in it. Sometimes, your entire body and soul. I
> think we all know MS had a lot invested in this.
> I don't think you should be criticizing people for that, for not being
> automata in always in service of corporations and business - first and
> foremost because this is an open source community which contains
> enthusiasts and freelancers as well. I also don't think that, when someone
> has just recently been let go, that you should be ex I *certainly* don't
> think you should be saying something along the lines "should signal why
> someone was fired." Really? *Wow*.
> In situations like this, startups always have the option to get out in
> front of the situation and announce that a major member is leaving. This
> has happened at every single start up I have worked for. They should have
> done that, and they didn't. The reason why they should do it is precisely
> this, to avoid having to have the person severed explain - potentially
> emotionally - to the rest of the community why they will no longer be
> participating in projects that are beyond the scope of a company's NDA.
> This is what happens when they don't. I respect everyone over there at NJ,
> but that was a misstep.
> If you have scathing words, keep them to yourself. The only thing you did
> was damage the espirit de corps of this community.
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Nathan White <changereal...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Marak,
>> For the record I think your a pretty cool guy I just don't agree with
>> your actions. You have let your ego distort the lens of reality. I, like
>> yourself am very much a risk taker. With risks there are successes and
>> failures. Look forward not backwards.
>> It is admiral to inform the community about your changing involvement on
>> projects. This has been the guise of this thread but not the true motive.
>> People have asked if you will transfer ownership, with no response. There
>> is a reason github made this a core feature. We all thank you for your
>> involvement and wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors.
>> Visions, strategies and goals change at companies all the time,
>> especially startups. It is obvious that your not in alignment with your
>> previous employer. Remember there are many other people involved in
>> building companies. Teams need unity not discord. Companies must remove
>> barriers to unity, sometimes it people. It's not about who is right or
>> wrong, it just is.
>> Move on. Put your talents to use, you should have no problem finding a
>> paycheck. The self loathing will get you nowhere.
>> On Sep 13, 2012, at 12:03 AM, Marak Squires <marak.squi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> Nathan -
>> My intention was to inform the community I would no longer be maintaining
>> a lot of projects that many developers communicate with me about on a
>> semi-frequent basis.
>> The alternative would have been to silently stop supporting these
>> projects ( disappear ) without any notice or explanation.
>> - Marak
>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Nathan White <changereal...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> I usually refrain from this bs but when people start asking for
>>> explanations about such absurdities I find it very hard to refrain.
>>> Marak's behavior is childish and deserves no explaination. The way he
>>> brought this shit to the forum should signal why he was fired. None of
>>> these issues should take away from all the other talented members of
>>> nodejitsu. It doesn't matter if Marak is right, to handle an issue like
>>> this in a public forum is inexcusable.
>>> On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:33 PM, Adam Crabtree <atcrabt...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> When a leader departs from a community like this, a reasonable
>>> explanation helps answer the most basic questions that are on everyone's
>>> minds, while setting expectations of privacy in what they chose not to
>>> share. We should respect that and appreciate Marak's willingness to share
>>> personal details for the sake of greater clarity. Dramatic or not, none of
>>> us knows unless we know the whole story, which Marak chose not to share.
>>> Consider reaching out to Marak privately to encourage him in what is
>>> obviously a less than ideal situation.
>>> Otherwise, let's do as Mikeal suggests.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Adam Crabtree
>>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Micheil Smith <mich...@brandedcode.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>> Really, that was just me getting a wee bit annoyed at the idea of the
>>>> whole dramatisation
>>>> here. If a company fires you, they either had a reason to, or, you have
>>>> a lawsuit you can
>>>> probably press, if you really want to.
>>>> No need to make a big noise about it and try to paint them out as evil
>>>> or wrong or whatever,
>>>> it's fine though if someone asks that you're honest about it, but do we
>>>> really need to
>>>> discussion or even here about Marak's firing on the Node.js mailing
>>>> list? As far as I'm
>>>> concerned, not really, no.
>>>> – Micheil
>>>> On 12/09/2012, at 6:43 PM, Mikeal Rogers wrote:
>>>> > It is beyond foolish to speculate about why someone was fired from an
>>>> announcement like this.
>>>> > I suggest you ask Marak or someone else at nodejitsu you know
>>>> personally why this happened if you find it necessary to gossip.
>>>> > -Mikeal
>>>> > On Sep 12, 2012, at September 12, 201210:41 AM, Micheil Smith <
>>>> mich...@brandedcode.com> wrote:
>>>> >> Wasn't wanting to add into this, but reading between the lines it
>>>> reads as if there
>>>> >> was a conflict of interest, Marak was developing something
>>>> open-source that was
>>>> >> seen as a potential competitor to the closed-source product he was
>>>> being paid to
>>>> >> work on.
>>>> >> Which, if he wished to not stop work on that potential competitor,
>>>> then sure, sounds
>>>> >> fine to dismiss him from the position he held at the company.
>>>> >> And then, all that aside, I can understand being angry at a company,
>>>> but the tone
>>>> >> of that email was way off. Sure, if people ask you directly as to
>>>> why, you can say
>>>> >> something to them about it, but no need to make a massive show out
>>>> of it.
>>>> >> – Micheil
>>>> >> On 12/09/2012, at 4:54 PM, Jeff Barczewski wrote:
>>>> >>> Yes, it would be beneficial for both sides to communicate a summary
>>>> of what transpired to get to this point, rather than leaving this nebulous
>>>> cloud over everything.
>>>> >>> Marak, have you looked into those companies that were trying to
>>>> hire Node developers? (If moving is an option, then NodeUp sponsors like
>>>> Clock and Bislr are a few that come to mind)
>>>> >>> On Wednesday, 12 September 2012 10:43:15 UTC-5, Zeus wrote:
>>>> >>> So what was Nodejitsu's reasoning in all this? Your tone make it
>>>> seem you feel that they fired you unjustly.
>>>> >>> Best,
>>>> >>> Zeus
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