Processor question

[Andrew Farnsworth]

Pentium-D vs Core2
Pentium-D vs AMD Athlon/Phenom

Opinions? Differences?

I'm looking at building a cheap system to use as a workstation / server and have found a cheap Pentium-D dual core system and was wondering how it would compare to a Core2Duo or an AMD Phenom (or Phenom II).  Any opinions and or links would be appreciated.  I might use if for some casual gaming but nothing intense.  I want to run VMs on the system which I will be using for learning and development, no serious full time services. 

Andy

[Chris McQuistion]

The Pentium D's and some of the really low end Core 2's do not have hardware virtualization on the chip.  Intel calls this Intel VT, AMD calls it AMD-V.  There are some programs that do software (para) virtualization and don't require this built into the CPU, but most virtualization software requires it and it makes a noticeable performance difference.

All recent AMD chips have this built in, only Core 2 Duo and above have it on the Intel side.  If you're considering virtualization now or sometime in the future, make sure you get the CPU that can handle it.

Chris

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[Andrew Farnsworth]

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Chris McQuistion <cmcqu...@watkins.edu> wrote:

The Pentium D's and some of the really low end Core 2's do not have hardware virtualization on the chip.  Intel calls this Intel VT, AMD calls it AMD-V.  There are some programs that do software (para) virtualization and don't require this built into the CPU, but most virtualization software requires it and it makes a noticeable performance difference.

All recent AMD chips have this built in, only Core 2 Duo and above have it on the Intel side.  If you're considering virtualization now or sometime in the future, make sure you get the CPU that can handle it.

Chris

The E6300 which I am considering does include it according to Intel's fact page.

Thanks for the advice though.

Andy

[Sabuj Pattanayek]

> The E6300 which I am considering does include it according to Intel's fact
> page.

You're talking about the 2.8GHz E6300 Pentium D right? How much are
you paying for the complete system?

[./aal]

make sure the chipset/mb will enable the cpu features you want
the cpu having the flag does not mean it will do the function if the
chipset doesnt

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[Andrew Farnsworth]

$300 for cpu/fan/mb/2gb RAM/Case/PSU

no HD/Keyboard/Mouse

 

Barebones system

Andy

[Sabuj Pattanayek]

>> You're talking about the 2.8GHz E6300 Pentium D right? How much are
>> you paying for the complete system?
>
> $300 for cpu/fan/mb/2gb RAM/Case/PSU
>
> no HD/Keyboard/Mouse

The Phenom II X2 550 BE 3.1GHz is slightly faster in most benchmarks here:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3572&p=1

cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103680
2GB mem : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178213
mobo w/video: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138167
case+psu : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811148030

Total : $298.98 w/tax + shipping

[Sabuj Pattanayek]

You can get another core for $7 more:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103648

vs the E6300:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=84&p2=94

[Steven S. Critchfield]

Hmm, for a few bucks more, look at this one.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5214778&Sku=B69-0122

AMD dual core with virtualization and the same clock speed. Plus 1 tb disk, and
4gb of ram.

Look around, there are tons of cheap options.

BTW, one of the things I saw missing in your description was the types of
OSes you wished to virtualize and play with. Basically if you needed something
on the order of VMWare or if vserver would handle the job well enough.

----- "Andrew Farnsworth" <far...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Sabuj Pattanayek <sab...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > The E6300 which I am considering does include it according to
> Intel's
> > fact
> > > page.
> >

> > You're talking about the 2.8GHz E6300 Pentium D right? How much are
> > you paying for the complete system?
> >
>
> $300 for cpu/fan/mb/2gb RAM/Case/PSU
>
> no HD/Keyboard/Mouse
>
> >
> >

> Barebones system

>
> Andy
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