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scientologate

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Jul 3, 2008, 11:01:22 AM7/3/08
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Today anonymous Holland set up an Epic event. For a new TV program
"cuffed" the Head of OSA was set up to be handcuffed out on the
street.

However Julia Rijnvis by accident found out that she was going to be
handcuffed in a second and ran away (while loud and wild screaming)
into the nearby police departement.

Of course the whole team of the National TV station ran after her to
film the whole thing, even within the police department.

Still 10 minutes of wonderful material. :) There.

The name of the TV show is called in dutch "boeiend" which translated
would mean "chained" of "something which attracks a lot of attention".
The whole show is about chaining someone and then someone runs away
with the keys of the handcufs. The person will not be freed untill
certain questions have been answered by the person chained. This all
is recorded on the camera of the dutch national TV station KRO.

Wonder when the first youtube video's of this event will appear.

Well we have to think up a new Epic event now.

Some people hope the cross of the church will be hijacked and replaced
by a dollar symbol, or painted in purple on the day of the gayparade.
Of course all recorded on nice youtube videos....

Alexia Death

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Jul 3, 2008, 11:28:11 AM7/3/08
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wait...wait... this is a LEGITIMATE tv show? They can just grab
someone off the street and cuff them? O_O waird entertainment you have
there.(why do I see a LOLsuit coming?) Lots o LULZ in the event I bet
tho.

henri

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Jul 3, 2008, 1:19:53 PM7/3/08
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This has an illegal sound to it. Isn't this unlawful imprisonment or
kidnapping or something? Here, this would be a felony and would be
pretty likely to get you serious prison time.

I'm not aware of any civilized country where you're allowed to chain
someone to something for no reason. Hope you have a good lawyer.

scientologate

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Jul 3, 2008, 1:53:10 PM7/3/08
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This is a new dutch TV show, can't help, but in Holland they always
trying out things.

Probably you have heard about TV shows and films like Big Brother, The
Big Donor Show and Fitna The Movie.
They always trying out things and searching for the limit.

By the way, recently an anonymous was help hostage in the "church" of
scientology in Amsterdam. So it would be a kind of hypocritical to sue
an anonymous or TV-guy.

scientologate

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Is painting a cross in purple or pink legitimate in your country?

And what about hijacking the cross and replacing it by a dollarsign?
Here it would be a subject for a lot of lulz with movies appearing
from all around the world of groups hijacking the cross.
They even would consider giving it back in a TV-show, under the
condition that the ED personally comes to pick it up in a "live" show.
And probably would be given back this cross in a pink-color.

henri

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Jul 3, 2008, 2:38:38 PM7/3/08
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I doubt the hypocrisy of something has ever, once, in the history of
Scientology, kept them from doing anything at all.

Chip Gallo

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Jul 3, 2008, 2:39:00 PM7/3/08
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Who said TV couldn't be educational? Now the vast wasteland is dotted
with false imprisonment and crazy stunts. I love how you can judge the
extremeness of the situation being shown by how many blurred-out faces
there are in the video ...

A big shout out to Sylvia Stanard of OSA DC. Can you get John to get
John Jr. to finish that darn web site? So what if you don't have a
picture of Julie?

Chip Gallo
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Alexia Death

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Jul 3, 2008, 2:58:23 PM7/3/08
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Depends on if you own it.

> And what about hijacking the cross and replacing it by a dollarsign?
> Here it would be a subject for a lot of lulz with movies appearing
> from all around the world of groups hijacking the cross.
> They even would consider giving it back in a TV-show, under the
> condition that the ED personally comes to pick it up in a "live" show.
> And probably would be given back this cross in a pink-color.

Minor act of vandalism... Pehaps its worth the LULZ...

Wim Derksen

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Jul 3, 2008, 5:11:43 PM7/3/08
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I wait and see. I dont believe a word of it.

Wim

Jonnie Tyler

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Jul 3, 2008, 7:58:27 PM7/3/08
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"scientologate" <scient...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> This is a new dutch TV show, can't help, but in Holland they always
> trying out things.
>
> Probably you have heard about TV shows and films like Big Brother, The
> Big Donor Show and Fitna The Movie.
> They always trying out things and searching for the limit.

As far as I know the origin of Big Brother was German, not Dutch.

Dutch are very liberal but I doubt it would include chaining people against
their will and making fun of them in front ot TV, especially not in a
context where a heated contention already exist between the two parties.

There are certain things one can get away with in the context of a hidden
camera setting but the context is very different here. What you find "funny"
can bring anons in serious legal trouble and by all means make them look
exactly as scilons claims them to be.

peters...@gmail.com

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Jul 4, 2008, 1:21:39 AM7/4/08
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On 4 jul, 01:58, "Jonnie Tyler" <BarryPep...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "scientologate" <scientolog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

Big Brother really is originating from Holland: Endemol Productions
was the producer and they sold the format to other countries. They
produced also the German version.

Normally, when you get cuffed in front of a camera crew by people who
are obvious from a television program, you wouldn't panic, I think.
Not in the way you would panic when it was by the cops, I would say.
Yet, being a brainwashed OSA op, you have lost touch with reallity and
won't see the humor of it. It is something like Banana Split.

Peter

Jens Tingleff

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scientologate wrote:

> Today anonymous Holland set up an Epic event. For a new TV program
> "cuffed" the Head of OSA was set up to be handcuffed out on the
> street.

Oooh, I hope this isn't true. If there is such a rogram, I hope they get
stopped before something serious happens.

>
> However Julia Rijnvis by accident found out that she was going to be
> handcuffed in a second and ran away (while loud and wild screaming)
> into the nearby police departement.

I'm with Julia on that one.

Best Regards

Jens
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Jens Tingleff

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scientologate wrote:
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> By the way, recently an anonymous was help hostage in the "church" of
> scientology in Amsterdam.

And that was truly idiotic (on the part of the Anon), and anyone with an
ounce of sense told her that it was idiotic. The thread on enturb didn't
turn into a major show of support for her, or for the other Dutch
protesters/Anon present at that time. (Is that a hint? it's more likely
than you think!)

Best Regards

Jens

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Android Cat

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Jul 4, 2008, 2:09:53 AM7/4/08
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peters...@gmail.com wrote:

> Normally, when you get cuffed in front of a camera crew by people who
> are obvious from a television program, you wouldn't panic, I think.
> Not in the way you would panic when it was by the cops, I would say.
> Yet, being a brainwashed OSA op, you have lost touch with reallity and
> won't see the humor of it. It is something like Banana Split.

Umm, if people who didn't identify themselves as police officers following
procedure tried to grab me and cuff me against my will, I wouldn't see the
humour in that. Neither would they.

--
Ron of that ilk.

feministe

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Jul 4, 2008, 3:33:23 AM7/4/08
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"Jens Tingleff" <jens_t...@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de
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> scientologate wrote:
>>
>> By the way, recently an anonymous was help hostage in the "church" of
>> scientology in Amsterdam.
>
> And that was truly idiotic (on the part of the Anon), and anyone with an
> ounce of sense told her that it was idiotic. The thread on enturb didn't
> turn into a major show of support for her, or for the other Dutch
> protesters/Anon present at that time. (Is that a hint? it's more likely
> than you think!)


wondering if that's not a disguiised scientology loon rather than an anon?
Looks a set-up.

r

peters...@gmail.com

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Jul 4, 2008, 9:40:24 AM7/4/08
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I have phoned the KRO, the producer of the show, just a minute ago.
The program is still in the developing phase. They are not allowed to
give any information. However, when I suggested as to that people were
jumped upon and cuffed, he denied it strongly.

My conclusion: Julia Rijnvis at one moment realized she was going to
be in a television program, seconds before she was going to be cuffed.
She ran away, using her OT-powers (screaming). She didn't want to
appear in a TV-show.
That's all folks!

Peter

"When you move off a point of power, pay all your obligations on the
nail, empower all your friends completely and move off with your
pockets full of artillery, potential blackmail on every erstwhile
rival, unlimited funds in your private account and the addresses of
experienced assassins and go live in Bulgravia [sic] and bribe the
police."
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 12
February 1967, "The Responsibilities of Leaders"

http://www.scamofscientology.nl

Fredric L. Rice

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Jul 4, 2008, 11:17:13 AM7/4/08
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scientologate <scient...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>with the keys of the handcufs. The person will not be freed untill
>certain questions have been answered by the person chained.

When done without the person's permission, that's kidnapping and assault.
Do that in Los Angeles and you get a bullet in your head.

What a stupid stunt.

---

Anonymous

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Jul 4, 2008, 11:21:18 AM7/4/08
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KRO did this of _their_ own accord. Anon was not involved in this . .
they propably read on http://www.sektevrij.nl/ or http://forums.enturbulation.org/
that we were planning a raid.

I can safely say most Anons were as surprised as the Sci's at the
sight of Camera crew and comotion.

Jonnie Tyler

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How come there is no news of this on enturbulation.org? At least none that I
could find.

And where are the pics?

Pix or it didn't happen :-)

Jonnie Tyler

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OK - I jus found mention of it on enturbulation.org - it was on another
thread:

http://forums.enturbulation.org/22-local-events/operation-stat-crasher-amsterdam-july-3rd-20835/
"*) Dutch TV trying to handcuff the local head of OSA and failing. Local
head of OSA bawww's at police who tells her to stop moaning"

Fredric L. Rice

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Jul 4, 2008, 10:15:05 PM7/4/08
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Apparently is _did_not_ happen. It may be that a Scientology crook
ran screaming to a police station, but nobody would be stupid enough
to handcuff people on the street other than, well, insane Scientology
criminals.

---

peters...@gmail.com

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Jul 5, 2008, 12:01:28 AM7/5/08
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On 5 jul, 04:15, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
> "Jonnie Tyler" <BarryPep...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >"Anonymous" <scientologyru...@live.com> wrote in message

Well, the person I spoke on the phone when I called the KRO (producing
broadcaster) confirmed there was an incident with Julia Rijnvis. So it
DID happen as described. Point is: The show is in the starting phase,
which means that the first video's are being made but the format is
still subject to changes. Even the first broadcast date isn't set yet.
That is the reason you won't find anything about this show on their
website.

Peter

"We're playing for blood, the stake is EARTH."
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 7
November 1962

http://www.scamofscientology.nl

Jeta

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Piltdown Man wrote:

> <crosspost removed>

[Removed newsgroups added]


> peters...@gmail.com wrote...

[...]

>> My conclusion: Julia Rijnvis at one moment realized she was
>> going to be in a television program, seconds before she was
>> going to be cuffed.

> Whatever happened, if there's some tiny little grain of truth
> hidden somewhere in your steaming pile of shit, SHE WASN'T GOING
> TO BE CUFFED BY A TV CREW, you total moron.

Are you so sure about this that you have to shout? Well then, let
me tell you something: the TV crew was there to record the event of
a KRO reporter handcuffing _himself_ to Julia Rijnvis. Julia is
the director of Scientology's dirty tricks department in the
Netherlands (called the Office of Special Affairs), the KRO is a
Dutch national broadcasting corporation.

Have you noticed the difference between handcuffing someone, as has
been stated before, and handcuffing yourself to someone?

The formula of this program is that the reporter stays attached to
the person until he gives answers to questions he usually refuse
to give. One could, for example, ask Julia: "is this the core of
Scientology's secret upper level teachings?" (showing her a print
of the OT III story), next to a print of a court document where
Scientology claims to have the copyrights on that story.
Julia isn't "clear(tm)" yet (will take her twenty more years in
the cult I guess), so you can imagine her reaction. :)

I wonder what your reaction will be when some footage of this event
shows up on the net. Will you apologize and call yourself a "total
moron" then?


Jeta Eggers
Amsterdam
The Netherlands

--
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http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeta/scn//ot3/ot3.html

Jeta

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Jul 5, 2008, 3:15:12 AM7/5/08
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Piltdown Man wrote:

> <annoying crosspost once more deleted>

[Deleted appropriate newsgroups added]


[...]

> As long as one of the people carrying out such activities has a
> videocamera so that it can be shown on TV later it's all
> perfectly legal, and the Dutch police won't lift a finger.

Julia Rijnvis knew she was being interviewed by KRO (national TV
station).

And indeed, Dutch police did nothing. The TV crew even followed and
filmed her inside the police station where she filed a complaint.


[...]

> Because that is exactly what the people you describe as
> being from a KRO TV programme would be, if they did the things
> you [Peter] claim they did: a criminal gang. What's more, a gang
> that carried out their criminal activities in broad daylight,
> right on the doorstep of the Amsterdam police headquarters.

I will tell them this informed opinion from the famous Pulldown
Man. They will be impressed. :)


Jeta Eggers
Amsterdam
The Netherlands

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peters...@gmail.com

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> <crosspost removed>

> peterschi...@gmail.com wrote...


> > I have phoned the KRO, the producer of the show, just a minute ago.
> > The program is still in the developing phase. They are not allowed to
> > give any information. However, when I suggested as to that people were
> > jumped upon and cuffed, he denied it strongly.

> The sound you hear is that of a Dutchman on a bicycle, frantically
> back-pedalling.

> > My conclusion: Julia Rijnvis at one moment realized she was going to
> > be in a television program, seconds before she was going to be cuffed.

> Whatever happened, if there's some tiny little grain of truth hidden
> somewhere in your steaming pile of shit, SHE WASN'T GOING TO BE CUFFED BY A
> TV CREW, you total moron.

Moron? Did YOU do the effort to phone for information? No.
Did you speak to anyone from the producing broadcaster? No.
Do people get jumped upon and handcuffed? No.
But are they being handcuffed? YES! By a TV-crew? YES!
Had it something to do with Anonymous? No.
Get your head out of where ever you put it and READ.
And then come back and tell me about that steaming pile of shit you
are talking about.

Peter

"The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower
bands of the Tone Scale from the social order would result in an
almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the
dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered."
- L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170

http://www.scamofscientology.nl

Jens Tingleff

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Jeta wrote:

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> Piltdown Man wrote:
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>> <crosspost removed>
>
> [Removed newsgroups added]
>
>
>> peters...@gmail.com wrote...
>
> [...]
>
>>> My conclusion: Julia Rijnvis at one moment realized she was
>>> going to be in a television program, seconds before she was
>>> going to be cuffed.
>
>> Whatever happened, if there's some tiny little grain of truth
>> hidden somewhere in your steaming pile of shit, SHE WASN'T GOING
>> TO BE CUFFED BY A TV CREW, you total moron.
>
> Are you so sure about this that you have to shout? Well then, let
> me tell you something: the TV crew was there to record the event of
> a KRO reporter handcuffing _himself_ to Julia Rijnvis. Julia is
> the director of Scientology's dirty tricks department in the
> Netherlands (called the Office of Special Affairs), the KRO is a
> Dutch national broadcasting corporation.
>
> Have you noticed the difference between handcuffing someone, as has
> been stated before, and handcuffing yourself to someone?
>

Not speaking for Piltdown, I must say that this sounds like pretty darned
stupid TV, and I wish Julia every luck with her complaint to the police.

Best Regards

Jens

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peters...@gmail.com

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>
> > [...]
>
> >>> My conclusion: Julia Rijnvis at one moment realized she was
> >>> going to be in a television program, seconds before she was
> >>> going to be cuffed.
>
> >> Whatever happened, if there's some tiny little grain of truth
> >> hidden somewhere in your steaming pile of shit, SHE WASN'T GOING
> >> TO BE CUFFED BY A TV CREW, you total moron.
>
> > Are you so sure about this that you have to shout? Well then, let
> > me tell you something: the TV crew was there to record the event of
> > a KRO reporter handcuffing _himself_ to Julia Rijnvis. Julia is
> > the director of Scientology's dirty tricks department in the
> > Netherlands (called the Office of Special Affairs), the KRO is a
> > Dutch national broadcasting corporation.
>
> > Have you noticed the difference between handcuffing someone, as has
> > been stated before, and handcuffing yourself to someone?
>
> Not speaking for Piltdown, I must say that this sounds like pretty darned
> stupid TV, and I wish Julia every luck with her complaint to the police.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Jens
>
> - --
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O, I agree it is not the brightest thing to do, or that this program
is worth watching. There have been too many of that kind. That isn't
the point.

peters...@gmail.com

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> > Piltdown Man wrote:

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> >> peterschi...@gmail.com wrote...

> > [...]

> >>> My conclusion: Julia Rijnvis at one moment realized she was
> >>> going to be in a television program, seconds before she was
> >>> going to be cuffed.

> >> Whatever happened, if there's some tiny little grain of truth
> >> hidden somewhere in your steaming pile of shit, SHE WASN'T GOING
> >> TO BE CUFFED BY A TV CREW, you total moron.

> > Are you so sure about this that you have to shout? Well then, let
> > me tell you something: the TV crew was there to record the event of
> > a KRO reporter handcuffing _himself_ to Julia Rijnvis. Julia is
> > the director of Scientology's dirty tricks department in the
> > Netherlands (called the Office of Special Affairs), the KRO is a
> > Dutch national broadcasting corporation.

> > Have you noticed the difference between handcuffing someone, as has
> > been stated before, and handcuffing yourself to someone?

> Not speaking for Piltdown, I must say that this sounds like pretty darned
> stupid TV, and I wish Julia every luck with her complaint to the police.

> Best Regards

> Jens

> - --
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O, I agree it is not the brightest thing to do, or that this program

Jonnie Tyler

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This is not what your fellow anonymous "scientologate" said initially in the
message that started this thread:

http://groups.google.com/group/nl.scientology/browse_thread/thread/8e7cece206e44ac0


"Today anonymous Holland set up an Epic event. For a new TV program "cuffed"

the Head of OSA was set up to be handcuffed out on the street." ... "Well we

Eldon

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Jul 5, 2008, 7:04:54 AM7/5/08
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On Jul 5, 9:15 am, Jeta <j...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Piltdown Man wrote:
> > <annoying crosspost once more deleted>
>
> [Deleted appropriate newsgroups added]
>
> [...]
>
> > As long as one of the people carrying out such activities has a
> > videocamera so that it can be shown on TV later it's all
> > perfectly legal, and the Dutch police won't lift a finger.
>
> Julia Rijnvis knew she was being interviewed by KRO (national TV
> station).
>
> And indeed, Dutch police did nothing. The TV crew even followed and
> filmed her inside the police station where she filed a complaint.

Well, thanks for the clarification about how the show is produced,
Jeta. It does seem "edgy" in the sense of legality, but maybe in
Holland people can take that as more of a joke.

Bruticus Anonymous

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Jul 5, 2008, 7:18:10 AM7/5/08
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Indeed.. The idea of cuffing someone to yourself and not letting him/her go
untill he/she answered your questions , is a dream of every
reporter/journalist, but there are some legal issues. The cuffed person must
be notified before the cuffing session is started, else it is as illegal as
holding someone hostage! Therefor i think the producers of the show told
julia they going to cuff her, and she didn't like that at all..... and with
a little drama she ran to the police station.. trying to make this story in
favorite of scientology...


"Eldon" <Eldo...@aol.com> schreef in bericht
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Alexia Death

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Jul 5, 2008, 7:43:53 AM7/5/08
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On Jul 5, 2:18 pm, "Bruticus Anonymous" <A...@me.a.pirate> wrote:
> Indeed.. The idea of cuffing someone to yourself and not letting him/her go
> untill he/she answered your questions , is a dream of every
> reporter/journalist, but there are some legal issues. The cuffed person must
> be notified before the cuffing session is started, else it is as illegal as
> holding someone hostage! Therefor i think the producers of the show told
> julia they going to cuff her, and she didn't like that at all..... and with
> a little drama she ran to the police station.. trying to make this story in
> favorite of scientology...
>
> "Eldon" <EldonB...@aol.com> schreef in berichtnews:60cef142-abde-49de...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

Well, cuffing sombody to yourself is a bit more of a gray area. but I
can understand her running for cover. Trouble is, thats a retarded
reaction. All she had to do was say no and promise to sue. End of
game :)

Bruticus Anonymous

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Jul 5, 2008, 7:51:36 AM7/5/08
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yep.. indeed.. normallythey are so good in that sort of game...
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Fredric L. Rice

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Jul 5, 2008, 11:01:10 AM7/5/08
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peters...@gmail.com wrote:

>Well, the person I spoke on the phone when I called the KRO (producing
>broadcaster) confirmed there was an incident with Julia Rijnvis. So it
>DID happen as described.

I don't believe it for a second. There would have been news coverage
about it all over the world by now if it had actually happened.

---

peters...@gmail.com

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Jul 5, 2008, 11:07:08 AM7/5/08
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On 5 jul, 17:01, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:

Well, then don't believe it.

Fredric L. Rice

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Jul 5, 2008, 11:09:25 AM7/5/08
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Jeta <je...@xs4all.nl> wrote:

>Have you noticed the difference between handcuffing someone, as has
>been stated before, and handcuffing yourself to someone?

There is no significant difference insofar as the kidnapping and
imprisonment criminal acts are concerned. If this stunt had actually
happened, it would have been screamed on the mainstream media around
the world. Had it happened in Los Angeles, the stupid moron trying
to handcuff a Scientology crime boss would have been shot -- either
by citizens trying to save the kidnap victim or by police who just
_love_ to kill people for sport and just _itch_ for a reason.

>The formula of this program is that the reporter stays attached to
>the person until he gives answers to questions he usually refuse
>to give.

That's insane, not to mention criminal. The "reporter" would deserve
a knife in the guts for such a stupid, violently criminal act.

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Fredric L. Rice

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Jul 5, 2008, 11:11:09 AM7/5/08
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Jens Tingleff <jens_t...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Jeta wrote:
>> Have you noticed the difference between handcuffing someone, as has
>> been stated before, and handcuffing yourself to someone?
>Not speaking for Piltdown, I must say that this sounds like pretty darned
>stupid TV, and I wish Julia every luck with her complaint to the police.

I hope that the Scientology crook _does_ file criminal charges. It
would be an added benefit if the crook tries to implicate Anonymous
some how, though, since the resulting lulz would be epic. }:-}

---

Fredric L. Rice

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Jul 5, 2008, 11:14:56 AM7/5/08
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Jeta <je...@xs4all.nl> wrote:

>Piltdown Man wrote:
>> As long as one of the people carrying out such activities has a
>> videocamera so that it can be shown on TV later it's all
>> perfectly legal, and the Dutch police won't lift a finger.
>Julia Rijnvis knew she was being interviewed by KRO (national TV station).

That doesn't make kidnapping and imprisonment acceptable -- either in
the eyes of the law or in the eyes of polite society (which aren't
always the same thing.)

What's bizarre is the _why_ the KRO idiots thought they could get away
with something like this (if it happened at all.) Good fucking grief.
Imagine some Coca Cola salesmen also handcuffing people and interrogating
them -- it's such a stupid, stupid, criminal move, one that deserves a
violent defense by its victims.

---

peters...@gmail.com

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Jul 5, 2008, 11:59:38 AM7/5/08
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On 5 jul, 17:09, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:

Luckily we live in a country where the police isn't trigger happy, and
no people carry guns.
I do remember however student pranks that looked like a kidnapping and
where the students were arrested. But In those cases there was no
camera crew around, and the students were masked with balaclava's.
I see a slight difference here.

peters...@gmail.com

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Jul 5, 2008, 12:01:17 PM7/5/08
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On 5 jul, 17:14, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:

It seems you don't watch television much these days: There are plenty
programs like this one today on the tubes.

Hendrik Jan de Fluiter

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"Jeta" <je...@xs4all.nl> schreef in bericht
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>
> Piltdown Man wrote:
>
>> <annoying crosspost once more deleted>
>
> [Deleted appropriate newsgroups added]
>
>
> [...]
>
>> As long as one of the people carrying out such activities has a
>> videocamera so that it can be shown on TV later it's all
>> perfectly legal, and the Dutch police won't lift a finger.
>
> Julia Rijnvis knew she was being interviewed by KRO (national TV
> station).
>
> And indeed, Dutch police did nothing. The TV crew even followed and
> filmed her inside the police station where she filed a complaint.
>
>
> [...]
>
>> Because that is exactly what the people you describe as
>> being from a KRO TV programme would be, if they did the things
>> you [Peter] claim they did: a criminal gang. What's more, a gang
>> that carried out their criminal activities in broad daylight,
>> right on the doorstep of the Amsterdam police headquarters.

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Hendrik Jan de Fluiter

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This message from beyond the grave was brought to you by:
"Delirium tremens" Jeta Eggers!
Jeta Eggers
Wagenaarstraat 483
1093 CN Amsterdam
Telefoon: 020-6681789
IP nummer: 213.84.211.42:35450
je...@xs4all.nl

Alles over de man, die behalve Psychopaat ook Racist, Anti-Semiet,
en Seksist is. Alsof dat niet genoeg is, is hij ook (allemaal
aantoonbaar) een Spammer van jawelste, Alcoholist, dagelijks
drugsgebruiker, Plaatjesdief, Bedrieger en notoire Leugenaar.

Hij post meestal "Anonymous", maar we weten allemaal dat het

Jeta Eggers is, alias de "Zuipende Wietkabouter"!!!

Je kunt het allemaal lezen en zien op:

http://www.jeta-eggers.info/ (under construction)

http://www.freewebs.com/demislukte-clown

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28087616@N05/

http://www.chaos-en-gekte.nl

http://www.talkaboutculture.com/group/alt.psychotic/messages/2154.html

http://www.aboutus.org/Jeta-Eggers.info

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George Orwell

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Jul 5, 2008, 4:01:26 PM7/5/08
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"Hendrik Jan de Fluiter" <nospam at Fluitenmaar!> wrote:

[Snip of spam-libel and hearsay]

The message I'm replying to here was posted by:

Gerrit Wammes
van der Zandtstraat 12
6882 AZ Velp Gld
The Netherlands
universalflyer at gmail.com
hartjesland at hccnet.nl
IP's: 77.161.113.135, 86.90.111.77,

under one of his innumerable nicknames.


Mr. Wammes has many supernatural powers and channels a
spirit who is "far above God" according to his booklet. Like
high-level Scientologists he's convinced that he carries
zillions of souls of other human beings in his body, to whom
he is God. See:

http://www.gerrit-wammes.nl/Het%20Geheim%20der%20Goden.htm


Much about this self-appointed psychic, healer of cancer, and
Scientology alike imposter -including a picture- can be found
at (in Dutch):

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Hendrik Jan de Fluiter

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Jul 5, 2008, 4:06:55 PM7/5/08
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lol


Fredric L. Rice

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Jul 5, 2008, 7:09:11 PM7/5/08
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peters...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I don't believe it for a second. There would have been news coverage
>> about it all over the world by now if it had actually happened.
>Well, then don't believe it.

I don't believe anything.

---

Fredric L. Rice

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Jul 5, 2008, 7:11:06 PM7/5/08
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peters...@gmail.com wrote:
>On 5 jul, 17:14, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>> What's bizarre is the _why_ the KRO idiots thought they could get away
>> with something like this (if it happened at all.) Good fucking grief.
>> Imagine some Coca Cola salesmen also handcuffing people and interrogating
>> them -- it's such a stupid, stupid, criminal move, one that deserves a
>> violent defense by its victims.
>It seems you don't watch television much these days: There are plenty
>programs like this one today on the tubes.

Such as? You're right, I don't watch television. Commercial television
is tailored toward catering to morons.

---

scientologate

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Jul 5, 2008, 8:12:04 PM7/5/08
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On 5 jul, 07:02, "Jonnie Tyler" <BarryPep...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "Anonymous" <scientologyru...@live.com> wrote in message

>
> news:44fcdd7e-b2a3-4bf9...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > KRO did this of _their_ own accord. Anon was not involved in this . .
> > they propably read onhttp://www.sektevrij.nl/or
> >http://forums.enturbulation.org/
> > that we were planning a raid.
>
> > I can safely say most Anons were as surprised as the Sci's at the
> > sight of Camera crew and comotion.
>
> This is not what your fellow anonymous "scientologate" said initially in the
> message that started this thread:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/nl.scientology/browse_thread/thread/8e...

> "Today anonymous Holland set up an Epic event. For a new TV program "cuffed"
> the Head of OSA was set up to be handcuffed out on the street." ... "Well we
> have to think up a new Epic event now."

Jonnie,

I checked this with some anonymous people and it turned out to be
wrong, sorry about that.

Pieter

P.S. You watched this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw7fqjN3qhw

scientologate

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Jul 5, 2008, 8:14:29 PM7/5/08
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On 6 jul, 01:09, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:

Fine

Jonnie Tyler

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No - that was nasty and inappropriate, I would agree.

But the montage is nicely done and the music that goes with it great.

klau...@t-online.de

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"Hendrik Jan de Fluiter" <nospam@Fluitenmaar!> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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"Orwell" is sick.
Klaus Lynx


Fredric L. Rice

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Jul 6, 2008, 10:53:17 AM7/6/08
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scientologate <scient...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 6 jul, 01:09, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>> peterschi...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> I don't believe it for a second. =A0There would have been news coverage

>> >> about it all over the world by now if it had actually happened.
>> >Well, then don't believe it.
>> I don't believe anything.
>Fine

More than fine, not believing anything, relying upon evidence, is the
key to reason -- and a good way to avoid falling for criminal cults.

---

scientologate

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Jul 7, 2008, 3:13:00 PM7/7/08
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On 6 jul, 16:53, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:

Frederic, you got a point here. That was the reason I lost my 300.000
to them :(

Pieter

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