Wie is er gelukkiger, een theïst of een atheïst?
Eliyahu
http://wegvel.faithweb.com/JPhappiness.html
The secret to happiness
By ERICA CHERNOFSKY
Clinical psychologist Dr. Moshe Talmon has spent the last 30 years
asking people what's wrong - with their lives, their minds, their
marriages, their careers and anything and everything else one could
possibly complain about. He spent his days in his Tel Aviv practice
analyzing depression, anxiety, stress, anger, fear and schizophrenia,
and then one day he realized his job was taking a heavy toll on his
own mental health.
"My work as a psychologist was centered around what's bad about
people's lives," he says, "and I felt I needed to do something to
balance it. I needed to concentrate more on being content and happy."
That's when he discovered that psychologists in the US had been
sharing the same frustration and had already come up with a solution -
positive psychology, a revolutionary scientific approach that asks
"what's going right" rather than "what's going wrong."
Clinical psychology as a field had always generally focused on the
negative, on what's wrong and how to fix it. Practitioners had
patients examine their faults and delve deeply into traumatizing
memories in order to mend their broken spirits. But the idea behind
positive psychology is that in order to eliminate the negative, one
must first accentuate the positive.
The idea was launched in 1996, when Dr. Martin Seligman of the
University of Pennsylvania was elected president of the American
Psychological Association in a landslide vote. His aim as a
psychologist was to merge practice with science, and as president his
mission became exploring what he calls the area "north of zero."
"The field of psychology was only half-baked," Seligman said in a 1999
speech. "We had baked the part about mental illness; we had baked the
part about repair of damage. The other side's unbaked, the side of
strength, the side of what we're good at."
That side became the study of positive psychology, of positive
emotions, positive character traits and positive institutions,
building upon what had been learned about the dark side of the mind to
promote prevention and mental health.
The seeds for the field had been planted in the late 1980s, when
University of Illinois Prof. Dr. Edward Diener began to study
subjective well-being by defining, measuring and determining the
causes of life satisfaction, studies that have been illuminated by
Seligman's work.
"It's not enough to take people from minus five to zero," says
Harvard's positive psychology expert Tal Ben-Shahar. "It's not enough
to just get rid of depression. It may be a prerequisite, but there's
another step afterward, and that's where positive psychology comes
in."
The discipline focuses on cultivating positive emotions and traits
like strength, optimism and self-esteem with the goal of "not only
going from zero to five, but becoming more resilient and strengthening
the psychological immune system," he explains recently in a busy
Jerusalem cafe.
Now, the professor has left his cushy position at Harvard to return
home, citing family, friends and Zionism as his reasons. Hoping to
jump-start positive thinking here, Ben-Shahar's plans include teaching
positive psychology classes in local institutions.
POSITIVE PSYCHOLOGY has caught on quickly and is already being studied
in dozens of universities around the world. At Harvard, the class has
become the most popular at the Ivy League institution, with 850
students filling the lecture hall every semester to hear Ben-Shahar
teach what has been nicknamed "the course on happiness."
"It was fantastic," says Alia Crum, 23, a recent Harvard graduate who
signed up for the class after it was recommended by friends. "In a
place like Harvard you wouldn't expect a class on happiness, but you
can have all the intelligence in the world and if you don't have a
good sense of self-awareness, you won't get anywhere."
The class taught her to define her values and create a mission
statement for life, but what made it so spectacular, she says, was its
charismatic and articulate teacher.
Israeli born and raised, Ben-Shahar attended Harvard as a computer
science major. Popular, champion of the squash team and excelling in
his studies, he was nonetheless unhappy and couldn't figure out why.
So like any student searching for the meaning of life, he switched his
majors to philosophy and psychology, and slowly became happier as he
realized he had found his calling.
"Initially I had wanted to make myself happier," he says, "but when I
realized I actually was, I wanted to use what I had learned to make
others happier."
He returned to Harvard for graduate school and studied positive
psychology with Philip Stone, one of its founders. When he graduated,
Ben-Shahar took over Stone's class, which he designed to be both an
academic study and a practical application for students' lives.
Crum says Ben-Shahar's course actually changed her life, and as a
graduate student at Yale studying clinical psychology, she says she
wouldn't be where she is today without him. "It's a class on life,"
she says. "People love it because it's relevant, it's useful, it's
practical."
The class, like the field, deals with fostering joy, satisfaction,
motivation, love, compassion, surprise, hope, calm and generosity,
rather than scrutinizing the negative emotions upon which
psychopathology has been constructed.
In a clinical setting, that translates into focusing treatment on the
part of the glass that is half full, says Talmon, who has transformed
his practice to utilize the approach.
"That therapeutic hour with the patient is now much more therapeutic,"
he says. "The patients realize that what they can change in their
lives is drawn from their strength, their resilience, their positive
relationships. It's basically realizing that what can make us happy
comes from what we already have."
EVERYBODY WANTS to be happy, and statistics show that when asked, most
people say they are. But happiness isn't a one-time achievement,
explains Ben-Shahar, it's a lifetime pursuit, and the question "are
you happy," while well-meaning, is not helpful.
"People always ask me if I'm happy," he says in his signature relaxed
tone. "It's a difficult question to answer because it suggests a
binary approach - that we are either happy, or we're not. But
happiness is not the end of a process, it is a process. I constantly
work on becoming happier. So the more helpful question to ask is how
can I become happier?"
How, indeed; it's the million dollar question that every human being
would like the answer to, and through rigorous empirical research,
positive psychology is starting to provide some answers.
The first step is analyzing the happiest period of your life, says Ben-
Shahar, asking yourself when did I flourish, when did I thrive, and
then analyzing that time and figuring out what it was you were doing
that made you feel so fulfilled.
"People always analyze the bad things that happen and take for granted
the positive, and if we don't appreciate the positive, it will wither
and die," he warns.
The No. 1 predictor of well-being is interpersonal relationships, he
continues. People who have deep, intimate connections, whether with
friends, family or spouses, show higher degrees of happiness.
A 2002 study by Diener and Seligman found that "the most salient
characteristics shared by the 10 percent of students with the highest
levels of happiness and the fewest signs of depression were the strong
ties to family and friends and commitment to spending time with them."
"Word needs to be spread," says Diener. "It is important to work on
social skills, close interpersonal ties and social support in order to
be happy."
Positive psychologists also talk a lot about the mind-body connection.
Regular exercise, defined by Ben-Shahar as 30 minutes three times a
week, is vital and has an impact similar to that of the most powerful
psychiatric drugs on our well-being.
Meditating or doing yoga for even 15 minutes a day can actually change
the structure of the brain, he explains, shifting activity to the left
prefrontal cortex, proven for years to have high activity in happier
people.
"We don't have much time for physical activity or for family and
friends in our modern world," Ben-Shahar points out. "Most of us sit
in front of computer screens all day, and that's one of the reasons
why depression levels today are so high."
Worldwide depression levels are in fact 10 times higher than they were
in the 1960s, and a study completed in 2005 found that 75% of Israeli
schoolchildren reported having feelings of anxiety. A 2004 study found
that 29.5% of Israelis agreed with the statement "I feel depressed and
gloomy," with 29% also reporting they felt anxious and stressed. And
these numbers, say researchers, have only increased after last
summer's war in Lebanon.
But the 2004 study also noted that a sense of social support and
optimism about the future of the State of Israel significantly
contributed to traumatic stress resilience and less traumatic stress-
related symptoms.
SO IN A war-ravaged country like Israel, positive psychology couldn't
be more necessary.
"In an often difficult reality, such as the one we live in in Israel,
it's important to get out of the rut of only complaining, only
kvetching about what's wrong with our country," says Ben-Shahar.
Positive thinking, he says, is critical to make our society more
successful and prosperous.
"When you only focus on things that don't work, you create a reality
that doesn't work, whereas if you concentrate on what is working, you
can strengthen it and make it more resilient," he says, drawing a
parallel to difficulties in a marriage.
Fortunately for Israelis, one of the keys to becoming happier lies in
their own religious tradition, because religious people, notes Ben-
Shahar, are generally happier than non-religious people.
They believe in God and therefore have hope and feel there is meaning
and purpose to their lives, all of which are positive emotions. Along
with a greater sense of community, religious Jews also have more
social encounters in synagogue and during Shabbat meals with family
and friends. Keeping Shabbat as a day of rest once a week and actually
not doing any work is an anomaly in today's capitalistically driven
society, and significantly contributes to one's well-being and
effectiveness.
Furthermore, one of the most prominent features of Judaism is thanking
God, which is done from the moment one wakes and then throughout the
day, after eating, after going to the bathroom and until one goes to
sleep. A hundred prayers a day are said blessing God, and this
constant show of gratitude has psychological benefits in that it
obliges one to focus on the positive.
"There is an exercise I recommend that my students do every night
before going to bed," says Ben-Shahar. "Write down at least five
things you are thankful for." Taking out a little notebook from his
briefcase, he flips through the worn pages until he reaches the one he
used the night before, which reveals a scribbled list including God,
his wife, his son and seeing his infant daughter smile for the first
time.
"I do it every night," he adds. "People who regularly express
gratitude are more optimistic, more successful and happier." And in
speaking with him, and his students agree, it is clear that Ben-Shahar
exemplifies the principles he teaches and exudes a sense of
completion.
Positive psychology can be applied and integrated into every
institution - whether it be a marriage or a school - most of which
fail to nurture the wellsprings of happiness.
"In the past, when we failed, as fail we must, there was spiritual
furniture we could fall back on for consolation - our relationship to
God, our patriotism, extended families, community, and systematically
in the two generations in which depression has increased so
drastically, we've seen a waning of all these spiritual furnitures,"
Seligman said in a discussion on the Australian ABC radio network.
(Ironically, the father of positive psychology responded in a less
than positive manner to repeated requests to be interviewed for this
article, citing as a precondition that this journalist first read the
books he authored.)
But the point he makes is that positive psychology is universally
invaluable today, a sensitive time in which modern technology is
replacing the things that truly matter and make us happy.
"Positive psychology is extremely important for a simple reason," says
Talmon. "To make life worth living, people should understand what
really makes them happier and what makes them happier beyond the
immediate pleasure of eating good food or having good sex."
"Happiness is much more than the American dream of a large house, a
boat and a fancy car," says Jonathan Doochin, one of Ben-Shahar's
former students at Harvard. "It is enjoying every day and making sure
one surrounds himself with the things that are meaningful. Positive
psychology cuts away the fa ade of the societally idealized version of
happiness through a fact-based approach to what actually drives people
to be happy in life."
BUT DOES IT really work? Or is it just like the hundreds, if not
thousands, of self-help books promising to make you happy by the time
you turn the last page?
"Positive psychology is not a Pollyanna, happy-go-lucky, everything's
wonderful approach," explains Ben-Shahar. "It's tied to reality. It
relies on science."
This is unlike the self-help movement, he continues, which is only
partially based on research and is mostly based on ideas - albeit
interesting ones - that haven't always been tested using the
scientific method.
Despite lacking a deep academic grounding, the self-help movement and
programs along the lines of Landmark Education dominated the market of
making people happier and more effective until 1998 and the birth of
positive psychology. The movement had charisma and accessibility, but
very often, says Ben-Shahar, "it over-promised and under-delivered"
because it didn't have the rigorous, empirical foundation of academic
research.
"The average academic journal isn't read by many people," he says.
"Positive psychology creates a bridge between the ivory tower and the
main street, bridging academia and the self-help movement."
So while it's not easy to make people happier, it's certainly possible
- or, more accurately, he says, it's possible to help people learn how
to make themselves happier.
While most Israeli experts in the field of psychology remain unaware
of the relatively new approach, and those who do know about it seem
thrilled it's coming to Israel, the US media has on occasion condemned
it as a cultish program or a load of happy hoo-ha, and even Ben-
Shahar's colleagues at Harvard have expressed disregard.
"He did get a lot of anguish from other professors," says Crum. "And
there's a tendency for people to poke fun because it seems trite or
superficial. Its almost like it's too practical for people to handle."
But anyone who doesn't believe it should just try it for themselves,
says Dr. Danny Brom, director of the Israel Center for the Treatment
of Psychotrauma at Herzog Hospital. Even for people who are already
happy, there are still numerous obstacles to contend with that
threaten their levels of happiness.
"A majority of people say they're happy," he admits. "But if you ask
them if they're also anxious, stressed and depressed sometimes,
they'll say yes."
Brom has recently begun using the positive psychology principles of
emotional resilience in his clinical work, and says it's high time
positive psychology arrived in the academic arena here.
"Psychologists have realized that focusing only on the bad things is
not really helpful," he says, noting that in a society under
continuous stress like Israel, it is even more important to employ the
resilience approach to help people remain functional.
"In times of severe stress and threats, individual therapy that
focuses on the problems isn't the treatment of choice, because during
a crisis you need to survive," he says, referring to this summer's war
in Lebanon as a prime example. "The whole community up North needed to
be worked with [during last summer's war], and these approaches work
on the large scale. The positive psychology approach helps people
maintain hope, an optimistic outlook for the future, a physical
balance and allows people to deal with everything that's happening."
In contrast, he comments that in Palestinian society, there is not a
lot of resilience work being done and depression levels are very, very
high. In these populations living under a perpetual emotional strain,
he says, there is a serious danger of losing hope completely.
Talmon echoes Brom's analysis and says the approach will catch on
quickly here because of its extreme necessity.
"Much of the Israeli existence is geared toward very catastrophic
scenarios," he says. "With the security threat, the existential threat
and a culture based on the Holocaust and persecution, life here is
geared more toward preparing for the worst rather than hoping for the
best."
BEN-SHAHAR IS determined to change that victimized consciousness, and,
says Talmon, "he's going to make a big difference here." In less than
two months, Ben-Shahar's new book, Happier, will be released here, and
next year, he will begin teaching at the Interdisciplinary Center in
Herzliya, with plans to eventually make the IDC "a world-class
positive psychology center that will offer classes for students,
educators and leaders."
"We have a problem with leadership in this country, and in fact all
over the world," says Ben-Shahar. "Israelis are too apologetic. We
don't need to apologize for surviving. We have so many virtues, we
have achieved so much with so little as a people, and we need to be
proud of it and not focus on how we are the victims, on how
downtrodden we are or how bad we are. Too many Israelis have put on
the distorted lens of the UN or the EU or the Arabs, instead of seeing
us for what we truly are. We need to stand up proudly, demand what is
ours and stop apologizing. That's what I would like to see from Israel
and the Jews."
As one of the founders of the David Project Center for Jewish
Leadership, which works to promote a fair understanding of the Arab-
Israeli conflict and develop leaders to counter the ideological
assault on Israel, Ben-Shahar strives to bring about positive change -
in both well-being and hasbara - through positive leadership.
"Positive psychology and hasbara are very intimately connected," he
says. "What I do is try to protect the self-evident values of life,
liberty and the pursuit of happiness. As I see it, my work in hasbara
is about life and liberty, and my work in positive psychology is about
the pursuit of happiness. Without life and liberty, we can't pursue
happiness."
As a lecturer at Harvard, Ben-Shahar authored numerous articles
attacking Islamic fundamentalism and jihad in addition to his studies
on positive psychology. People would often Google his name, he
recalls, and assume there were two different Tal Ben-Shahars at the
university.
"They couldn't reconcile the two ideas, because positive psychology is
all about smiles and well-being, which seems to be the polar opposite
of war," he says. "But really, they're just two sides of the same
coin. We first have to secure our life and our liberty and only then
can we pursue happiness. And that's what I want to do - educate the
future leaders of the world, and make the world happier."
Ben-Shahar's six lessons on happiness
1. Give yourself permission to be human. When we accept emotions -
such as fear, sadness or anxiety - as natural, we are more likely to
overcome them. Rejecting our emotions, positive or negative, leads to
frustration and unhappiness.
We are a culture obsessed with pleasure and believe that the mark of a
worthy life is the absence of discomfort; and when we experience pain,
we take it to indicate that something must be wrong with us. In fact,
there is something wrong with us if we don't experience sadness or
anxiety at times. The paradox is that when we accept our feelings -
when we give ourselves the permission to be human and experience
painful emotions - we are more likely to open ourselves up to positive
emotions.
2. Happiness lies at the intersection between pleasure and meaning.
Whether at work or at home, the goal is to engage in activities that
are both personally significant and enjoyable. When this is not
feasible, make sure you have happiness boosters, moments throughout
the week that provide you with both pleasure and meaning. Research
shows that an hour or two of a meaningful and pleasurable experience
can affect the quality of an entire day or even a whole week.
3. Keep in mind that happiness is mostly dependent on our state of
mind, not on our status or the state of our bank account. Barring
extreme circumstances, our level of well-being is determined by what
we choose to focus on and by our interpretation of external events.
For example, do we focus on the empty part or the full part of the
glass? Do we view failures as catastrophic, or do we see them as a
learning opportunities?
4. Simplify! We are, generally, too busy, trying to squeeze more and
more activities into less and less time. Quantity influences quality,
and we compromise on our happiness by trying to do too much. Knowing
when to say no to others often means saying yes to ourselves.
5. Remember the mind-body connection. What we do - or don't do - with
our bodies influencees our mind. Regular exercise, adequate sleep and
healthy eating habits lead to both physical and mental health.
6. Express gratitude, whenever possible. We too often take our lives
for granted. Learn to appreciate and savor the wonderful things in
life, from people to food, from nature to a smile.
Eliyahu
Voor degenen die het artikel wat te lang vinden om helemaal door te
lezen, hier is de paragraaf waar het om gaat:
"Fortunately for Israelis, one of the keys to becoming happier lies in
their own religious tradition, because religious people, notes Ben-
Shahar, are generally happier than non-religious people.
They believe in God and therefore have hope and feel there is meaning
and purpose to their lives, all of which are positive emotions. Along
with a greater sense of community, religious Jews also have more
social encounters in synagogue and during Shabbat meals with family
and friends. Keeping Shabbat as a day of rest once a week and actually
not doing any work is an anomaly in today's capitalistically driven
society, and significantly contributes to one's well-being and
effectiveness."
Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
Eliyahu
Orac
Eliyahu
> Niet relevant.
Bs'd
Voor jouw misschien niet. Voor anderen wel.
Eliyahu
Ruud66
"Orac" <bonde...@zoggi.nl> wrote in message
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> Niet relevant.
Je bedoelt: Geen benul maakt gelukkig?
R
MK
86235d...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>
>
Wat zei Marx alweer? Iets met opium?
K
--
"To first order everything is linear"
evert
> Bs'd
>
> http://wegvel.faithweb.com/JPhappiness.html
>
> The secret to happiness
> By ERICA CHERNOFSKY
<knip lulverhaal.>
Who the fuck is Erica Chernofsky?
Iedereen kan wel een dergelijk lulverhaal schrijven.
Betekent nog niet dat dat waar zou zijn.
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<> groet, Evert <>
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De auto is een onmisbaar hulpmiddel bij het zoeken naar een parkeerplaats.
evert
> Bs'd
>
> Voor degenen die het artikel wat te lang vinden om helemaal door te
> lezen, hier is de paragraaf waar het om gaat:
<knip het verkorte lulverhaal>
neorg
> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
Blij met een dooie mus.
--
victor
Eliyahu
> "Orac" <bonderbi...@zoggi.nl> wrote in message
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> news:dcff2$4b38c9d2$5350ca4e$23...@cache6.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
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> > Niet relevant.
>
> Je bedoelt: Geen benul maakt gelukkig?
Bs'd
Doet het er wat toe wat gelukkig maakt? Zolang je maar gelukkig
bent.
Eliyahu
Eliyahu
> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> wrote in news:f01306c7-1d93-4c51-a240-
> 86235dcbb...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
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>
>
> > Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>
> Wat zei Marx alweer? Iets met opium?
Bs'd
neorg
Kun jij gelukkig zijn als anderen zinloos moeten lijden?
--
victor
Gabriel Kuonen
> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
> > Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>
> Blij met een dooie mus.
Bs'd
Beter blij dan depressief.
Eliyahu
Gabriel Kuonen
> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
> > On Dec 29, 2:30 am, MK <n...@masterkbe.cjb.net> wrote:
> >> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:f01306c7-1d93-4c51-a240
> > -
> >> 86235dcbb...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>
> >> Wat zei Marx alweer? Iets met opium?
>
> > Bs'd
>
> > Zolang je maar gelukkig bent.
>
> Kun jij gelukkig zijn als anderen zinloos moeten lijden?
Bs'd
Ik kan blij zijn want ik geloof niet dat er zinloos lijden bestaat.
Eliyahu
paai
heeft gezien en goedgekeurd...
MK
824d-ef9...@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
> Bs'd
>
> Ik kan blij zijn want ik geloof niet dat er zinloos lijden bestaat.
>
>
> Eliyahu
>
>
Wat zei Marx ook al weer? Iets met opium?
(En los daarvan, ik denk dat jij knettergek bent. Maar ik wil dat hier niet
schrijven want dat zou op de man spelen zijn.)
neorg
neorg
Gabriel Kuonen
> Gabriel Kuonen <gavriel1...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 29, 2:52 am, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> >> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
> >>> On Dec 29, 2:30 am, MK <n...@masterkbe.cjb.net> wrote:
> >>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>>> news:f01306c7-1d93-4c51-a240
> >>> -
> >>>> 86235dcbb...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>>>> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>
> >>>> Wat zei Marx alweer? Iets met opium?
>
> >>> Bs'd
>
> >>> Zolang je maar gelukkig bent.
>
> >> Kun jij gelukkig zijn als anderen zinloos moeten lijden?
>
> > Bs'd
>
> > Ik kan blij zijn want ik geloof niet dat er zinloos lijden bestaat.
>
> Wat is dan de zin van lijden?
Bs'd
Lijden wist zonden uit. Dus nadat iemand uitgeleden is is hij zonder
zonden en kan hij direkt door naar het paradijs.
Eliyahu
Gabriel Kuonen
>
> > On Dec 29, 2:44 am, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> >> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
> >>> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>
> >> Blij met een dooie mus.
>
> > Bs'd
>
> > Beter blij dan depressief.
>
> Waarom is dat beter?
Bs'd
Blij zijn is een veel prettiger gevoel dan depressief zijn.
Het is ook veel beter voor je gezondheid.
Eliyahu
Gabriel Kuonen
Bs'd
Of ben jij liever depressief dan gelukkig?
Eliyahu
Bellende Belhamel
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> Bs'd
>
> http://wegvel.faithweb.com/JPhappiness.html
>
> The secret to happiness
> By ERICA CHERNOFSKY
>
> Clinical psychologist Dr. Moshe Talmon has spent the last 30 years
> asking people what's wrong - with their lives, their minds, their
> marriages, their careers and anything and everything else one could
> possibly complain about. He spent his days in his Tel Aviv practice
> analyzing depression, anxiety, stress, anger, fear and schizophrenia,
> and then one day he realized his job was taking a heavy toll on his
> own mental health.
>
> "My work as a psychologist was centered around what's bad about
> people's lives," he says, "and I felt I needed to do something to
> balance it. I needed to concentrate more on being content and happy."
>
> That's when he discovered that psychologists in the US had been
> sharing the same frustration and had already come up with a solution -
> positive psychology, a revolutionary scientific approach that asks
> "what's going right" rather than "what's going wrong."
>
> Clinical psychology as a field had always generally focused on the
> negative, on what's wrong and how to fix it. Practitioners had
> patients examine their faults and delve deeply into traumatizing
> memories in order to mend their broken spirits. But the idea behind
> positive psychology is that in order to eliminate the negative, one
> must first accentuate the positive.
Yep, you are still breathing, so there is still hope.
That is how I fix my car too, I first go look at all the systems that still
function
and that makes me so happy that I don't care about the thing that doesn`t
work
and I wait there forever being happy that so much of my car still works.
Ignoring what doesn`t work and that makes me so happy.
That is what happened here, ignoring the problems that newcomers gave and
look at the positive, until you can`t ignore the big festering wound that
starts
to rot and gangreen sets in, then you have to act, but don`t forget, before
that you were happy.
> The idea was launched in 1996, when Dr. Martin Seligman of the
> University of Pennsylvania was elected president of the American
> Psychological Association in a landslide vote. His aim as a
> psychologist was to merge practice with science, and as president his
> mission became exploring what he calls the area "north of zero."
>
> "The field of psychology was only half-baked," Seligman said in a 1999
> speech. "We had baked the part about mental illness; we had baked the
> part about repair of damage. The other side's unbaked, the side of
> strength, the side of what we're good at."
>
> That side became the study of positive psychology, of positive
> emotions, positive character traits and positive institutions,
> building upon what had been learned about the dark side of the mind to
> promote prevention and mental health.
>
> The seeds for the field had been planted in the late 1980s, when
> University of Illinois Prof. Dr. Edward Diener began to study
> subjective well-being by defining, measuring and determining the
> causes of life satisfaction, studies that have been illuminated by
> Seligman's work.
>
> "It's not enough to take people from minus five to zero," says
> Harvard's positive psychology expert Tal Ben-Shahar. "It's not enough
> to just get rid of depression. It may be a prerequisite, but there's
> another step afterward, and that's where positive psychology comes
> in."
Yeah right and all the pharmaceutical companies are going to allow that?
I mean, they make a fortune of unhappy people.
> The discipline focuses on cultivating positive emotions and traits
> like strength, optimism and self-esteem with the goal of "not only
> going from zero to five, but becoming more resilient and strengthening
> the psychological immune system," he explains recently in a busy
> Jerusalem cafe.
Yep become an ignorant fool, ignore everything that doesn`t go with
your own believes, and the world is perfect.
> Now, the professor has left his cushy position at Harvard to return
> home, citing family, friends and Zionism as his reasons. Hoping to
> jump-start positive thinking here, Ben-Shahar's plans include teaching
> positive psychology classes in local institutions.
>
> POSITIVE PSYCHOLOGY has caught on quickly and is already being studied
> in dozens of universities around the world. At Harvard, the class has
> become the most popular at the Ivy League institution, with 850
> students filling the lecture hall every semester to hear Ben-Shahar
> teach what has been nicknamed "the course on happiness."
Yep, happiness in a can.
> "It was fantastic," says Alia Crum, 23, a recent Harvard graduate who
> signed up for the class after it was recommended by friends. "In a
> place like Harvard you wouldn't expect a class on happiness, but you
> can have all the intelligence in the world and if you don't have a
> good sense of self-awareness, you won't get anywhere."
Anyone who is selfaware, should be depressed, if not, he is not selfaware
;o)
> The class taught her to define her values and create a mission
> statement for life, but what made it so spectacular, she says, was its
> charismatic and articulate teacher.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH a charismatic leader with a mission.
Forced happiness, yep we have had several of those in our history.
And mostly the end result was worse then the starting position.
> Israeli born and raised, Ben-Shahar attended Harvard as a computer
> science major. Popular, champion of the squash team and excelling in
> his studies, he was nonetheless unhappy and couldn't figure out why.
Because he was unhappy?
> So like any student searching for the meaning of life, he switched his
> majors to philosophy and psychology, and slowly became happier as he
> realized he had found his calling.
Yep, he wanted to be God, and postions like these give you the feeling you
are God.
You feel superior, and the piece of paper at the end of the course tells you
you are now a God.
the other road is the justice system, become a judge and you are God again.
> "Initially I had wanted to make myself happier," he says, "but when I
> realized I actually was, I wanted to use what I had learned to make
> others happier."
Yep, what makes me happy makes others happy, euh? No that doesn`t work that
way.
although entire religions and political systems are based on this
assumption.
> He returned to Harvard for graduate school and studied positive
> psychology with Philip Stone, one of its founders. When he graduated,
> Ben-Shahar took over Stone's class, which he designed to be both an
> academic study and a practical application for students' lives.
>
> Crum says Ben-Shahar's course actually changed her life, and as a
> graduate student at Yale studying clinical psychology, she says she
> wouldn't be where she is today without him. "It's a class on life,"
> she says. "People love it because it's relevant, it's useful, it's
> practical."
Yep it is so hard to be happy with a more then sufficient income.
> The class, like the field, deals with fostering joy, satisfaction,
> motivation, love, compassion, surprise, hope, calm and generosity,
> rather than scrutinizing the negative emotions upon which
> psychopathology has been constructed.
So they are not busy with problems of the patients, but with their own
happiness, you can find those here too, in the reintegration sector.
Another place where you can achieve a God like status.
> In a clinical setting, that translates into focusing treatment on the
> part of the glass that is half full, says Talmon, who has transformed
> his practice to utilize the approach.
>
> "That therapeutic hour with the patient is now much more therapeutic,"
> he says. "The patients realize that what they can change in their
> lives is drawn from their strength, their resilience, their positive
> relationships. It's basically realizing that what can make us happy
> comes from what we already have."
If what we already have makes us happy, then why aren`t we happy?
> EVERYBODY WANTS to be happy, and statistics show that when asked, most
> people say they are. But happiness isn't a one-time achievement,
> explains Ben-Shahar, it's a lifetime pursuit, and the question "are
> you happy," while well-meaning, is not helpful.
No I am not happy, I look around me at what I have, and I am still not happy
;o)
> "People always ask me if I'm happy," he says in his signature relaxed
> tone. "It's a difficult question to answer because it suggests a
> binary approach - that we are either happy, or we're not. But
> happiness is not the end of a process, it is a process. I constantly
> work on becoming happier. So the more helpful question to ask is how
> can I become happier?"
So you are happy with persuing happiness.
Yep the donkey that follows the carrot on a fishingline in front of him.
> How, indeed; it's the million dollar question that every human being
> would like the answer to, and through rigorous empirical research,
> positive psychology is starting to provide some answers.
many people can be unhappy just because of chemical inbalances in
the brain, and no amount of positive "tjakka" speeches can do anything for
them.
> The first step is analyzing the happiest period of your life, says Ben-
> Shahar, asking yourself when did I flourish, when did I thrive, and
> then analyzing that time and figuring out what it was you were doing
> that made you feel so fulfilled.
I was ignorant of the truth about this world. The only way to achieve that
again
is a lobotomy, huge amounts of alcohol or drugs, or a self induced coma.
> "People always analyze the bad things that happen and take for granted
> the positive, and if we don't appreciate the positive, it will wither
> and die," he warns.
well it is a scale, if more negative then positive is on your scales
no amount of self deluding yourself will help.
> The No. 1 predictor of well-being is interpersonal relationships, he
> continues. People who have deep, intimate connections, whether with
> friends, family or spouses, show higher degrees of happiness.
It could be the other way round, because they are so happy they have those.
Who wants to be around a grumpy.
> A 2002 study by Diener and Seligman found that "the most salient
> characteristics shared by the 10 percent of students with the highest
> levels of happiness and the fewest signs of depression were the strong
> ties to family and friends and commitment to spending time with them."
Hahahaha, if i spend more time with my family, we kill eachother.
hahahaha.
> "Word needs to be spread," says Diener. "It is important to work on
> social skills, close interpersonal ties and social support in order to
> be happy."
Yep say that to the dpressed shutouts that get teased or
through school. Now you are going to say that it is all their own fault.
Ah, but what is new.
> Positive psychologists also talk a lot about the mind-body connection.
> Regular exercise, defined by Ben-Shahar as 30 minutes three times a
> week, is vital and has an impact similar to that of the most powerful
> psychiatric drugs on our well-being.
Yeah, let him try my work, more exercise then those stingy 30 minutes
and more stress than all his mental patients together.
I ca hardly find the time to exercise after my work.
> Meditating or doing yoga for even 15 minutes a day can actually change
> the structure of the brain, he explains, shifting activity to the left
> prefrontal cortex, proven for years to have high activity in happier
> people.
yep, try that when you didn`t get enough sleep.
> "We don't have much time for physical activity or for family and
> friends in our modern world," Ben-Shahar points out. "Most of us sit
> in front of computer screens all day, and that's one of the reasons
> why depression levels today are so high."
No they were high beforre the computers too, come on.
how many nerves breakdowns did we have before we called them
burn outs. (and some other names in between for that too)
> Worldwide depression levels are in fact 10 times higher than they were
> in the 1960s, and a study completed in 2005 found that 75% of Israeli
> schoolchildren reported having feelings of anxiety. A 2004 study found
> that 29.5% of Israelis agreed with the statement "I feel depressed and
> gloomy," with 29% also reporting they felt anxious and stressed. And
> these numbers, say researchers, have only increased after last
> summer's war in Lebanon.
Lets take workpressure into account too. But they don`t wanna do
that ofcourse, no, it can`t be the workpressure.
> But the 2004 study also noted that a sense of social support and
> optimism about the future of the State of Israel significantly
> contributed to traumatic stress resilience and less traumatic stress-
> related symptoms.
Yep socialism is out, individualism is in.
So we are all on our own, we don`t give a shit about the other,
hell we don`t have the time for it, we are eachothers competitors
that is good for business, but maybe not for our well being.
> SO IN A war-ravaged country like Israel, positive psychology couldn't
> be more necessary.
>
> "In an often difficult reality, such as the one we live in in Israel,
> it's important to get out of the rut of only complaining, only
> kvetching about what's wrong with our country," says Ben-Shahar.
> Positive thinking, he says, is critical to make our society more
> successful and prosperous.
yep ignore the things that are wromg and you feel a lot happier.
Until it bites you in the ass, like is happening here.
> "When you only focus on things that don't work, you create a reality
> that doesn't work, whereas if you concentrate on what is working, you
> can strengthen it and make it more resilient," he says, drawing a
> parallel to difficulties in a marriage.
yep ignore what doesn`t work, ignore your pain, take a happy pill.
And eventually the pain will evolve into a problem which can no longer be
ignored.
But usually, it is too late by then.
> Fortunately for Israelis, one of the keys to becoming happier lies in
> their own religious tradition, because religious people, notes Ben-
> Shahar, are generally happier than non-religious people.
Yep, ignore the truth, and build your own little world and you will be
happy.
> They believe in God and therefore have hope and feel there is meaning
> and purpose to their lives, all of which are positive emotions.
Yep they usually have no clue what that is, but who cares, it is the carrot
on a stick, and eventually, they will reach heaven, the happy place.
So they are happy because they are going to the happy place, chant all day
blocking out every thought, (prare), we are on our way to the happy place ,
follow us
to the happy place. All who don`t believe we kill, for they disturb our
happy thoughts
happy thoughts for God kills all of the nonbelievers and let them rot in
hell the worst place
imaginable, serves them right, lalalalalalala, we are on our way to the
happy place.
hahahahha.
> Along
> with a greater sense of community,
Yep, I know some jehiva witnesses who are so happy they are out of the
community, you won`t believe it.
> religious Jews also have more
> social encounters in synagogue and during Shabbat meals with family
> and friends. Keeping Shabbat as a day of rest once a week and actually
> not doing any work is an anomaly in today's capitalistically driven
> society, and significantly contributes to one's well-being and
> effectiveness.
Or it is a source of personal oppression, conform or you will suffer.
> Furthermore, one of the most prominent features of Judaism is thanking
> God, which is done from the moment one wakes and then throughout the
> day,
Hare krishna rama rama, sing and dance with uis for we are the shiny happy
people
telling ourselves 24/7 that we are happy.
> after eating, after going to the bathroom and until one goes to
> sleep.
I don`t want to thank him, I want to cut his balls off.
praise the lord.praise the lord, fuck that. he is the one who made this
piece
of shit.
> A hundred prayers a day are said blessing God, and this
> constant show of gratitude has psychological benefits in that it
> obliges one to focus on the positive.
Mindless chanting, or basically, selfhypnoses.
> "There is an exercise I recommend that my students do every night
> before going to bed," says Ben-Shahar. "Write down at least five
> things you are thankful for." Taking out a little notebook from his
> briefcase, he flips through the worn pages until he reaches the one he
> used the night before, which reveals a scribbled list including God,
> his wife, his son and seeing his infant daughter smile for the first
> time.
I don`t wanna thank him, I want to kill him.
That fuck refuses to uncreate me now for 3 years.
> "I do it every night," he adds. "People who regularly express
> gratitude are more optimistic, more successful and happier." And in
> speaking with him, and his students agree, it is clear that Ben-Shahar
> exemplifies the principles he teaches and exudes a sense of
> completion.
Yep, that is our task in life, praise the lord, while he is a blundering
idiot.
> Positive psychology can be applied and integrated into every
> institution - whether it be a marriage or a school - most of which
> fail to nurture the wellsprings of happiness.
Yep selfdelusion always works wonders, until it is too late.
> "In the past, when we failed, as fail we must, there was spiritual
> furniture we could fall back on for consolation - our relationship to
> God, our patriotism, extended families, community, and systematically
> in the two generations in which depression has increased so
> drastically, we've seen a waning of all these spiritual furnitures,"
> Seligman said in a discussion on the Australian ABC radio network.
> (Ironically, the father of positive psychology responded in a less
> than positive manner to repeated requests to be interviewed for this
> article, citing as a precondition that this journalist first read the
> books he authored.)
My god, I smell the birth of a new theocracy.
> But the point he makes is that positive psychology is universally
> invaluable today, a sensitive time in which modern technology is
> replacing the things that truly matter and make us happy.
Yep selfdelusion is very powerfull.
> "Positive psychology is extremely important for a simple reason," says
> Talmon. "To make life worth living, people should understand what
> really makes them happier and what makes them happier beyond the
> immediate pleasure of eating good food or having good sex."
Well, I know about atleast a billion people who would be really happy with
that.
> "Happiness is much more than the American dream of a large house, a
> boat and a fancy car,"
Some won't even reach that. Some? Most.
> says Jonathan Doochin, one of Ben-Shahar's
> former students at Harvard. "It is enjoying every day and making sure
> one surrounds himself with the things that are meaningful. Positive
> psychology cuts away the fa ade of the societally idealized version of
> happiness through a fact-based approach to what actually drives people
> to be happy in life."
Yep, go preach nthat in the ghetto, I am ssure they won`t tear you apart,
> BUT DOES IT really work? Or is it just like the hundreds, if not
> thousands, of self-help books promising to make you happy by the time
> you turn the last page?
>
> "Positive psychology is not a Pollyanna, happy-go-lucky, everything's
> wonderful approach," explains Ben-Shahar. "It's tied to reality. It
> relies on science."
Oh yes, I have seen that it does. ;o)
> This is unlike the self-help movement, he continues, which is only
> partially based on research and is mostly based on ideas - albeit
> interesting ones - that haven't always been tested using the
> scientific method.
>
> Despite lacking a deep academic grounding, the self-help movement and
> programs along the lines of Landmark Education dominated the market of
> making people happier and more effective until 1998 and the birth of
> positive psychology. The movement had charisma and accessibility, but
> very often, says Ben-Shahar, "it over-promised and under-delivered"
> because it didn't have the rigorous, empirical foundation of academic
> research.
>
> "The average academic journal isn't read by many people," he says.
> "Positive psychology creates a bridge between the ivory tower and the
> main street, bridging academia and the self-help movement."
>
> So while it's not easy to make people happier, it's certainly possible
> - or, more accurately, he says, it's possible to help people learn how
> to make themselves happier.
Yep selfdelusion, selfhypnosis, yep they all work.
Until the problems become to great to ignore them.
> While most Israeli experts in the field of psychology remain unaware
> of the relatively new approach, and those who do know about it seem
> thrilled it's coming to Israel, the US media has on occasion condemned
> it as a cultish program or a load of happy hoo-ha, and even Ben-
> Shahar's colleagues at Harvard have expressed disregard.
>
> "He did get a lot of anguish from other professors," says Crum. "And
> there's a tendency for people to poke fun because it seems trite or
> superficial. Its almost like it's too practical for people to handle."
>
> But anyone who doesn't believe it should just try it for themselves,
> says Dr. Danny Brom, director of the Israel Center for the Treatment
> of Psychotrauma at Herzog Hospital. Even for people who are already
> happy, there are still numerous obstacles to contend with that
> threaten their levels of happiness.
>
> "A majority of people say they're happy," he admits. "But if you ask
> them if they're also anxious, stressed and depressed sometimes,
> they'll say yes."
So what? I feel tired too sometimes, it is part of life.
> Brom has recently begun using the positive psychology principles of
> emotional resilience in his clinical work, and says it's high time
> positive psychology arrived in the academic arena here.
>
> "Psychologists have realized that focusing only on the bad things is
> not really helpful," he says, noting that in a society under
> continuous stress like Israel, it is even more important to employ the
> resilience approach to help people remain functional.
Ignore your bad childhood, look at what you have now, be happy.
Like thoe deep rooted problems go away if you ignore them, oh they do
just like with drugs, you suppress them, but eventually they are going
to bite you in the ass,.
> "In times of severe stress and threats, individual therapy that
> focuses on the problems isn't the treatment of choice, because during
> a crisis you need to survive," he says, referring to this summer's war
> in Lebanon as a prime example. "The whole community up North needed to
> be worked with [during last summer's war], and these approaches work
> on the large scale. The positive psychology approach helps people
> maintain hope, an optimistic outlook for the future, a physical
> balance and allows people to deal with everything that's happening."
>
> In contrast, he comments that in Palestinian society, there is not a
> lot of resilience work being done and depression levels are very, very
> high. In these populations living under a perpetual emotional strain,
> he says, there is a serious danger of losing hope completely.
Well, lets see, you are fenced in, you can`t get a job or income, etc.
lets see, I would say they have every reason to feel depressed.
> Talmon echoes Brom's analysis and says the approach will catch on
> quickly here because of its extreme necessity.
>
> "Much of the Israeli existence is geared toward very catastrophic
> scenarios," he says. "With the security threat, the existential threat
> and a culture based on the Holocaust and persecution, life here is
> geared more toward preparing for the worst rather than hoping for the
> best."
>
> BEN-SHAHAR IS determined to change that victimized consciousness, and,
> says Talmon, "he's going to make a big difference here." In less than
> two months, Ben-Shahar's new book, Happier, will be released here, and
> next year, he will begin teaching at the Interdisciplinary Center in
> Herzliya, with plans to eventually make the IDC "a world-class
> positive psychology center that will offer classes for students,
> educators and leaders."
Yep another charisnatic fool fucking up the world with his happy happy joy
joy
bullshit. And you better believe or else.
> "We have a problem with leadership in this country, and in fact all
> over the world," says Ben-Shahar. "Israelis are too apologetic. We
> don't need to apologize for surviving. We have so many virtues, we
> have achieved so much with so little as a people, and we need to be
> proud of it and not focus on how we are the victims, on how
> downtrodden we are or how bad we are. Too many Israelis have put on
> the distorted lens of the UN or the EU or the Arabs, instead of seeing
> us for what we truly are. We need to stand up proudly, demand what is
> ours and stop apologizing. That's what I would like to see from Israel
> and the Jews."
Yep, ignore the bad things, we are superior, we are the victims of everybody
else
we don`t do anything wrong, just ignore them, all we do is good.
> As one of the founders of the David Project Center for Jewish
> Leadership, which works to promote a fair understanding of the Arab-
> Israeli conflict and develop leaders to counter the ideological
> assault on Israel, Ben-Shahar strives to bring about positive change -
> in both well-being and hasbara - through positive leadership.
Let me see, you occupy a land, you start killing the ones who were there,
yep that is about the problem there is. (besides the religious shit, that
tells
both of them, we are right, because God is on our side)
> "Positive psychology and hasbara are very intimately connected," he
> says. "What I do is try to protect the self-evident values of life,
> liberty and the pursuit of happiness. As I see it, my work in hasbara
> is about life and liberty, and my work in positive psychology is about
> the pursuit of happiness. Without life and liberty, we can't pursue
> happiness."
I was happy, I could pay my bills.
I didn`t need vacations, a car, my own(ed) home.
Just a small rental apartment, TV and a computer and a bicycle was fine for
me.
But because others needed more, I had to work harder and harder for
less pay, that I hardly can pay my rental home and my normal stuff.
My unhappiness is not in me, it is society where groups high earners
never have enough, and therefor we have to be squeezed.
THAT is the source of my unhappiness.
I was happy with my simple life, but the greedy bastards never were.
And I have to pay for their greed, THAT makes me unhappy.
> As a lecturer at Harvard, Ben-Shahar authored numerous articles
> attacking Islamic fundamentalism and jihad in addition to his studies
> on positive psychology. People would often Google his name, he
> recalls, and assume there were two different Tal Ben-Shahars at the
> university.
>
> "They couldn't reconcile the two ideas, because positive psychology is
> all about smiles and well-being, which seems to be the polar opposite
> of war," he says. "But really, they're just two sides of the same
> coin. We first have to secure our life and our liberty and only then
> can we pursue happiness. And that's what I want to do - educate the
> future leaders of the world, and make the world happier."
Yep, and greedy overpayed bastards who have no real usefullness in society
like this one, want more and more money. And then they threaten my
livelyhood
and I get unhappy, and then they want to sell me God, if you just pray you
shall be happy.
No you fuck, get a real job you fucking parasite you are the source of
unhappiness
for many )O+->
> Ben-Shahar's six lessons on happiness
> 1. Give yourself permission to be human. When we accept emotions -
> such as fear, sadness or anxiety - as natural, we are more likely to
> overcome them. Rejecting our emotions, positive or negative, leads to
> frustration and unhappiness.
Yep so except that you are unhappy sometimes.
If your unhappiness comes because you are threatened in your livelyhood
go and and lynch the elite parasites like these psychiatrists who make more
money talking out of their asses, then you with your skilled hands that
produce
something usefull.
> We are a culture obsessed with pleasure and believe that the mark of a
> worthy life is the absence of discomfort; and when we experience pain,
> we take it to indicate that something must be wrong with us.
Well, that is the function of pain, you moron.
If you stick your hand is a fire, you feel pain to warn you to
take your fucking hand out of the flames. But you say, oh
hat is part of life, ignore the pain. Bubbling idiot.
OFCOURSE there is something wrong when you feel pain.
> In fact,
> there is something wrong with us if we don't experience sadness or
> anxiety at times.
Yep, and the reason for this is to do something about it.
Why dod you think heaven is all ladida no pain, you fool.
> The paradox is that when we accept our feelings -
> when we give ourselves the permission to be human and experience
> painful emotions
No society doesn`t, you need to work and make more money for
overpayed morons like yourself.
> - we are more likely to open ourselves up to positive
> emotions.
yes I would say that, but for that we need to overcome the bad ones too.
They are there for a reason.
> 2. Happiness lies at the intersection between pleasure and meaning.
This to stupid to even command on.
> Whether at work or at home, the goal is to engage in activities that
> are both personally significant and enjoyable. When this is not
> feasible, make sure you have happiness boosters, moments throughout
> the week that provide you with both pleasure and meaning. Research
> shows that an hour or two of a meaningful and pleasurable experience
> can affect the quality of an entire day or even a whole week.
Yep if you can afford them.
> 3. Keep in mind that happiness is mostly dependent on our state of
> mind, not on our status or the state of our bank account. Barring
> extreme circumstances, our level of well-being is determined by what
> we choose to focus on and by our interpretation of external events.
> For example, do we focus on the empty part or the full part of the
> glass? Do we view failures as catastrophic, or do we see them as a
> learning opportunities?
Ah while his bankaccount is full, we lower eings can be happy without that
money.
Even if we are driven into poverty, we still have God and the promise of
heaven.
Do you think we are fools? (well most are)
> 4. Simplify! We are, generally, too busy, trying to squeeze more and
> more activities into less and less time.
We have to, we need 2 or 3 jobs to get by, unlike overpayed assholes like
you.
>Quantity influences quality,
> and we compromise on our happiness by trying to do too much. Knowing
> when to say no to others often means saying yes to ourselves.
Not much NO if you are depended on your low income job.
> 5. Remember the mind-body connection. What we do - or don't do - with
> our bodies influencees our mind. Regular exercise, adequate sleep and
> healthy eating habits lead to both physical and mental health.
And good food too, but you can only afford that, when you are a
overpayed moron like you.
> 6. Express gratitude, whenever possible. We too often take our lives
> for granted. Learn to appreciate and savor the wonderful things in
> life, from people to food, from nature to a smile.
Thank you God, for this dungheap.
Bellende Belhamel
Ja, toch ben ik liever een atheist.
Ik leef liever in de realiteit dan in een leugen.
wortel
"Eliyahu" <silverm...@gmail.com> schreef
> Bs'd
>
> http://wegvel.faithweb.com/JPhappiness.html
>
> The secret to happiness
> By ERICA CHERNOFSKY
>
> Clinical psychologist Dr. Moshe Talmon has spent the last 30 years
> asking people what's wrong - with their lives, their minds, their
> marriages, their careers and anything and everything else one could
> possibly complain about. He spent his days in his Tel Aviv practice
> analyzing depression, anxiety, stress, anger, fear and schizophrenia,
> and then one day he realized his job was taking a heavy toll on his
> own mental health.
>
Weg dus met die doemdenkerij van oa Greenpeace.
Weg dus ook met die westerse (su�cidale) schuldcultuur.
vrgr
David
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"Ruud66" <ruu...@gmail.com> schreef >
> "Orac" <bonde...@zoggi.nl> wrote
>> Niet relevant.
>
> Je bedoelt: Geen benul maakt gelukkig?
>
veel mensen staan ver af (in hun werk) van concrete producten en hebben
zingevingsproblemen.
In primitievere samenlevingen lag dat eenvoudiger: in de zomer hout hakken
om 's winters niet dood te vriezen.
vrgr
David
Bellende Belhamel
"wortel" <kwad...@xs4all.nl> schreef in bericht
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Yep blind geloven in alles wat gezegd word
en oops, de banken vallen om, maar wel positief blijven denken hoor.
sluit jezelf af, en word libertarier.
wortel
"neorg" <ne...@nomail.invalid> schreef in bericht
news:Xns9CEFAF03FB...@194.109.133.242...
>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>>>
>>>> On Dec 29, 2:30 am, MK <n...@masterkbe.cjb.net> wrote:
>>>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:f01306c7-1d93-4c51-a240
>>>> -
>>>>> 86235dcbb...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>>>> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>>>
>>>>> Wat zei Marx alweer? Iets met opium?
>>>
>>>> Bs'd
>>>
>>>> Zolang je maar gelukkig bent.
>>>
>>> Kun jij gelukkig zijn als anderen zinloos moeten lijden?
>>
>> Bs'd
>>
>> Ik kan blij zijn want ik geloof niet dat er zinloos lijden bestaat.
>
> Wat is dan de zin van lijden?
dat men gaat nadenken over oorzaken en naar verlichting zoekt?
vrgr
David
Bellende Belhamel
Bs'd
==================================
Grammetje bruin maat?
PieterW
<silverm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
religieuzen wanen zich gelukkiger.
Cheers, Pieter
Bellende Belhamel
"Gabriel Kuonen" <gavri...@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
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Bs'd
=====================================================
Tja, daarom ben ik voor ontschepping.
Ik bid al drie jaar ervoor. Is die God van jou doof ofzo?
(of dood, kan natuurlijk ook, of bestaat gewoon niet, ook mogelijk)
Ik maar bidden, en dan zou je verhoord worden, nou mooi niet.
wat is ontschepping, ik word geboren, heb ik niet om gevraagd, maar
het gebeurd gewoon, leef je een hele tijd, en op een bepaald moment denk je
F U C K. Ik ben nou al zo oud, "this is as good as it gets" en dan is het
nog niets.
Dus ik naar God, hey eikel, leuk dat je aan het sheppen geslagen bent , maar
euh,
ik moet op die klote zooi leven, weet je wel. Ik weet het goed gemaakt, jij
zorgt ervoor dat
ik nooit in de schepping kom, zijn we weer even goeie vrienden(of niet
natuurlijk, want ik
heb dan nooit bestaan, hoera)
Doet die eikel niet, ontscheppen is er niet bij, wat nou vrije wil?
Ik wil verlossing, Van God en zijn schepping.
Gabriel Kuonen
> "Eliyahu" <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in berichtnews:f01306c7-1d93-4c51...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
Bs'd
En hoe weet je dat jouw realiteit geen leugen is?
Eliyahu
Bellende Belhamel
"neorg" <ne...@nomail.invalid> schreef in bericht
> Eliyahu <silverm...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
>> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>
> Blij met een dooie mus.
Het doet me altijd denken aan een aflevering van Married with children.
Maar Peggy , Al wijsmaakt dat zij een pizza heeft besteld voor hem.
Hij staat blij bij het kleine raampje van de deur naar buiten te kijken,
anticiperend op de pizza die gaat komen, en hoe langer het duurt
hoe blijer hij word want als ze in Amerika niet binnen een bepaalde tijd
de pizza bezorgen, is hij gratis. En zo staat hij daar volledig gelukkig te
wachten op iets wat nooit gaat komen.
maar hij is wel even gelukkig van anticipatie.
Tabula Rasa
wrote:
>Eliyahu <silverm...@gmail.com> wrote in news:f01306c7-1d93-4c51-a240-
>86235d...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
>>
>> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>>
>>
>
>Wat zei Marx alweer?
DAT ALLE KAPITALISTE KAPOT MOTTE, EN OF ER NOG VERSE KOFFIE IS !!!
Gabriel Kuonen
> "Ruud66" <ruu...@gmail.com> schreef >
>
> > "Orac" <bonderbi...@zoggi.nl> wrote
> >> Niet relevant.
>
> > Je bedoelt: Geen benul maakt gelukkig?
>
> veel mensen staan ver af (in hun werk) van concrete producten en hebben
> zingevingsproblemen.
> In primitievere samenlevingen lag dat eenvoudiger: in de zomer hout hakken
> om 's winters niet dood te vriezen.
Bs'd
Noem je dat zingeving, je eigen de tyfus te moeten werken om te
overleven, een rotleven hebben, en dan ga je alsnog dood na een jaar
of 60 70?
Het is maar wat je "zingeving" noemt.....
Eliyahu
Tabula Rasa
wrote:
De zin van lijden is nadenken over een manier om een einde aan het
lijden te maken ?
Dat draait wel erg in cirkeltjes rond, vind je ook niet ?
Tabula Rasa
wrote:
>Eliyahu <silverm...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
>> On Dec 29, 2:30�am, MK <n...@masterkbe.cjb.net> wrote:
>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:f01306c7-1d93-4c51-a240
>> -
>>> 86235dcbb...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>>>
>>> Wat zei Marx alweer? Iets met opium?
>>
>> Bs'd
>>
>> Zolang je maar gelukkig bent.
>
>Kun jij gelukkig zijn als anderen zinloos moeten lijden?
Ik wel, en ik gun anderen ook hun geluk als ik zinloos lijdt.
Gabriel Kuonen
> "wortel" <kwadr...@xs4all.nl> schreef in berichtnews:4b38df63$0$22943$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Eliyahu" <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef
> >> Bs'd
>
> >>http://wegvel.faithweb.com/JPhappiness.html
>
> >> The secret to happiness
> >> By ERICA CHERNOFSKY
>
> >> Clinical psychologist Dr. Moshe Talmon has spent the last 30 years
> >> asking people what's wrong - with their lives, their minds, their
> >> marriages, their careers and anything and everything else one could
> >> possibly complain about. He spent his days in his Tel Aviv practice
> >> analyzing depression, anxiety, stress, anger, fear and schizophrenia,
> >> and then one day he realized his job was taking a heavy toll on his
> >> own mental health.
>
> > interessant artikel.
> > Weg dus met die doemdenkerij van oa Greenpeace.
> > Weg dus ook met die westerse (su cidale) schuldcultuur.
>
> Yep blind geloven in alles wat gezegd word
> en oops, de banken vallen om, maar wel positief blijven denken hoor.
> sluit jezelf af, en word libertarier.
Bs'd
Waarom zou dat zo'n probleem zijn dat er een paar banken omvallen?
Hoeveel mensen in NL zullen er doodhongeren omdat er een paar banken
omgevallen zijn?
Positief blijven denken!
Eliyahu
Gabriel Kuonen
> "Eliyahu" <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in berichtnews:6692ef23-fe4f-49bd...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 29, 2:21 am, "Ruud66" <ruu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Orac" <bonderbi...@zoggi.nl> wrote in message
>
> >news:dcff2$4b38c9d2$5350ca4e$23...@cache6.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
>
> > > Niet relevant.
>
> > Je bedoelt: Geen benul maakt gelukkig?
>
> Bs'd
>
> Doet het er wat toe wat gelukkig maakt? Zolang je maar gelukkig
> bent.
> ==================================
> Grammetje bruin maat?
Bs'd
Ik heb behoorlijk wat kameraden aan de bruin gezien, maar die werden
er niet gelukig van. Ze kwamen of in de goot, of voortijdig in hun
kist.
Ik denk dat ik die bruin maar de bruin laat.
Eliyahu
Gabriel Kuonen
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:07:34 -0800 (PST), Eliyahu
>
> >Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>
> religieuzen wanen zich gelukkiger.
Bs'd
The power of positive thinking!
Alleen al die wanen maken iemand gelukkiger!
Eliyahu
wortel
"Gabriel Kuonen" <gavri...@gmail.com> schreef
Bs'd
<---------
je kunt moeilijk ontkennen dat werken voor basislevensbehoeften niet zinvol
is.
Onze zingevingsproblemen zijn een luxeverschijnsel.
Zie ook de krijsende jongetjes en meisjes op het "Kopenhagen concilie".
-------------->
vrgr
david
Gabriel Kuonen
> "Gabriel Kuonen" <gavriel1...@gmail.com> schreef in berichtnews:62e0c9ae-d376-4dbf...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Bs'd
Ik denk niet dat je dat ECHT wil. Als je dat echt wilde zou je dat
krijgen.
God heeft wat beters voor jouw in petto.
Paradijs!
Zing halleluJah!
Eliyahu
Gabriel Kuonen
> "neorg" <ne...@nomail.invalid> schreef in berichtnews:Xns9CEFAA44E5...@194.109.133.242...
>
> > Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
> >> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>
> > Blij met een dooie mus.
>
> Het doet me altijd denken aan een aflevering van Married with children.
> Maar Peggy , Al wijsmaakt dat zij een pizza heeft besteld voor hem.
> Hij staat blij bij het kleine raampje van de deur naar buiten te kijken,
> anticiperend op de pizza die gaat komen, en hoe langer het duurt
> hoe blijer hij word want als ze in Amerika niet binnen een bepaalde tijd
> de pizza bezorgen, is hij gratis. En zo staat hij daar volledig gelukkig te
> wachten op iets wat nooit gaat komen.
> maar hij is wel even gelukkig van anticipatie.
Bs'd
En dat is waar het om gaat: Om het gelukkig zijn.
Stel nou dat, God verhoede het, de atheisten gelijk hebben. Dan gaan
de atheisten depressief door het leven, want ze kijken alleen maar
tegen het absolutie niets aan, een zwart gat, zien geen doel in het
leven, is er dan natuurlijk ook niet.
En neem dan de theïsten, die kijken door het raampje naar de pizza die
nooit gaat komen, en de anticipatie maakt ze gelukkig, en ze gaan
blijmoedig en opgewekt door het leven.
En als ze dood gaan, dan merken ze niet eens dat ze geen pizza
krijgen, want ze zijn toch dood, en er is toch niets.
Wie is er dan slimmer bezig?
Eliyahu
wortel
"Bellende Belhamel" <bellen...@m.el> schreef >
> "wortel" <kwad...@xs4all.nl> schreef >>
Laat u niet terroriseren met extreme meningen en doemscenario's.
Laat u geen schuldgevoel aanpraten door machtswellustelingen.
vrgr
David
Gabriel Kuonen
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:52:06 +0100, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> >> On Dec 29, 2:30 am, MK <n...@masterkbe.cjb.net> wrote:
> >>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>> news:f01306c7-1d93-4c51-a240
> >> -
> >>> 86235dcbb...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>>> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>
> >>> Wat zei Marx alweer? Iets met opium?
>
> >> Bs'd
>
> >> Zolang je maar gelukkig bent.
>
> >Kun jij gelukkig zijn als anderen zinloos moeten lijden?
>
> Ik wel, en ik gun anderen ook hun geluk als ik zinloos lijdt.
Bs'd
Precies, als jij ongelukkig gaat zijn omdat andere mensen lijden, daar
zijn die anderen niet mee geholpen, dus vermaak jezelf gewoon maar.
Eliyahu
Ronald van Voren
> Bs'd
>
> http://wegvel.faithweb.com/JPhappiness.html
>
> The secret to happiness
> By ERICA CHERNOFSKY
>
> Clinical psychologist Dr. Moshe Talmon has spent the last 30 years
> asking people what's wrong - with their lives, their minds, their
> marriages, their careers and anything and everything else one could
> possibly complain about. He spent his days in his Tel Aviv practice
> analyzing depression, anxiety, stress, anger, fear and schizophrenia,
> and then one day he realized his job was taking a heavy toll on his
> own mental health.
>
> people's lives," he says, "and I felt I needed to do something to
> balance it. I needed to concentrate more on being content and happy."
>
> That's when he discovered that psychologists in the US had been
> sharing the same frustration and had already come up with a solution -
> positive psychology, a revolutionary scientific approach that asks
> "what's going right" rather than "what's going wrong."
>
> Clinical psychology as a field had always generally focused on the
> negative, on what's wrong and how to fix it. Practitioners had
> patients examine their faults and delve deeply into traumatizing
> memories in order to mend their broken spirits. But the idea behind
> positive psychology is that in order to eliminate the negative, one
> must first accentuate the positive.
>
> University of Pennsylvania was elected president of the American
> Psychological Association in a landslide vote. His aim as a
> psychologist was to merge practice with science, and as president his
> mission became exploring what he calls the area "north of zero."
>
> "The field of psychology was only half-baked," Seligman said in a 1999
> speech. "We had baked the part about mental illness; we had baked the
> part about repair of damage. The other side's unbaked, the side of
> strength, the side of what we're good at."
>
> That side became the study of positive psychology, of positive
> emotions, positive character traits and positive institutions,
> building upon what had been learned about the dark side of the mind to
> promote prevention and mental health.
>
> The seeds for the field had been planted in the late 1980s, when
> University of Illinois Prof. Dr. Edward Diener began to study
> subjective well-being by defining, measuring and determining the
> causes of life satisfaction, studies that have been illuminated by
> Seligman's work.
>
> "It's not enough to take people from minus five to zero," says
> Harvard's positive psychology expert Tal Ben-Shahar. "It's not enough
> to just get rid of depression. It may be a prerequisite, but there's
> another step afterward, and that's where positive psychology comes
> in."
>
> like strength, optimism and self-esteem with the goal of "not only
> going from zero to five, but becoming more resilient and strengthening
> the psychological immune system," he explains recently in a busy
> Jerusalem cafe.
>
> home, citing family, friends and Zionism as his reasons. Hoping to
> jump-start positive thinking here, Ben-Shahar's plans include teaching
> positive psychology classes in local institutions.
>
> POSITIVE PSYCHOLOGY has caught on quickly and is already being studied
> in dozens of universities around the world. At Harvard, the class has
> become the most popular at the Ivy League institution, with 850
> students filling the lecture hall every semester to hear Ben-Shahar
> teach what has been nicknamed "the course on happiness."
>
> signed up for the class after it was recommended by friends. "In a
> place like Harvard you wouldn't expect a class on happiness, but you
> can have all the intelligence in the world and if you don't have a
> good sense of self-awareness, you won't get anywhere."
>
> statement for life, but what made it so spectacular, she says, was its
> charismatic and articulate teacher.
>
> science major. Popular, champion of the squash team and excelling in
> his studies, he was nonetheless unhappy and couldn't figure out why.
> majors to philosophy and psychology, and slowly became happier as he
> realized he had found his calling.
>
> realized I actually was, I wanted to use what I had learned to make
> others happier."
>
> psychology with Philip Stone, one of its founders. When he graduated,
> Ben-Shahar took over Stone's class, which he designed to be both an
> academic study and a practical application for students' lives.
>
> Crum says Ben-Shahar's course actually changed her life, and as a
> graduate student at Yale studying clinical psychology, she says she
> wouldn't be where she is today without him. "It's a class on life,"
> she says. "People love it because it's relevant, it's useful, it's
> practical."
>
> motivation, love, compassion, surprise, hope, calm and generosity,
> rather than scrutinizing the negative emotions upon which
> psychopathology has been constructed.
>
> part of the glass that is half full, says Talmon, who has transformed
> his practice to utilize the approach.
>
> "That therapeutic hour with the patient is now much more therapeutic,"
> he says. "The patients realize that what they can change in their
> lives is drawn from their strength, their resilience, their positive
> relationships. It's basically realizing that what can make us happy
> comes from what we already have."
>
> people say they are. But happiness isn't a one-time achievement,
> explains Ben-Shahar, it's a lifetime pursuit, and the question "are
> you happy," while well-meaning, is not helpful.
>
> tone. "It's a difficult question to answer because it suggests a
> binary approach - that we are either happy, or we're not. But
> happiness is not the end of a process, it is a process. I constantly
> work on becoming happier. So the more helpful question to ask is how
> can I become happier?"
>
> would like the answer to, and through rigorous empirical research,
> positive psychology is starting to provide some answers.
>
> Shahar, asking yourself when did I flourish, when did I thrive, and
> then analyzing that time and figuring out what it was you were doing
> that made you feel so fulfilled.
>
> the positive, and if we don't appreciate the positive, it will wither
> and die," he warns.
>
> continues. People who have deep, intimate connections, whether with
> friends, family or spouses, show higher degrees of happiness.
>
> characteristics shared by the 10 percent of students with the highest
> levels of happiness and the fewest signs of depression were the strong
> ties to family and friends and commitment to spending time with them."
>
> social skills, close interpersonal ties and social support in order to
> be happy."
>
> Regular exercise, defined by Ben-Shahar as 30 minutes three times a
> week, is vital and has an impact similar to that of the most powerful
> psychiatric drugs on our well-being.
>
> the structure of the brain, he explains, shifting activity to the left
> prefrontal cortex, proven for years to have high activity in happier
> people.
>
> friends in our modern world," Ben-Shahar points out. "Most of us sit
> in front of computer screens all day, and that's one of the reasons
> why depression levels today are so high."
>
> in the 1960s, and a study completed in 2005 found that 75% of Israeli
> schoolchildren reported having feelings of anxiety. A 2004 study found
> that 29.5% of Israelis agreed with the statement "I feel depressed and
> gloomy," with 29% also reporting they felt anxious and stressed. And
> these numbers, say researchers, have only increased after last
> summer's war in Lebanon.
>
> optimism about the future of the State of Israel significantly
> contributed to traumatic stress resilience and less traumatic stress-
> related symptoms.
>
> be more necessary.
>
> "In an often difficult reality, such as the one we live in in Israel,
> it's important to get out of the rut of only complaining, only
> kvetching about what's wrong with our country," says Ben-Shahar.
> Positive thinking, he says, is critical to make our society more
> successful and prosperous.
>
> that doesn't work, whereas if you concentrate on what is working, you
> can strengthen it and make it more resilient," he says, drawing a
> parallel to difficulties in a marriage.
>
> their own religious tradition, because religious people, notes Ben-
> Shahar, are generally happier than non-religious people.
>
> They believe in God and therefore have hope and feel there is meaning
> and purpose to their lives, all of which are positive emotions. Along
> with a greater sense of community, religious Jews also have more
> social encounters in synagogue and during Shabbat meals with family
> and friends. Keeping Shabbat as a day of rest once a week and actually
> not doing any work is an anomaly in today's capitalistically driven
> society, and significantly contributes to one's well-being and
> effectiveness.
>
> God, which is done from the moment one wakes and then throughout the
> sleep. A hundred prayers a day are said blessing God, and this
> constant show of gratitude has psychological benefits in that it
> obliges one to focus on the positive.
>
> before going to bed," says Ben-Shahar. "Write down at least five
> things you are thankful for." Taking out a little notebook from his
> briefcase, he flips through the worn pages until he reaches the one he
> used the night before, which reveals a scribbled list including God,
> his wife, his son and seeing his infant daughter smile for the first
> time.
>
> gratitude are more optimistic, more successful and happier." And in
> speaking with him, and his students agree, it is clear that Ben-Shahar
> exemplifies the principles he teaches and exudes a sense of
> completion.
>
> institution - whether it be a marriage or a school - most of which
> fail to nurture the wellsprings of happiness.
>
> furniture we could fall back on for consolation - our relationship to
> God, our patriotism, extended families, community, and systematically
> in the two generations in which depression has increased so
> drastically, we've seen a waning of all these spiritual furnitures,"
> Seligman said in a discussion on the Australian ABC radio network.
> (Ironically, the father of positive psychology responded in a less
> than positive manner to repeated requests to be interviewed for this
> article, citing as a precondition that this journalist first read the
> books he authored.)
>
> invaluable today, a sensitive time in which modern technology is
> replacing the things that truly matter and make us happy.
>
> Talmon. "To make life worth living, people should understand what
> really makes them happier and what makes them happier beyond the
> immediate pleasure of eating good food or having good sex."
>
> former students at Harvard. "It is enjoying every day and making sure
> one surrounds himself with the things that are meaningful. Positive
> psychology cuts away the fa ade of the societally idealized version of
> happiness through a fact-based approach to what actually drives people
> to be happy in life."
>
> thousands, of self-help books promising to make you happy by the time
> you turn the last page?
>
> "Positive psychology is not a Pollyanna, happy-go-lucky, everything's
> wonderful approach," explains Ben-Shahar. "It's tied to reality. It
> relies on science."
>
> partially based on research and is mostly based on ideas - albeit
> interesting ones - that haven't always been tested using the
> scientific method.
>
> Despite lacking a deep academic grounding, the self-help movement and
> programs along the lines of Landmark Education dominated the market of
> making people happier and more effective until 1998 and the birth of
> positive psychology. The movement had charisma and accessibility, but
> very often, says Ben-Shahar, "it over-promised and under-delivered"
> because it didn't have the rigorous, empirical foundation of academic
> research.
>
> "The average academic journal isn't read by many people," he says.
> "Positive psychology creates a bridge between the ivory tower and the
> main street, bridging academia and the self-help movement."
>
> So while it's not easy to make people happier, it's certainly possible
> - or, more accurately, he says, it's possible to help people learn how
> to make themselves happier.
>
> of the relatively new approach, and those who do know about it seem
> thrilled it's coming to Israel, the US media has on occasion condemned
> it as a cultish program or a load of happy hoo-ha, and even Ben-
> Shahar's colleagues at Harvard have expressed disregard.
>
> "He did get a lot of anguish from other professors," says Crum. "And
> there's a tendency for people to poke fun because it seems trite or
> superficial. Its almost like it's too practical for people to handle."
>
> But anyone who doesn't believe it should just try it for themselves,
> says Dr. Danny Brom, director of the Israel Center for the Treatment
> of Psychotrauma at Herzog Hospital. Even for people who are already
> happy, there are still numerous obstacles to contend with that
> threaten their levels of happiness.
>
> "A majority of people say they're happy," he admits. "But if you ask
> them if they're also anxious, stressed and depressed sometimes,
> they'll say yes."
>
> emotional resilience in his clinical work, and says it's high time
> positive psychology arrived in the academic arena here.
>
> "Psychologists have realized that focusing only on the bad things is
> not really helpful," he says, noting that in a society under
> continuous stress like Israel, it is even more important to employ the
> resilience approach to help people remain functional.
>
> focuses on the problems isn't the treatment of choice, because during
> a crisis you need to survive," he says, referring to this summer's war
> in Lebanon as a prime example. "The whole community up North needed to
> be worked with [during last summer's war], and these approaches work
> on the large scale. The positive psychology approach helps people
> maintain hope, an optimistic outlook for the future, a physical
> balance and allows people to deal with everything that's happening."
>
> In contrast, he comments that in Palestinian society, there is not a
> lot of resilience work being done and depression levels are very, very
> high. In these populations living under a perpetual emotional strain,
> he says, there is a serious danger of losing hope completely.
>
> quickly here because of its extreme necessity.
>
> "Much of the Israeli existence is geared toward very catastrophic
> scenarios," he says. "With the security threat, the existential threat
> and a culture based on the Holocaust and persecution, life here is
> geared more toward preparing for the worst rather than hoping for the
> best."
>
> BEN-SHAHAR IS determined to change that victimized consciousness, and,
> says Talmon, "he's going to make a big difference here." In less than
> two months, Ben-Shahar's new book, Happier, will be released here, and
> next year, he will begin teaching at the Interdisciplinary Center in
> Herzliya, with plans to eventually make the IDC "a world-class
> positive psychology center that will offer classes for students,
> educators and leaders."
>
> over the world," says Ben-Shahar. "Israelis are too apologetic. We
> don't need to apologize for surviving. We have so many virtues, we
> have achieved so much with so little as a people, and we need to be
> proud of it and not focus on how we are the victims, on how
> downtrodden we are or how bad we are. Too many Israelis have put on
> the distorted lens of the UN or the EU or the Arabs, instead of seeing
> us for what we truly are. We need to stand up proudly, demand what is
> ours and stop apologizing. That's what I would like to see from Israel
> and the Jews."
>
> Leadership, which works to promote a fair understanding of the Arab-
> Israeli conflict and develop leaders to counter the ideological
> assault on Israel, Ben-Shahar strives to bring about positive change -
> in both well-being and hasbara - through positive leadership.
>
> says. "What I do is try to protect the self-evident values of life,
> liberty and the pursuit of happiness. As I see it, my work in hasbara
> is about life and liberty, and my work in positive psychology is about
> the pursuit of happiness. Without life and liberty, we can't pursue
> happiness."
>
> attacking Islamic fundamentalism and jihad in addition to his studies
> on positive psychology. People would often Google his name, he
> recalls, and assume there were two different Tal Ben-Shahars at the
> university.
>
> "They couldn't reconcile the two ideas, because positive psychology is
> all about smiles and well-being, which seems to be the polar opposite
> of war," he says. "But really, they're just two sides of the same
> coin. We first have to secure our life and our liberty and only then
> can we pursue happiness. And that's what I want to do - educate the
> future leaders of the world, and make the world happier."
>
> 1. Give yourself permission to be human. When we accept emotions -
> such as fear, sadness or anxiety - as natural, we are more likely to
> overcome them. Rejecting our emotions, positive or negative, leads to
> frustration and unhappiness.
>
> worthy life is the absence of discomfort; and when we experience pain,
> there is something wrong with us if we don't experience sadness or
> when we give ourselves the permission to be human and experience
> emotions.
>
> 2. Happiness lies at the intersection between pleasure and meaning.
>
> are both personally significant and enjoyable. When this is not
> feasible, make sure you have happiness boosters, moments throughout
> the week that provide you with both pleasure and meaning. Research
> shows that an hour or two of a meaningful and pleasurable experience
> can affect the quality of an entire day or even a whole week.
>
> mind, not on our status or the state of our bank account. Barring
> extreme circumstances, our level of well-being is determined by what
> we choose to focus on and by our interpretation of external events.
> For example, do we focus on the empty part or the full part of the
> glass? Do we view failures as catastrophic, or do we see them as a
> learning opportunities?
>
> and we compromise on our happiness by trying to do too much. Knowing
> when to say no to others often means saying yes to ourselves.
>
> our bodies influencees our mind. Regular exercise, adequate sleep and
> healthy eating habits lead to both physical and mental health.
>
> for granted. Learn to appreciate and savor the wonderful things in
> life, from people to food, from nature to a smile.
Een atheist gelooft in het grote Toeval.
Bellende Belhamel
"Gabriel Kuonen" <gavri...@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
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Bs'd
====================================
De bruin gaf ze zo'n goed gevoel.
De problemen waren er om aan de bruin te komen.
maar als je het hebt man dan waren ze gelukkig.
Bellende Belhamel
Bs'd
Paradijs!
Zing halleluJah!
===========================================
Nee, ik wil dit.
Dus niet doodgaan,dat is te doen, maar niet bestaan hebben.
Ik denk eerder dat het Gods ego is, want dan moet hij toegeven
dat hij een fout gemaakt heeft, en dat doet ie nooit. is ie namelijk
niet meer onfeilbaar. Dus om zijn ego trip moet ik verder bestaan
terwijl ik verlossing wil van God en zijn schepping(en).
En waarom geloof je me niet? En zijn plannen interreseren me niet.
Ik wil er geen deel van uit maken.
Maar ik denk dat het veel simpeler is. Hij bestaat niet.
Ik ben gewoon de lul tot het einde maar dan is er toch verlossing.
tenminste, als er niet een hiernogmaals is. Want dan moet ik wachten tot
de zon de aarde opgevroten heeft. Of tot alle materie is omgezet in energie
in het universum. Dat word een lange weg<zucht>
Bellende Belhamel
Bs'd
=================================================
Ja bedank God maar dat hij die andere laat barsten en niet jou ;o)
neorg
> On Dec 29, 3:12�am, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>> Gabriel Kuonen <gavriel1...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 29, 2:52 am, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>>
>>>>> On Dec 29, 2:30 am, MK <n...@masterkbe.cjb.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:f01306c7-1d93-4c51-a240
>>>>> -
>>>>>> 86235dcbb...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>>>>>> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>>
>>>>>> Wat zei Marx alweer? Iets met opium?
>>
>>>>> Bs'd
>>
>>>>> Zolang je maar gelukkig bent.
>>
>>>> Kun jij gelukkig zijn als anderen zinloos moeten lijden?
>>
>>> Bs'd
>>
>>> Ik kan blij zijn want ik geloof niet dat er zinloos lijden bestaat.
>>
>> Wat is dan de zin van lijden?
>
> Bs'd
>
> Lijden wist zonden uit.
Dus jij wil zeggen dat iemand die lijdt, dat dat zijn eigen schuld is.
Dat geloof ik niet. Ik ken mensen die lijden maar nooit een vlieg kwaad
hebben gedaan, en ik ken mensen die niet lijden, maar dat wel verdienen.
--
victor
neorg
> On Dec 29, 3:59�am, Tabula Rasa <schone...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:52:06 +0100, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>>
>>>> On Dec 29, 2:30�am, MK <n...@masterkbe.cjb.net> wrote:
>>>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:f01306c7-1d93-4c51-a240
>>>> -
>>>>> 86235dcbb...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>>>>> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>>
>>>>> Wat zei Marx alweer? Iets met opium?
>>
>>>> Bs'd
>>
>>>> Zolang je maar gelukkig bent.
>>
>>> Kun jij gelukkig zijn als anderen zinloos moeten lijden?
>>
>> Ik wel, en ik gun anderen ook hun geluk als ik zinloos lijdt.
>
> Bs'd
>
> Precies, als jij ongelukkig gaat zijn omdat andere mensen lijden, daar
> zijn die anderen niet mee geholpen, dus vermaak jezelf gewoon maar.
Dus het kan jou niets schelen als je moeder pijn lijdt door een terminale
kanker.
--
victor
neorg
> On Dec 29, 3:12�am, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>> Gabriel Kuonen <gavriel1...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>>
>>> On Dec 29, 2:44 am, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>>
>>>>> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>>
>>>> Blij met een dooie mus.
>>
>>> Bs'd
>>
>>> Beter blij dan depressief.
>>
>> Waarom is dat beter?
>
> Bs'd
>
> Blij zijn is een veel prettiger gevoel dan depressief zijn.
Waarom is het beter om een prettig gevoel te hebben? Klinkt erg egoistisch
allemaal.
> Het is ook veel beter voor je gezondheid.
>
>
> Eliyahu
--
victor
PieterW
mmm...of iemand komt in het gesticht.
Cheers, Pieter
Bellende Belhamel
"Gabriel Kuonen" <gavri...@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
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On Dec 29, 3:56 am, "Bellende Belhamel" <bellendeb...@m.el> wrote:
> "neorg" <ne...@nomail.invalid> schreef in
> berichtnews:Xns9CEFAA44E5...@194.109.133.242...
>
> > Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
> >> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>
> > Blij met een dooie mus.
>
> Het doet me altijd denken aan een aflevering van Married with children.
> Maar Peggy , Al wijsmaakt dat zij een pizza heeft besteld voor hem.
> Hij staat blij bij het kleine raampje van de deur naar buiten te kijken,
> anticiperend op de pizza die gaat komen, en hoe langer het duurt
> hoe blijer hij word want als ze in Amerika niet binnen een bepaalde tijd
> de pizza bezorgen, is hij gratis. En zo staat hij daar volledig gelukkig
> te
> wachten op iets wat nooit gaat komen.
> maar hij is wel even gelukkig van anticipatie.
Bs'd
En dat is waar het om gaat: Om het gelukkig zijn.
====================================
ja dat is iemand met dat grammetje bruin ook heel even.
tot zijn volgende grammetje bruin.
====================================
Stel nou dat, God verhoede het, de atheisten gelijk hebben. Dan gaan
de atheisten depressief door het leven, want ze kijken alleen maar
tegen het absolutie niets aan, een zwart gat, zien geen doel in het
leven, is er dan natuurlijk ook niet.
====================================
Precies, ik weet dat als atheist, dus ik wil dolgraag
geloven in God, want dan kan hij mij ontscheppen, dan is er
nog hoop
Maar ja, er gebeurd niets, dus zal God wel niet bestaan.
Want dan had hij , barmhartig als hij is, mij verlost van hem en
zijn schepping
=====================================
En neem dan de the�sten, die kijken door het raampje naar de pizza die
nooit gaat komen, en de anticipatie maakt ze gelukkig, en ze gaan
blijmoedig en opgewekt door het leven.
=====================================
Niet allemaal hoor, heel wat angsten over het hiernamaals
vreten hun geluk op.
=====================================
En als ze dood gaan, dan merken ze niet eens dat ze geen pizza
krijgen, want ze zijn toch dood, en er is toch niets.
Wie is er dan slimmer bezig?
======================================
Geloven is niet iets dat je kan, het is iets dat je overkomt.
Mij overkomt het dus niet, dus ben ik dubbel genaaid en dus
wil ik dolgraag dat God bestaat, zodat hij mij kan ontscheppen.
Mij verlossen van hem/het/haar en zijn/haar/het schepping.
Maar ja, er is geen God schijnbaar.
(wat ik wel kan doen is geen kinderen zetten op
deze planeet, en dat doe ik dus ook niet)
======================================
Eliyahu
Bellende Belhamel
Bs'd
====================================
Zijn mijn gebeden al verhoord? nee dus
====================================
Tabula Rasa
wrote:
>Gabriel Kuonen <gavri...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
Dat is erg persoonlijk natuurlijk, er zijn veel meer anderen dan
alleen je moeder of andere geliefden.
Ik kan prima gelukkig zijn ondanks dat ik weet dat er een hoop ellende
in bijv. Afghanistan is.
PieterW
<gavri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 29, 3:18�am, Gabriel Kuonen <gavriel1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 29, 3:12�am, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > Gabriel Kuonen <gavriel1...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>>
>> > > On Dec 29, 2:44 am, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>> > >> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>>
>> > >>> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>>
>> > >> Blij met een dooie mus.
>>
>> > > Bs'd
>>
>> > > Beter blij dan depressief.
>>
>> > Waarom is dat beter?
>>
>> Bs'd
>>
>> Blij zijn is een veel prettiger gevoel dan depressief zijn.
>>
>> Het is ook veel beter voor je gezondheid.
>>
>> Eliyahu
>
>Bs'd
>
>Of ben jij liever depressief dan gelukkig?
geen bergen zonder dalen.
en ook een depressie is zinvol zoals je zelf al zei.
Cheers, Pieter
PieterW
<gavri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Waarom zou dat zo'n probleem zijn dat er een paar banken omvallen?
>
>Hoeveel mensen in NL zullen er doodhongeren omdat er een paar banken
>omgevallen zijn?
>
>Positief blijven denken!
psies, deze crisis kan nog niet in de schaduw staan van de ITbubble.
Cheers, Pieter
Bellende Belhamel
"wortel" <kwad...@xs4all.nl> schreef in bericht
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>
> "Bellende Belhamel" <bellen...@m.el> schreef >
>> "wortel" <kwad...@xs4all.nl> schreef >>
>>> "Eliyahu" <silverm...@gmail.com> schreef
>>>> Bs'd
>>>>
>>>> http://wegvel.faithweb.com/JPhappiness.html
>>>>
>>>> The secret to happiness
>>>> By ERICA CHERNOFSKY
>>>>
>>>> Clinical psychologist Dr. Moshe Talmon has spent the last 30 years
>>>> asking people what's wrong - with their lives, their minds, their
>>>> marriages, their careers and anything and everything else one could
>>>> possibly complain about. He spent his days in his Tel Aviv practice
>>>> analyzing depression, anxiety, stress, anger, fear and schizophrenia,
>>>> and then one day he realized his job was taking a heavy toll on his
>>>> own mental health.
>>>>
>>> interessant artikel.
>>> Weg dus met die doemdenkerij van oa Greenpeace.
>>> Weg dus ook met die westerse (su�cidale) schuldcultuur.
>>
>> Yep blind geloven in alles wat gezegd word
>> en oops, de banken vallen om, maar wel positief blijven denken hoor.
>> sluit jezelf af, en word libertarier.
> geloof niet blind, dat de aarde naar de knoppen gaat.
Nee dat doe ik dus ook niet.
> Laat u niet terroriseren met extreme meningen en doemscenario's.
Doe ik ook niet.
> Laat u geen schuldgevoel aanpraten door machtswellustelingen.
Ook niet.
nou dan hebben we het wel gehad.
Blijf ik bij, word libertarier.
Bellende Belhamel
> Een atheist gelooft in het grote Toeval.
Inderdaad, en mocht er toch een God achter zitten dan krijgt ie toch een
ongelofelijk
pak slaag van me, daar lusten de honden geen droog brood van ;o)
Richard
"Orac" <bonde...@zoggi.nl> wrote in message
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> Niet relevant.
jij ook niet
>
>
neorg
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:40:33 +0100, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Gabriel Kuonen <gavri...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>>
Ikke ikke, en de rest kan stikken?
--
victor
PieterW
<gavri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Stel nou dat, God verhoede het, de atheisten gelijk hebben.
Waarin zouden athe�sten gelijk hebben?
>Dan gaan
>de atheisten depressief door het leven, want ze kijken alleen maar
>tegen het absolutie niets aan, een zwart gat, zien geen doel in het
>leven, is er dan natuurlijk ook niet.
Welk Doel zou er in het leven moeten zijn? Heb jij er soms problemen
mee dat jouw leven eigenlijk zinloos is, dat je het middels religie
zin probeert te geven? Kun jij niet gelukkig zijn zonder Doel?
Cheers, Pieter
Tabula Rasa
wrote:
Nee hoor, meer "ikke, nog een paar anderen, en de rest zal het zonder
mijn medeleven moeten doen."
Het lijkt me triest als je nooit gelukkig kunt zijn omdat er altijd
wel ergens iemand, en in werkelijkheid een heleboel iemanden, lijdt.
Wat zal jij een zwaar leven hebben.
neorg
> On Dec 29, 3:12�am, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>> Gabriel Kuonen <gavriel1...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 29, 2:52 am, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>>
>>>>> On Dec 29, 2:30 am, MK <n...@masterkbe.cjb.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:f01306c7-1d93-4c51-a240
>>>>> -
>>>>>> 86235dcbb...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>>>>>> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>>
>>>>>> Wat zei Marx alweer? Iets met opium?
>>
>>>>> Bs'd
>>
>>>>> Zolang je maar gelukkig bent.
>>
>>>> Kun jij gelukkig zijn als anderen zinloos moeten lijden?
>>
>>> Bs'd
>>
>>> Ik kan blij zijn want ik geloof niet dat er zinloos lijden bestaat.
>>
>> Wat is dan de zin van lijden?
>
> Bs'd
>
> Lijden wist zonden uit. Dus nadat iemand uitgeleden is is hij zonder
> zonden en kan hij direkt door naar het paradijs.
Is aids een middel van god om mensen te laten lijden zodat ze zonder
zonden direkt naar het paradijs kunnen? Wie ben jij dan om dat tegen te
werken?
--
victor
PieterW
wrote:
>Weg dus met die doemdenkerij van oa Greenpeace.
mwah, zolang onze lokale vissers hier nog pessimistischer zijn dan
Greenpeace, kun je niet echt van doemdenken spreken.
>Weg dus ook met die westerse (su�cidale) schuldcultuur.
wat is daar precies su�cidaal aan?
Cheers, Pieter
neorg
Ik word daar iig niet vrolijk van. Jij wel?
> Wat zal jij een zwaar leven hebben.
--
victor
neorg
> On Dec 29, 3:12�am, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>> Gabriel Kuonen <gavriel1...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 29, 2:52 am, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>>
>>>>> On Dec 29, 2:30 am, MK <n...@masterkbe.cjb.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:f01306c7-1d93-4c51-a240
>>>>> -
>>>>>> 86235dcbb...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>>>>>> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>>
>>>>>> Wat zei Marx alweer? Iets met opium?
>>
>>>>> Bs'd
>>
>>>>> Zolang je maar gelukkig bent.
>>
>>>> Kun jij gelukkig zijn als anderen zinloos moeten lijden?
>>
>>> Bs'd
>>
>>> Ik kan blij zijn want ik geloof niet dat er zinloos lijden bestaat.
>>
>> Wat is dan de zin van lijden?
>
> Bs'd
>
> Lijden wist zonden uit.
Lijden is niet nodig. God kan zonden uitwissen zonder lijden.
--
victor
Henduro
> En hoe weet je dat jouw realiteit geen leugen is?
Vanavond om 0.05 uur op Nl 3: Urban Legend.
Over de vraag of waarheid van fictie is te onderscheiden.
--
Henk
Vertrouwen daagt de ziel uit verder te gaan dan men kan zien.
Henduro
> Gabriel Kuonen <gavri...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>> Blij zijn is een veel prettiger gevoel dan depressief zijn.
>
> Waarom is het beter om een prettig gevoel te hebben?
Wat denk je zelf?
> Klinkt erg egoistisch allemaal.
Waarom?
Henduro
> Gabriel Kuonen <gavri...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>> Lijden wist zonden uit.
>
> Dus jij wil zeggen dat iemand die lijdt, dat dat zijn eigen schuld is.
Is dat jouw conclusie uit die opmerking? Vreemd.
> Dat geloof ik niet. Ik ken mensen die lijden maar nooit een vlieg kwaad
> hebben gedaan,
Dat kan.
> en ik ken mensen die niet lijden, maar dat wel verdienen.
Dat kan ook, maar is wel ff wat anders.
Henduro
>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:52:06 +0100, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>>>>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:f01306c7-1d93-4c51-a240
>>>>> -
>>>>>> 86235dcbb...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>>>>>> Wat zei Marx alweer? Iets met opium?
>>>>> Bs'd
>>>>> Zolang je maar gelukkig bent.
>>>> Kun jij gelukkig zijn als anderen zinloos moeten lijden?
>>> Ik wel, en ik gun anderen ook hun geluk als ik zinloos lijdt.
>> Bs'd
>>
>> Precies, als jij ongelukkig gaat zijn omdat andere mensen lijden, daar
>> zijn die anderen niet mee geholpen, dus vermaak jezelf gewoon maar.
>
> Dus het kan jou niets schelen als je moeder pijn lijdt door een terminale
> kanker.
Je bent in de war met onverschilligheid en betrokkenheid.
Jammer dat je het punt van Gabriel Kuonen niet wil zien.
Henduro
> Eliyahu <silverm...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>> Zolang je maar gelukkig bent.
>
> Kun jij gelukkig zijn als anderen zinloos moeten lijden?
Je bent pas echt zielig als je andermans lijden tot het jouwe maakt.
Bellende Belhamel
"neorg" <ne...@nomail.invalid> schreef in bericht
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Als God daar nou eens last van had, ik denk dat
het lijden dan snel weg zou zijn. Lijkt mij.
alhoewel..........
Ik vind het nogal een egotripper, die God.
Er staat letterlijk in de bijbel dat wij geschapen zijn
om hem te bewonderen en te vereren en aanbidden.
En dan geeft hij ons een vrije wil, en dan zijn we niet zo content
met wat hij er van gebakken heeft, en dan is meneertje God op
zijn pik getrapt, en een ieder die hem niet wenst te aanbidden
zal hij wel even straffen en in de hel douwen.
Ik weet het niet, maar volgens mij is die God psychisch niet
helemaal stabiel hoor.
neorg
> neorg schreef:
>> Gabriel Kuonen <gavri...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
>>> Blij zijn is een veel prettiger gevoel dan depressief zijn.
>>
>> Waarom is het beter om een prettig gevoel te hebben?
>
> Wat denk je zelf?
Ik denk: er is geen 'beter' of slechter, want het leven is zinloos.
>> Klinkt erg egoistisch allemaal.
>
> Waarom?
Omdat de wil om gelukkig te zijn puur op jezelf is gericht.
--
victor
Tabula Rasa
wrote:
Nee, maar van een hoop andere dingen kan ik prima vrolijk worden.
Vrolijk worden is zelfs grotendeels iets dat ik niet in de hand heb,
het brein regelt dat zonder ingrepen van mijn
bewuste-keuzemogelijkheden.
neorg
Je hebt zelfs helemaal niets in de hand, vrije wil bestaat niet.
--
victor
Bellende Belhamel
"neorg" <ne...@nomail.invalid> schreef in bericht
natuurlijk wel, je hebt er alleen zo fucking weinig aan.
Niets anders dan een extra tool om je te laten lijden. ;o)
> victor
elrond
Theïst. Is dat een notoire theedrinker?
a-Theïst. houdt niet van thee?
Dan ben ik theïst want ik ben gek op thee.
Moet er alleen wel veel van plassen.
Maar waar heb ik dan toch al die andere zeikers gezien? ( krabt op het
hoofd)
Henduro
> Henduro <ObLaDi...@life.goes.on.invalid> schreef in nl.religie:
>
>> neorg schreef:
>>> Gabriel Kuonen <gavri...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>>>> Blij zijn is een veel prettiger gevoel dan depressief zijn.
>>> Waarom is het beter om een prettig gevoel te hebben?
>> Wat denk je zelf?
>
> Ik denk: er is geen 'beter' of slechter, want het leven is zinloos.
Ben je daarom zo ongelukkig?
>>> Klinkt erg egoistisch allemaal.
>> Waarom?
>
> Omdat de wil om gelukkig te zijn puur op jezelf is gericht.
En wat is daar mis mee?
Henduro
> Tabula Rasa <scho...@hotmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>> Nee, maar van een hoop andere dingen kan ik prima vrolijk worden.
>> Vrolijk worden is zelfs grotendeels iets dat ik niet in de hand heb,
>> het brein regelt dat zonder ingrepen van mijn
>> bewuste-keuzemogelijkheden.
>
> Je hebt zelfs helemaal niets in de hand, vrije wil bestaat niet.
Wat een dooddoener.
Tabula Rasa
wrote:
Tuurlijk bestaat vrije wil wel.
elrond
> Wie is er gelukkiger, een theïst van een Atheïst?
>
> Theïst. Is dat een notoire theedrinker?
> Dan ben ik theïst wil ik ben gek op je.
> Alleen Moet er wel veel van plassen.
> Maar waar heb ik dan toch al die andere zeikers gezien? (Krabt op het
> Hoofd)
op thee, bedoelde ik
Gabriel Kuonen
> "Eliyahu" <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in berichtnews:b575a45e-03a7-49c5...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Bs'd
>
> >http://wegvel.faithweb.com/JPhappiness.html
>
> > The secret to happiness
> > By ERICA CHERNOFSKY
>
> > Clinical psychologist Dr. Moshe Talmon has spent the last 30 years
> > asking people what's wrong - with their lives, their minds, their
> > marriages, their careers and anything and everything else one could
> > possibly complain about. He spent his days in his Tel Aviv practice
> > analyzing depression, anxiety, stress, anger, fear and schizophrenia,
> > and then one day he realized his job was taking a heavy toll on his
> > own mental health.
>
> > people's lives," he says, "and I felt I needed to do something to
> > balance it. I needed to concentrate more on being content and happy."
>
> > That's when he discovered that psychologists in the US had been
> > sharing the same frustration and had already come up with a solution -
> > positive psychology, a revolutionary scientific approach that asks
> > "what's going right" rather than "what's going wrong."
>
> > Clinical psychology as a field had always generally focused on the
> > negative, on what's wrong and how to fix it. Practitioners had
> > patients examine their faults and delve deeply into traumatizing
> > memories in order to mend their broken spirits. But the idea behind
> > positive psychology is that in order to eliminate the negative, one
> > must first accentuate the positive.
>
> Yep, you are still breathing, so there is still hope.
> That is how I fix my car too, I first go look at all the systems that still
> function
> and that makes me so happy that I don't care about the thing that doesn`t
> work
> and I wait there forever being happy that so much of my car still works.
> Ignoring what doesn`t work and that makes me so happy.
> That is what happened here, ignoring the problems that newcomers gave and
> look at the positive, until you can`t ignore the big festering wound that
> starts
> to rot and gangreen sets in, then you have to act, but don`t forget, before
> that you were happy.
>
> > The idea was launched in 1996, when Dr. Martin Seligman of the
> > University of Pennsylvania was elected president of the American
> > Psychological Association in a landslide vote. His aim as a
> > psychologist was to merge practice with science, and as president his
> > mission became exploring what he calls the area "north of zero."
>
> > "The field of psychology was only half-baked," Seligman said in a 1999
> > speech. "We had baked the part about mental illness; we had baked the
> > part about repair of damage. The other side's unbaked, the side of
> > strength, the side of what we're good at."
>
> > That side became the study of positive psychology, of positive
> > emotions, positive character traits and positive institutions,
> > building upon what had been learned about the dark side of the mind to
> > promote prevention and mental health.
>
> > The seeds for the field had been planted in the late 1980s, when
> > University of Illinois Prof. Dr. Edward Diener began to study
> > subjective well-being by defining, measuring and determining the
> > causes of life satisfaction, studies that have been illuminated by
> > Seligman's work.
>
> > "It's not enough to take people from minus five to zero," says
> > Harvard's positive psychology expert Tal Ben-Shahar. "It's not enough
> > to just get rid of depression. It may be a prerequisite, but there's
> > another step afterward, and that's where positive psychology comes
> > in."
>
> Yeah right and all the pharmaceutical companies are going to allow that?
> I mean, they make a fortune of unhappy people.
>
> > The discipline focuses on cultivating positive emotions and traits
> > like strength, optimism and self-esteem with the goal of "not only
> > going from zero to five, but becoming more resilient and strengthening
> > the psychological immune system," he explains recently in a busy
> > Jerusalem cafe.
>
> Yep become an ignorant fool, ignore everything that doesn`t go with
> your own believes, and the world is perfect.
>
> > Now, the professor has left his cushy position at Harvard to return
> > home, citing family, friends and Zionism as his reasons. Hoping to
> > jump-start positive thinking here, Ben-Shahar's plans include teaching
> > positive psychology classes in local institutions.
>
> > POSITIVE PSYCHOLOGY has caught on quickly and is already being studied
> > in dozens of universities around the world. At Harvard, the class has
> > become the most popular at the Ivy League institution, with 850
> > students filling the lecture hall every semester to hear Ben-Shahar
> > teach what has been nicknamed "the course on happiness."
>
> Yep, happiness in a can.
>
> > "It was fantastic," says Alia Crum, 23, a recent Harvard graduate who
> > signed up for the class after it was recommended by friends. "In a
> > place like Harvard you wouldn't expect a class on happiness, but you
> > can have all the intelligence in the world and if you don't have a
> > good sense of self-awareness, you won't get anywhere."
>
> Anyone who is selfaware, should be depressed, if not, he is not selfaware
> ;o)
>
> > The class taught her to define her values and create a mission
> > statement for life, but what made it so spectacular, she says, was its
> > charismatic and articulate teacher.
>
> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH a charismatic leader with a mission.
> Forced happiness, yep we have had several of those in our history.
> And mostly the end result was worse then the starting position.
>
> > Israeli born and raised, Ben-Shahar attended Harvard as a computer
> > science major. Popular, champion of the squash team and excelling in
> > his studies, he was nonetheless unhappy and couldn't figure out why.
>
> Because he was unhappy?
>
> > So like any student searching for the meaning of life, he switched his
> > majors to philosophy and psychology, and slowly became happier as he
> > realized he had found his calling.
>
> Yep, he wanted to be God, and postions like these give you the feeling you
> are God.
> You feel superior, and the piece of paper at the end of the course tells you
> you are now a God.
> the other road is the justice system, become a judge and you are God again.
>
> > "Initially I had wanted to make myself happier," he says, "but when I
> > realized I actually was, I wanted to use what I had learned to make
> > others happier."
>
> Yep, what makes me happy makes others happy, euh? No that doesn`t work that
> way.
> although entire religions and political systems are based on this
> assumption.
>
> > He returned to Harvard for graduate school and studied positive
> > psychology with Philip Stone, one of its founders. When he graduated,
> > Ben-Shahar took over Stone's class, which he designed to be both an
> > academic study and a practical application for students' lives.
>
> > Crum says Ben-Shahar's course actually changed her life, and as a
> > graduate student at Yale studying clinical psychology, she says she
> > wouldn't be where she is today without him. "It's a class on life,"
> > she says. "People love it because it's relevant, it's useful, it's
> > practical."
>
> Yep it is so hard to be happy with a more then sufficient income.
>
> > The class, like the field, deals with fostering joy, satisfaction,
> > motivation, love, compassion, surprise, hope, calm and generosity,
> > rather than scrutinizing the negative emotions upon which
> > psychopathology has been constructed.
>
> So they are not busy with problems of the patients, but with their own
> happiness, you can find those here too, in the reintegration sector.
> Another place where you can achieve a God like status.
>
> > In a clinical setting, that translates into focusing treatment on the
> > part of the glass that is half full, says Talmon, who has transformed
> > his practice to utilize the approach.
>
> > "That therapeutic hour with the patient is now much more therapeutic,"
> > he says. "The patients realize that what they can change in their
> > lives is drawn from their strength, their resilience, their positive
> > relationships. It's basically realizing that what can make us happy
> > comes from what we already have."
>
> If what we already have makes us happy, then why aren`t we happy?
>
> > EVERYBODY WANTS to be happy, and statistics show that when asked, most
> > people say they are. But happiness isn't a one-time achievement,
> > explains Ben-Shahar, it's a lifetime pursuit, and the question "are
> > you happy," while well-meaning, is not helpful.
>
> No I am not happy, I look around me at what I have, and I am still not happy
> ;o)
>
> > "People always ask me if I'm happy," he says in his signature relaxed
> > tone. "It's a difficult question to answer because it suggests a
> > binary approach - that we are either happy, or we're not. But
> > happiness is not the end of a process, it is a process. I constantly
> > work on becoming happier. So the more helpful question to ask is how
> > can I become happier?"
>
> So you are happy with persuing happiness.
> Yep the donkey that follows the carrot on a fishingline in front of him.
>
> > How, indeed; it's the million dollar question that every human being
> > would like the answer to, and through rigorous empirical research,
> > positive psychology is starting to provide some answers.
>
> many people can be unhappy just because of chemical inbalances in
> the brain, and no amount of positive "tjakka" speeches can do anything for
> them.
>
> > The first step is analyzing the happiest period of your life, says Ben-
> > Shahar, asking yourself when did I flourish, when did I thrive, and
> > then analyzing that time and figuring out what it was you were doing
> > that made you feel so fulfilled.
>
> I was ignorant of the truth about this world. The only way to achieve that
> again
> is a lobotomy, huge amounts of alcohol or drugs, or a self induced coma.
>
> > "People always analyze the bad things that happen and take for granted
> > the positive, and if we don't appreciate the positive, it will wither
> > and die," he warns.
>
> well it is a scale, if more negative then positive is on your scales
> no amount of self deluding yourself will help.
>
> > The No. 1 predictor of well-being is interpersonal relationships, he
> > continues. People who have deep, intimate connections, whether with
> > friends, family or spouses, show higher degrees of happiness.
>
> It could be the other way round, because they are so happy they have those.
> Who wants to be around a grumpy.
>
> > A 2002 study by Diener and Seligman found that "the most salient
> > characteristics shared by the 10 percent of students with the highest
> > levels of happiness and the fewest signs of depression were the strong
> > ties to family and friends and commitment to spending time with them."
>
> Hahahaha, if i spend more time with my family, we kill eachother.
> hahahaha.
>
> > "Word needs to be spread," says Diener. "It is important to work on
> > social skills, close interpersonal ties and social support in order to
> > be happy."
>
> Yep say that to the dpressed shutouts that get teased or
> through school. Now you are going to say that it is all their own fault.
> Ah, but what is new.
>
> > Positive psychologists also talk a lot about the mind-body connection.
> > Regular exercise, defined by Ben-Shahar as 30 minutes three times a
> > week, is vital and has an impact similar to that of the most powerful
> > psychiatric drugs on our well-being.
>
> Yeah, let him try my work, more exercise then those stingy 30 minutes
> and more stress than all his mental patients together.
> I ca hardly find the time to exercise after my work.
>
> > Meditating or doing yoga for even 15 minutes a day can actually change
> > the structure of the brain, he explains, shifting activity to the left
> > prefrontal cortex, proven for years to have high activity in happier
> > people.
>
> yep, try that when you didn`t get enough sleep.
>
> > "We don't have much time for physical activity or for family and
> > friends in our modern world," Ben-Shahar points out. "Most of us sit
> > in front of computer screens all day, and that's one of the reasons
> > why depression levels today are so high."
>
> No they were high beforre the computers too, come on.
> how many nerves breakdowns did we have before we called them
> burn outs. (and some other names in between for that too)
>
> > Worldwide depression levels are in fact 10 times higher than they were
> > in the 1960s, and a study completed in 2005 found that 75% of Israeli
> > schoolchildren reported having feelings of anxiety. A 2004 study found
> > that 29.5% of Israelis agreed with the statement "I feel depressed and
> > gloomy," with 29% also reporting they felt anxious and stressed. And
> > these numbers, say researchers, have only increased after last
> > summer's war in Lebanon.
>
> Lets take workpressure into account too. But they don`t wanna do
> that ofcourse, no, it can`t be the workpressure.
>
> > But the 2004 study also noted that a sense of social support and
> > optimism about the future of the State of Israel significantly
> > contributed to traumatic stress resilience and less traumatic stress-
> > related symptoms.
>
> Yep socialism is out, individualism is in.
> So we are all on our own, we don`t give a shit about the other,
> hell we don`t have the time for it, we are eachothers competitors
> that is good for business, but maybe not for our well being.
>
> > SO IN A war-ravaged country like Israel, positive psychology couldn't
> > be more necessary.
>
> > "In an often difficult reality, such as the one we live in in Israel,
> > it's important to get out of the rut of only complaining, only
> > kvetching about what's wrong with our country," says Ben-Shahar.
> > Positive thinking, he says, is critical to make our society more
> > successful and prosperous.
>
> yep ignore the things that are wromg and you feel a lot happier.
> Until it bites you in the ass, like is happening here.
>
> > "When you only focus on things that don't work, you create a reality
> > that doesn't work, whereas if you concentrate on what is working, you
> > can strengthen it and make it more resilient," he says, drawing a
> > parallel to difficulties in a marriage.
>
> yep ignore what doesn`t work, ignore your pain, take a happy pill.
> And eventually the pain will evolve into a problem which can no longer be
> ignored.
> But usually, it is too late by then.
>
> > Fortunately for Israelis, one of the keys to becoming happier lies in
> > their own religious tradition, because religious people, notes Ben-
> > Shahar, are generally happier than non-religious people.
>
> Yep, ignore the truth, and build your own little world and you will be
> happy.
>
> > They believe in God and therefore have hope and feel there is meaning
> > and purpose to their lives, all of which are positive emotions.
>
> Yep they usually have no clue what that is, but who cares, it is the carrot
> on a stick, and eventually, they will reach heaven, the happy place.
> So they are happy because they are going to the happy place, chant all day
> blocking out every thought, (prare), we are on our way to the happy place ,
> follow us
> to the happy place. All who don`t believe we kill, for they disturb our
> happy thoughts
> happy thoughts for God kills all of the nonbelievers and let them rot in
> hell the worst place
> imaginable, serves them right, lalalalalalala, we are on our way to the
> happy place.
>
> hahahahha.
>
> > Along
> > with a greater sense of community,
>
> Yep, I know some jehiva witnesses who are so happy they are out of the
> community, you won`t believe it.
>
> > religious Jews also have more
> > social encounters in synagogue and during Shabbat meals with family
> > and friends. Keeping Shabbat as a day of rest once a week and actually
> > not doing any work is an anomaly in today's capitalistically driven
> > society, and significantly contributes to one's well-being and
> > effectiveness.
>
> Or it is a source of personal oppression, conform or you will suffer.
>
> > Furthermore, one of the most prominent features of Judaism is thanking
> > God, which is done from the moment one wakes and then throughout the
> > day,
>
> Hare krishna rama rama, sing and dance with uis for we are the shiny happy
> people
> telling ourselves 24/7 that we are happy.
>
> > after eating, after going to the bathroom and until one goes to
> > sleep.
>
> I don`t want to thank him, I want to cut his balls off.
> praise the lord.praise the lord, fuck that. he is the one who made this
> piece
> of shit.
>
> > A hundred prayers a day are said blessing God, and this
> > constant show of gratitude has psychological benefits in that it
> > obliges one to focus on the positive.
>
> Mindless chanting, or basically, selfhypnoses.
>
> > "There is an exercise I recommend that my students do every night
> > before going to bed," says Ben-Shahar. "Write down at least five
> > things you are thankful for." Taking out a little notebook from his
> > briefcase, he flips through the worn pages until he reaches the one he
> > used the night before, which reveals a scribbled list including God,
> > his wife, his son and seeing his infant daughter smile for the first
> > time.
>
> I don`t wanna thank him, I want to kill him.
> That fuck refuses to uncreate me now for 3 years.
>
> > "I do it every night," he adds. "People who regularly express
> > gratitude are more optimistic, more successful and happier." And in
> > speaking with him, and his students agree, it is clear that Ben-Shahar
> > exemplifies the principles he teaches and exudes a sense of
> > completion.
>
> Yep, that is our task in life, praise the lord, while he is a blundering
> idiot.
>
> > Positive psychology can be applied and integrated into every
> > institution - whether it be a marriage or a school - most of which
> > fail to nurture the wellsprings of happiness.
>
> Yep selfdelusion always works wonders, until it is too late.
>
> > "In the past, when we failed, as fail we must, there was spiritual
> > furniture we could fall back on for consolation - our relationship to
> > God, our patriotism, extended families, community, and systematically
> > in the two generations in which depression has increased so
> > drastically, we've seen a waning of all these spiritual furnitures,"
> > Seligman said in a discussion on the Australian ABC radio network.
> > (Ironically, the father of positive psychology responded in a less
> > than positive manner to repeated requests to be interviewed for this
> > article, citing as a precondition that this journalist first read the
> > books he authored.)
>
> My god, I smell the birth of a new theocracy.
>
> > But the point he makes is that positive psychology is universally
> > invaluable today, a sensitive time in which modern technology is
> > replacing the things that truly matter and make us happy.
>
> Yep selfdelusion is very powerfull.
>
> > "Positive psychology is extremely important for a simple reason," says
> > Talmon. "To make life worth living, people should understand what
> > really makes them happier and what makes them happier beyond the
> > immediate pleasure of eating good food or having good sex."
>
> Well, I know about atleast a billion people who would be really happy with
> that.
>
> > "Happiness is much more than the American dream of a large house, a
> > boat and a fancy car,"
>
> Some won't even reach that. Some? Most.
>
> > says Jonathan Doochin, one of Ben-Shahar's
> > former students at Harvard. "It is enjoying every day and making sure
> > one surrounds himself with the things that are meaningful. Positive
> > psychology cuts away the fa ade of the societally idealized version of
> > happiness through a fact-based approach to what actually drives people
> > to be happy in life."
>
> Yep, go preach nthat in the ghetto, I am ssure they won`t tear you apart,
>
> > BUT DOES IT really work? Or is it just like the hundreds, if not
> > thousands, of self-help books promising to make you happy by the time
> > you turn the last page?
>
> > "Positive psychology is not a Pollyanna, happy-go-lucky, everything's
> > wonderful approach," explains Ben-Shahar. "It's tied to reality. It
> > relies on science."
>
> Oh yes, I have seen that it does. ;o)
>
> > This is unlike the self-help movement, he continues, which is only
> > partially based on research and is mostly based on ideas - albeit
> > interesting ones - that haven't always been tested using the
> > scientific method.
>
> > Despite lacking a deep academic grounding, the self-help movement and
> > programs along the lines of Landmark Education dominated the market of
> > making people happier and more effective until 1998 and the birth of
> > positive psychology. The movement had charisma and accessibility, but
> > very often, says Ben-Shahar, "it over-promised and under-delivered"
> > because it didn't have the rigorous, empirical foundation of academic
> > research.
>
> > "The average academic journal isn't read by many people," he says.
> > "Positive psychology creates a bridge between the ivory tower and the
> > main street, bridging academia and the self-help movement."
>
> > So while it's not easy to make people happier, it's certainly possible
> > - or, more accurately, he says, it's possible to help people learn how
> > to make themselves happier.
>
> Yep selfdelusion, selfhypnosis, yep they all work.
> Until the problems become to great to ignore them.
>
> > While most Israeli experts in the field of psychology remain unaware
> > of the relatively new approach, and those who do know about it seem
> > thrilled it's coming to Israel, the US media has on occasion condemned
> > it as a cultish program or a load of happy hoo-ha, and even Ben-
> > Shahar's colleagues at Harvard have expressed disregard.
>
> > "He did get a lot of anguish from other professors," says Crum. "And
> > there's a tendency for people to poke fun because it seems trite or
> > superficial. Its almost like it's too practical for people to handle."
>
> > But anyone who doesn't believe it should just try it for themselves,
> > says Dr. Danny Brom, director of the Israel Center for the Treatment
> > of Psychotrauma at Herzog Hospital. Even for people who are already
> > happy, there are still numerous obstacles to contend with that
> > threaten their levels of happiness.
>
> > "A majority of people say they're happy," he admits. "But if you ask
> > them if they're also anxious, stressed and depressed sometimes,
> > they'll say yes."
>
> So what? I feel tired too sometimes, it is part of life.
>
> > Brom has recently begun using the positive psychology principles of
> > emotional resilience in his clinical work, and says it's high time
> > positive psychology arrived in the academic arena here.
>
> > "Psychologists have realized that focusing only on the bad things is
> > not really helpful," he says, noting that in a society under
> > continuous stress like Israel, it is even more important to employ the
> > resilience approach to help people remain functional.
>
> Ignore your bad childhood, look at what you have now, be happy.
> Like thoe deep rooted problems go away if you ignore them, oh they do
> just like with drugs, you suppress them, but eventually they are going
> to bite you in the ass,.
>
> > "In times of severe stress and threats, individual therapy that
> > focuses on the problems isn't the treatment of choice, because during
> > a crisis you need to survive," he says, referring to this summer's war
> > in Lebanon as a prime example. "The whole community up North needed to
> > be worked with [during last summer's war], and these approaches work
> > on the large scale. The positive psychology approach helps people
> > maintain hope, an optimistic outlook for the future, a physical
> > balance and allows people to deal with everything that's happening."
>
> > In contrast, he comments that in Palestinian society, there is not a
> > lot of resilience work being done and depression levels are very, very
> > high. In these populations living under a perpetual emotional strain,
> > he says, there is a serious danger of losing hope completely.
>
> Well, lets see, you are fenced in, you can`t get a job or income, etc.
> lets see, I would say they have every reason to feel depressed.
>
> > Talmon echoes Brom's analysis and says the approach will catch on
> > quickly here because of its extreme necessity.
>
> > "Much of the Israeli existence is geared toward very catastrophic
> > scenarios," he says. "With the security threat, the existential threat
> > and a culture based on the Holocaust and persecution, life here is
> > geared more toward preparing for the worst rather than hoping for the
> > best."
>
> > BEN-SHAHAR IS determined to change that victimized consciousness, and,
> > says Talmon, "he's going to make a big difference here." In less than
> > two months, Ben-Shahar's new book, Happier, will be released here, and
> > next year, he will begin teaching at the Interdisciplinary Center in
> > Herzliya, with plans to eventually make the IDC "a world-class
> > positive psychology center that will offer classes for students,
> > educators and leaders."
>
> Yep another charisnatic fool fucking up the world with his happy happy joy
> joy
> bullshit. And you better believe or else.
>
> > "We have a problem with leadership in this country, and in fact all
> > over the world," says Ben-Shahar. "Israelis are too apologetic. We
> > don't need to apologize for surviving. We have so many virtues, we
> > have achieved so much with so little as a people, and we need to be
> > proud of it and not focus on how we are the victims, on how
> > downtrodden we are or how bad we are. Too many Israelis have put on
> > the distorted lens of the UN or the EU or the Arabs, instead of seeing
> > us for what we truly are. We need to stand up proudly, demand what is
> > ours and stop apologizing. That's what I would like to see from Israel
> > and the Jews."
>
> Yep, ignore the bad things, we are superior, we are the victims of everybody
> else
> we don`t do anything wrong, just ignore them, all we do is good.
>
> > As one of the founders of the David Project Center for Jewish
> > Leadership, which works to promote a fair understanding of the Arab-
> > Israeli conflict and develop leaders to counter the ideological
> > assault on Israel, Ben-Shahar strives to bring about positive change -
> > in both well-being and hasbara - through positive leadership.
>
> Let me see, you occupy a land, you start killing the ones who were there,
> yep that is about the problem there is. (besides the religious shit, that
> tells
> both of them, we are right, because God is on our side)
>
> > "Positive psychology and hasbara are very intimately connected," he
> > says. "What I do is try to protect the self-evident values of life,
> > liberty and the pursuit of happiness. As I see it, my work in hasbara
> > is about life and liberty, and my work in positive psychology is about
> > the pursuit of happiness. Without life and liberty, we can't pursue
> > happiness."
>
> I was happy, I could pay my bills.
> I didn`t need vacations, a car, my own(ed) home.
> Just a small rental apartment, TV and a computer and a bicycle was fine for
> me.
> But because others needed more, I had to work harder and harder for
> less pay, that I hardly can pay my rental home and my normal stuff.
> My unhappiness is not in me, it is society where groups high earners
> never have enough, and therefor we have to be squeezed.
> THAT is the source of my unhappiness.
> I was happy with my simple life, but the greedy bastards never were.
> And I have to pay for their greed, THAT makes me unhappy.
>
> > As a lecturer at Harvard, Ben-Shahar authored numerous articles
> > attacking Islamic fundamentalism and jihad in addition to his studies
> > on positive psychology. People would often Google his name, he
> > recalls, and assume there were two different Tal Ben-Shahars at the
> > university.
>
> > "They couldn't reconcile the two ideas, because positive psychology is
> > all about smiles and well-being, which seems to be the polar opposite
> > of war," he says. "But really, they're just two sides of the same
> > coin. We first have to secure our life and our liberty and only then
> > can we pursue happiness. And that's what I want to do - educate the
> > future leaders of the world, and make the world happier."
>
> Yep, and greedy overpayed bastards who have no real usefullness in society
> like this one, want more and more money. And then they threaten my
> livelyhood
> and I get unhappy, and then they want to sell me God, if you just pray you
> shall be happy.
> No you fuck, get a real job you fucking parasite you are the source of
> unhappiness
> for many )O+->
>
> > Ben-Shahar's six lessons on happiness
> > 1. Give yourself permission to be human. When we accept emotions -
> > such as fear, sadness or anxiety - as natural, we are more likely to
> > overcome them. Rejecting our emotions, positive or negative, leads to
> > frustration and unhappiness.
>
> Yep so except that you are unhappy sometimes.
> If your unhappiness comes because you are threatened in your livelyhood
> go and and lynch the elite parasites like these psychiatrists who make more
> money talking out of their asses, then you with your skilled hands that
> produce
> something usefull.
>
> > We are a culture obsessed with pleasure and believe that the mark of a
> > worthy life is the absence of discomfort; and when we experience pain,
> > we take it to indicate that something must be wrong with us.
>
> Well, that is the function of pain, you moron.
> If you stick your hand is a fire, you feel pain to warn you to
> take your fucking hand out of the flames. But you say, oh
> hat is part of life, ignore the pain. Bubbling idiot.
> OFCOURSE there is something wrong when you feel pain.
>
> > In fact,
> > there is something wrong with us if we don't experience sadness or
> > anxiety at times.
>
> Yep, and the reason for this is to do something about it.
> Why dod you think heaven is all ladida no pain, you fool.
>
> > The paradox is that when we accept our feelings -
> > when we give ourselves the permission to be human and experience
> > painful emotions
>
> No society doesn`t, you need to work and make more money for
> overpayed morons like yourself.
>
> > - we are more likely to open ourselves up to positive
> > emotions.
>
> yes I would say that, but for that we need to overcome the bad ones too.
> They are there for a reason.
>
> > 2. Happiness lies at the intersection between pleasure and meaning.
>
> This to stupid to even command on.
>
> > Whether at work or at home, the goal is to engage in activities that
> > are both personally significant and enjoyable. When this is not
> > feasible, make sure you have happiness boosters, moments throughout
> > the week that provide you with both pleasure and meaning. Research
> > shows that an hour or two of a meaningful and pleasurable experience
> > can affect the quality of an entire day or even a whole week.
>
> Yep if you can afford them.
>
> > 3. Keep in mind that happiness is mostly dependent on our state of
> > mind, not on our status or the state of our bank account. Barring
> > extreme circumstances, our level of well-being is determined by what
> > we choose to focus on and by our interpretation of external events.
> > For example, do we focus on the empty part or the full part of the
> > glass? Do we view failures as catastrophic, or do we see them as a
> > learning opportunities?
>
> Ah while his bankaccount is full, we lower eings can be happy without that
> money.
> Even if we are driven into poverty, we still have God and the promise of
> heaven.
> Do you think we are fools? (well most are)
>
> > 4. Simplify! We are, generally, too busy, trying to squeeze more and
> > more activities into less and less time.
>
> We have to, we need 2 or 3 jobs to get by, unlike overpayed assholes like
> you.
>
> >Quantity influences quality,
> > and we compromise on our happiness by trying to do too much. Knowing
> > when to say no to others often means saying yes to ourselves.
>
> Not much NO if you are depended on your low income job.
>
> > 5. Remember the mind-body connection. What we do - or don't do - with
> > our bodies influencees our mind. Regular exercise, adequate sleep and
> > healthy eating habits lead to both physical and mental health.
>
> And good food too, but you can only afford that, when you are a
> overpayed moron like you.
>
> > 6. Express gratitude, whenever possible. We too often take our lives
> > for granted. Learn to appreciate and savor the wonderful things in
> > life, from people to food, from nature to a smile.
>
> Thank you God, for this dungheap.
neorg
> neorg schreef:
>> Henduro <ObLaDi...@life.goes.on.invalid> schreef in nl.religie:
>>
>>> neorg schreef:
>>>> Gabriel Kuonen <gavri...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>>>>> Blij zijn is een veel prettiger gevoel dan depressief zijn.
>>>> Waarom is het beter om een prettig gevoel te hebben?
>>> Wat denk je zelf?
>>
>> Ik denk: er is geen 'beter' of slechter, want het leven is zinloos.
>
> Ben je daarom zo ongelukkig?
Geef eerst eens antwoord op mijn vraag: "Waarom is het beter om een prettig
gevoel te hebben?"
>>>> Klinkt erg egoistisch allemaal.
>>> Waarom?
>>
>> Omdat de wil om gelukkig te zijn puur op jezelf is gericht.
>
> En wat is daar mis mee?
Wat denk je zelf?
--
victor
Ximinez
> Bs'd
>
> http://wegvel.faithweb.com/JPhappiness.html
Daar gaat het niet om.
Het gaat er om wie gelijk heeft.
Het gaat er om wie zichzelf krampachtig voor de gek weet te houden met
sprookjes.
X.
W!m
> Bs'd
>
> Voor degenen die het artikel wat te lang vinden om helemaal door te
> lezen, hier is de paragraaf waar het om gaat:
>
> "Fortunately for Israelis, one of the keys to becoming happier lies in
> their own religious tradition, because religious people, notes Ben-
> Shahar, are generally happier than non-religious people.
>
> with a greater sense of community, religious Jews also have more
> social encounters in synagogue and during Shabbat meals with family
> and friends. Keeping Shabbat as a day of rest once a week and actually
> not doing any work is an anomaly in today's capitalistically driven
> society, and significantly contributes to one's well-being and
> effectiveness."
>
>
bedoeling met ze heeft. Een leven zonder god vinden ze maar niks. Je ziet
die gelovigen hier vaak op de brug bij het station staan met een bord om hun
nek "Jezus is er ook voor U"
Het geluk straalt er vanaf....
W!m
>
> Lijden wist zonden uit. Dus nadat iemand uitgeleden is is hij zonder
> zonden en kan hij direkt door naar het paradijs.
>
johns
> On Dec 29, 2:21 am, "Ruud66" <ruu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Orac" <bonderbi...@zoggi.nl> wrote in message
>>
>> news:dcff2$4b38c9d2$5350ca4e$23...@cache6.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
>>
>> > Niet relevant.
>>
>> Je bedoelt: Geen benul maakt gelukkig?
> Doet het er wat toe wat gelukkig maakt? Zolang je maar gelukkig
> bent.
Wat een onzinstelling. Of eigenlijk, wat een ontzettend egoistische
stelling.
johns
--
johns
> Gabriel Kuonen <gavri...@gmail.com> wrote in news:f8babcb3-5a9b-4a72-
> 824d-ef9...@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Bs'd
>>
>> Ik kan blij zijn want ik geloof niet dat er zinloos lijden bestaat.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Wat zei Marx ook al weer? Iets met opium?
>
> (En los daarvan, ik denk dat jij knettergek bent. Maar ik wil dat hier niet
> schrijven want dat zou op de man spelen zijn.)
Maar als je daar nou gelukkig van wordt?
johns
--
johns
> Eliyahu wrote:
>> Bs'd
>>
>> Voor degenen die het artikel wat te lang vinden om helemaal door te
>> lezen, hier is de paragraaf waar het om gaat:
>
>
> Who the fuck is Erica Chernofsky?
> Iedereen kan wel een dergelijk lulverhaal schrijven.
> Betekent nog niet dat dat waar zou zijn.
En als ik nou nog eens diep graaf in wat sociologische inleidingen, dan
vind ik wel weer het onderzoek van ik meen Durkheim (maar het kan ook
een van de andere grondleggers zijn) dat aantoonde dat het aantal
zelfmoorden onder streng religieuzen hoger lag dan onder de wat meer
ontwikkelde mensen.
Je kunt alles wel onderzoeken, maar ik denk zeker dat momenteel veel
religieuzen de neiging hebben gelukkiger te zijn. Tenminste, alles kan
nog zo beroerd gaan, maar ze hebben altijd nog een (ingebeeld)
vaderfiguur die hun handje vast te houden. Ik snap dat niet eerlijk
gezegd, maar als kind had ik ook al geen denkbeeldige vriendjes maar
gewoon echte vrienden die je ook wel eens teleur stelden.
johns
(en toch echte vrienden bleven.)
--
johns
> On Dec 29, 3:56 am, "Bellende Belhamel" <bellendeb...@m.el> wrote:
>> "neorg" <ne...@nomail.invalid> schreef in berichtnews:Xns9CEFAA44E5...@194.109.133.242...
>>
>>
>> Het doet me altijd denken aan een aflevering van Married with children.
>> Maar Peggy , Al wijsmaakt dat zij een pizza heeft besteld voor hem.
>> Hij staat blij bij het kleine raampje van de deur naar buiten te kijken,
>> anticiperend op de pizza die gaat komen, en hoe langer het duurt
>> hoe blijer hij word want als ze in Amerika niet binnen een bepaalde tijd
>> de pizza bezorgen, is hij gratis. En zo staat hij daar volledig gelukkig te
>> wachten op iets wat nooit gaat komen.
>> maar hij is wel even gelukkig van anticipatie.
>
> Bs'd
>
> En dat is waar het om gaat: Om het gelukkig zijn.
>
> Stel nou dat, God verhoede het, de atheisten gelijk hebben. Dan gaan
> de atheisten depressief door het leven, want ze kijken alleen maar
> tegen het absolutie niets aan, een zwart gat, zien geen doel in het
> leven, is er dan natuurlijk ook niet.
>
> En neem dan de theïsten, die kijken door het raampje naar de pizza die
> nooit gaat komen, en de anticipatie maakt ze gelukkig, en ze gaan
> blijmoedig en opgewekt door het leven.
> En als ze dood gaan, dan merken ze niet eens dat ze geen pizza
> krijgen, want ze zijn toch dood, en er is toch niets.
>
> Wie is er dan slimmer bezig?
Dan toch die atheist. Die kan, ondanks het feit dat het leven misschien
wel zinloos is, besluiten er het beste van te maken en dan maar zelf een
pizza in elkaar te flansen.
De theist staat zinloos, kwijlend als een gelukzalige idioot, een half
uur of meer te verspillen voor niets.
Soms heb je een goede beeldspraak te pakken.
johns
--
johns
> gelovigen hebben god nodig om hun leven zin te geven, ze denken dat god een
> bedoeling met ze heeft. Een leven zonder god vinden ze maar niks. Je ziet
> die gelovigen hier vaak op de brug bij het station staan met een bord om hun
> nek "Jezus is er ook voor U"
> Het geluk straalt er vanaf....
M'n opa (altijd al een wat dwars mannetje) verklaarde ooit toen hij een
keer te laat op een verjaardag verscheen dat hij een half uur had staan
wachten bij een boord waar 'Jezus roept u!' op had gestaan, maar dat hij
toch echt niets gehoord had.
johns
--
Eliyahu
> "Gabriel Kuonen" <gavriel1...@gmail.com> schreef in berichtnews:03db7581-d6b4-4230...@h9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 29, 3:59 am, Tabula Rasa <schone...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:52:06 +0100, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid>
> > wrote:
>
> > >>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> wrote in
> > >>> news:f01306c7-1d93-4c51-a240
> > >> -
> > >>> 86235dcbb...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > >> Bs'd
>
>
>
> > Ik wel, en ik gun anderen ook hun geluk als ik zinloos lijdt.
>
> Bs'd
>
> Precies, als jij ongelukkig gaat zijn omdat andere mensen lijden, daar
> zijn die anderen niet mee geholpen, dus vermaak jezelf gewoon maar.
>
> Ja bedank God maar dat hij die andere laat barsten en niet jou ;o)
Bs'd
Het mooie is: Hij laat geen mens barsten.
Het lijkt alleen af en toe zo.
Eliyahu
Eliyahu
> Gabriel Kuonen <gavriel1...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 29, 3:12 am, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> >> Gabriel Kuonen <gavriel1...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
> >>> On Dec 29, 2:52 am, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
> >>>>> On Dec 29, 2:30 am, MK <n...@masterkbe.cjb.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>> news:f01306c7-1d93-4c51-a240
> >>>>> -
> >>>>>> 86235dcbb...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>>>>>> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>
> >>>>>> Wat zei Marx alweer? Iets met opium?
>
> >>>>> Bs'd
>
> >>>>> Zolang je maar gelukkig bent.
>
> >>>> Kun jij gelukkig zijn als anderen zinloos moeten lijden?
>
>
> >>> Ik kan blij zijn want ik geloof niet dat er zinloos lijden bestaat.
>
>
> > Bs'd
>
> > Lijden wist zonden uit.
>
> Dus jij wil zeggen dat iemand die lijdt, dat dat zijn eigen schuld is.
>
Bs'd
Alleen God weet wat die mensen wel en niet verdienen.
Eliyahu
Eliyahu
> Gabriel Kuonen <gavriel1...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
>
>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
> >>>> On Dec 29, 2:30 am, MK <n...@masterkbe.cjb.net> wrote:
> >>>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>> news:f01306c7-1d93-4c51-a240
> >>>> -
> >>>>> 86235dcbb...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>>>>> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>
> >>>>> Wat zei Marx alweer? Iets met opium?
>
> >>>> Bs'd
>
> >>>> Zolang je maar gelukkig bent.
>
> >>> Kun jij gelukkig zijn als anderen zinloos moeten lijden?
>
>
> > Bs'd
>
> > Precies, als jij ongelukkig gaat zijn omdat andere mensen lijden, daar
> > zijn die anderen niet mee geholpen, dus vermaak jezelf gewoon maar.
>
> kanker.
Bs'd
Mijn moeder lijdt op het moment pijn, niet door terminale kanker, en
dat kan me wel schelen, maar ik wordt er niet depressief van of zo.
Ik weet dat ook dat ten goede is.
Zinloos lijden bestaat niet.
Toch heb ik haar white widow geadviseerd, maar ze wil nog niet.
Eliyahu
Eliyahu
> Gabriel Kuonen <gavriel1...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 29, 3:12 am, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> >> Gabriel Kuonen <gavriel1...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
> >>>> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
>
>
>
> >>> Beter blij dan depressief.
>
> >> Waarom is dat beter?
>
> > Bs'd
>
> > Blij zijn is een veel prettiger gevoel dan depressief zijn.
>
> allemaal.
Bs'd
Ik geloof niet dat er iets mis is met een gezonde dosis egoisme.
Je moet je naaste liefhebben als jezelf.
Als je jezelf niet liefhebt, dan kan je je naaste niet liefhebben als
jezelf.
Eliyahu
Eliyahu
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:05:04 -0800 (PST), Gabriel Kuonen
>
> <gavriel1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 29, 3:51 am, PieterW <pieterw4809-notth...@live.nl> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:07:34 -0800 (PST), Eliyahu> >> religieuzen wanen zich gelukkiger.
>
> >Bs'd
>
> >The power of positive thinking!
>
> >Alleen al die wanen maken iemand gelukkiger!
>
> mmm...of iemand komt in het gesticht.
Bs'd
Zolang als je daar gelukkig bent is er niks aan de hand.
Eliyahu
Eliyahu
> Maar ja, er is geen God schijnbaar.
Bs'd
Schijnbaar.
Maar wie weet, misschien bedriegt de schijn.
Maar gezien het antropisch principe schijnt er toch wel weer een
intelligente ontwerper te zijn.
Eliyahu
Eliyahu
> "Gabriel Kuonen" <gavriel1...@gmail.com> schreef in berichtnews:53ddb392-01d9-46dd...@22g2000yqr.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 29, 3:37 am, "Bellende Belhamel" <bellendeb...@m.el> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Eliyahu" <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in
>
> > > Bs'd
>
> > > Voor degenen die het artikel wat te lang vinden om helemaal door te
> > > lezen, hier is de paragraaf waar het om gaat:
>
> > > their own religious tradition, because religious people, notes Ben-
> > > Shahar, are generally happier than non-religious people.
>
> > > They believe in God and therefore have hope and feel there is meaning
> > > and purpose to their lives, all of which are positive emotions. Along
> > > with a greater sense of community, religious Jews also have more
> > > social encounters in synagogue and during Shabbat meals with family
> > > and friends. Keeping Shabbat as a day of rest once a week and actually
> > > not doing any work is an anomaly in today's capitalistically driven
> > > society, and significantly contributes to one's well-being and
> > > effectiveness."
>
>
> > Ik leef liever in de realiteit dan in een leugen.
>
> Bs'd
>
> En hoe weet je dat jouw realiteit geen leugen is?
> ====================================
> Zijn mijn gebeden al verhoord? nee dus
> ====================================
Bs'd
Maar dat betekent niet dat jouw realiteit dan maar juist is.
Misschien bestaat God wel degelijk, maar heeft hij alleen geen zin om
jouw op je wenken te bedienen.
Eliyahu
Eliyahu
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:24:25 -0800 (PST), Gabriel Kuonen
>
>
>
> <gavriel1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 29, 3:18 am, Gabriel Kuonen <gavriel1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 29, 3:12 am, neorg <ne...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> > Gabriel Kuonen <gavriel1...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
> >> > >> Eliyahu <silvermountz...@gmail.com> schreef in nl.religie:
>
> >> > >>> Dus de religieuzen zijn gelukkiger dan de atheisten.
>
>
> >> > > Bs'd
>
> >> > > Beter blij dan depressief.
>
> >> > Waarom is dat beter?
>
> >> Bs'd
>
> >> Blij zijn is een veel prettiger gevoel dan depressief zijn.
>
>
> >> Eliyahu
>
> >Bs'd
>
> >Of ben jij liever depressief dan gelukkig?
>
> geen bergen zonder dalen.
> en ook een depressie is zinvol zoals je zelf al zei.
Bs'd
Maar toch vermijd ik een depressie liever.
Ik ben toch liever gelukkig.
Eliyahu