IRA won't disarm
Benjamin Madigan
another part of their republican propaganda machine. They know the UUC will
meet next month and as there has been no decommisioning they will vote
against a continuation in the executive with SF. Then the whole thing will
collapse and everyone will say "Those bloody Unionists". Therefore the
Unionists will look bad in the eyes of the world which may destroy them. SF
will be the "golden boys".
Yes very good SF/IRA you're destroying Unionism, the RUC and your members
roam free from jail. Your peace is just a ploy.
Lulamae Sweeney
You've diagnosed the problem. Now figure out the solution.
Lulamae
Hippo
"Benjamin Madigan"
> The IRA have no intention of disarming ever. Their 'peace' strategy is
just
> another part of their republican propaganda machine.
C'mon Ben, the days of paramilitaries in Modern Europe are over. The IRA can
see it clear. They even became an embarassment for the Republic which wants
to be an equal partner in the EU. That's in part why their support has dried
up. No more rubles from the KGB, semtex from the Stasi or training from
Lybia who has become tired of international sanctions. The older hard
drinking Irish Nationalists in Boston have died out and their kids have
become Americans first with sports cars to buy with their money. Gone too is
their whole raison d'etre with the EU. They have become obsolete in a Europe
which was passing them by.
Same thing happened to the PLO after the Gulf War. Their sources of arab
gold and support dried up after Arafat sided with Iraq. It's the political
arena or oblivion for them. That's why I trust 'em. Handing in so many guns
and so many kilos of Semtex is only symbolic and they know it. For Adams et
al it was take a government checque, compete with the Russian and Albanian
mafias for the drug trade, or retire back to working behind a pub bar. Hell
the Garda are uncovering more arms caches than the RUC these days. Give it a
chance for God's sake.
Hippo
Keith Mills
Benjamin Madigan <benma...@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:855kca$mli$1...@gxsn.com...
> The IRA have no intention of disarming ever. Their 'peace' strategy is
just
> another part of their republican propaganda machine.
IF SF/IRA were really interested in disarming, they've had years to do it.
At this stage I've almost lost count of the number of opportunites they've
had to finally take the gun out of politics in N.I.
> They know the UUC will
> meet next month and as there has been no decommisioning they will vote
> against a continuation in the executive with SF.
Keeping my fingers crossed on that one. Certainly the signs are good at the
moment. Current estimates say that if there is no decommissioning, that the
anti-Agreement side would win 60-40.
> Then the whole thing will
> collapse and everyone will say "Those bloody Unionists". Therefore the
> Unionists will look bad in the eyes of the world which may destroy them.
SF
> will be the "golden boys".
Not this time. Only an idiot would blame unionists for pulling out of a
government which had armed terrrorists who had no intention of disarming
after every opportunity. Even their friends in this country, would be had
pressed to defend SF/IRA is decommissioning doesn't start in the next few
weeks.
>
> Yes very good SF/IRA you're destroying Unionism, the RUC and your members
> roam free from jail. Your peace is just a ploy.
>
If you want to blame anyone for destroying unionism, blame Trimble. He has
led a faction on unionism down a cul de sac despite the warning of older and
wiser heads. SF/IRA were simply clever enough to sucker the UK and Irish
governments (and others) that they really were interested in putting away
the guns forever. I don't expect any better of SF/IRA. They are lying
cowardly murderers before the "peace process" and they are the same today.
It takes more than a designer suit and a PR consultant to turn a
bloodthirsty terrorist into a politician,
Keith
Muttley
Hippo <hi...@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:efZxZgVW$GA.277@cpmsnbbsa04...
>
> "Benjamin Madigan"
>
> > The IRA have no intention of disarming ever. Their 'peace' strategy is
> just
> > another part of their republican propaganda machine.
>
If it is the case that the IRA's days are over then there is no need to make
any concessions to it or make any constitutional changes to Northern
Ireland. In other words the UUC has nothing to fear from pulling out of the
Executive.
Harry Merrick
> "Benjamin Madigan"
>
> > The IRA have no intention of disarming ever. Their 'peace' strategy is
> just
> > another part of their republican propaganda machine.
>
> C'mon Ben, the days of paramilitaries in Modern Europe are over. The IRA can
> see it clear. They even became an embarassment for the Republic which wants
> to be an equal partner in the EU. That's in part why their support has dried
> up. No more rubles from the KGB, semtex from the Stasi or training from
> Lybia who has become tired of international sanctions. The older hard
> drinking Irish Nationalists in Boston have died out and their kids have
> become Americans first with sports cars to buy with their money. Gone too is
> their whole raison d'etre with the EU. They have become obsolete in a Europe
> which was passing them by.
> Same thing happened to the PLO after the Gulf War. Their sources of arab
> gold and support dried up after Arafat sided with Iraq. It's the political
> arena or oblivion for them. That's why I trust 'em. Handing in so many guns
> and so many kilos of Semtex is only symbolic and they know it. For Adams et
> al it was take a government checque, compete with the Russian and Albanian
> mafias for the drug trade, or retire back to working behind a pub bar. Hell
> the Garda are uncovering more arms caches than the RUC these days. Give it a
> chance for God's sake.
>
> Hippo
Good heavens, Hippo, for once I agree with every word! :-))
--
Harry.
---
"Those Who Dwell In The Past Have No Life In The Future."
(Anon)
---
ICQ# 2546277
Harry Merrick
> The IRA have no intention of disarming ever.
Certainly, it looks that way. But we all knew that anyway. They have not given
up one iota of principle since the start of the talks apart from the illegal
claim on the North! But it doesn't matter, don't you see? They will be exposed
as the lying, devious, hypocrites that they are, and will be rejected by all,
the length and breadth of Ireland. They will then be hounded and hunted for the
barbarous murderers that they have proven themselves to be.
> Their 'peace' strategy is just
> another part of their republican propaganda machine.
Of course. Surely you don't think that *you* are the only one to realise that?
> They know the UUC will
> meet next month and as there has been no decommisioning they will vote
> against a continuation in the executive with SF.
I think you are wrong there actually. Politics being politics, I am sure that a
suitable fudge or compromise will be reached. It is too important to have the
institutions of shared rule up and running, forbye what the Republican Movement
in it's death throes may do.
> Then the whole thing will
> collapse and everyone will say "Those bloody Unionists".
I really don't see how you come to that conclusion. The Unionists have done
their utmost to make the GFA a reality. The *only* thing stopping it *is*
Republican intransigence and threats! It is Sinn Féin/IRA who will receive the
brickbats, and Unionist who will come out smelling of Roses. Republicans have
been outsmarted on this one!
> Therefore the
> Unionists will look bad in the eyes of the world which may destroy them. SF
> will be the "golden boys".
Nope. Unduly pessimistic Ben. You wait and see!
>
>
> Yes very good SF/IRA you're destroying Unionism,
Wait and see.
> the RUC
Not yet! Wait and see.
> and your members
> roam free from jail.
Well, so do Loyalist terrorists as well. I don't think any of them will be out
for long, realistically, do you?
> Your peace is just a ploy.
Of course. But they have now been foist on their own petard. They have to make
it work. I find that highly amusing actually.
Harry Merrick
>
..........."SNIP"........
>
>
> If you want to blame anyone for destroying unionism, blame Trimble. He has
> led a faction on unionism down a cul de sac despite the warning of older and
> wiser heads.
Don't agree actually. And that's from someone who didn't have a lot of time for
Trimble. We simply could not go on going on the way we were. Something had to
change to break the circle. Otherwise, we would just continue down the violence
route until solutions were imposed upon us by the british and irish Governments
whether we liked it or not! This is a much safer and democratic way to go.
> SF/IRA were simply clever enough to sucker the UK and Irish
> governments (and others) that they really were interested in putting away
> the guns forever.
You obviously think that the UK and Irish Governments have absolutely no wit
between them and are stupid and thick to a fault. They are not so, of course.
Both Governments are fully aware of the problems and pitfalls, and this is
probably the sanest way around it.
> I don't expect any better of SF/IRA. They are lying
> cowardly murderers before the "peace process" and they are the same today.
I agree. But then, it has become normal, world wide, to include reformed
terrorists and murderers in government if that is what it takes for peace.
Actually, I think that McGuinness is shaping up rather well!
>
> It takes more than a designer suit and a PR consultant to turn a
> bloodthirsty terrorist into a politician,
>
Of course! You have got as cynical as me!! Once they have tasted the fruits of a
safe career, however, they will not give it up without a fight. I am sure that
the GFA will eventually succeed for this reason alone!
Alex Tyrrell
Keith Mills <kei...@eircom.net> wrote in message
news:855t8o$hla$1...@scotty.tinet.ie...
>
> Benjamin Madigan <benma...@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:855kca$mli$1...@gxsn.com...
> just
> > another part of their republican propaganda machine.
>
> At this stage I've almost lost count of the number of opportunites they've
> had to finally take the gun out of politics in N.I.
>
> > meet next month and as there has been no decommisioning they will vote
> > against a continuation in the executive with SF.
>
the
> moment. Current estimates say that if there is no decommissioning, that
the
> anti-Agreement side would win 60-40.
>
> > Unionists will look bad in the eyes of the world which may destroy them.
> SF
> > will be the "golden boys".
>
> government which had armed terrrorists who had no intention of disarming
> after every opportunity. Even their friends in this country, would be had
> pressed to defend SF/IRA is decommissioning doesn't start in the next few
> weeks.
>
> >
members
> > roam free from jail. Your peace is just a ploy.
> >
>
> If you want to blame anyone for destroying unionism, blame Trimble. He has
> led a faction on unionism down a cul de sac despite the warning of older
and
> governments (and others) that they really were interested in putting away
> cowardly murderers before the "peace process" and they are the same today.
> bloodthirsty terrorist into a politician,
>
Well said Keith.
JAT
Hippo
"Muttley" wrote in
> If it is the case that the IRA's days are over then there is no need to
make
> any concessions to it or make any constitutional changes to Northern
> Ireland. In other words the UUC has nothing to fear from pulling out of
the
> Executive.
You probably could have waited them out with more years of bombings as the
RUC and Garda tied the noose tighter, you having given them no out. There is
an old military axiom that says if you want to take a defended position the
hard way then trap the enemy. If not then give them a route to escape. The
saw applies equally to politics. Do you think saving 50 or so lives is worth
doing what should have been done years ago anyway; try to include almost
half of the population of NI in the government?
Hippo
Hippo
"Harry Merrick wrote in message
> Good heavens, Hippo, for once I agree with every word! :-))
With any luck you'll find even more to agree with in this ng as time goes
on. Watch, for example, the right/left axis continue to develop as the Troll
stirs the fruitfull waters. It's both more interesting and profitable than
the religeous and nationalist bigotry that has been the usual ration here.
In other words, politics as usual.
el Trollo
mmcdon
<uHUo65iW$GA.262@cpmsnbbsa03>...
>
> "Harry Merrick wrote in message
>
> > Good heavens, Hippo, for once I agree with every word! :-))
>
> With any luck you'll find even more to agree with in this ng as time goes
> on. Watch, for example, the right/left axis continue to develop as the
Troll
> stirs the fruitfull waters.
What right/left axis do you see developing? Let's try this kids a patented
*scipoliticometre*...
Let's group the locals. Starting with the really obvious ones.
Right:
Ray, Pamelaz9, Dave Moore, Hippo, Ben Madigan, Colin, Alex Tyrell
Left:
Justin, me, Unki, Tom McVey
Start adding names folks...
Is mise le meas,
Brian Cahill
Gerry Doyle
Muttley <Mut...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:23Jd4.812$aE1....@news3.cableinet.net...
> If it is the case that the IRA's days are over then there is no need to
make
> any concessions to it or make any constitutional changes to Northern
> Ireland. In other words the UUC has nothing to fear from pulling out of
the
> Executive.
Talk about missing the point.
G
Harry Merrick
> "Muttley" wrote in
>
> > If it is the case that the IRA's days are over then there is no need to
> make
> > any concessions to it or make any constitutional changes to Northern
> > Ireland. In other words the UUC has nothing to fear from pulling out of
> the
> > Executive.
>
> You probably could have waited them out with more years of bombings as the
> RUC and Garda tied the noose tighter, you having given them no out. There is
> an old military axiom that says if you want to take a defended position the
> hard way then trap the enemy. If not then give them a route to escape. The
> saw applies equally to politics. Do you think saving 50 or so lives is worth
> doing what should have been done years ago anyway; try to include almost
> half of the population of NI in the government?
>
> Hippo
WOW! I agree yet again. Well said.
Harry Merrick
> "Harry Merrick wrote in message
>
> > Good heavens, Hippo, for once I agree with every word! :-))
>
> With any luck you'll find even more to agree with in this ng as time goes
> on. Watch, for example, the right/left axis continue to develop as the Troll
> stirs the fruitfull waters. It's both more interesting and profitable than
> the religeous and nationalist bigotry that has been the usual ration here.
> In other words, politics as usual.
>
> el Trollo
Yes indeed. And a lot more fun into the bargain.
Brendan Heading
writes
>Justin, me, Unki, Tom McVey
I'm fairly left. Not as left as you though. I may well be a bit lefter
than Tom McVey (hi Tom - I'm going to phone you when you return to SF
sometime).
--
Brendan Heading, Ballsbridge, Dublin Ireland
I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming
and wailing like the passengers in his bus.
Brendan Heading
writes
>It's both more interesting and profitable than
>the religeous and nationalist bigotry that has been the usual ration here.
>In other words, politics as usual.
Paddy Devlin (RIP) had been advocating since the 1960s the development
of a left-right consensus, from his socialist point of view that
capitalism was benefiting from the continued conflict at the expense of
the working class communities in both Catholic and Protestant areas.
Unfortunately as the conflict intensified he found himself increasingly
marginalized.
I agree that it is a far more interesting and profitable way to conduct
politics. Ironically Northern Ireland has developed it's own form of
left-right politics; unionists are generally right (economically and
socially) and republicans and nationalists are generally left. Any talk
of "bourgeois imperialism" etc. scares unionists off as they're so used
to hearing it from republicans.
mmcdon
Brendan Heading <b.he...@dnet.co.uk> wrote in article
<0c4OJUAq...@dnet.co.uk>...
> In article <01bf5a31$bf5e7840$7092cbc1@default>, mmcdon <mmm...@iol.ie>
> writes
> >Justin, me, Unki, Tom McVey
>
> I'm fairly left. Not as left as you though. I may well be a bit lefter
That makes five. Who else belongs over here on the side of light?
g&e
mmcdon <mmm...@iol.ie> wrote in message
news:01bf5ac6$bd35b020$cc90cbc1@default...
What no middle path!!
Geoff (The sound of one head shaking)
Bob Spowart
Harry Merrick wrote in message <38776E7A...@agencies.dnet.co.uk>...
>Hippo wrote:
>
>> "Benjamin Madigan"
<SNIP>
>
>Good heavens, Hippo, for once I agree with every word! :-))
>
>
Bob
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>Left:
>
>Justin, me, Unki, Tom McVey
>
>Start adding names folks...
You could safely stick me there in the good company of the lefties.
Farther left the older I get, happily. I was always told you just wait
till you grow up. Well ha ha to dem I'm a old radical lunatic now,
worse than I ever was. I agreed with Merrick once. Does that make me
ineligible?
____________________________________________________
"I never play to win" Is what she said
And poured a little cocaine in my head
mmcdon
Sheela <She...@lomans.com> wrote in article
<E+B4OBOXuzzLOWrKcwc=+hbJ...@4ax.com>...
> On Sat, 08 Jan 2000 23:51:31 GMT, "mmcdon" <mmm...@iol.ie> wrote:
>
> I agreed with Merrick once. Does that make me
> ineligible?
No, merely silly.
John McMenamy
Keith Mills <kei...@eircom.net> wrote in message
news:855t8o$hla$1...@scotty.tinet.ie...
>
> Benjamin Madigan <benma...@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > They know the UUC will
> > meet next month and as there has been no decommisioning they will vote
> > against a continuation in the executive with SF.
>
> Keeping my fingers crossed on that one. Certainly the signs are good at
the
> moment. Current estimates say that if there is no decommissioning, that
the
> anti-Agreement side would win 60-40.
The signs are good for what ?
It's getting rather difficult for your readership to keep track of where you
stand on this with all the u-turns.
John.
Muttley
>
> "Muttley" wrote in
>
> > If it is the case that the IRA's days are over then there is no need to
> make
> > any concessions to it or make any constitutional changes to Northern
> > Ireland. In other words the UUC has nothing to fear from pulling out of
> the
> > Executive.
>
> You probably could have waited them out with more years of bombings as the
> RUC and Garda tied the noose tighter, you having given them no out. There
is
> an old military axiom that says if you want to take a defended position
the
> hard way then trap the enemy. If not then give them a route to escape. The
> saw applies equally to politics. Do you think saving 50 or so lives is
worth
> doing what should have been done years ago anyway; try to include almost
> half of the population of NI in the government?
>
I presume you don't mean the last line. What I guess you mean is include
the representatives of about 40% of the population in the Government. There
are 2 responses to this:
1. 55% of the population of the UK are governed by a party they did not
vote for. Few regard this as a great crime.
2. Many nationalists only have themselves to blame. I find it difficult to
imagine that any British Government would have refused a request from the
West Bank of the Foyle or South Armagh to leave the UK. The conclusion must
be that these people have not been represented in government because that is
what they have chosen.
Muttley
Gerry Doyle <alac...@NO-FECKINSPAM-ireland.com> wrote in message
news:858lk4$ev5$1...@fraggle.esatclear.ie...
>
> Muttley <Mut...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:23Jd4.812$aE1....@news3.cableinet.net...
>
> make
> > any concessions to it or make any constitutional changes to Northern
> > Ireland. In other words the UUC has nothing to fear from pulling out of
> the
> > Executive.
>
>
Well, what is the point then?
Hippo
"mmcdon" wrote in message > > >Justin, me, Unki, Tom McVey
> >
> > I'm fairly left. Not as left as you though. I may well be a bit lefter
> > than Tom McVey.
>
> That makes five. Who else belongs over here on the side of light?
And on the right side we have who?
The Troll
Hippo
"mmcdon" wrote in message
> That makes five. Who else belongs over here on the side of light?
Don't be modest, you have Danielle and the Chicago
moderator-of-unmoderated-newsgroups.
Just because he believes in canning doesn't mean he isn't yours. Just
mentioning privately owned firearms and you will be able to hear his panties
blowing out all the way in Dublin.
el Trollo
mmcdon
>
> "mmcdon" wrote in message
>
> > That makes five. Who else belongs over here on the side of light?
>
> Don't be modest, you have Danielle
I forgot about her.
> and the Chicago
> moderator-of-unmoderated-newsgroups.
> Just because he believes in canning doesn't mean he isn't yours. Just
> mentioning privately owned firearms and you will be able to hear his
panties
> blowing out all the way in Dublin.
Not an issue on which there is a left\right split. The three people
furthest left in these parts are all pro-guns.
mmcdon
>
> "mmcdon" wrote in message > > >Justin, me, Unki, Tom McVey
> > >
> > > I'm fairly left. Not as left as you though. I may well be a bit
lefter
> > > than Tom McVey.
> >
>
Hippo, Pamelaz9, Ben Madigan, Ray, Dave Moore, Alex Tyrell so far
The left stands at:
Sheela, Brendan, Ger, Unki, Danielle, Justin, me, Tom McVey
mmcdon
Muttley <Mut...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in article
<8n6e4.1232$aE1....@news3.cableinet.net>...
> 2. Many nationalists only have themselves to blame. I find it difficult
to
> imagine that any British Government would have refused a request from the
> West Bank of the Foyle or South Armagh to leave the UK. The conclusion
must
> be that these people have not been represented in government because that
is
> what they have chosen.
You are of course aware that nationalist councils affiliated to the Dail,
and were suppressed for their troubles?
Aleister Crowley's Cat
wrote:
>
>"mmcdon" wrote in message > > >Justin, me, Unki, Tom McVey
>> >
>> > I'm fairly left. Not as left as you though. I may well be a bit lefter
>> > than Tom McVey.
>>
>> That makes five. Who else belongs over here on the side of light?
>
>And on the right side we have who?
>
>The Troll
>
>
>
Moi.
Regards,
Dave
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(The Legions of the Black Moon - the unofficial Bal-Sagoth homepage)
====================================================================
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Aleister Crowley's Cat
>
>Hippo <hi...@southsudan.net> wrote in article
><uM82tHuW$GA.276@cpmsnbbsa04>...
>>
>> "mmcdon" wrote in message > > >Justin, me, Unki, Tom McVey
>> > >
>> > > I'm fairly left. Not as left as you though. I may well be a bit
>lefter
>> > > than Tom McVey.
>> >
>> > That makes five. Who else belongs over here on the side of light?
>>
>> And on the right side we have who?
>
>Hippo, Pamelaz9, Ben Madigan, Ray, Dave Moore, Alex Tyrell so far
>
>The left stands at:
>
>Sheela, Brendan, Ger, Unki, Danielle, Justin, me, Tom McVey
>
Danielle is a pinko as well.
Aleister Crowley's Cat
<babydrive...@postmaster.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>If you are right then I say good on yer Benjamin Madigan.
>If you are wrong(and I think you are) then I say CUNT!
>
>
Are you getting splinters in your arse?
hippo
Aleister Crowley's Cat wrote in message
> >And on the right side we have who?
> Moi.
Yup, the teams are filling nicely; almost even in numbers. I think we have
Harry to. What say Harry? - The Troll
hippo
mmcdon wrote in message
> Sheela > wrote in article
> > I agreed with Merrick once. Does that make me
> > ineligible?
>
> No, merely silly.
No, for once in your life you were right. (har, har, har) - the Troll
mmcdon
Aleister Crowley's Cat <mango...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
<3879034...@news.freeserve.net>...
> On Sun, 09 Jan 2000 21:21:03 GMT, "mmcdon" <mmm...@iol.ie> wrote:
> >> And on the right side we have who?
> >
> >Hippo, Pamelaz9, Ben Madigan, Ray, Dave Moore, Alex Tyrell so far
> >
> >The left stands at:
> >
> >Sheela, Brendan, Ger, Unki, Danielle, Justin, me, Tom McVey
> >
>
> Danielle is a pinko as well.
Want to read what I said again...
"...Unki, Danielle, Justin..."
By the way, our side has fewer idiots so far.
Harry Merrick
> On Sat, 08 Jan 2000 23:51:31 GMT, "mmcdon" <mmm...@iol.ie> wrote:
>
> >Left:
> >
> >Justin, me, Unki, Tom McVey
> >
> >Start adding names folks...
>
> You could safely stick me there in the good company of the lefties.
> Farther left the older I get, happily. I was always told you just wait
> till you grow up. Well ha ha to dem I'm a old radical lunatic now,
> worse than I ever was. I agreed with Merrick once. Does that make me
> ineligible?
LOL! - Now now! I, of course, am far away to the right and love every
minute of it! I doubt that any of you are that much to the left,
otherwise you would not be comfortably discussing the horrors of life from
your armchairs, let alone owning an expensive toy like a computer!
Brendan Heading
<She...@lomans.com> writes
>On Sat, 08 Jan 2000 23:51:31 GMT, "mmcdon" <mmm...@iol.ie> wrote:
>
>
>>Left:
>>
>>Justin, me, Unki, Tom McVey
>>
>>Start adding names folks...
>
>You could safely stick me there in the good company of the lefties.
>Farther left the older I get, happily.
I thought you voted Republican ? T'was only recently I heard you
describing the untold benefits of free enterprise. I think.
mmcdon
> In article <E+B4OBOXuzzLOWrKcwc=+hbJ...@4ax.com>, Sheela
> <She...@lomans.com> writes
> >On Sat, 08 Jan 2000 23:51:31 GMT, "mmcdon" <mmm...@iol.ie> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Left:
> >>
> >>Justin, me, Unki, Tom McVey
> >>
> >>Start adding names folks...
> >
> >You could safely stick me there in the good company of the lefties.
> >Farther left the older I get, happily.
>
> I thought you voted Republican ? T'was only recently I heard you
> describing the untold benefits of free enterprise. I think.
I think you may be confusing Sheela with Pamelaz9...
> Brendan Heading, Ballsbridge, Dublin Ireland
Are you still living in Ballsbridge? What the hell are you doing in Dublin
anyway?
Sheela
<b.he...@dnet.co.uk> wrote:
>I thought you voted Republican ? T'was only recently I heard you
>describing the untold benefits of free enterprise. I think.
That'd be a different Sheela voting republican. I have the opportunity
locally to vote progressive, that is the party in power where I live
and it is socialist as is my congressman. I've never voted Republican
in the US in national elections. I won't say what party I am in
Ireland. That will remain a mystery and irrelevant at this point as I
do not live there now. Untold benefits of free enterprise? You may
have mistaken my rant about Thatcher selling off the water rights to
private enterprise. My suggestion was that if the government could not
invest the capital to update their systems, contract management would
have been a far better option. Selling off one's water rights is
selling off one's human rights in my opinion. I once gave a short
lecture entitled "Thatcher was the Devil" to a number of personnel who
had been told the day before "Thatcher was a Visionary".
hippo
Harry Merrick wrote in message
Now now! I, of course, am far away to the right and love every
> minute of it!
I knew it Harry. Already put you on the list of the good, wise, educated,
handsome and intelligent.
The Troll
Sheela
<merr...@agencies.dnet.co.uk> wrote:
>LOL! - Now now! I, of course, am far away to the right and love every
>minute of it! I doubt that any of you are that much to the left,
>otherwise you would not be comfortably discussing the horrors of life from
>your armchairs, let alone owning an expensive toy like a computer!
Ach, the ability to understand and manipulate a system you don't
support allows you the ability and undermine it :) And I am a leftie
that thinks life is fascinating and full of joy.
hippo
Sheela wrote in message
I once gave a short
> lecture entitled "Thatcher was the Devil" to a number of personnel who
> had been told the day before "Thatcher was a Visionary".
That's what cocaine will do for ya. Maggy is my hero(ine). The only western
leader since Winston with cahones. You've just got to hear my lecture on how
she saved Britain and Western Civilization. Winston was hated too but a
bunch of his detractors were hanged at Nuremburg. Ah for the good old days.
Hippo who worships at Maggie's feet
mmcdon
> On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:25:13 +0000, Brendan Heading
> <b.he...@dnet.co.uk> wrote:
> I won't say what party I am in
> Ireland.
Ah, go on...
You're just embarrassed to admit to being in the Labour party...
mmcdon
<38799A45...@agencies.dnet.co.uk>...
> mmcdon wrote:
> > > >> And on the right side we have who?
> > > >
> > > >Hippo, Pamelaz9, Ben Madigan, Ray, Dave Moore, Alex Tyrell so far
> > > >
> > > >The left stands at:
> > > >
> > > >Sheela, Brendan, Ger, Unki, Danielle, Justin, me, Tom McVey
> > By the way, our side has fewer idiots so far.
> >
>
> Ah. So says you. But that is merely a matter of opinion of course.
Would you dispute it? I don't accuse the entire right faction of being
idiots, but there is certainly a fair sample of them.
Aleister Crowley's Cat
The left has quite a few idiots as well.
Everyone has idiots.
Regards,
Dave
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Before you buy.
Gerry Doyle
mmcdon <mmm...@iol.ie> wrote in message
news:01bf5ac6$bd35b020$cc90cbc1@default...
> That makes five. Who else belongs over here on the side of light?
Count me in, but I'm not playing in goal...
G
Gerry Doyle
hippo <hi...@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:uNQy5$uW$GA.170@cpmsnbbsa03...
>
> Yup, the teams are filling nicely; almost even in numbers. I think we have
> Harry to. What say Harry? - The Troll
You'll have to take some time to teach Alex how to do anything other than
reproduce someone else's 5k post with his one line of obscenity tacked on
the end.
And you're welcome to Najwa too, when he turns up.
So who's the ref?
G
Gerry Doyle
> > > If it is the case that the IRA's days are over then there is no need
to
> > make
> > > any concessions to it or make any constitutional changes to Northern
> > > Ireland. In other words the UUC has nothing to fear from pulling out
of
> > the
> > > Executive.
> >
> > Talk about missing the point.
> >
>
> Well, what is the point then?
Consensus.
G
hippo
Gerry Doyle <alac...@NO-FECKINSPAM-ireland.com> wrote in message
Yup - Hippo
hippo
Gerry Doyle wrote in message
> And you're welcome to Najwa too, when he turns up.
I guess that means you're on the 'other' side?
> So who's the ref?
Ref? In a left/right political argument? You kidding? I wouldn't trust my
own mother with a job like that, or Mother Theresa for that matter. Geoff is
the only nice person in this ng but he's just the teensiest bit pink. I
probably would trust him, but he'd be put off by the job. The rest of us are
nasty and mean, perfect for a nice fight but untrustworthy in the end.
Besides we wouldn't want ot be neutral would we? I mean not*really*. - The
Troll
hippo
Harry Merrick wrote in message > Oh yes, absolutely! :-))
>
> I did say so in a previous posting actually
Welcome then Harry to the fources of right. T'is just a head count now.
We'll do a fang count later after the first few broadsides. - the Troll
hippo
Gerry Doyle wrote in message
> Count me in, but I'm not playing in goal...
Didn't think of you as a goal tender. This could be fun - The troll
Sheela
wrote:
>
>Gerry Doyle wrote in message
>
>> Count me in, but I'm not playing in goal...
>
>Didn't think of you as a goal tender. This could be fun - The troll
>
Yeah well I'm not wrestling Merrick either.
Muttley
Let's assume, for the sake of argument that you are right, that some time in
the dim and distant past a few councils voted to join the Republic.
So what? Is the claim being made today? Has it been made at any time in
the last 30 years? The people of the West Bank and South Armagh are in the
UK because they have chosen to be.
Muttley
No that is a word not an point. An pointis something like "Consensus
government is better therefore all parties over a certain size should have a
share in government.
I ask again what is the point?
Harry Merrick
> Aleister Crowley's Cat wrote in message
>
> > >And on the right side we have who?
>
> > Moi.
>
> Yup, the teams are filling nicely; almost even in numbers. I think we have
> Harry to. What say Harry? - The Troll
Oh yes, absolutely! :-))
I did say so in a previous posting actually.
Harry Merrick
> Aleister Crowley's Cat <mango...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
> <3879034...@news.freeserve.net>...
> > On Sun, 09 Jan 2000 21:21:03 GMT, "mmcdon" <mmm...@iol.ie> wrote:
>
> > >> And on the right side we have who?
> > >
> > >Hippo, Pamelaz9, Ben Madigan, Ray, Dave Moore, Alex Tyrell so far
> > >
> > >The left stands at:
> > >
> > >Sheela, Brendan, Ger, Unki, Danielle, Justin, me, Tom McVey
> > >
> >
> > Danielle is a pinko as well.
>
> Want to read what I said again...
>
> "...Unki, Danielle, Justin..."
>
> By the way, our side has fewer idiots so far.
>
> Is mise le meas,
> Brian Cahill
Ah. So says you. But that is merely a matter of opinion of course. To
accuse the opposition of being *anything* reeks of the inability to
substantiate ones' arguments in any other way.
Ergoge the Niffirg
<alac...@NO-FECKINSPAM-ireland.com> wrote:
>
>hippo <hi...@southsudan.net> wrote in message
>news:uNQy5$uW$GA.170@cpmsnbbsa03...
>>
>> Yup, the teams are filling nicely; almost even in numbers. I think we have
>> Harry to. What say Harry? - The Troll
>
>You'll have to take some time to teach Alex how to do anything other than
>reproduce someone else's 5k post with his one line of obscenity tacked on
>the end.
>
>And you're welcome to Najwa too, when he turns up.
>
>So who's the ref?
>
I am.
Rule 1. The referee's decision is final
Rule 2. See rule 1.
ok, I want a good fight, doesn't have to be clean but please mind the
spectators. Remember to break for a word from our sponsors (do you
think Tatyo would put up some dosh?)
I would say no biting, gouging, hitting below the belt but were would
the fun be then.
Seconds out, round 1.....
Gerry Doyle
>
> Gerry Doyle wrote in message
>
>
Yep, I'm with the good guys.
> > So who's the ref?
>
> Ref? In a left/right political argument? You kidding? I wouldn't trust my
> own mother with a job like that, or Mother Theresa for that matter. Geoff
is
> the only nice person in this ng but he's just the teensiest bit pink.
And there was me thinking that my sense of justice and fair play shone
beaconlike from the murk of SCI bias and partisanism...
G
Brendan Heading
writes
>> Brendan Heading, Ballsbridge, Dublin Ireland
>
>Are you still living in Ballsbridge?
"still" ? I haven't been here that long.
>What the hell are you doing in Dublin
>anyway?
Selling copies of "An Phoblacht" outside the GPO.
--
Brendan Heading, Ballsbridge, Dublin Ireland
I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming
Brendan Heading
writes
>> And on the right side we have who?
>
>Hippo, Pamelaz9, Ben Madigan,
Ben hasn't said anything other than act as a mouthpiece for the DUP. I'm
not sure that makes him right.
g&e
hippo <hi...@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:eMpTuc4W$GA.220@cpmsnbbsa04...
>
> Gerry Doyle wrote in message
>
> > And you're welcome to Najwa too, when he turns up.
>
> I guess that means you're on the 'other' side?
>
>
> Ref? In a left/right political argument? You kidding? I wouldn't
trust my
> own mother with a job like that, or Mother Theresa for that matter.
Geoff is
> the only nice person in this ng but he's just the teensiest bit
> probably would trust him, but he'd be put off by the job. The rest
of us are
> nasty and mean, perfect for a nice fight but untrustworthy in the
end.
> Besides we wouldn't want ot be neutral would we? I mean
not*really*. - The
> Troll
>
pink' hmmmmmmmm. as one who would rather be lumped with the
lumpenproles than classified, would rather vote SDLP than unionist,
but probably more Bush than Gore, I think I would rather stand on the
sidelines and snipe at both sides. Do Ray and Danielle cancel each
other out, or could they have a separate battle at half time?
Geoff - in a blue shirt with a reddish hue.
>
hippo
Gerry Doyle wrote in message
> And there was me thinking that my sense of justice and fair play shone
> beaconlike from the murk of SCI bias and partisanism...
Yer a truculently argumentative, egotistical, and opinionated bastard like
the rest of us. I sniffed yas out hiding under that flower. We Trolls have a
nose for this sort of business.
The Troll
hippo
mmcdon wrote in message to Brendan Heading
> Fancy a pint sometime?
Ah ha. I smell a commie plot in the making. 'A pint', he says. Yer up to no
good, the two of yas. Thinking up tricky tricks and cleaver strategies to
defeat the forces of Right. Never happen. We'll have Wolfie send up some of
his boyos from Tipperary to see you guys keep the talk to football and
fluzies.
The ever watchfull Troll
mmcdon
<emeknhAz...@dnet.co.uk>...
> >
>
> "still" ? I haven't been here that long.
I thought you were just here for the summer in the same way as I was in
London.
> >What the hell are you doing in Dublin
> >anyway?
>
> Selling copies of "An Phoblacht" outside the GPO.
If that were true it would be fucking hilarious. Fancy a pint sometime?
mmcdon
--
> In article <01bf5ae5$e26bf600$f190cbc1@default>, mmcdon <mmm...@iol.ie>
> writes
> >> And on the right side we have who?
> >
> >Hippo, Pamelaz9, Ben Madigan,
>
> Ben hasn't said anything other than act as a mouthpiece for the DUP. I'm
> not sure that makes him right.
Being a DUP supporter pretty much automatically makes you right wing.
Gerry Doyle
>
> > Well, what is the point then?
> >
> > Consensus.
> >
>
> No that is a word not an point. An pointis something like "Consensus
> government is better therefore all parties over a certain size should have
a
> share in government.
>
> I ask again what is the point?
>
Talk about an apt nickname.
G
mmcdon
<85ccn2$rpn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> In article <01bf5b46$1fb5a6e0$1891cbc1@default>,
> "mmcdon" <mmm...@iol.ie> wrote:
> > Harry Merrick <merr...@agencies.dnet.co.uk> wrote in article
> > <38799A45...@agencies.dnet.co.uk>...
> > > mmcdon wrote:
> >
> > > > > >
> far
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The left stands at:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Sheela, Brendan, Ger, Unki, Danielle, Justin, me, Tom McVey
> >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > idiots, but there is certainly a fair sample of them.
> >
> > Brian Cahill
> >
>
>
>
> Everyone has idiots.
Indeed, but would you argue that this particular list of left wingers
cntains as many absolute idiots as this particular list of right wingers?
Is msie le meas,
Brian Cahill
Aleister Crowley's Cat
I don't think there is any evidence for the placing of Alex as
'right-wing'. He may well be, but you are really wholly basing your
hypothesis on the fact that Ray is right-wing.
And too be honest, he's the sort of people that gives us 'normal'
right-wingers a bad name.
Shug
> > In article <01bf5a31$bf5e7840$7092cbc1@default>, mmcdon <mmm...@iol.ie>
> > writes
> > >Justin, me, Unki, Tom McVey
> >
> > I'm fairly left. Not as left as you though. I may well be a bit lefter
> > than Tom McVey.
>
> That makes five. Who else belongs over here on the side of light?
> Brian Cahill
You can count me in on that. Working Class, Socialist but not rabid anti-free
market.
The occasional poster.
--
Regards,
Shug
'You guys are so unhip it's a wonder your bums don't fall off!'
--
Regards,
Q-Ball
'If all else fails - read the instructions'
Regards,
Huge
Definition of an Intellectual: - One who has been educated beyond their
intelligence!
supe...@my-deja.com
"John McMenamy" <johnmc...@REMOVEeircom.net> wrote:
>
> Keith Mills <kei...@eircom.net> wrote in message
> news:855t8o$hla$1...@scotty.tinet.ie...
> >
> > Benjamin Madigan <benma...@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >
> > > They know the UUC will
> > > meet next month and as there has been no decommisioning they will
vote
> > > against a continuation in the executive with SF.
> >
> > Keeping my fingers crossed on that one. Certainly the signs are
good at
> the
> > moment. Current estimates say that if there is no decommissioning,
that
> the
> > anti-Agreement side would win 60-40.
>
> The signs are good for what ?
> It's getting rather difficult for your readership to keep track of
where you
> stand on this with all the u-turns.
>
I've haven't changed my opinions in the slightest in the last 18
months. While there are some good elements in the B.A., as an overall
package, it is not worthy of support. While attempts have been made to
correct some of the more obvious flaws (linking decommissioning to the
continuing existance of the executive, negating the need for major
decisions to have the support of the majority of both nationalists and
unionists), I still believe that the current agreement still does not
provide a longterm solution to the problems in N.I. (In fact in a
couple of instances it helps proogate them).
I would like to see the agreement in it's original form scrapped asap,
preferably through the terrorist organisations not meeting their
commitments. Then the worthwhile elements can be worked on, and the
rest consigned to history. This has been the way of most British/Irish
agreements, starting with the Treaty,
Keith
> John.
supe...@my-deja.com
Harry Merrick <merr...@agencies.dnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Keith Mills wrote:
>
> >
>
> ..........."SNIP"........
>
> >
> >
> > If you want to blame anyone for destroying unionism, blame Trimble.
He has
> > led a faction on unionism down a cul de sac despite the warning of
older and
> > wiser heads.
>
> Don't agree actually. And that's from someone who didn't have a lot
of time for
> Trimble. We simply could not go on going on the way we were.
Something had to
> change to break the circle. Otherwise, we would just continue down
the violence
> route until solutions were imposed upon us by the british and irish
Governments
> whether we liked it or not! This is a much safer and democratic way
to go.
This is a hypotethical point, so we'll have to agree to differ on our
opinions as to what might have happened.
>
> > SF/IRA were simply clever enough to sucker the UK and Irish
> > governments (and others) that they really were interested in
putting away
> > the guns forever.
>
> You obviously think that the UK and Irish Governments have absolutely
no wit
> between them and are stupid and thick to a fault.
Two words "Andrews" and "Mowlem". The prosucution rests.
>
> > I don't expect any better of SF/IRA. They are lying
> > cowardly murderers before the "peace process" and they are the same
today.
>
> I agree. But then, it has become normal, world wide, to include
reformed
> terrorists and murderers in government if that is what it takes for
peace.
Give me another example of a terrorist organisation that are ENTITLED
to seats in government based on the support of 1 in 6 of the electorate.
> Actually, I think that McGuinness is shaping up rather well!
>
He's done nothing!
> >
> > It takes more than a designer suit and a PR consultant to turn a
> > bloodthirsty terrorist into a politician,
> >
>
> Of course! You have got as cynical as me!! Once they have tasted the
fruits of a
> safe career, however, they will not give it up without a fight. I am
sure that
> the GFA will eventually succeed for this reason alone!
The precedents for this ARE good in this country. FF left terrorism
behind before they entered government, SF/WP/DL only got into
government after they'd put a wide gap between themselves and the
murdering factions from whence they originated. The problem with SF/IRA
is that they still have the weapons, and in the past six months have
imported more AND continued to murder (e.g. Charles Bennett). They have
not succeeded in putting themselves at arm's length from the murderers.
Decommissioning (if it were to happen), would be the start to this, but
certainly it wouldn't be the end,
Keith
> --
> Harry.
> ---
>
> "Those Who Dwell In The Past Have No Life In The Future."
> (Anon)
> ---
>
> ICQ# 2546277
>
>
Tommy Murphy
>Is msie le meas,
>Brian Cahill
Yeah - Internet Explorer is pretty crap all right.
Cheers
Tommy Murphy
______________________________________________
| Phil wrote in message <83m7vu$20...@drn.newsguy.com>
| And this guy, he IS funny
Muttley
Gerry Doyle <alac...@NO-FECKINSPAM-ireland.com> wrote in message
You don't have a point do you? Or maybe it's a big secret.
John McMenamy
<supe...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:85fa8d$12q$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >
> > The signs are good for what ?
> > It's getting rather difficult for your readership to keep track of
> where you
> > stand on this with all the u-turns.
> >
>
> I've haven't changed my opinions in the slightest in the last 18
> months. While there are some good elements in the B.A., as an overall
> package, it is not worthy of support. While attempts have been made to
> correct some of the more obvious flaws (linking decommissioning to the
> continuing existance of the executive, negating the need for major
> decisions to have the support of the majority of both nationalists and
> unionists), I still believe that the current agreement still does not
> provide a longterm solution to the problems in N.I. (In fact in a
> couple of instances it helps proogate them).
>
> I would like to see the agreement in it's original form scrapped asap,
Last month you were claiming that it had been scrapped. You even gave a
date.
You're going to get dizzy.
John.
Gerry Doyle
>
> Gerry Doyle wrote in message
>
> > And there was me thinking that my sense of justice and fair play shone
> > beaconlike from the murk of SCI bias and partisanism...
>
> Yer a truculently argumentative, egotistical, and opinionated bastard like
> the rest of us.
Nicest thing anyone's said to me all week...
G
Richard Bell
>
> On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:25:13 +0000, Brendan Heading
> <b.he...@dnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >I thought you voted Republican ? T'was only recently I heard you
> >describing the untold benefits of free enterprise. I think.
>
> You may
> have mistaken my rant about Thatcher selling off the water rights to
> private enterprise.
IIRC Thatcher did not privatise Water - she was against it. John Major
did.
Richard
Gerry Doyle
>
> > > > Well, what is the point then?
> > > >
> > > > Consensus.
> > > >
> > >
> > > No that is a word not an point. An pointis something like "Consensus
> > > government is better therefore all parties over a certain size should
> have
> > a
> > > share in government.
> > >
> > > I ask again what is the point?
> > >
> >
> > Talk about an apt nickname.
> >
>
> You don't have a point do you? Or maybe it's a big secret.
There's no secret, you're just too fuckin dumb to see it. I used to think
that people like you could be reasoned with, that eventually the logic would
sink in, but it's just not worth the trouble, and not necessary either as
the Peace Process has managed to continue despite people like you who have
learned absolutely nothing in the last 30 years. Your day has come - and
gone.
G
Muttley
Gerry Doyle <alac...@NO-FECKINSPAM-ireland.com> wrote in message
Go on be a sport. Humour me. What is this terribly important point that I
have missed?
Patrick Brown
<Mut...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
> Go on be a sport. Humour me. What is this terribly important
> point that I
> have missed?
Let's try:
No peace process = direct rule from London, no local representative
government, resentment and sectarianism in both communities leading to
violence, instability, economic nosedive, increasing alienation of
British. In short, a situation most of us don't want to live in.
Peace process = local representative government on terms most of us can
live with, greatly reduced violence, greater stability and economic
properity, hopefully creating an atmosphere where resentment and
sectarianism will decrease and we can all get along. A situation we
should all be working for.
Northern Ireland is a much nicer place to live since the peace process
started.
Patrick
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Brendan Heading
writes
>> "still" ? I haven't been here that long.
>
>I thought you were just here for the summer in the same way as I was in
>London.
Was in Crumlin June-Oct, but left over a disagreement with a housemate.
Will be here until next September.
>> Selling copies of "An Phoblacht" outside the GPO.
>
>If that were true it would be fucking hilarious. Fancy a pint sometime?
Yes, I wouldn't mind. Email me a date and a time (next week sometime,
this week's booked up to feck).
--
Brendan Heading, Ballsbridge, Dublin Ireland
I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming
Aleister Crowley's Cat
Hey Gerry, how's the school going?
Regards,
Dave
WWW:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5885/index.html
(The Legions of the Black Moon - the unofficial Bal-Sagoth homepage)
====================================================================
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley
Gerry Doyle
Aleister Crowley's Cat <mango...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
news:387cf6d...@news.freeserve.net...
> Hey Gerry, how's the school going?
Quite well, despite a few hiccups. In the rush to build up numbers we were
taking anyone who applied not knowing that some of the other schools took
this as an opportunity to dump some of their hard cases on us, but I think
in the end we may be all the better for it.
There's a party for the kids tomorrow apparently to mark the Muslim festival
of Eid, the end of Ramadan. Not sure that the Jehovahs Witnesses were too
keen on it, but you can't please everyone... That's the handy thing about
being a kid in a multidenominational school, you get the benefit of ALL the
holy days in the world! And because there is no religious instruction as
such, none of the drawbacks...
So we had started Septmeber 98 with 19 kids and one teacher, now we have
about 80, with 3 teachers, another on the way, and several remedial teachers
part time. Parents pitch in too, doing reading lessons with them, and
there's always work to be done on the place itself, the usual old prefab
type thing.
Thanks for asking.
G
Harry Merrick
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:40:34 -0500, "hippo" <hi...@southsudan.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Gerry Doyle wrote in message
> >
> >> Count me in, but I'm not playing in goal...
> >
> >Didn't think of you as a goal tender. This could be fun - The troll
> >
> Yeah well I'm not wrestling Merrick either.
>
>
Oh dear. And there was I thinking that a little mud wrestling with you
might be fun! Ah well!
Harry Merrick
> In article <387770F9...@agencies.dnet.co.uk>,
> Harry Merrick <merr...@agencies.dnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > Keith Mills wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > ..........."SNIP"........
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you want to blame anyone for destroying unionism, blame Trimble.
> He has
> > > led a faction on unionism down a cul de sac despite the warning of
> older and
> > > wiser heads.
> >
> > Don't agree actually. And that's from someone who didn't have a lot
> of time for
> > Trimble. We simply could not go on going on the way we were.
> Something had to
> > change to break the circle. Otherwise, we would just continue down
> the violence
> > route until solutions were imposed upon us by the british and irish
> Governments
> > whether we liked it or not! This is a much safer and democratic way
> to go.
>
> This is a hypotethical point, so we'll have to agree to differ on our
> opinions as to what might have happened.
Hypothetical? - Hardly. It is perfectly obvious. Would you *really* prefer
endless violence and mayhem, eventually ending in a scenario similar to
Bosnia? Not exactly an intelligent option by my book at least.
>
>
> >
> > > SF/IRA were simply clever enough to sucker the UK and Irish
> > > governments (and others) that they really were interested in
> putting away
> > > the guns forever.
> >
> > You obviously think that the UK and Irish Governments have absolutely
> no wit
> > between them and are stupid and thick to a fault.
>
> Two words "Andrews" and "Mowlem". The prosucution rests.
The prosecution is obviously deluded! Both persons are highly qualified,
have good brains, and are generally recognised as having such. Molem after
all has a Ph.D.. I am sure that Andrews is probably similarly qualified.
That does not, of course, mean that they have any common sense. But then, do
you?
>
>
> >
> > > I don't expect any better of SF/IRA. They are lying
> > > cowardly murderers before the "peace process" and they are the same
> today.
> >
> > I agree. But then, it has become normal, world wide, to include
> reformed
> > terrorists and murderers in government if that is what it takes for
> peace.
>
> Give me another example of a terrorist organisation that are ENTITLED
> to seats in government based on the support of 1 in 6 of the electorate.
>
> > Actually, I think that McGuinness is shaping up rather well!
> >
> He's done nothing!
Did I say he had? - I said that he is shaping up rather well, that is all.
You should learn not to be so begrudging of the opposition!
>
>
> > >
> > > It takes more than a designer suit and a PR consultant to turn a
> > > bloodthirsty terrorist into a politician,
> > >
> >
> > Of course! You have got as cynical as me!! Once they have tasted the
> fruits of a
> > safe career, however, they will not give it up without a fight. I am
> sure that
> > the GFA will eventually succeed for this reason alone!
>
> The precedents for this ARE good in this country. FF left terrorism
> behind before they entered government, SF/WP/DL only got into
> government after they'd put a wide gap between themselves and the
> murdering factions from whence they originated. The problem with SF/IRA
> is that they still have the weapons, and in the past six months have
> imported more AND continued to murder (e.g. Charles Bennett). They have
> not succeeded in putting themselves at arm's length from the murderers.
> Decommissioning (if it were to happen), would be the start to this, but
> certainly it wouldn't be the end,
>
It is generally recognised that the weapons have to be taken out of the
picture in one way or the other, certainly. The Republican IRA is largely
composed of lower working class, virtually the criminal element. This means
that so long as the weaponry is available, the biggest danger of all is that
the Gangs will eventually get their hands on them. We don't want another
South Africa in that particular aspect!
Bro
Harry Merrick <merr...@agencies.dnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:38806273...@agencies.dnet.co.uk...
> Sheela wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:40:34 -0500, "hippo" <hi...@southsudan.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Gerry Doyle wrote in message
> > >
> > >> Count me in, but I'm not playing in goal...
> > >
> > >Didn't think of you as a goal tender. This could be fun - The troll
> > >
> > Yeah well I'm not wrestling Merrick either.
> >
> >
>
> Oh dear. And there was I thinking that a little mud wrestling with you
> might be fun! Ah well!
This is a side of you we rarely see, Harry.
bro
Harry Merrick
:-)) Ah, but I am a person of many parts.
hippo
Harry Merrick wrote in message
> > > Don't agree actually. And that's from someone who didn't have a lot
> > of time for
> > > Trimble. We simply could not go on going on the way we were.
> > Something had to
> > > change to break the circle. Otherwise, we would just continue down
> > the violence
> > > route until solutions were imposed upon us by the british and irish
> > Governments
> > > whether we liked it or not! This is a much safer and democratic way
> > to go.
> Hypothetical? - Hardly. It is perfectly obvious. Would you *really* prefer
> endless violence and mayhem, eventually ending in a scenario similar to
> Bosnia? Not exactly an intelligent option by my book at least.
> The prosecution is obviously deluded! Both persons are highly qualified,
> have good brains, and are generally recognised as having such. Molem after
> all has a Ph.D.. I am sure that Andrews is probably similarly qualified.
> That does not, of course, mean that they have any common sense. But then,
do
> you?
> > > Actually, I think that McGuinness is shaping up rather well!
> Did I say he had? - I said that he is shaping up rather well, that is all.
> You should learn not to be so begrudging of the opposition!
> > > Of course! You have got as cynical as me!! Once they have tasted the
> > fruits of a
> > > safe career, however, they will not give it up without a fight. I am
> > sure that
> > > the GFA will eventually succeed for this reason alone!
Go Harry! Don't let the troglodites get you down. It's common sense like
your post above will win out in the end. - Hippo
Gerry Doyle
Harry Merrick <merr...@agencies.dnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:38806273...@agencies.dnet.co.uk...
> Sheela wrote:
> > Yeah well I'm not wrestling Merrick either.
>
> Oh dear. And there was I thinking that a little mud wrestling with you
> might be fun! Ah well!
And what makes you think that it wouldn't?
G
Gerry Doyle
> Bro wrote:
> > > Sheela wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:40:34 -0500, "hippo" <hi...@southsudan.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > Oh dear. And there was I thinking that a little mud wrestling with you
> > > might be fun! Ah well!
> >
> > This is a side of you we rarely see, Harry.
> >
> > bro
>
> :-)) Ah, but I am a person of many parts.
Spare parts at this stage?
G
Harry Merrick
LOL! Hardly. That really IS being a bit unkind, don't you think? - No, I still
have all my hair, all my teeth, and all parts in good working order!
Aleister Crowley's Cat
Perhaps if any parents from NI are reading it might give them an idea
or two...
g&e
It sounds terrific. I sent a copy to my friend who helped set up the
integrated high school in Coleraine. Maybe there could be some
cross-border info passing to make it easier for future parents to
follow!! Would like more details from Gerry on the curriculum and
funding. How much education authority support is there? How many other
such schools are there?
Geoff
Gerry Doyle
g&e <ehutc...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:85t0ar$9d6$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net...
> > Perhaps if any parents from NI are reading it might give them an
> idea
> > or two...
Yeah, but it's all those christians that cause the trouble...
> It sounds terrific.
It has its ups and downs, but yes, it's well worth it!
I sent a copy to my friend who helped set up the
> integrated high school in Coleraine. Maybe there could be some
> cross-border info passing to make it easier for future parents to
> follow!!
sounds good to me. Tell them to feel free to email for anything at all,
Would like more details from Gerry on the curriculum and
> funding. How much education authority support is there?
They are all fully funded national schools with the same curriculum as any
other, save the religious education. One of the differences is that until
now all national schools were founded and run by the local parish and the
State was content to take the easy way out and let them do it, instead we
the parents are the patron.
How many other
> such schools are there?
I have a few pages done up here
http://homepage.tinet.ie/~alacrity/educate/index.htm about the school, it's
sadly out of date for the usual reasons, but it gives the general idea of
the 'Educate Together' ethos. The Lucan ET school site at
http://www.iol.ie/~mdslucan/ has rather a good explanation of the policy on
the religious education aspect, worth a look at.
I'm not sure how many schools there are at the moment, it's a growing
movement, but unfortunately some schools don't survive for one reason or
another, it's not easy!
The umbrella organisation has a rather sparse site at
http://www.educatetogether.ie/ , but if you do a websearch for 'educate
together' you'll get loads of links.
G
Gerry Doyle
> Gerry Doyle wrote:
> > > :-)) Ah, but I am a person of many parts.
> >
> > Spare parts at this stage?
> >
> LOL! Hardly. That really IS being a bit unkind, don't you think?
Only slaggin!
- No, I still
> have all my hair,
in a bag
all my teeth,
in a jar
and all parts in good working order!
the miracles of modern science?
G
g&e
do an internship to help out?
Geoff
Gerry Doyle <alac...@NO-FECKINSPAM-ireland.com> wrote in message
news:85t1q3$pjs$1...@fraggle.esatclear.ie...
Harry Merrick
Indeed. And a large pot of instant glue! :-))
Tony Pancake
"mmcdon" <mmm...@iol.ie> wrote:
>
> Let's group the locals. Starting with the really obvious ones.
>
> Right:
>
> Ray, Pamelaz9, Dave Moore, Hippo, Ben Madigan, Colin, Alex Tyrell
>
> Left:
>
> Justin, me, Unki, Tom McVey
>
> Start adding names folks...
It's rather presumptuous of you, Brian, to include me in the rump Left,
or anywhere at all in this faded spectrum.
How are we supposed to tell what is Left and what is Right? These
categories have made less and less sense with every passing year since
1989, hence the rise of the politicians of the "Third Way" such as
Clinton and Blair.
Here's a question which IMO gets at the gist of who is who nowadays,
and correctly locates the political faultlines:-
"Should Celera Genomics Corporation (http://www.celera.com) conduct
their experiment to create the very first artificial species of
lifeform, and go on to market a range of innovative products derived
from this new technology?"
The reactionaries will answer no, the progressives yes.
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