Seeing renamed feeds in NewsRob

[Mariano Kamp]

Doing some preliminary checking it becomes clear that this change will come at a cost and I am not talking about my time here, but bandwidth and cpu time.

It's hard to give actual numbers right now, but for the sake of argument, let's say for 400 feeds it will be 30 KB (30K * 24 = 720 KB per day) bandwidth and 10 seconds of processing (fetching, parsing, comparing, updating the local database).

I am really not sure how to deal with that in a simple and obvious way.

The best thing would be to let the feed names sync run every time, but then the people with 30 minutes intervals on a volume plan would really be unhappy.

Doing it only once a day would be a good solution for me, but then there will be people who will not understand why their feeds are not renamed after the next sync (no documentation, online help doesn't solve this).

Any ideas? Would it be ok to put a 30 MB/month burden onto a user that has 500 feeds?

Should there be a setting about the interval that defaults to "every sync", but can be changed to "once a day"?

[Henrik Heimbuerger]

Just to open the discussion on a completely new option:
Add a new menu entry (on the start page / category list) that says "update feed names".

+ Everybody can choose when to do that (e.g. only when you rename a feed or only over wi-fi).
+ NR won't consume additional bandwidth or CPU in the background.
+ Those who look for it will find it.
+ Those who see it don't expect it to happen automatically.
- It requires user interaction.
- It's not really intuitive (without knowing anything about the GR API -- "why do I have to tell NR to do such an obvious operation!?"). But at least it's visible on the surface without consulting the documentation/FAQ.

I could personally live with that. I'd prefer it over not being able to update the names at all. If a setting like the one you suggested above existed, I'd set it to "wi-fi only" if possible and turn it off otherwise. My data plan is rather limited and I wouldn't want this to happen over the air (although I probably don't have enough feeds for it to affect me).

PS: Too lazy to re-read the fougrapi thread right now. How does GR do this? Does GR also have to run these expensive operations to display the right name? Or is it because GR gets this on the initial page-load with an API function that isn't used by NR because it never does a full load except for after the first run / after a clear?

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[Mariano Kamp]

Henrik,

I considered the approach you outlined and it makes sense. It is just, that the user shouldn't have to think about it, so I'd like to make it as invisible as possible.
If this (an update during a sync, max once a day) will lead to too much confusion I will think about it again.

PS: Too lazy to re-read the fougrapi thread right now. How does GR do this? Does GR also have to run these expensive operations to display the right name? Or is it because GR gets this on the initial page-load with an API function that isn't used by NR because it never does a full load except for after the first run / after a clear?

I don't know the implementation of the webapp or my competitors, so the next sentences are purse speculation.

NewsRob derives the feeds and labels from the articles that are stored locally. So feeds/labels are not really explicit synced/retrieved. (Unfortunately the display name, the one you can rename, is not part of the articles' data, so I need to get this information explicitly).

The webapp will likely get a list of subscriptions every time, because it needs it to render the tree like navigation on the left. 

I think that is the same for my competitors. Where NewsRob pretty much works in a disconnected way all the time, they seem to be much closer to the webapp model. So I guess they will ask for the subscription list every time their feed/label list is shown and just cache the result for a day or so.

It's conceptually different to what NewsRob does, with its own benefits and drawbacks.

[CrazyDelta]

Hi Mariano,

I have noticed that recently there are times when my feed names are
synced to exactly like how they are on Google Reader, as I tend to
rename them. But I only noticed this occasionally, as it tends to
change back and forth, but most of the time it remains unsynced to how
I have renamed them. Would it be possible that once it has synced the
feed names, Newsrob just keeps that and not go back to original names?

Thanks
Seth

> > On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> >>  Doing some preliminary checking it becomes clear that this change will
> >> come at a cost and I am not talking about my time here, but bandwidth and
> >> cpu time.
>
> >> It's hard to give actual numbers right now, but for the sake of argument,
> >> let's say for 400 feeds it will be 30 KB (30K * 24 = 720 KB per day)
> >> bandwidth and 10 seconds of processing (fetching, parsing, comparing,
> >> updating the local database).
>
> >> I am really not sure how to deal with that in a simple and obvious way.
>
> >> The best thing would be to let the feed names sync run every time, but
> >> then the people with 30 minutes intervals on a volume plan would really be
> >> unhappy.
>
> >> Doing it only once a day would be a good solution for me, but then there
> >> will be people who will not understand why their feeds are not renamed after
> >> the next sync (no documentation, online help doesn't solve this).
>
> >> Any ideas? Would it be ok to put a 30 MB/month burden onto a user that has
> >> 500 feeds?
>
> >> Should there be a setting about the interval that defaults to "every
> >> sync", but can be changed to "once a day"?
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[Mariano Kamp]

Seth, did you do a clear cache in between?

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[Henrik Heimbuerger]

Shouldn't NR update the feed names at the end of a refresh cycle from scratch, i.e. after a Clear Cache or after the first time someone syncs NR to GR?

[Mariano Kamp]

That's exactly the reason I asked.

Yes, it should reset the 24h period when Clear Cache is used and I changed the implementation that way a week ago.

With my question I wanted to find out if there may be another case, that should be handled.

[CrazyDelta]

Hi Mariano,

I haven't done the clear cache. Is that something that I should do?
I'll try it out and let you know.

Seth

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[CrazyDelta]

OK, I just did that. No luck.
The subscription feeds are still using their original name.

I am using HTC Hero.

Seth

[Mariano Kamp]

No, actually clearing the cache will reset the titles in the current version, but not rename them again. In the next version of NewsRob clearing the cache will cause an update of the titles also (in the next sync after clearing the cache).

So I am puzzled why the renames didn't work on your phone. Seth, could we postpone this issue until later this week when I will post a new beta? If it still happens I'll check it out then.

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[CrazyDelta]

Sure Mariano.

Let me know if I can do anything to help as well.

On Jan 25, 2:15 pm, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No, actually clearing the cache will reset the titles in the current
> version, but not rename them again. In the next version of NewsRob clearing
> the cache will cause an update of the titles also (in the next sync after
> clearing the cache).
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> So I am puzzled why the renames didn't work on your phone. Seth, could we
> postpone this issue until later this week when I will post a new beta? If it
> still happens I'll check it out then.
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[Droidgren]

I have the same problem.. Renamed feeds goes back and forth.. I don't
use any auto synchronization, just manual refresh.
At first update of the day they are fine , but when I then update next
time it goes back to the non-renamed feeds.
Why don't just force synchronization rename on manual refresh?

[Mariano Kamp]

This happens to you with 3.5.3, right?

This fixed in 3.6, which you can grab as a beta. Check out the other conversation.

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