New google groups, how do I crosspost?

[sonnic...@gmail.com]

As it say, how do I cross post to eg 2 groups at one time?

[Aaron W. Hsu]

On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:04:57 -0400, <sonnic...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As it say, how do I cross post to eg 2 groups at one time?

A real newsreader? :-P

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[Mike Yetto]

Aaron W. Hsu <arc...@sacrideo.us> writes and having writ moves on.

>On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:04:57 -0400, <sonnic...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> As it say, how do I cross post to eg 2 groups at one time?

>A real newsreader? :-P

To add to your excellent advice...

Only with good reason.

Mike "and from a real news server" Yetto
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In practice they are not.

[Aaron W. Hsu]

On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:04:57 -0400, <sonnic...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As it say, how do I cross post to eg 2 groups at one time?

To be a little less obnoxious, and in all seriousness, is there a reason
that you are using Google groups instead of one of the many viable
newsreaders and cheap to free news servers? Your experience will be much
much better in a real newsreader than with Google Groups; at least, that
is what I would bet. There are many easy to use newsreaders that are at
least as easy to use as Google Groups, and there are many readers that are
more powerful. I hope that you will consider using one of those instead.

[Dan C]

On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 14:04:57 -0700, sonnichjensen wrote:

> As it say, how do I cross post to eg 2 groups at one time?

Don't be a fucking lamer your whole life.

Use a real newsreader.


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[Mike Easter]

sonnic...@gmail.com wrote:
> As it say, how do I cross post to eg 2 groups at one time?

You can't crosspost using the new GG. Good. It would be better if you
didn't post any messages with GG.

There are a lot of usenet groups where crossposting anything at all is a
bad idea.

There are many people like me who do not crosspost new threads nor
replies and only post a message to the one group where I read the
message. That means mixing crossposters and anti-crossposters results
in forked threads.

Anti-crossposters like me believe that a message should be posted only
to the one best group for the message, and that a great many crossposted
messages are trolling, and that consequently many people will filter out
all crossposted messages which results in less 'exposure' for some
crossposted messages, which is the exact opposite of the wishes of the
crossposter.

In addition, even though some particular message might potentially seem
applicable or on-topic for a number of different groups, it does not
follow that any or all of the replies to such a crossposted thread will
apply or be on topic for all or both of the cross-posted groups.

All in all, it is better to not crosspost than to crosspost.

Additionally, all in all it is better to not read and post usenet
messages with GG for a lot of other reasons.


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[Gordonbp]

On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 20:33:39 -0400, Aaron W. Hsu wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:04:57 -0400, <sonnic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As it say, how do I cross post to eg 2 groups at one time?
>
> To be a little less obnoxious, and in all seriousness, is there a reason
> that you are using Google groups instead of one of the many viable
> newsreaders and cheap to free news servers?

Maybe his place of work blocks NNTP......;-)

[Mike Easter]

Gordonbp wrote:
> Aaron W. Hsu wrote:
>> sonnichjensen

>>> As it say, how do I cross post to eg 2 groups at one time?
>>
>> To be a little less obnoxious, and in all seriousness, is there a reason
>> that you are using Google groups instead of one of the many viable
>> newsreaders and cheap to free news servers?
>
> Maybe his place of work blocks NNTP......;-)

... which opens another can of worms to rant about.

Although I see the smiley wink, I think the business about dealing with
'work' and usenet is a complex issue.

On one hand, the optimal employer-employee relationship should be one of
mutual respect and mutual rights and responsibilities. So, if an
employer doesn't want hir paid for time and paid for equipment and paid
for software and paid for network access being used to access usenet and
the employee and employer can't work it out and have an 'honest'
relationship about what the employee feels are hir 'needs', then there
is something seriously wrong with the relationship (and employee
dishonesty).

That being said, (on the other hand) almost everyone who thinks they
can't access usenet without using a browser is wrong about that -- so GG
'enjoys' a lot of its usage mostly because people find it convenient to
be browser-centric even when they don't actually need to be so.


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Mike Easter

[XS11E]

Mike Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote:

> Anti-crossposters like me believe that a message should be posted
> only to the one best group for the message, and that a great many
> crossposted messages are trolling, and that consequently many
> people will filter out all crossposted messages which results in
> less 'exposure' for some crossposted messages, which is the exact
> opposite of the wishes of the crossposter.

Me! My scorefile blocks any message posted to more than one group.

Of course, I also block any message posted from Google Groups so there
are two reasons I won't see the OP's message.


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[Ivan The Not-So-Bad]

On 2012-10-09, XS11E <xs1...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
> Mike Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Anti-crossposters like me believe that a message should be posted
>> only to the one best group for the message, and that a great many
>> crossposted messages are trolling, and that consequently many
>> people will filter out all crossposted messages which results in
>> less 'exposure' for some crossposted messages, which is the exact
>> opposite of the wishes of the crossposter.
>
> Me! My scorefile blocks any message posted to more than one group.
>
> Of course, I also block any message posted from Google Groups so there
> are two reasons I won't see the OP's message.
>

Don't you feel like you miss out on a lot of posts if you squelch all
crossposted messages? You can stand on principle on that, of course. But I feel
like you would miss out on a lot of [possibly?] useful posts.

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

On 03 Nov 2012 14:19:00 GMT, Ivan The Not-So-Bad <1su...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

I use Agent crosspost management so there is one message collected
from one folder and the other folder copies are not downloaded.

Steve

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[Whiskers]

If an article has enough merit, someone will probably respond to it. If
that someone (or the original poster) has followed best practice and set a
Followup-To header to only one, sensible, group, then others will see the
discussion even if they plonk all cross-posts. But accepting cross-posts
to two or three groups is probably adequate to eliminate the silliest
stuff, especially if you also plonk anything cross-posted to particular
groups which you find frequently associated with things you don't want to
see.

Worthwhile discussions are getting harder to find in usenet, so it isn't
unusual to find entire threads cross-posted to closely related groups, just
for the sake of keeping more people involved.

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[MartinS]

Stephen Wolstenholme <st...@npsl1.com> wrote:
> Ivan The Not-So-Bad <1su...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>, XS11E <xs1...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Mike Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anti-crossposters like me believe that a message should be posted
>>>> only to the one best group for the message, and that a great many
>>>> crossposted messages are trolling, and that consequently many
>>>> people will filter out all crossposted messages which results in
>>>> less 'exposure' for some crossposted messages, which is the exact
>>>> opposite of the wishes of the crossposter.
>>>
>>> Me! My scorefile blocks any message posted to more than one group.
>>>
>>> Of course, I also block any message posted from Google Groups so
>>> there are two reasons I won't see the OP's message.
>>
>>Don't you feel like you miss out on a lot of posts if you squelch all
>>crossposted messages? You can stand on principle on that, of course.
>>But I feel like you would miss out on a lot of [possibly?] useful
>>posts.
>
> I use Agent crosspost management so there is one message collected
> from one folder and the other folder copies are not downloaded.

Xnews does that between subscribed groups, as long as you close the
first group with CatchUp and Kill Xpost (which I have mapped to F8)
before you open another.

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Martin S.

[Robert Miles]

On 11/3/2012 9:19 AM, Ivan The Not-So-Bad wrote:
> On 2012-10-09, XS11E <xs1...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>> Mike Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Anti-crossposters like me believe that a message should be posted
>>> only to the one best group for the message, and that a great many
>>> crossposted messages are trolling, and that consequently many
>>> people will filter out all crossposted messages which results in
>>> less 'exposure' for some crossposted messages, which is the exact
>>> opposite of the wishes of the crossposter.
>>
>> Me! My scorefile blocks any message posted to more than one group.

[snip]

I miss out on a lot of probably-not-worthwhile posts if I squelch some
crossposting (anything crossposted to two particular newsgroups, because
rarely anything crossposted between those two is worth reading). I'd
prefer to be able to squelch anything crossposted to five or more
newsgroups, because those are rarely worth reading either, but my
newsreader cannot do that. However, some of the newsgroups I subscribe
to have a few other related newsgroups to which crossposting is often
reasonable, so I have no desire to squelch everything that is
crossposted at all.

[Doug Freyburger]

Robert Miles wrote:

> Ivan The Not-So-Bad wrote:
>
>> Don't you feel like you miss out on a lot of posts if you squelch all
>> crossposted messages? You can stand on principle on that, of course. But I feel
>> like you would miss out on a lot of [possibly?] useful posts.
>
> I miss out on a lot of probably-not-worthwhile posts if I squelch some
> crossposting (anything crossposted to two particular newsgroups, because
> rarely anything crossposted between those two is worth reading). I'd
> prefer to be able to squelch anything crossposted to five or more
> newsgroups, because those are rarely worth reading either, but my
> newsreader cannot do that. However, some of the newsgroups I subscribe
> to have a few other related newsgroups to which crossposting is often
> reasonable, so I have no desire to squelch everything that is
> crossposted at all.

I currently drop all to 4+ groups everywhere, then drop all cross posts
to any number on a few high noise groups. If the group count worked
every time (not willing to debug the issue as it is not frequent) I
might switch to 3+.

My observation is that each additional group posted to far more than
doubles the chance it's noise. Messages posted to 2 groups are very
often on topic for both, say a general cooking and a BBQ specific group.
Much less often for messages posted to 3, say a general diet, low carb
diet and diabetes support group. I can hardly remember messages posted
to 4 groups ever being on topic whcih is why I took up dropping them.

My NSP drops I think either 5+ or 6+, a very common setting.

One feature I like about my current reader XPN is it asks for
confirmation if I ever try to post to more than one group just in case I
didn't notice I was cross posting. Not a sufficient reason to pick XPN
as a reader but it's a little thing that recudes my motivation to switch
to one that's better in other ways.

[John Doe]

Mike Easter <MikeE ster.invalid> wrote:

> sonnichjensen gmail.com wrote:

>> As it say, how do I cross post to eg 2 groups at one time?
>
> You can't crosspost using the new GG. Good. It would be better
> if you didn't post any messages with GG.

Yes, it would be much better if they couldn't post anything.