Information For People Using Googlegroups 6
Sid
People using googlegroups to access the Usenet often don't
realize that the Usenet is a worldwide network of news servers
that exists quite independently of Google (and existed long
before Google was even dreamed of).
Nor do they understand that the Usenet is best accessed with
applications called newsreaders and that many people on the
Usenet filter out posts from googlegroups. Why?
1) It is the source of a great deal of spam.
2) Googlegroups posters, on newsgroups where specialized
information is shared, tend to be people who take but don't give.
They come for help but never help anyone.
3) Googlegroups is also a favorite of "trolls", neurotics who
wander the Usenet making trouble using dozens of different names.
Googlegroups is, for the serious Useneter, a Usenet archive, no
more and no less, accessed here:
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?q=&
If you want your posts to be taken seriously, or even seen,
you need to learn to use a newsreader. It isn't difficult. You
probably already have one on your computer. In short order you
will discover just how superior to googlegroups a newsreader is.
The place to start is the newsgroup news.newusers.questions,
which can be accessed via googlegroups at:
http://groups.google.com/group/news.newusers.questions/topics
This newsgroup has its own website with links to a lot of
information about the Usenet:
In particular, see this page:
http://www.anta.net/misc/nnq/how-it-works.shtml
For direct help on the usenet, see the newsgroup
news.software.readers:
http://groups.google.com/group/news.software.readers/topics
(Note that there are some jerks on this group who won't respond
to any posts from googlegroups or will attack people using
googlegroups. Ignore them. There are also some nice people there.
Just make it clear that you want help configuring and using a
real newsreader so that you can get off googlegroups. Make it
clear in the subjects of your posts.)
Here are some more links that you may find helpful:
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/newsgroup.htm
http://lipas.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/tsfaq.html
http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faqs:newusers
http://www.newsreaders.com/
http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Usenet/
http://www.physiol.ox.ac.uk/~njh/usenet.php3
http://www.dickgaughan.co.uk/usenet/guide/index.html
These are the websites that offer free access to newsservers
you can use if your ISP doesn't offer this service. It may, so
be sure to check:
(this server kills all posts from googlegroups)
(free.sonic-news.com is their free newsserver, no password or
username required, 5 posts an houri5nd0 MB/day)
This is their free server, which you can just use:
Free accounts available must sign up.
Note: Free newsserver access has a tendency to come and go
without warning, so don't take that list too seriously.
Note: that this is an informational posting published weekly.
(more or less) I do not read responses to it on the Usenet. (In fact, my
newsfilter kills the thread.)
Thu Nov 27 2008
Sid
Blinky the Shark
> Information For People Using Googlegroups 6
Best posted somewhere that Google Gropers hang out. That's not here.
--
Blinky
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html
MartinS
> Sid wrote:
>
>> Information For People Using Googlegroups 6
>
> Best posted somewhere that Google Gropers hang out. That's not here.
Well, not so as you'd notice!
--
Martin S.
Blinky the Shark
I didn't notice to whom I was replying -- NymshiftingNumbnuts.
Best ignored.
XS11E
> I didn't notice to whom I was replying -- NymshiftingNumbnuts.
HAH! HE GOTCHA..... ;-)
--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
Blinky the Shark
> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I didn't notice to whom I was replying -- NymshiftingNumbnuts.
>
> HAH! HE GOTCHA..... ;-)
Won't get fooled again. :)
--
Blinky
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
XS11E
> XS11E wrote:
>
>> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't notice to whom I was replying -- NymshiftingNumbnuts.
>>
>> HAH! HE GOTCHA..... ;-)
>
> Won't get fooled again. :)
Bet he/she/it nymshifts again, think you'll catch it next time? <G>
--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
Blinky the Shark
> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>
>> XS11E wrote:
>>
>>> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I didn't notice to whom I was replying -- NymshiftingNumbnuts.
>>>
>>> HAH! HE GOTCHA..... ;-)
>>
>> Won't get fooled again. :)
>
> Bet he/she/it nymshifts again, think you'll catch it next time? <G>
If it's as small a leap as it was from "Sidney" to "Sid", I would hope so.
:)
Anyway, I should've known from the topic and content that was just more of
his off-jerking.
--
Blinky
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
HEMI-Powered
generally pretty good advice. many consider Google Groups posts
to be spam if for no other reason than the strange characters
making up an OP's handle. then too, much of what comes from GG
seems to be newbie stuff and is often silly enough to warrent
filtering.
--
HP, aka Jerry
"If you are out of work and hungry, eat an environmentalist" -
Florida billboard
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> generally pretty good advice. many consider Google Groups posts
> to be spam
..and you had to quote the whole 108 lines of this one because?
--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Windows
MartinS
> HEMI-Powered wrote:
>
>> generally pretty good advice. many consider Google Groups posts to be
>> spam
>
> ..and you had to quote the whole 108 lines of this one because?
He's a twat, obviously.
--
Martin S.
Peter J Ross
HEMI-Powered <no...@none.sn> wrote:
[snip Alan/Sid's useful advice to Google Gropers]
> generally pretty good advice. many consider Google Groups posts
> to be spam if for no other reason than the strange characters
> making up an OP's handle.
Welcome to the 21st Century, where Usenet is International. As long
as "strange characters" are properly encoded with MIME (either QP or
Base64), they're entirely permissible, and UTF-8 without MIME encoding
is tolerated by RFC 3977, though deprecated.
> then too, much of what comes from GG
> seems to be newbie stuff and is often silly enough to warrent
> filtering.
We were all newbies once. In my experience, newbies either disappear
quickly, or become persistent net.kooks, or acquire a clue. The
newbies who acquire a clue are my favourites.
--
PJR :-)
slrn newsreader v0.9.9p1: http://slrn.sourceforge.net/
extra slrn documentation: http://slrn-doc.sourceforge.net/
newsgroup name validator: http://pjr.lasnobberia.net/usenet/validator
Peter J Ross
<m...@my.place> wrote:
He's a newbie obviously, but a twat only potentially.
Dear Mr/Ms HEMI-Powered: I'll refuse to consider you a twat unless you
refuse to learn how to snip. Quote enough of the message(s) to which
you're replying to provide context for your comments.
HEMI-Powered
discussion du jour ...
> HEMI-Powered wrote:
>
>> generally pretty good advice. many consider Google Groups
>> posts to be spam
>
> ..and you had to quote the whole 108 lines of this one
> because?
>
...because I DID think them good advice which I wanted to transpose
into my Xnews Sent folder without having to manually type or copy-
paste them. What is your beef, at least I didn't top-post!
HEMI-Powered
...
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.non...@example.invalid> wrote:
Please take a big gulp out of a drink called Shut The Fuck Up Joe!
HEMI-Powered
jour ...
> Dear Mr/Ms HEMI-Powered: I'll refuse to consider you a twat
> unless you refuse to learn how to snip. Quote enough of the
> message(s) to which you're replying to provide context for
> your comments.
>
You're either a newbie yourself or a curmudgeon and a dunderhead as
if you were a sane person, you would already know that I always
snip and interleave post EXCEPT when I actually WANT to capture a
message for further usage without manually recopying it. Whatever
the reason, what the Fuck difference is it to you?
MartinS
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty added these comments in the current
> discussion du jour ...
>> HEMI-Powered wrote:
>>
>>> generally pretty good advice. many consider Google Groups posts to
>>> be spam
>>
>> ..and you had to quote the whole 108 lines of this one because?
>>
> ...because I DID think them good advice which I wanted to transpose
> into my Xnews Sent folder without having to manually type or copy-
> paste them. What is your beef, at least I didn't top-post!
You could have pressed "A" to archive the message.
--
Martin S.