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OldGringo38
May 13, 2012, 9:36:35 AM5/13/12
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On Or About This Date In History 5/13/2012 7:44 AM, Without Any Thought
G. Morgan Pecked Out The Following:
> I forgot who asked me which version was the last to offer "Free
> Agent", the scaled down version of "Forte Agent". I thought it
> was v5, but it's actually v3.3.
>
> It can be downloaded here:
>
> http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download-all.php
>
> Specifically:
>
> http://ftp3.forteinc.com/pub/agent/english/agentenu330-846.exe
>
> No sense in downloading the dictionaries, unless you want to try
> the spell checker for 30 days (that is one of the features that
> gets disabled after the trial). The dictionaries are available @
> link #1. Go ahead and try it though, its a great feature.
>
> 30 days is barely enough time to check out all the features and
> feel comfortable using it. It can be a little intimidating at
> first, that is why so many try it and dump it claiming "it's too
> complicated". The good news is that the newsgroup:
> "alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent" is very active with plenty
> of very knowledgeable and helpful posters.
>
> I have tried all the newreaders I could get my hands on, and
> always revert back to Agent for its functionality that can't be
> beat, IMHO. For $30, the cost is easily justified if you spend a
> lot of time on Usenet. Version 6 has tabs, better filtering, and
> other stuff. Rumor has it v7 is around the corner. There are
> already beta testers using it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
I can read your spamming just fine with Thunderbird, and it's free also. :)
--
Just West Of Nowhere
Enjoy Life And Live It To Its Fullest As
It Has An Expiration Date
Support Bacteria: They Are The Only Culture Some People Have
G. Morgan Pecked Out The Following:
> I forgot who asked me which version was the last to offer "Free
> Agent", the scaled down version of "Forte Agent". I thought it
> was v5, but it's actually v3.3.
>
> It can be downloaded here:
>
> http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download-all.php
>
> Specifically:
>
> http://ftp3.forteinc.com/pub/agent/english/agentenu330-846.exe
>
> No sense in downloading the dictionaries, unless you want to try
> the spell checker for 30 days (that is one of the features that
> gets disabled after the trial). The dictionaries are available @
> link #1. Go ahead and try it though, its a great feature.
>
> 30 days is barely enough time to check out all the features and
> feel comfortable using it. It can be a little intimidating at
> first, that is why so many try it and dump it claiming "it's too
> complicated". The good news is that the newsgroup:
> "alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent" is very active with plenty
> of very knowledgeable and helpful posters.
>
> I have tried all the newreaders I could get my hands on, and
> always revert back to Agent for its functionality that can't be
> beat, IMHO. For $30, the cost is easily justified if you spend a
> lot of time on Usenet. Version 6 has tabs, better filtering, and
> other stuff. Rumor has it v7 is around the corner. There are
> already beta testers using it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
I can read your spamming just fine with Thunderbird, and it's free also. :)
--
Just West Of Nowhere
Enjoy Life And Live It To Its Fullest As
It Has An Expiration Date
Support Bacteria: They Are The Only Culture Some People Have
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OldGringo38
May 13, 2012, 10:14:55 AM5/13/12
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On Or About This Date In History 5/13/2012 8:57 AM, Without Any Thought
> or which NG! So, I'll send you crackers with the spam.<g>
>
>
>
LOL Fun.
G. Morgan Pecked Out The Following:
> OldGringo38 wrote:
>
>> I can read your spamming just fine with Thunderbird, and it's free also. :)
>
> Someone asked, or I wouldn't have bothered. I can't remember who
>
>> I can read your spamming just fine with Thunderbird, and it's free also. :)
>
> or which NG! So, I'll send you crackers with the spam.<g>
>
>
>
LOL Fun.
tlvp
May 13, 2012, 10:33:20 PM5/13/12
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On Sun, 13 May 2012 07:44:01 -0500, G. Morgan wrote:
> I forgot who asked me which version was the last to offer "Free
> Agent", the scaled down version of "Forte Agent". I thought it
> was v5, but it's actually v3.3.
>
> It can be downloaded here:
>
> http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download-all.php
>
> Specifically:
>
> http://ftp3.forteinc.com/pub/agent/english/agentenu330-846.exe
>
> No sense in downloading the dictionaries, unless you want to try
> the spell checker for 30 days (that is one of the features that
> gets disabled after the trial). The dictionaries are available @
> link #1. Go ahead and try it though, its a great feature.
>
> 30 days is barely enough time to check out all the features ...
> I forgot who asked me which version was the last to offer "Free
> Agent", the scaled down version of "Forte Agent". I thought it
> was v5, but it's actually v3.3.
>
> It can be downloaded here:
>
> http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download-all.php
>
> Specifically:
>
> http://ftp3.forteinc.com/pub/agent/english/agentenu330-846.exe
>
> No sense in downloading the dictionaries, unless you want to try
> the spell checker for 30 days (that is one of the features that
> gets disabled after the trial). The dictionaries are available @
> link #1. Go ahead and try it though, its a great feature.
>
Sorry, there, G. Morgan, you confused me: 30 days is the free trial period
just of the dictionaries? or of everything, dictionaries and Agent as well?
TIA for clarifying that inadvertent ambiguity :-) . And cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
Ralph Fox
May 14, 2012, 6:01:54 AM5/14/12
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On Sun, 13 May 2012 22:33:20 -0400, in message <1obvwwssn3xp8$.7e5bnmoa...@40tude.net>
tlvp wrote:
> > No sense in downloading the dictionaries, unless you want to try
> > the spell checker for 30 days (that is one of the features that
> > gets disabled after the trial).
>
>
tlvp wrote:
> > No sense in downloading the dictionaries, unless you want to try
> > the spell checker for 30 days (that is one of the features that
> > gets disabled after the trial).
>
>
> Sorry, there, G. Morgan, you confused me: 30 days is the free trial period
> just of the dictionaries? or of everything, dictionaries and Agent as well?
Neither of tlvp's two choices is the correct one.
> just of the dictionaries? or of everything, dictionaries and Agent as well?
This page has a feature comparison.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060625212006/http://www.forteinc.com/agent/features.php
The features which get disabled after the trial are the features
which are marked in the first column and not in the second column.
--
Kind regards
Ralph
Mike Easter
May 14, 2012, 8:23:45 AM5/14/12
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Ralph Fox wrote:
> tlvp wrote:
>> <G.Morgan's cite>
user, but I read things about Agent/FreeAgent including its group
alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent
I think there might be some confusion between the past and the present
because Forte changed the way they did/do things in terms of a trial.
In the past, ending at 3.3, one would download and install
Agent/FreeAgent and have all of the Agent features for 30d at which time
one lost the Agent features which are not present in Agent as
illustrated by the feature comparison chart. In order to have the
dictionary/spellchecker back then, one would have to have downloaded the
dictionary /and/ be within the 30d or have upgraded to Agent by registering.
In the present, one dl/s and installs the current v.6 (and the
dictionary separately) and one has v.6 (or 5 or 4) and after 30 days
there is no such thing as Free Agent, you are out of the free trial
phase, or else you pay to register Agent or use a crack to register to
continue to use Agent.
Also, earlier GM indicated^1 that a v.7 was somewhere on the
horizon/offing in the form of a beta, but some of the discussants in
alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent feel that Forte has 'abandoned'
its users in terms of further development.
I have no idea whether or not current sales of Agent justify
further/future development, only that it is popular.
^1 G. Morgan wrote:
> Rumor has it v7 is around the corner. There are
> already beta testers using it.
> (works with WINE too in Linux)
Agent/FreeAgent is described to work with Wine at various levels
reported at WineHQ^2 ranging from garbage (v.4) to platinum for v6 with
most of the reports such as 3.3 being at silver. There have been a
number of comments in newsgroups but not reported at winehq of agent
users being happy with its performance in linux.
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=59
Forte Agent Newsreader
--
Mike Easter
> tlvp wrote:
>> <G.Morgan's cite>
>
>>> No sense in downloading the dictionaries, unless you want to try
>>> the spell checker for 30 days (that is one of the features that
>>> gets disabled after the trial).
>>
>>
>> Sorry, there, G. Morgan, you confused me: 30 days is the free trial period
>> just of the dictionaries? or of everything, dictionaries and Agent as well?
>
>
> Neither of tlvp's two choices is the correct one.
>
>
> This page has a feature comparison.
> http://web.archive.org/web/20060625212006/http://www.forteinc.com/agent/features.php
>
> The features which get disabled after the trial are the features
> which are marked in the first column and not in the second column.
Disclaimer: I am not now nor never have been an Agent or Free Agent
>>> No sense in downloading the dictionaries, unless you want to try
>>> the spell checker for 30 days (that is one of the features that
>>> gets disabled after the trial).
>>
>>
>> Sorry, there, G. Morgan, you confused me: 30 days is the free trial period
>> just of the dictionaries? or of everything, dictionaries and Agent as well?
>
>
> Neither of tlvp's two choices is the correct one.
>
>
> This page has a feature comparison.
> http://web.archive.org/web/20060625212006/http://www.forteinc.com/agent/features.php
>
> The features which get disabled after the trial are the features
> which are marked in the first column and not in the second column.
user, but I read things about Agent/FreeAgent including its group
alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent
I think there might be some confusion between the past and the present
because Forte changed the way they did/do things in terms of a trial.
In the past, ending at 3.3, one would download and install
Agent/FreeAgent and have all of the Agent features for 30d at which time
one lost the Agent features which are not present in Agent as
illustrated by the feature comparison chart. In order to have the
dictionary/spellchecker back then, one would have to have downloaded the
dictionary /and/ be within the 30d or have upgraded to Agent by registering.
In the present, one dl/s and installs the current v.6 (and the
dictionary separately) and one has v.6 (or 5 or 4) and after 30 days
there is no such thing as Free Agent, you are out of the free trial
phase, or else you pay to register Agent or use a crack to register to
continue to use Agent.
Also, earlier GM indicated^1 that a v.7 was somewhere on the
horizon/offing in the form of a beta, but some of the discussants in
alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent feel that Forte has 'abandoned'
its users in terms of further development.
I have no idea whether or not current sales of Agent justify
further/future development, only that it is popular.
^1 G. Morgan wrote:
> Rumor has it v7 is around the corner. There are
> already beta testers using it.
Agent/FreeAgent is described to work with Wine at various levels
reported at WineHQ^2 ranging from garbage (v.4) to platinum for v6 with
most of the reports such as 3.3 being at silver. There have been a
number of comments in newsgroups but not reported at winehq of agent
users being happy with its performance in linux.
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=59
Forte Agent Newsreader
--
Mike Easter
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s|b
May 14, 2012, 3:05:27 PM5/14/12
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On Mon, 14 May 2012 05:23:45 -0700, Mike Easter wrote:
> I think there might be some confusion between the past and the present
> because Forte changed the way they did/do things in terms of a trial.
It seems there is.
> I think there might be some confusion between the past and the present
> because Forte changed the way they did/do things in terms of a trial.
> In the past, ending at 3.3, one would download and install
> Agent/FreeAgent
I'm not sure what the latest version of Free Agent (as a separate
program) is...
--
s|b
s|b
May 14, 2012, 3:11:26 PM5/14/12
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On Mon, 14 May 2012 09:32:39 -0500, G. Morgan wrote:
> BTW-- If they don't come out with a new version soon, I'll call it
> 'anondonware' and just recommend cracking it.
Because $29.00 is such a large amount of money? :-?
--
s|b
> BTW-- If they don't come out with a new version soon, I'll call it
> 'anondonware' and just recommend cracking it.
Because $29.00 is such a large amount of money? :-?
--
s|b
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Ralph Fox
May 14, 2012, 4:23:49 PM5/14/12
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On Mon, 14 May 2012 05:23:45 -0700, in message <a1cbqi...@mid.individual.net>
Mike Easter wrote:
> Disclaimer: I am not now nor never have been an Agent or Free Agent
> user, but I read things about Agent/FreeAgent including its group
> alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent
>
> I think there might be some confusion between the past and the present
> because Forte changed the way they did/do things in terms of a trial.
The OP's post and subsequent discussion are about Agent 3.3,
Mike Easter wrote:
> Disclaimer: I am not now nor never have been an Agent or Free Agent
> user, but I read things about Agent/FreeAgent including its group
> alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent
>
> I think there might be some confusion between the past and the present
> because Forte changed the way they did/do things in terms of a trial.
not about the later versions.
> In the past, ending at 3.3, one would download and install
> Agent/FreeAgent and have all of the Agent features for 30d at which time
> one lost the Agent features which are not present in Agent as
> illustrated by the feature comparison chart. In order to have the
> dictionary/spellchecker back then, one would have to have downloaded the
> dictionary /and/ be within the 30d or have upgraded to Agent by registering.
> In the present, one dl/s and installs the current v.6 (and the
> dictionary separately) and one has v.6 (or 5 or 4) and after 30 days
> there is no such thing as Free Agent, you are out of the free trial
> phase, or else you pay to register Agent
> Also, earlier GM indicated^1 that a v.7 was somewhere on the
> horizon/offing in the form of a beta, but some of the discussants in
> alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent feel that Forte has 'abandoned'
> its users in terms of further development.
--
Kind regards
Ralph
tlvp
May 14, 2012, 4:53:33 PM5/14/12
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On Mon, 14 May 2012 09:30:45 -0500, G. Morgan wrote:
> 30 days of "Agent" full-featured. After 30 it reverts to "Free
> Agent".
Ah, thanks, G. Morgan. And, I guess, unlike later versions, which disappear
entirely, the 3.3 version after 30 days still leaves you with a useful news
client?
Cheers, -- tlvp
> Agent".
Ah, thanks, G. Morgan. And, I guess, unlike later versions, which disappear
entirely, the 3.3 version after 30 days still leaves you with a useful news
client?
Cheers, -- tlvp
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Mike Easter
May 14, 2012, 5:39:56 PM5/14/12
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tlvp wrote:
... if I were going to spend some time evaluating Agent to see how well
I liked it, I think I would spend more time evaluating Agent 6 than
Agent 3.3, because I think I would like 6 better than 3.3, considering
how many things have been significantly improved between 3.3 and 6.
Then if I liked 6 significantly better than 3.3, all that is left to do
is decide between the dollar cost of registering ethically and the moral
'cost' of cracking/inputting the registration code unethically.
<donning my format=flowed advocacy hat> None of the Agents are f=f
compliant/capable. </hat>
--
Mike Easter
> G. Morgan wrote:
>> 30 days of "Agent" full-featured. After 30 it reverts to "Free
>> Agent".
>
> Ah, thanks, G. Morgan. And, I guess, unlike later versions, which disappear
> entirely, the 3.3 version after 30 days still leaves you with a useful news
> client?
Yes but...
>> 30 days of "Agent" full-featured. After 30 it reverts to "Free
>> Agent".
>
> Ah, thanks, G. Morgan. And, I guess, unlike later versions, which disappear
> entirely, the 3.3 version after 30 days still leaves you with a useful news
> client?
... if I were going to spend some time evaluating Agent to see how well
I liked it, I think I would spend more time evaluating Agent 6 than
Agent 3.3, because I think I would like 6 better than 3.3, considering
how many things have been significantly improved between 3.3 and 6.
Then if I liked 6 significantly better than 3.3, all that is left to do
is decide between the dollar cost of registering ethically and the moral
'cost' of cracking/inputting the registration code unethically.
<donning my format=flowed advocacy hat> None of the Agents are f=f
compliant/capable. </hat>
--
Mike Easter
John F. Morse
May 14, 2012, 5:46:28 PM5/14/12
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[Ridiculous crossposts removed]
It might not be to you, but to others it could be far beyond what they
consider a decent price for this particular program.
There are many other and better newsreaders available for absolutely no
cost. Plus they are free of proprietary restrictions.
I wouldn't pay one cent for Agent.
But since you made the claim, send me your $29.00 as a donation.
Here's your Agent 1.93/32.576 Serial Number: 12978423
--
John
When a person has -- whether they knew it or not -- already
rejected the Truth, by what means do they discern a lie?
consider a decent price for this particular program.
There are many other and better newsreaders available for absolutely no
cost. Plus they are free of proprietary restrictions.
I wouldn't pay one cent for Agent.
But since you made the claim, send me your $29.00 as a donation.
Here's your Agent 1.93/32.576 Serial Number: 12978423
--
John
When a person has -- whether they knew it or not -- already
rejected the Truth, by what means do they discern a lie?
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Mike Easter
May 14, 2012, 7:14:09 PM5/14/12
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G. Morgan wrote:
It only makes a difference to the user of the newsagent if it makes a
difference to the user. If the user doesn't care, then it doesn't.
I carp about Tb only being partially compliant. Opera is compliant.
MesNews is compliant.
If more newsreaders were f=f compliant, then there would be less
episodes of ugly shortlines/ embarrassing linewraps -- or less need for
someone to need to try to rewrap ugly lines with a competent editor.
One strategy that some readers employ is to not wrap any quoted lines
and just let them grow, but then that just leads to an increased
likelihood that some other agent is going to wrap those same lines when
cited and make them ugly and hard to read.
--
Mike Easter
> Mike Easter wrote:
>
>> <donning my format=flowed advocacy hat> None of the Agents are f=f
>> compliant/capable. </hat>
>
> What difference does it make?
>
>> <donning my format=flowed advocacy hat> None of the Agents are f=f
>> compliant/capable. </hat>
>
It only makes a difference to the user of the newsagent if it makes a
difference to the user. If the user doesn't care, then it doesn't.
I carp about Tb only being partially compliant. Opera is compliant.
MesNews is compliant.
If more newsreaders were f=f compliant, then there would be less
episodes of ugly shortlines/ embarrassing linewraps -- or less need for
someone to need to try to rewrap ugly lines with a competent editor.
One strategy that some readers employ is to not wrap any quoted lines
and just let them grow, but then that just leads to an increased
likelihood that some other agent is going to wrap those same lines when
cited and make them ugly and hard to read.
--
Mike Easter
s|b
May 15, 2012, 2:33:32 PM5/15/12
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On Mon, 14 May 2012 16:46:28 -0500, John F. Morse wrote:
> > Because $29.00 is such a large amount of money? :-?
> It might not be to you, but to others it could be far beyond what they
> consider a decent price for this particular program.
I paid /more/ each month to my cable provider. I used to pay 42,91 euro
> > Because $29.00 is such a large amount of money? :-?
> It might not be to you, but to others it could be far beyond what they
> consider a decent price for this particular program.
each month, now it's 26,45 euro. What do you pay for your Internet
connection each month? Or are you stealing it from your neighbours?
> There are many other and better newsreaders available for absolutely no
> cost. Plus they are free of proprietary restrictions.
since you're talking about "better" newsreaders...
> I wouldn't pay one cent for Agent.
> But since you made the claim, send me your $29.00 as a donation.
> Here's your Agent 1.93/32.576 Serial Number: 12978423
--
s|b
tlvp
May 15, 2012, 6:58:03 PM5/15/12
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On Mon, 14 May 2012 16:39:51 -0500, G. Morgan wrote:
> tlvp wrote:
>
>> ... the 3.3 version after 30 days still leaves you with a useful news
> tlvp wrote:
>
>>client?
>
> Indeed it does, if you are a good speller!
>
> At the same time, also try version 6 for 30 days to see what you
> are missing between upgrades. It will just stop working after 30
> days, I think it will let you read but not post and nag you for a
> reg. key.
>
> Install in seperate directories, and with v6 choose the option not
> to diddle with the registry.
Thank you, G. Morgan. I'll probably content myself w/ v. 3.3 alone.
John F. Morse
May 16, 2012, 6:39:11 AM5/16/12
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s|b <m...@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 May 2012 16:46:28 -0500, John F. Morse wrote:
>
>> > Because $29.00 is such a large amount of money? :-?
>
>> It might not be to you, but to others it could be far beyond what they
>> consider a decent price for this particular program.
>
> I paid /more/ each month to my cable provider. I used to pay 42,91 euro
> each month, now it's 26,45 euro. What do you pay for your Internet
> connection each month? Or are you stealing it from your neighbours?
Just what does your ISP price have to do with Forte Agent?
> On Mon, 14 May 2012 16:46:28 -0500, John F. Morse wrote:
>
>> > Because $29.00 is such a large amount of money? :-?
>
>> It might not be to you, but to others it could be far beyond what they
>> consider a decent price for this particular program.
>
> I paid /more/ each month to my cable provider. I used to pay 42,91 euro
> each month, now it's 26,45 euro. What do you pay for your Internet
> connection each month? Or are you stealing it from your neighbours?
Additionally, what I stated includes the concern people have with their
income and "disposable" money. That is part of "cost."
I do not steal, and I hate thieves.
My cable bill is US$61.98 per month for 20 Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up. You
do the conversions, if it matters.
>> There are many other and better newsreaders available for absolutely no
>> cost. Plus they are free of proprietary restrictions.
>
> According to your headers, you're using Thunderbird 2.0.0.24. Funny
> since you're talking about "better" newsreaders...
It is free of cost.
It is free of proprietary restrictions, which you obviously prefer.
It has many features Agent doesn't have.
But it cannot handle super binary groups like Agent, if that is your bag.
If so, you should use Klibido, which does a better job than Agent.
Since you only believe what the header shows, look at this one.
I have all of the newsreaders ever released.
>> I wouldn't pay one cent for Agent.
>
> Good for you.
>
>> But since you made the claim, send me your $29.00 as a donation.
>
> I don't do charity.
>> Here's your Agent 1.93/32.576 Serial Number: 12978423
>
> I left 1.93 behind a long time ago...
Ted S.
May 16, 2012, 7:39:30 AM5/16/12
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On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:39:11 +0000 (UTC), John F. Morse wrote:
> I have all of the newsreaders ever released.
Why the hell did you download J*ff R*lf's newsreader? ;-)
> I have all of the newsreaders ever released.
--
Ted S.
fedya at hughes dot net
Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com
John F. Morse
May 16, 2012, 7:48:15 AM5/16/12
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Ted S. wrote:
> On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:39:11 +0000 (UTC), John F. Morse wrote:
>
>> I have all of the newsreaders ever released.
>>
>
> Why the hell did you download J*ff R*lf's newsreader? ;-)
>
The tally sheet has two sides. ;-)
> On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:39:11 +0000 (UTC), John F. Morse wrote:
>
>> I have all of the newsreaders ever released.
>>
>
> Why the hell did you download J*ff R*lf's newsreader? ;-)
>
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