Re: Linux newsreader that can search newsserver by Message-ID?

[mechanic]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 10:27:32 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:

> Recommendations please, for a Linux GUI newsreader client
> capable of searching the newsserver by Message-ID.
>
> TIA

Can't they all? On 40tude here and clicking on a link in references
in a header searches the local news-server by message-id (I think).

[s|b]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 12:01:17 +0100, mechanic wrote:

> > Recommendations please, for a Linux GUI newsreader client
> > capable of searching the newsserver by Message-ID.

> Can't they all?

No.

> On 40tude here and clicking on a link in references
> in a header searches the local news-server by message-id (I think).

Since when is 40tude Dialog a Linux newsreader?

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[mechanic]

Since Wine was developed.

[Dan C]

Wrong.



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[Whiskers]

On 2013-05-19, Sn!pe <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Recommendations please, for a Linux GUI newsreader client
> capable of searching the newsserver by Message-ID.
>

> TIA

Are there any that can't? I use slrn, which probably doesn't fall within
the usual definition of "GUI", but the command Esc l does what you're
asking for.

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[mechanic]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 17:08:45 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:

> I'm looking for a Linux 'reader so that I don't have to run a VM, a
> 'Doze client running under wine is not what I want. Thanks anyway.

My point was "Can't they all?"

[s|b]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 13:55:16 +0000 (UTC), mechanic wrote:

> >> On 40tude here and clicking on a link in references
> >> in a header searches the local news-server by message-id (I think).
> > Since when is 40tude Dialog a Linux newsreader?

> Since Wine was developed.

So you've tested it under Wine?

I've tested Fort� Agent 7.x under Wine (Lubuntu). It works, but there
are some bugs. I can imagine it's the same for Dialog. Anyway, it looks
like the OP doesn't want a Windows newsreader under Wine, he wants one
for _Linux_.

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[Ted S.]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 17:08:45 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:

> I'm looking for a Linux 'reader so that I don't have to run a VM, a
> 'Doze client running under wine is not what I want. Thanks anyway.

To be fair:

<snip> User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.3 (Mac OS X version 10.8.3 (x86)) </snip>

You seem to be either munging your headers or running on a Mac. I can
see people getting confused about what you're really looking for. :-p

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[John F. Morse]

No, stupid, none of them can "search a news server."

Newsreaders can only enter a specific group, then download certain header
fields and/or articles.

It is then up to the newsreader to search through this downloaded data.

To "search" a news server, you would need to access the server's history file,
and the storage manager. Newsreaders cannot do that.

http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs-2.5/grephistory.html

http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs-2.5/sm.html

It requires a CLI terminal and ssh, plus the user "news" privileges or
root/sudo. For instance:

grephistory '1gx5yvajwdhqu$.d...@example1357.net' | sm


Learn to operate a keyboard, or forever be stuck in the of pointy-clicky
Facebook and Google Groups world.


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[John F. Morse]

Since when did you start thinking?

You are "mechanic," remember?

40tude Dialog is not a Linux newsreader.

Furthermore, the most recent version of 40tude Dialog is a beta from February
2005, which is nevertheless considered stable and suitable for everyday use.
However, development has been discontinued.

It is "goneware": http://www.40tude.com/dialog

Back under your Model T you go.

[John F. Morse]

On 05/19/2013 01:17 PM, Ted S. wrote:
> On Sun, 19 May 2013 17:08:45 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for a Linux 'reader so that I don't have to run a VM, a
>> 'Doze client running under wine is not what I want. Thanks anyway.
> To be fair:
>
> <snip> User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.3 (Mac OS X version 10.8.3 (x86)) </snip>
>
> You seem to be either munging your headers or running on a Mac. I can
> see people getting confused about what you're really looking for. :-p

You must be peering into your mirror, Ted. You seem to be the one whom is
confused.

If he wants to run Linux software on a Mac, he can easily do so. Either
installing it under the Mac OS-X, perhaps from source if no suitable binary is
available, or booting into a Linux OS, since he is using the "(x86)" Mac which
has the Intel CPU.

Why do you believe he is munging the header U-A field?

[Whiskers]

On 2013-05-19, Sn!pe <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-05-19, Sn!pe <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Recommendations please, for a Linux GUI newsreader client
>> > capable of searching the newsserver by Message-ID.
>> >
>> > TIA
>>
>> Are there any that can't? I use slrn, which probably doesn't fall within
>> the usual definition of "GUI", but the command Esc l does what you're
>> asking for.
>

> I've looked at slrn in the past, Whiskers, and I'm sorry to say that it
> just don't float my boat (likewise emacs). I'll be honest and admit that
> my keyboard skills aren't good enough for me to be happy with a CLI
> client.

Fair enough.

> Besides, I'd like a good thread display if I can get it. Thanks
> for the suggestion though, all the same.

Just for the record, slrn threads beautifully :))

[Whiskers]

On 2013-05-19, Sn!pe <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-05-19, Sn!pe <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Recommendations please, for a Linux GUI newsreader client
>> > capable of searching the newsserver by Message-ID.
>> >
>> > TIA
>>
>> Are there any that can't? I use slrn, which probably doesn't fall within
>> the usual definition of "GUI", but the command Esc l does what you're
>> asking for.
>

> I've looked at slrn in the past, Whiskers, and I'm sorry to say that it
> just don't float my boat (likewise emacs). I'll be honest and admit that
> my keyboard skills aren't good enough for me to be happy with a CLI

> client. Besides, I'd like a good thread display if I can get it. Thanks

> for the suggestion though, all the same.

If all you're looking for is a GUI way to see an article whose MID you know,
try pointing your web browser at <http://al.howardknight.net/>. It only
shows one article at a time. Some browsers can be set to use that page as
a 'search engine', to automate lookups a bit.

I'm surprised MacSOUP can't 'find article by MID' or 'download article with
this MID when next pulling new articles'.

The most direct method is to fire up your telnet client and use it to log
in to your news-server, then issue the ARTICLE command; eg (you may need
the AUTHINFO USER username and AUTHINFO PASS password commands to log in):

#v+
]$ telnet tavy nntp
Trying ::1...
Connected to tavy.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 Leafnode NNTP daemon, version 2.0.0.alpha20110806a at
tavy.mobile.private
ARTICLE <1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>
220 0 <1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> article retrieved
- text follows
Path:
uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!feedme.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!newsfeeder.ewetel.de!border3.nntp.ams.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.brightview.co.uk!news.brightview.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 04:27:33 -0500
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Linux newsreader that can search newsserver by Message-ID?
From: sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe)
Reply-To: sn...@notforspam.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 10:27:32 +0100
Message-ID: <1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>
MIME-Version: 1.0

[snip bulk of article headers and body already seen in this thread]

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[Frank Slootweg]

John F. Morse <jo...@example.invalid> wrote:
> On 05/19/2013 11:43 AM, mechanic wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 May 2013 17:08:45 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:
> >
> >> I'm looking for a Linux 'reader so that I don't have to run a VM, a
> >> 'Doze client running under wine is not what I want. Thanks anyway.
> > My point was "Can't they all?"
>
> No, stupid, none of them can "search a news server."

When you're apparently unable to comprehend a two line post, you would
be well advised to not call someone *else* "stupid".

The OP is somewhat ambiguous, but I'm quite sure that the real
question is not "search[ing]" but "to fetch".

Clue-by-four: article/head/body.

[...]

[Jeff-Relf.Me]

To link to a post, I use Google Groups ( HTTP ).

But it's not easy to do.
Usually, I must go to the newsgroup to MANUALLY find the article.

When using my newsreader ( Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM ), for myself,
I just select a Message⋅ID, hit a "toolbar button" and I get:

s|b│me@privacy⋅invalid avs29r...@mid.individual.net
mechanic│mechanic@exampleΞnet 1607942104390664333.520...@web.aioe.org
snipe@spambin⋅fsnetΞcoΞuk(Sn 1l34nb9.fd611q2z7z0aN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk
mechanic│mechanic@exampleΞnet 1gx5yvajwdhqu$.d...@example1357.net
snipe@spambin⋅fsnetΞcoΞuk(Sn 1l34pby.gd99zy1bk7v7kN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk
Pepi│pepi@egg⋅nog cpedndtn15hOpwTM...@giganews.com
News.Software.Readers
╱ 1/1|12\0; 50 Minutes, Pan, Giganews.COM, May 19 { 13:49, 2013 }:23^(-5) fოΓП

Linux newsreader that can search newsserver by Message-ID?

> My current 'reader can't, so no.

Pan can't either. Haven't found anything resembling finding articles using
a Message-ID.

Anyone tried Thunderbird? Considering its origin, chances are it might be
able to.

Personally, I hate that bloated piece of junk, but others might like it.
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On Sun, 19 May 2013 22:14:15 +0100, Whiskers Inscribed upon the Golden
Tablets of Usenet thusly:

> On 2013-05-19, Sn!pe <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013-05-19, Sn!pe <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>> > Recommendations please, for a Linux GUI newsreader client capable of
>>> > searching the newsserver by Message-ID.
>>> >
>>> > TIA
>>>
>>> Are there any that can't? I use slrn, which probably doesn't fall
>>> within the usual definition of "GUI", but the command Esc l does what
>>> you're asking for.
>>
>> I've looked at slrn in the past, Whiskers, and I'm sorry to say that it
>> just don't float my boat (likewise emacs). I'll be honest and admit
>> that my keyboard skills aren't good enough for me to be happy with a
>> CLI client. Besides, I'd like a good thread display if I can get it.
>> Thanks for the suggestion though, all the same.
>
> If all you're looking for is a GUI way to see an article whose MID you
> know,
> try pointing your web browser at <http://al.howardknight.net/>. It only
> shows one article at a time. Some browsers can be set to use that page
> as a 'search engine', to automate lookups a bit.

Also try http://groups.uffnet.com/



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[Shmuel Metz]

In <knb8b6$31p$1...@optima5.xanadu-bbs.net>, on 05/19/2013

at 02:14 PM, "John F. Morse" <jo...@example.invalid> said:

>No, stupid, none of them can "search a news server."

Syntax
ARTICLE message-id

Whether searching for a specific message-id is what the OP wants is a
question that only he can address, but it is certainly a search.

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[mechanic]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 10:38:23 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:

> Thanks, everyone, for your help.

No problem.

[Mike Easter]

Whiskers wrote:

> The most direct method is to fire up your telnet client and use it to log
> in to your news-server, then issue the ARTICLE command; eg (you may need
> the AUTHINFO USER username and AUTHINFO PASS password commands to log in):
>
> #v+
> ]$ telnet tavy nntp
> Trying ::1...
> Connected to tavy.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 200 Leafnode NNTP daemon, version 2.0.0.alpha20110806a at
> tavy.mobile.private
> ARTICLE <1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>

While I know that it would be a good experience for me to practice -
learn how to - writing a script...

How would one write a (bash) script that would contain user/pass for
server authentication (for a general/net server, not personal server)
and then pause for pasting in the MID so that the message result would
then be/get pasted into some editor such as gedit and/or perhaps saved
as a .nws file?

And... when one is giving the command for article and/but using the
article number associated with a particular group, may I 'presume' that
one can request the article by MID from a typical general news server
such as NIN just using the MID, no group?


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[Whiskers]

On 2013-05-20, Mike Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote:
> Whiskers wrote:
>
>> The most direct method is to fire up your telnet client and use it to log
>> in to your news-server, then issue the ARTICLE command; eg (you may need
>> the AUTHINFO USER username and AUTHINFO PASS password commands to log in):
>>
>> #v+
>> ]$ telnet tavy nntp
>> Trying ::1...
>> Connected to tavy.
>> Escape character is '^]'.
>> 200 Leafnode NNTP daemon, version 2.0.0.alpha20110806a at
>> tavy.mobile.private
>> ARTICLE <1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> While I know that it would be a good experience for me to practice -
> learn how to - writing a script...
>
> How would one write a (bash) script that would contain user/pass for
> server authentication (for a general/net server, not personal server)
> and then pause for pasting in the MID so that the message result would
> then be/get pasted into some editor such as gedit and/or perhaps saved
> as a .nws file?

Look up the utility called "zenity" if you want a GUI around the user
interaction.

As a general rule, I'd recommend getting all the parameters into your
script before it tries to contact the upstream server (or pass the
parameters to the tool that will actually perform the transaction).

Lynx is very handy for scripting, and can handle news: and nntp:// URLs; it
will even prompt you for login details if necessary :)) (It isn't the
world's best tool for reading and posting to newsgroups, although it can).

Try

#v+
$ lynx nntp://news.individual.net/"<1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>"
#v-

from a command prompt, if you have Lynx installed and an active account
with Individual.net.

> And... when one is giving the command for article and/but using the
> article number associated with a particular group, may I 'presume' that
> one can request the article by MID from a typical general news server
> such as NIN just using the MID, no group?

The MID is all you need. You only need to specify the newsgroup if you are
referring to the article using that server's own local message number
instead of the global MID.

See also RFC 1738 for description of the news: and nntp:// URL formats.

[John F. Morse]

On 05/20/2013 02:41 AM, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
> In <knb8b6$31p$1...@optima5.xanadu-bbs.net>, on 05/19/2013
> at 02:14 PM, "John F. Morse" <jo...@example.invalid> said:
>
>> No, stupid, none of them can "search a news server."
> Syntax
> ARTICLE message-id
>
> Whether searching for a specific message-id is what the OP wants is a
> question that only he can address, but it is certainly a search.

He did address that.

Furthermore, the OP specified:

"Recommendations please, for a Linux GUI newsreader client capable of searching the newsserver by Message-ID."

You gave the syntax, which is certainly correct and usable in a telnet
session, but what (Linux GUI) "newsreader" can do that?

Or a Linux CLI newsreader? Windows? Mac?

[John F. Morse]

On 05/20/2013 04:38 AM, Sn!pe wrote:

> Feranija <fera...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-05-19, Sn!pe <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>

>>> Recommendations please, for a Linux GUI newsreader client
>>> capable of searching the newsserver by Message-ID.
>>>

>>> TIA
>>>
>> Thunderbird for Linux with Mnenhy add-on does it. It can search for
>> news articles by MID locally, remote server, and newsgroups at Google.
>>
>> Besides that, at the bottom of headers field in opened articles it also
>> displays clickable references and a message-id (all expandable), just
>> like in the good old pre-AOL Netscape.
> That looks as though it's the answer I was looking for, especially as
> T'bird comes with the Linux I've just installed on my MacBook Pro.
> Thank you, Feranja.


Be careful of Thunderbird's display of References links.

If you have more than one news server configured, you may find out that method
gives weird results. Like creating a new news server account called simply
"news" which is not a FQDN, and will get you nowhere.

You also don't need Mnenhy to display these References links.

[Jeff-Relf.Me]

 
Thunderbird no longer creates a bogus "news" account
when you click on a "news:" link.

Very few people use "news:" links anymore, so it doesn't matter much.
Most, like me, use "http:" ( Google Groups ) links instead.

[John F. Morse]

On 05/20/2013 05:51 PM, Whiskers wrote:

> Lynx is very handy for scripting, and can handle news: and nntp:// URLs; it
> will even prompt you for login details if necessary :)) (It isn't the
> world's best tool for reading and posting to newsgroups, although it can).
>
> Try
>
> #v+
> $ lynx nntp://news.individual.net/"<1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>"
> #v-

The quotes (") cause a failure if used from within a running Lynx session.
Without the quotes, Lynx works very well, including to unusual ports and with
automatic authinfo prompting.

However, as you show, the quotes are required if Lynx is started from a
terminal with the full URI.

Lynx even follows the References M-IDs (select one and press <Enter>).

Don't know what your "#v+" and "#v-" represent. It works with or without.

Were you implying a comment, or root is giving those commands? It is hard to
say since you also show "$" as likely a user prompt, but is easily confused by
some new users as part of the command.

I'm not familiar with those two, and bash(1) is quite large. Grepping the
bash(1) output for those characters finds nothing. Please enlighten me, and TIA.

This works for your example in BASH:

lynx nntp://news.my.net/"<1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>"


Here is an example of retrieving the same article from a transit server on
Port 433, which also requires user (reader) authentication (not shown):

lynx nntp://news.my.net:433/"<1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>"

[andrew]

On 2013-05-21, John F. Morse <jo...@example.invalid> wrote:

> Don't know what your "#v+" and "#v-" represent. It works with or without.

'Verbatim' marks, pretty much unique to slrn which has a few keys and
colours to manipulate the presentation of the quoted text.

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[Frank Slootweg]

John F. Morse <jo...@example.invalid> wrote:

> On 05/20/2013 02:41 AM, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
> > In <knb8b6$31p$1...@optima5.xanadu-bbs.net>, on 05/19/2013
> > at 02:14 PM, "John F. Morse" <jo...@example.invalid> said:
> >
> >> No, stupid, none of them can "search a news server."
> > Syntax
> > ARTICLE message-id
> >
> > Whether searching for a specific message-id is what the OP wants is a
> > question that only he can address, but it is certainly a search.
>
> He did address that.

Then why did you call 'mechanic' stupid, while he got it (the OP's
question) right and you got it wrong!?

> Furthermore, the OP specified:
>
> "Recommendations please, for a Linux GUI newsreader client capable
> of searching the newsserver by Message-ID."
>
> You gave the syntax, which is certainly correct and usable in a telnet
> session, but what (Linux GUI) "newsreader" can do that?

Quite some time before your response, Feranija mentioned Thunderbird
with Mnenhy add-on.

> Or a Linux CLI newsreader? Windows? Mac?

Did you *read* the responses in this thread?

Mentioned were 40tude (Windows) and slrn (all). tin (all) can do it
too ('L').

BTW, it's a common mistake, but the term is 'CUI' (Character/Console
UI). A CLI (Command Line Interface) is a different facility, i.e.
command-line options and command-line parameters given when *invoking*
the program, not while it's already running. I.e. slrn and tin have a
CUI *and* a CLI, and many GUI programs also have a CLI.

[Mike Easter]

Whiskers wrote:
> Mike Easter

>> Whiskers wrote:
>>
>>> The most direct method is to fire up your telnet client and use it to log
>>> in to your news-server, then issue the ARTICLE command; eg (you may need
>>> the AUTHINFO USER username and AUTHINFO PASS password commands to log in):

>> How would one write a (bash) script that would contain user/pass for
>> server authentication (for a general/net server, not personal server)
>> and then pause for pasting in the MID so that the message result would
>> then be/get pasted into some editor such as gedit and/or perhaps saved
>> as a .nws file?

Somewhere I read that doing it, an nntp session, with Python might be
easier.

> Lynx is very handy for scripting, and can handle news: and nntp:// URLs; it
> will even prompt you for login details if necessary :)) (It isn't the
> world's best tool for reading and posting to newsgroups, although it can).
>
> Try
>
> #v+
> $ lynx nntp://news.individual.net/"<1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>"
> #v-
>
> from a command prompt, if you have Lynx installed and an active account
> with Individual.net.

I installed lynx and I can see where to configure a default news server,
but I can't see how to handle/configure/automate the authentication for
nntp, just something like ftp.

In Win, MS configured a handy little integration between IE and OE. If
one uses the syntax

news:mid

(in which mid is without angle brackets) into the IE address line, then
IE will call OE to log into its configured default news server and fetch
the article with the article command, which OE puts into angles.

Here is a log session for OE

NNTP Log started at 05/21/2013 05:48:02
NNTP: 05:48:02 [db] Connecting to 'news.eternal-september.org' on port 119.
NNTP: 05:48:02 [rx] 200 news.eternal-september.org InterNetNews NNRP
server INN 2.6.0 (20130210 snapshot) ready (posting ok)
NNTP: 05:48:02 [tx] MODE READER
NNTP: 05:48:02 [rx] 200 news.eternal-september.org InterNetNews NNRP
server INN 2.6.0 (20130210 snapshot) ready (posting ok)
NNTP: 05:48:02 [tx] AUTHINFO USER munged
NNTP: 05:48:03 [rx] 381 Enter password
NNTP: 05:48:03 [tx] AUTHINFO PASS ********
NNTP: 05:48:03 [rx] 281 Authentication succeeded
NNTP: 05:48:03 [tx] ARTICLE <avvifj...@mid.individual.net>
NNTP: 05:48:04 [rx] 220 0 <avvifj...@mid.individual.net> article
NNTP: 05:48:04 [db] Connection to 'news.eternal-september.org' closed.


The most likely way I would use lynx would be to configure it for a news
server, hopefully be able to configure for a user/pass, then open it
with a lynx command and then input the nntp URL with the article.

But if I can't configure lynx with a user/pass, I think I would rather
learn how to write a .py.


--
Mike Easter

[Whiskers]

On 2013-05-21, John F. Morse <jo...@example.invalid> wrote:
> On 05/20/2013 02:41 AM, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
>> In <knb8b6$31p$1...@optima5.xanadu-bbs.net>, on 05/19/2013 at 02:14 PM,
>> "John F. Morse" <jo...@example.invalid> said:
>>
>>> No, stupid, none of them can "search a news server."
>> Syntax ARTICLE message-id
>>
>> Whether searching for a specific message-id is what the OP wants is a
>> question that only he can address, but it is certainly a search.
>
>
> He did address that.
>
> Furthermore, the OP specified:
>
> "Recommendations please, for a Linux GUI newsreader client capable of
> searching the newsserver by Message-ID."
>
>
> You gave the syntax, which is certainly correct and usable in a telnet
> session, but what (Linux GUI) "newsreader" can do that?
>
> Or a Linux CLI newsreader? Windows? Mac?

slrn can.

[Whiskers]

On 2013-05-21, John F. Morse <jo...@example.invalid> wrote:

> On 05/20/2013 05:51 PM, Whiskers wrote:
>
>> Lynx is very handy for scripting, and can handle news: and nntp:// URLs; it
>> will even prompt you for login details if necessary :)) (It isn't the
>> world's best tool for reading and posting to newsgroups, although it can).
>>
>> Try
>>
>> #v+
>> $ lynx nntp://news.individual.net/"<1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>"
>> #v-
>
> The quotes (") cause a failure if used from within a running Lynx session.
> Without the quotes, Lynx works very well, including to unusual ports and with
> automatic authinfo prompting.

Yes; bash gets confused by < and > characters (and some others) as they
have 'special meanings'; once you're inside Lynx, you aren't using bash any
more. The "" tell bash to take the enclosed character string as just that,
and not to try to make any sense out of it.

> However, as you show, the quotes are required if Lynx is started from a
> terminal with the full URI.
>
> Lynx even follows the References M-IDs (select one and press <Enter>).

It should recognise well-formed URLs within the body of an article too -
and is quite happy with Gopher and HTML.

> Don't know what your "#v+" and "#v-" represent. It works with or without.

Those are 'verbatim marks'; they tell newsreader software not to impose any
'style' or 'formatting' on the text in between, nor to 'parse' it, nor try
to execute anything that might be a command. I suspect that only a few
newsreaders actually know what to do with them, but for those that do
they're useful.

> Were you implying a comment, or root is giving those commands? It is hard to
> say since you also show "$" as likely a user prompt, but is easily confused by
> some new users as part of the command.

By convention, when showing command prompts in the context of Unix or
Linux, a $ indicates that a normal user can execute the command and a #
indicates that 'root' or 'super-user' or 'admin' status is required.

I sometimes forget that some people still aren't using *nix <WEG>

> I'm not familiar with those two, and bash(1) is quite large. Grepping the
> bash(1) output for those characters finds nothing. Please enlighten me, and TIA.
>
> This works for your example in BASH:
>
> lynx nntp://news.my.net/"<1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>"
>
>
> Here is an example of retrieving the same article from a transit server on
> Port 433, which also requires user (reader) authentication (not shown):
>
> lynx nntp://news.my.net:433/"<1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>"

Yup; good, init :))

[John F. Morse]

Thanks for the info.

Slrn (tin, et al) are outside the range of the OP's specification for a "GUI
newsreader." That was my original intent when I replied.

As for Mechanic, he is a well-known idiotic troll in other groups where I long
ago have plonked him. Some of the similar idiotic trolls and flamers in this
group probably are not familiar with him, so they flame me for using the term.

All is fair in love and war. ;-)

[John F. Morse]

On 05/21/2013 03:04 AM, andrew wrote:
> On 2013-05-21, John F. Morse <jo...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Don't know what your "#v+" and "#v-" represent. It works with or without.
> 'Verbatim' marks, pretty much unique to slrn which has a few keys and
> colours to manipulate the presentation of the quoted text.
>
> Andrew

Thanks Andrew.

I was looking for info on using a Linux GUI newsreader, which was what the OP
specified.

Several replies ventured off into CLI newsreaders, telnet, even writing
scripts to do the work. Not much help for the OP's requested need.

Then to add to the confusion, it isn't the newsreader that "searches" for a
particular M-ID, but the NNTP software running on the news server.

With that idea in mind, there are no news readers that can "search" through
all the articles on a news server spool to locate a specific M-ID. All they
can do is ask the news server to do the search and then report back with any
finding.

I kinda think that was where my mindset was when I replied, and it is still a
valid conclusion.

So searching for a particular M-ID is certainly possible, but searching for a
particular M-ID, using a GUI newsreader, is likely not possible, unless it can
query the server to perform the search.

That also includes any CLI newsreader, telnet, et al.

It's all in the viewpoint of what or who is doing the searching, and defining
the difference between "searching" and "looking for" or "querying."

Since I run an NNTP server farm, my outlook was more form that side.

[mechanic]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:45:15 -0500, John F. Morse wrote:

> As for Mechanic, he is a well-known idiotic troll in other groups
> where I long ago have plonked him. Some of the similar idiotic
> trolls and flamers in this group probably are not familiar with
> him, so they flame me for using the term.

Pathetic.

[Whiskers]

I haven't configured Lynx to do anything with 'authentication' over NNTP;
if the upstream server asks for a username and password, Lynx asks me.

[...]

> The most likely way I would use lynx would be to configure it for a news
> server, hopefully be able to configure for a user/pass, then open it
> with a lynx command and then input the nntp URL with the article.
>
> But if I can't configure lynx with a user/pass, I think I would rather
> learn how to write a .py.

On my system, with the NNTPSERVER system variable identifying the default
news-server (which happens to be my own local 'Leafnode'), the command

#v+
$ lynx news:"<1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>"
#v-

does it all (so long as the article identified is still in the server's
spool, of course).

I seldom need to do that, because slrn has its own command (Esc l) to
achieve the same result.

[Mike Yetto]

In a world where John F. Morse <jo...@example.invalid>
posts to Usenet.

>As for Mechanic, he is a well-known idiotic troll in other groups where I long
>ago have plonked him. Some of the similar idiotic trolls and flamers in this
>group probably are not familiar with him, so they flame me for using the term.

He is not only a troll, he's a tim-troll and a shill.

Mike "don't remember seeing him here" Yetto
--
"Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion,
by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense"
- Carl Sagan

[Frank Slootweg]

John F. Morse <jo...@example.invalid> wrote:

[...]

> As for Mechanic, he is a well-known idiotic troll in other groups where I long
> ago have plonked him. Some of the similar idiotic trolls and flamers in this
> group probably are not familiar with him, so they flame me for using the term.

Other than you, there are no "idiotic trolls and flamers" in this
thread.

That you think Mechanic "is a well-known idiotic troll" is no excuse
for flaming him when he's right and you're wrong. Makes you look quite
silly.

[This space is intentionally left blank for MY.]

[Frank Slootweg]

John F. Morse <jo...@example.invalid> wrote:
> I was looking for info on using a Linux GUI newsreader, which was what the OP
> specified.
>
> Several replies ventured off into CLI newsreaders, telnet, even writing
> scripts to do the work. Not much help for the OP's requested need.
>
> Then to add to the confusion, it isn't the newsreader that "searches" for a
> particular M-ID, but the NNTP software running on the news server.
>
> With that idea in mind, there are no news readers that can "search" through
> all the articles on a news server spool to locate a specific M-ID. All they
> can do is ask the news server to do the search and then report back with any
> finding.

Moot point. The news server also does not ""search" through all the
articles on a news server spool to locate a specific M-ID.". It
'searches' the history 'file' (database), *not* the spool.

Anyway, your whole 'argument' is silly, because most if not all
article related fetches/searches/<whatever> are done by the server. So
why does a certain operation suddenly become 'impossible' for a client,
just because the server has to do part of the work. "No, this
web-browser cannot fetch webpages!"? I don't think so.

Client-server!? What a concept!

[More of the same deleted.]

[Frank Slootweg]

John F. Morse <jo...@example.invalid> wrote:
> On 05/21/2013 06:35 AM, Whiskers wrote:
> > On 2013-05-21, John F. Morse <jo...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 05/20/2013 02:41 AM, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
> >>> In <knb8b6$31p$1...@optima5.xanadu-bbs.net>, on 05/19/2013 at 02:14 PM,
> >>> "John F. Morse" <jo...@example.invalid> said:
> >>>
> >>>> No, stupid, none of them can "search a news server."
> >>> Syntax ARTICLE message-id
> >>>
> >>> Whether searching for a specific message-id is what the OP wants is a
> >>> question that only he can address, but it is certainly a search.
> >>
> >> He did address that.
> >>
> >> Furthermore, the OP specified:
> >>
> >> "Recommendations please, for a Linux GUI newsreader client capable of
> >> searching the newsserver by Message-ID."
> >>
> >>
> >> You gave the syntax, which is certainly correct and usable in a telnet
> >> session, but what (Linux GUI) "newsreader" can do that?
> >>
> >> Or a Linux CLI newsreader? Windows? Mac?
> > slrn can.
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Slrn (tin, et al) are outside the range of the OP's specification for a "GUI
> newsreader." That was my original intent when I replied.

But Thunderbird is not. I already pointed that out, but you probably
have me in your killfile for having the 'audacity' to call you on your
misdirected flame and error. But what's your excuse for not
acknowledging Feranija post?

[mechanic]

On 22 May 2013 19:02:35 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

> That you think Mechanic "is a well-known idiotic troll" is no excuse
> for flaming him when he's right and you're wrong. Makes you look quite
> silly.

+1

I may be well-known, perhaps idiotic, but certainly not a troll,
even a tim-troll (whatever that may be) as Mike "WTF do I know"
Yetto claimed.

[John F. Morse]

On 05/22/2013 02:21 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> John F. Morse <jo...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> I was looking for info on using a Linux GUI newsreader, which was what the OP
>> specified.
>>
>> Several replies ventured off into CLI newsreaders, telnet, even writing
>> scripts to do the work. Not much help for the OP's requested need.
>>
>> Then to add to the confusion, it isn't the newsreader that "searches" for a
>> particular M-ID, but the NNTP software running on the news server.
>>
>> With that idea in mind, there are no news readers that can "search" through
>> all the articles on a news server spool to locate a specific M-ID. All they
>> can do is ask the news server to do the search and then report back with any
>> finding.
> Moot point. The news server also does not ""search" through all the
> articles on a news server spool to locate a specific M-ID.". It
> 'searches' the history 'file' (database), *not* the spool.

I never said it did, you stupid idiot.

Go back and read my original message about the history file.

You are the dumbest fool I've ever seen in this group.

Using Tin from home to access a Windoze box running Hamster at work.

Bugger off.

Here, I'll assist you: <plonk>

> [More of the same deleted.]

Of course, since you have no idea of what you are speaking.

[John F. Morse]

On 05/22/2013 02:02 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> John F. Morse <jo...@example.invalid> wrote:
> [...]
>> As for Mechanic, he is a well-known idiotic troll in other groups where I long
>> ago have plonked him. Some of the similar idiotic trolls and flamers in this
>> group probably are not familiar with him, so they flame me for using the term.
> Other than you, there are no "idiotic trolls and flamers" in this
> thread.

You obviously don't care to count yourself.

I don't either.

> That you think Mechanic "is a well-known idiotic troll" is no excuse
> for flaming him when he's right and you're wrong. Makes you look quite
> silly.
>
> [This space is intentionally left blank for MY.]

[John F. Morse]

On 05/22/2013 02:21 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

You are now, as soon as I download more articles, you are history.

Since you get to flame others, I do to.

Like it or lump it, idiot.

[John F. Morse]

You and your lover Frank are both idiotic trolls.

I just call 'em like you build 'em: WRONG!

[Frank Slootweg]

John F. Morse <jo...@example.invalid> wrote:
> On 05/22/2013 02:21 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > John F. Morse <jo...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> I was looking for info on using a Linux GUI newsreader, which was what the OP
> >> specified.
> >>
> >> Several replies ventured off into CLI newsreaders, telnet, even writing
> >> scripts to do the work. Not much help for the OP's requested need.
> >>
> >> Then to add to the confusion, it isn't the newsreader that "searches" for a
> >> particular M-ID, but the NNTP software running on the news server.
> >>
> >> With that idea in mind, there are no news readers that can "search" through
> >> all the articles on a news server spool to locate a specific M-ID. All they
> >> can do is ask the news server to do the search and then report back with any
> >> finding.
> > Moot point. The news server also does not ""search" through all the
> > articles on a news server spool to locate a specific M-ID.". It
> > 'searches' the history 'file' (database), *not* the spool.
>
> I never said it did, you stupid idiot.

May I suggest Reading 101 and Comprehension 101? Clue-by-four: "also"

> Go back and read my original message about the history file.
>
> You are the dumbest fool I've ever seen in this group.

Don't sell yourself short.

> Using Tin from home to access a Windoze box running Hamster at work.

Mostly wrong, but even if it was correct: So? What's your problem with
it? Still can't handle it when people have the 'audacity' of talking
back at you and now you feel the need to have a pissing contest of some
sort?

> Bugger off.

Because some pompous twat says so?

> Here, I'll assist you: <plonk>

Ouch! That hurts. A publicly announced plonk, such maturity! I stand
in awe.

> > [More of the same deleted.]
>
> Of course, since you have no idea of what you are speaking.

The famous non-argument: Unable to say *why* someone has no idea, but
instead the ever so cute stamping of tiny feet. Quite endearing!

But if that's another pissing contest: Google is your 'friend'.

In closing, get some help for your Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

[Shmuel Metz]

In <knjgif$93b$1...@optima5.xanadu-bbs.net>, on 05/22/2013

at 05:24 PM, "John F. Morse" <jo...@example.invalid> said:

>You are the dumbest fool I've ever seen in this group.

Well, she/he/it is in the running, but there have been other
candidates. I thought that s/h/it was in my twit list, but I may have
allowed the entry to expire. I may decide to drop individual.net
rather than filtering on a From that frank's likely to change.

--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT <http://patriot.net/~shmuel>

Unsolicited bulk E-mail subject to legal action. I reserve the
right to publicly post or ridicule any abusive E-mail. Reply to
domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+news to contact me. Do not
reply to spam...@library.lspace.org

[Shmuel Metz]

In <kngjk1$g7i$1...@optima5.xanadu-bbs.net>, on 05/21/2013

at 02:57 PM, "John F. Morse" <jo...@example.invalid> said:

>Then to add to the confusion, it isn't the newsreader that "searches"
>for a particular M-ID, but the NNTP software running on the news
>server.

Yes, but the news reader has to generate the correct retrieval
command, e.g., ARTICLE message-id, and correctly parse the output,
e.g., recognize an article number of 0.

>Then to add to the confusion, it isn't the newsreader that
>"searches" for a particular M-ID, but the NNTP software running on
>the news server.

It's a perfectly reasonable reading of the phrase "searches for a
particular M-ID" to interpret it as the client asking the server to do
a search on message-id, using the syntax from 6.2. Retrieval of
Articles and Article Sections in RFC 3977.

[Frank Slootweg]

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
> In <kngjk1$g7i$1...@optima5.xanadu-bbs.net>, on 05/21/2013
> at 02:57 PM, "John F. Morse" <jo...@example.invalid> said:
>
> >Then to add to the confusion, it isn't the newsreader that "searches"
> >for a particular M-ID, but the NNTP software running on the news
> >server.
>
> Yes, but the news reader has to generate the correct retrieval
> command, e.g., ARTICLE message-id, and correctly parse the output,
> e.g., recognize an article number of 0.
>
> >Then to add to the confusion, it isn't the newsreader that
> >"searches" for a particular M-ID, but the NNTP software running on
> >the news server.
>
> It's a perfectly reasonable reading of the phrase "searches for a
> particular M-ID" to interpret it as the client asking the server to do
> a search on message-id, using the syntax from 6.2. Retrieval of
> Articles and Article Sections in RFC 3977.

Careful! The above looks like you're (mostly) agreeing with this
"idiotic troll"/"stupid idiot"/"dumbest fool ever seen in this group",
which "has no idea of what it is speaking", and (hence) disagreeing with
Mr. Morse! And 'we' can't have *that*, can we!? :-)

[Frank Slootweg]

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:

> In <knjgif$93b$1...@optima5.xanadu-bbs.net>, on 05/22/2013
> at 05:24 PM, "John F. Morse" <jo...@example.invalid> said:
>
> >You are the dumbest fool I've ever seen in this group.
>
> Well, she/he/it is in the running, but there have been other
> candidates. I thought that s/h/it was in my twit list, but I may have
> allowed the entry to expire. I may decide to drop individual.net
> rather than filtering on a From that frank's likely to change.

Please don't drop individual.net if you want to killfile me. No reason
to let other NIN users 'suffer' from my (alleged) sins.

As to changing my From: I have not changed my From in over 10 years. I
have (of course) never changed my name, and have only changed my e-mail
address [1] to the current (non :-)) 'mailbox' after retiring from my
employer.

I realize that for a "idiotic troll"/"stupid idiot"/"dumbest fool"
this responsible behaviour is regarded as highly despicable. I'm deeply
ashamed of myself!

As for me being in your twit list: That's of course quite possible,
but IIRC we've had very nice/productive exchanges as well. YMMV.

Take care.

[1] My e-mail address changed over time from bang-style to different
FQDN/NFQDN formats. I have no idea what that means, because "I have no
idea of what I am speaking"! :-)

[Nun the Wizer]

Shmuel Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes

>In <knjgif$93b$1...@optima5.xanadu-bbs.net>, on 05/22/2013
> at 05:24 PM, "John F. Morse" <jo...@example.invalid> said:
>
>>You are the dumbest fool I've ever seen in this group.
>
>Well, she/he/it is in the running, but there have been other
>candidates. I thought that s/h/it was in my twit list, but I may have
>allowed the entry to expire.

When I use Pan on Linux, I note that the kill options are 1
month, 6 months, or forever.

> I may decide to drop individual.net
>rather than filtering on a From that frank's likely to change.
>

I have used the predecessor to individual.net and have seen
nothing but good reports about the current incarnation.
--
Nun the Wizer

[Nun the Wizer]

Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid> writes
[snip]

>[1] My e-mail address changed over time from bang-style to different
>FQDN/NFQDN formats. I have no idea what that means, because "I have no
>idea of what I am speaking"! :-)

Not sure how serious you are, but am envious of your fluency in
English, which I assume is not your native language. I am currently
struggling to learn Russian, which this newsreader does not support :-(
--
Nun the Wizer

[Mike Dee]

Sn!pe wrote:

> Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> If all you're looking for is a GUI way to see an article whose
>> MID you know, try pointing your web browser at
>> <http://al.howardknight.net/>. It only shows one article at a
>> time. Some browsers can be set to use that page as a 'search
>> engine', to automate lookups a bit.
>
> Yes, I'm familiar with Howard K's very useful look-up page, I'm
> just looking for something a bit more convenient to use. It seems
> that I may have found it in Thunderbird.

Hi Snipe. Yes I know that Wine is not the path you want to go down.

Just commenting on one great feature of Xnews: Besides its ability to
retrieve any article from a Reference header and/or reconstruct entire
threads. If an article you want is no longer available on the server
(may have an X-No-Archive: yes, set, etc) Xnews pops up a dialog
offering to search for it via Howard K's, click yes and off it goes.

It think its because of a [misc] Deja query setting I may have added to
Xnews.ini (its in there & I've forgotten if I added it or not), but I
like that it does that (instead of offering G-Groups) by default.

That aside, I hope you find something suitable for your Linux line-up.

--
dee

[Frank Slootweg]

[Subject changed.]

Thanks for the compliment! English is indeed not my native language.
I'm Dutch. English has always been easy for me and I've worked for an
American company for 35 years (not that American is English :-)). And
the last 13 years we've spent most of our extended (mostly several
months) holidays in Australia (not that Australian is English :-)).

But other languages are much harder: German quite easy, French only a
tiny bit, Danish hardly at all, and that's about it.

[Ted S.]

On 25 May 2013 15:11:02 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

> But other languages are much harder: German quite easy,

Considering that Dutch is just German with really bad spelling and a bad
accent, I'm not surprised. :-p

--
Ted S.
fedya at hughes dot net
Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com

[Frank Slootweg]

Ted S. <fe...@hughes.spam> wrote:
> On 25 May 2013 15:11:02 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
> > But other languages are much harder: German quite easy,
>
> Considering that Dutch is just German with really bad spelling and a bad
> accent, I'm not surprised. :-p

Dutch isn't a language, it's a throat disease.

[Anonymous]

>Recommendations please, for a Linux GUI newsreader client
>capable of searching the newsserver by Message-ID.

One option is to use a browser, but only one linux browser can handle
the news URL scheme and it's not graphical. E.g. to see the article
you just posted, run:

lynx 'snews://nntp.aioe.org:563/1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk'

[Anonymous]

In article <1l34nb9.fd611q2z7z0aN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>
sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) wrote:
>
> mechanic <mech...@example.net> wrote:
>
> > "s|b" <m...@privacy.invalid> wrote:

> > > On Sun, 19 May 2013 12:01:17 +0100, mechanic wrote:
> > >
> > >>> Recommendations please, for a Linux GUI newsreader client
> > >>> capable of searching the newsserver by Message-ID.
> > >

> > >> Can't they all?
> > >
> > > No.
> > >
> > >> On 40tude here and clicking on a link in references
> > >> in a header searches the local news-server by message-id (I think).
> > >
> > > Since when is 40tude Dialog a Linux newsreader?
> >
> > Since Wine was developed.
>
> I'm looking for a Linux 'reader so that I don't have to run a VM, a
> 'Doze client running under wine is not what I want. Thanks anyway.

Why are you wasting your time looking for a linux reader when
the best are all windoze?

queue protests and snipes at windoze.

> --
> ^�^. Sn!pe <sn...@notforspam.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> My pet rock Gordon just is.

[Nun the Wizer]

Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid> writes

>[Subject changed.]
>
>Nun the Wizer <vg4cys...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>> Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid> writes
>> [snip]
>> >[1] My e-mail address changed over time from bang-style to different
>> >FQDN/NFQDN formats. I have no idea what that means, because "I have no
>> >idea of what I am speaking"! :-)
>>
>> Not sure how serious you are, but am envious of your fluency in
>> English, which I assume is not your native language. I am currently
>> struggling to learn Russian, which this newsreader does not support :-(
>
> Thanks for the compliment!

Bitte :-)

>English is indeed not my native language.

Don't worry. Many Britons cannot speak English correctly :-)
I taught English in Novosibirsk, Siberia, for a while.

>I'm Dutch.

That was my guess. Currently, I am not far from NL, via Harwich-
Hoek. A friend from Birmingham (UK) has lived near Utrecht for many
years and his Dutch girlfriend now speaks English with a 'Brummie'
accent :-)

>English has always been easy for me and I've worked for an
>American company for 35 years (not that American is English :-)). And
>the last 13 years we've spent most of our extended (mostly several
>months) holidays in Australia (not that Australian is English :-)).
>

"Variety is the spice of life."

> But other languages are much harder: German quite easy,

3 genders of nouns and a couple of "special" characters. My
strongest foreign language. To me, Dutch sounds like German, but is
spelt differently.

> French only a
>tiny bit,

Tr�s facile :-)

> Danish hardly at all, and that's about it.

Russian also has 3 genders of nouns, a significantly different
alphabet and is the hardest language I have tried to learn. Thank
goodness that I did a year of Latin at school, to introduce me to
grammar.
--
Nun the Wizer

[Thomas Krickstadt]

Nun the Wizer:
> Frank Slootweg:

>> German quite easy,

> 3 genders of nouns and a couple of "special" characters.
> My strongest foreign language.

Not to mention the countless dialects:
"Ick bin een echta Baliner, wa?".
(Translation: "I'm a real citizen of Berlin!" ;-))

Kind regards, Thomas
--
Thomas Krickstadt, Berlin, Germany, <mailto:use...@krickstadt.de>

[Frank Slootweg]

Sn!pe <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Nun the Wizer <vg4cys...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>

> [...]

>
> > To me, Dutch sounds like German, but is spelt differently.
>

> [...]
>
> Neglecting the Scheveningen shibboleth, of course.

Yep! That was why it was used in WWII by the Dutch resistance to suss
out any Germans (etc.) pretending to be Dutch.

"schapen scheerder" (sheep shearer) was another one.

[Frank Slootweg]

Well, perhaps lynx is the only browser which can *handle* a news URL,
but, for example, Firefox also *recognizes* a news URL and *passes* it
to the configured news client (i.e. often Thunderbird) for action.

So one would have to know how to invoke Thunderbird (or Firefox) with
a CLI command that can pass the news URL to it. I can't help with that.

[Whiskers]

And Opera has its own usenet client built in - much more useable than the
one in Lynx if you want to do more than retrieve single articles from time
to time.

--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

[Nun the Wizer]

Sn!pe <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> writes

>Nun the Wizer <vg4cys...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>

>[...]

>
>> To me, Dutch sounds like German, but is spelt differently.
>

>[...]
>
>Neglecting the Scheveningen shibboleth, of course.
>

>Hi, NtW. Sorry to interrupt, I'll leave you in peace. <G>
>
No problem. It was not a coital moment, or hour even :-)
--
Nun the Wizer

[Shmuel Metz]

In <b09sq5...@mid.individual.net>, on 05/24/2013

at 07:19 PM, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid> said:

>Careful! The above looks like you're (mostly) agreeing with this
>"idiotic troll"/"stupid idiot"/"dumbest fool ever seen in this
>group", which "has no idea of what it is speaking", and (hence)
>disagreeing with Mr. Morse! And 'we' can't have *that*, can we!?
>:-)

Even a stopped clock is right twice a days. I prefer to "Tell the
truth and shame the Devil" regardless of whom it offends or pleases.
So, yes, if a fool inadvertently gets something right and is
challenged on it, I reserve the right to defend the specific thing
that he got right. It would be a serious error in judgement to infer
that I agreed with anything else that the fool wrote, or even with an
other part of the fools text that I quoted. In particular, I did not
challenge anybody's characterization of you or agree with you on
anything except the existence of newsreaders capable of requesting
retrieval by message-id. HTH.

[Frank Slootweg]

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:

> In <b09sq5...@mid.individual.net>, on 05/24/2013
> at 07:19 PM, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid> said:
>
> >Careful! The above looks like you're (mostly) agreeing with this
> >"idiotic troll"/"stupid idiot"/"dumbest fool ever seen in this
> >group", which "has no idea of what it is speaking", and (hence)
> >disagreeing with Mr. Morse! And 'we' can't have *that*, can we!?
> >:-)
>
> Even a stopped clock is right twice a days. I prefer to "Tell the
> truth and shame the Devil" regardless of whom it offends or pleases.
> So, yes, if a fool inadvertently gets something right and is
> challenged on it, I reserve the right to defend the specific thing
> that he got right. It would be a serious error in judgement to infer
> that I agreed with anything else that the fool wrote, or even with an
> other part of the fools text that I quoted. In particular, I did not
> challenge anybody's characterization of you or agree with you on
> anything except the existence of newsreaders capable of requesting
> retrieval by message-id. HTH.

It does. Thanks for your response.

[Nun the Wizer]

Thomas Krickstadt <use...@krickstadt.de> writes

>Nun the Wizer:
>> Frank Slootweg:
>
>>> German quite easy,
>
>> 3 genders of nouns and a couple of "special" characters.
>> My strongest foreign language.
>
>Not to mention the countless dialects:
>"Ick bin een echta Baliner, wa?".
>(Translation: "I'm a real citizen of Berlin!" ;-))
>
>Kind regards, Thomas

I worked for Nixdorf in Paderborn in 1980. Ich war ein
Gastarbeiter :-) I think I can tell a Bayern accent: M�del vs. M�dchen,
usw. And I am aware of Hoch-Deutsch and Platt-Deutsch: auf'm statt auf
dem ...
--
Nun the Wizer

[Mike Easter]

Whiskers wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> Anonymous wrote:
>>> <Sn!pe cite>

>>>> Recommendations please, for a Linux GUI newsreader client
>>>> capable of searching the newsserver by Message-ID.
>>>
>>> One option is to use a browser, but only one linux browser can handle
>>> the news URL scheme and it's not graphical. E.g. to see the article
>>> you just posted, run:
>>>
>>> lynx 'snews://nntp.aioe.org:563/1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk'
>>
>> Well, perhaps lynx is the only browser which can *handle* a news
>> URL, but, for example, Firefox also *recognizes* a news URL and
>> *passes* it to the configured news client (i.e. often Thunderbird)
>> for action.
>>
>> So one would have to know how to invoke Thunderbird (or Firefox)
>> with a CLI command that can pass the news URL to it. I can't help
>> with that.

You can invoke Tb from the commandline with

thunderbird

You can invoke Tb in 'news mode' with

-news news_URL

You can fetch a message from the server starting with Tb closed with

thunderbird -news
news://nntp.aioe.org:119/1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk

No quotes are necessary if there aren't any spaces in the parameter.

That command will -1- open Tb -2- create an aioe account if none is
existing with the default configuration such as no authentication, no
Name or email, no security, and no subscribed newsgroups -3- fetch the
indicated MID Sn!pe message from the server which message opens in
another window

Moz has a list of command options and syntax here
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Command_Line_Options?redirectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=Command_Line_Options#Syntax_Rules

> And Opera has its own usenet client built in - much more useable than the
> one in Lynx if you want to do more than retrieve single articles from time
> to time.

The Opera page doesn't seem to indicate any news command parameters, and
I don't have an opera installed. Maybe the openURL command would open a
news_URL or maybe just using the command

opera news_URL

in news syntax as above would work.

http://www.opera.com/docs/switches/ Opera’s Command Line Options


--
Mike Easter

[Shmuel Metz]

In <b09ttu...@mid.individual.net>, on 05/24/2013

at 07:38 PM, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid> said:

>Please don't drop individual.net if you want to killfile me. No
>reason to let other NIN users 'suffer' from my (alleged) sins.

There are several trolls there who have a habbit of changing their
nyms to evade filters. The admins don't consider that to be an AUP/TOS
violation, and as a result I have added individual.net to my filters
for some other groups.

[Frank Slootweg]

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:

> In <b09ttu...@mid.individual.net>, on 05/24/2013
> at 07:38 PM, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid> said:
>
> >Please don't drop individual.net if you want to killfile me. No
> >reason to let other NIN users 'suffer' from my (alleged) sins.
>
> There are several trolls there who have a habbit of changing their
> nyms to evade filters. The admins don't consider that to be an AUP/TOS
> violation, and as a result I have added individual.net to my filters
> for some other groups.

Hmmm! Strange! In general NIN has a very good reputation as a well run
service. What you describe seems atypical for them. I have never heard
such a complaint before, but for a long time I don't subscribe anymore
to newsgroups where EMAK is common, so I can't really tell one way or
another.

Anyway, I assume that your newsreader allows you to downscore (instead
of drop) NIN and upscore (Freud made me type 'upscare' :-)) The Good
Guys (TM) on NIN, if any?

[Thomas Krickstadt]

Nun the Wizer:

> I worked for Nixdorf in Paderborn in 1980.

I know this is totally off topic, but I have also worked for
Nixdorf. In Berlin from 1984 until the end (1992), sometimes
visiting Paderborn for project meetings (A.S.E.). Have we
ever met by chance? As I remember more bad than good, we had
Dutch project participants.

> I think I can tell a Bayern accent: M�del vs. M�dchen, usw.

Not to mention the kind of speaking in Paderborn, one, two
word sentences, very stoic (I think).

Best regards, Thomas

[Jeff-Relf.Me]

 
You ( Mike⋅Easter ) are using a FINE newsreader, Thunderbird,
and a FINE newsserver, "Individual.NET".
[ My newsserver (newsRead.Glorb.COM) is better, by the way ]

This is a neat trick ( it works, THANKS ! ):

  Thunderbird -news news://newsRead.Glorb.COM:119/Jeff-R...@May.26{15.40.Seattle.2013}

However, few use "news:" links and some don't have Thunderbird;
better to use an "http:" link from Google Groups, if you can find it.

Note: You can VASTLY improve your search by limiting Google
to recently indexed pages.  For example:

● "Jeff Relf" on the web, last 3 months, Google ranked.

   Note the URL:

     google.com/search?q= "Jeff-Relf.ME" | "Jeff Relf" &tbs=qdr:m3&filter=0
       
       Links to my website (Jeff-Relf.ME) are boosted above "Jeff Relf".
       "|" means "OR".
       "filter=0" shows more results; duplicates are NOT filtered out.

       "tbs=qdr:m3" gives me the last 3 Months, Google ranked.
       Nicely, the "index date" is listed for each search result.

● "Jeff Relf" on Usenet, last 2 Weeks, newest first, Google moderated.

   The URL:

     google.com/groups/search?q= "Jeff Relf" &scoring=d&as_qdr=w2

       "as_qdr=w2" gives me the last 2 Weeks.
       "scoring=d" shows the newest posts first.

[Nun the Wizer]

Thomas Krickstadt <use...@krickstadt.de> writes

>Nun the Wizer:
>
>> I worked for Nixdorf in Paderborn in 1980.
>
>I know this is totally off topic, but I have also worked for
>Nixdorf. In Berlin from 1984 until the end (1992),

I seem to recall that there were tax advantages to working in
Berlin before re-unification.

> sometimes
>visiting Paderborn for project meetings (A.S.E.). Have we
>ever met by chance?

I doubt it. I worked on 886x and was there less than a year,
before working for Nixdorf in UK.

> As I remember more bad than good, we had
>Dutch project participants.
>
>> I think I can tell a Bayern accent: M�del vs. M�dchen, usw.
>
>Not to mention the kind of speaking in Paderborn, one, two
>word sentences, very stoic (I think).

I was not aware of that, maybe because I was still learning
German.

>
>Best regards, Thomas

Cheers,
--
Nun the Wizer

[Mike Easter]

Mike Easter wrote:

> The most likely way I would use lynx would be to configure it for a news
> server, hopefully be able to configure for a user/pass, then open it
> with a lynx command and then input the nntp URL with the article.
>
> But if I can't configure lynx with a user/pass, I think I would rather
> learn how to write a .py.

lynx can be configured to authenticate by using a .newsauth file.

I can use the command

lynx
nntp://news.individual.net/1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk

and it will fetch the message without any prompting for user/pass.

Since I have the default news server configured in lynx.cfg, it seems I
should be able to

lynx news:1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk

according to
http://lynx.isc.org/lynx2.8.7/lynx2-8-7/lynx_help/lynx_url_support.html

But it doesn't work in that syntax.


--
Mike Easter

[Ivan Shmakov]

>>>>> Mike Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid> writes:

[...]

> Since I have the default news server configured in lynx.cfg, it seems
> I should be able to

> lynx news:1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk

> according to
> http://lynx.isc.org/lynx2.8.7/lynx2-8-7/lynx_help/lynx_url_support.html

> But it doesn't work in that syntax.

Works for me in 2.8.8dev.5 debian 1, with the NNTPSERVER
environment variable being set.

--
FSF associate member #7257

[Mike Easter]

I created an uncommented line in lynx.cfg

NNTPSERVER:news.individual.net

The lynx.cfg I modified was etc/lynx-cur/lynx.cfg

The error seems to be after engaging news.individual.net; (it seems to
me) lynx wants to try to use some part of the M-ID as the hostname when
I use that syntax.

The lynx is 2.8.8dev.9-2ubuntu0.12.04.1 (precise updates) under Mint 13
XFCE.


--
Mike Easter

[Mike Easter]

Mike Easter wrote:
> lynx news:1l342q2.1sn44nt1hsvttmN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk

nevermindplease; it is working now :-)

--
Mike Easter

[Mike Easter]

Feranija wrote:

> Select a server or a newsgroup in your left side pane; right mouse
> click; choose 'Search messages'. A small window will pop-up. There,
> checkmark 'subfolders' or 'server'. From a second pull-down list select
> 'Message-ID'.

I'm with you up until the 'second pull-down list'. I don't see it.

> Or, right-mouse click in the article area; select 'Search for a
> message-ID' from a menu. There is a whole new menu.

I'm thinking that you must be using an add-on you haven't mentioned. I
don't have a search for m-id in a menu seen by R clicking on a message
in the thread pane.

Whatall does it say in your Tools/Add-ons in the extensions and plug-ins
functions?




--
Mike Easter

[Ted S.]

On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:43:54 -0500, Pepi wrote:

> You should try Finnish. Russian (just as Latin) has six cases, Finnish
> has fifteen cases!

Six of them are locative cases; some of the remaning ones aren't used
all that often. Of course, since shibboleths were discussed elsewhere
in the thread, the Finns had one of their own: H�yryjyr�, the word for
"steamroller", was used because of its plethora of sounds that Russians
couldn't pronounce easily.

Ultimately, though, every language has to be speakable by a
five-year-old. Otherwise, how would the five-year-old Finns survive?
:-)

--
Ted S.
fedya at hughes dot net
Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com

[Mike Easter]

Feranija wrote:

> Mike Easter wrote:

>> I'm thinking that you must be using an add-on you haven't mentioned. I
>> don't have a search for m-id in a menu seen by R clicking on a message
>> in the thread pane.
>>
>> Whatall does it say in your Tools/Add-ons in the extensions and plug-ins
>> functions?
>
>

> You can read quoted text in Sn!pe's message with this subject, or my
> reply in a thread on Thunderbird.

Yes you can access and read the cached messages in this thread with Tb's
ability to re-access currently cached messages.

What a default Tb can easily do with messages which are currently in its
cached references is allow the reader to click on the 'terse' References
which Tb displays in the headers subpane of the message pane.

In this thread such view of your message I'm replying to shows these
References (colorized and underlined):

References: 1,2,3,4,5,<b0n76o...@mid.individual.net>

... in which the 1-5 numbers are an 'abbreviation' for their MIDs, and
each item represents a function which displays a tool tip with the full
MID and clicking on any one of the items in such a cached Reference
displays the respective message.

However, that function for cached messages doesn't serve any purpose
when Tb is displaying References which are no longer cached.

Clicking on the 1 number displays the Sn!pe message we have been using
for illustration.



--
Mike Easter

[Nun the Wizer]

Ted S. <fe...@hughes.spam> writes

>On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:43:54 -0500, Pepi wrote:
>
>> You should try Finnish. Russian (just as Latin) has six cases, Finnish
>> has fifteen cases!
>
>Six of them are locative cases; some of the remaning ones aren't used
>all that often. Of course, since shibboleths were discussed elsewhere

>in the thread, the Finns had one of their own: Höyryjyrä,

Hurrah! Turnpike "speaks" Finnish!
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Just them pesky Russkis and Orientals causing problems :-)

> the word for
>"steamroller", was used because of its plethora of sounds that Russians
>couldn't pronounce easily.

Reminds me of "juggernaut".

>
>Ultimately, though, every language has to be speakable by a
>five-year-old. Otherwise, how would the five-year-old Finns survive?
>:-)
>

Idiot savants?
--
Nun the Wizer

[Shmuel Metz]

In <b0hrme...@mid.individual.net>, on 05/27/2013

at 07:49 PM, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid> said:

>Hmmm! Strange! In general NIN has a very good reputation as a well
>run service. What you describe seems atypical for them.

For a while I was sending them complaints about nymshifting trolls. As
a result, if an individual.net troll hits a news group and starts
nymshifting, then, e.g.,

+K\\alt.folklore.computers\{H:MESSAGE-ID}"@MID.INDIVIDUAL.NET>"\20170101

That last field is when it expires.

It's not just them; I also have, e.g.,

+K\UIP\*\{H:MESSAGE-ID}("GOOGLEGROUPS.COM>"|"GEO-DISCUSSION-FORUMS@")\

>Anyway, I assume that your newsreader allows you to downscore
>(instead of drop)

It allows boolean expressions within an entry but no scoring. If I had
a list of good guys I could add & !{F}(foo,bar,baz) to the entry.