I think I have tried just about all readers of any note in the past
couple of months and the short list has come down to Usenet Explorer,
News Rover and MesNews. Each one has most of the features of Gravity,
but not all.
Usenet Explorer is complicated at first, I liked that. It does not have
a built in picture viewer though.
News Rover has a good internal viewer for binaries but does not have the
article thread lines in the message pane which I find extremely helpful
for following long threads. They are in the folder pane, why not the
message pane.
MesNews is fairly simple but lacks good filtering and no internal
viewer.
Xananews is excellent for text groups but lacks on the bineries side.
I do not paticularly like or want to use, Xnews, Agent, Newsman Pro.
Any comments or suggestions anyone?
--
mick
> I am very reluctant to give up Gravity as I must have been using it for
> the last 12 to 13 years, but as it is not being developed anymore then I
> think it is time to move on. It has run on windows95, windows98,
> windowsXP and now vista. It does everything I need, customable tool bars,
> article pane threaded message lines, infinite filters and rules, superb
> internal picture viewer, never crashes, etc., etc.
If it does everything you want, it's not time to move on.
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> I think I have tried just about all readers of any note in the past
> couple of months and the short list has come down to Usenet Explorer,
> News Rover and MesNews. Each one has most of the features of Gravity,
> but not all.
Did you try 40tude Dialog? Everything that Gravity has, and more.
--
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-Friends don't let friends drive Vista
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty says...
>> mick wrote:
>>> I think I have tried just about all readers of any note in the past
>>> couple of months and the short list has come down to Usenet
>>> Explorer, News Rover and MesNews. Each one has most of the
>>> features of Gravity, but not all.
>>
>> Did you try 40tude Dialog? Everything that Gravity has, and more.
>>
> Yes, an excellent reader, but it does not have its own built in
> picture viewer like Gravity. Gravity 2.60 build 2060 is the last
> fully functional version. The last release, Super Gravity 2.70 had
> some features stripped out like the viewer.
Dialog's picture viewer? Do you mean like a multi-part binary you just
downloaded? I don't do binaries much, but I've always been able to view
all the standard formats right there in the message body pane.
I note the comment about no further development.
It applies to my mainstay, Turnpike, and to my fallback, Dialog.
As an ex-Boy Scout, I like to "Be prepared".
When I get a round tuit, I'll be looking for something that is
platform-independent.
--
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Free on-line, off-site backups?
<https://mozy.com/?ref=UK45Y5>
News is still pretty much news. :)
And if you stay put, your client will look and exact exactly as
you're used to; that seems very important to you.
> mick wrote:
>
>> I think I have tried just about all readers of any note in the
>> past couple of months and the short list has come down to
>> Usenet Explorer, News Rover and MesNews. Each one has most of
>> the features of Gravity, but not all.
>
> Did you try 40tude Dialog? Everything that Gravity has, and
> more.
Right down to the same state of abandonment. ;)
> In article
> <VcPLj.89468$D_3....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty <a.non...@example.invalid> writes
>>mick wrote:
>>
>>> I think I have tried just about all readers of any note in the
>>> past couple of months and the short list has come down to
>>> Usenet Explorer, News Rover and MesNews. Each one has most of
>>> the features of Gravity, but not all.
>>
>>Did you try 40tude Dialog? Everything that Gravity has, and
>>more.
>>
>
> I note the comment about no further development.
> It applies to my mainstay, Turnpike, and to my fallback, Dialog.
>
> As an ex-Boy Scout, I like to "Be prepared".
> When I get a round tuit, I'll be looking for something that is
> platform-independent.
slrn does both *n*x and Windows.
Photos do not open in the message body pane like many other readers so
you have the choice of using Gravitys gallery viewer or decoding to a
folder on the HDD and then using any third party viewer.
The problem of photos in the message body pane, is that if they are
larger than the pane, then you have to scroll around. I have a 22in
monitor so my message body pane is quite a large area but a lot of
posted photos are in the 1200x800 and larger formats which practically
fill my screen. The best thing about the Gravity viewer is that it is
pinned to the left hand top corner of the screen when using manually,
and adjusts itself dimensionally to the size of photo you are looking
at, at the time, so the forward/back buttons are always in the same
place relative to your mouse actions. The gallery can be used in slide
show mode which is then full screen and the photos adjust to fill the
screen if too large.
Using Gravitys internal viewer saves a lot of mouse movements by having
to find the folder the photos were decoded to on the HDD then opening
windows viewer to see them. With Gravity you can also view in decoded
order, thread order, downloaded session order, etc., etc. Much better
if you have a lot of odd named files that were intended to be viewed in
sequence. Try sorting that out in windows to view sequentially.
--
mick
> What about Pan 0.14.2.91 for Windoze?
Pan is my primary *n*x client -- I don't remember if there's a win
port, but if there is, I'd recommend it. If Win doesn't break it.
I switched from Gravity (also a LONG time user) to 40tude Dialog about 4
years ago, and haven't looked back.
--
Eggs
If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed...oh, wait a
minute - he already does.
Thanks.
As soon as I have retrieved all data from a desktop PC running Windows
Me, I'll try Linux.
It's an AMD 800 MHz. over-clocked to 900 MHz.
Should be OK?
Many distros to choose from.
Many new terms to learn :-(
Hell, I was using command-line Zenix back in the '80's.
Could smoke in the office then.
Worked for Delta, Switzerland.
Bench-marked in Groenigen, NL.
Univac System 80 soak-testing in 1980 at the factory in Tennessee.
Blah, blah, blah :-)
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:19:53 -0400, Meat Plow wrote:
>
>> What about Pan 0.14.2.91 for Windoze?
>
> Nope, not that I've seen or known of.
> <http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/>
> <http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/releases/>
> <http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/releases/0.14.2.91/>
> <http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/releases/0.14.2/>
<http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/releases/0.14.2/WINDOWS/>
This will take you to good old stable Pan for Windows. It's not the
*.91 version but its pretty close to it:
August 31, 2003 - New Release: 0.14.2 - "This is not a psychotic
episode. It's a cleansing moment of clarity."
> I've generally found the newer (beta) pan to run better on Windows
> than the old (stable) pan.
Thats odd, I found the opposite to be true (for me), but I have given
up on beta Pan releases, until I hear some glowing reports emerge.
--
dee
> Xananews is excellent for text groups but lacks on the bineries side.
What are you looking for in binary decoding? It does yEnc and I
noticed you mentioned something about large images and having to
scroll. Xananews has a setting that will adjust the image to the
window pane size so no scrolling is necessary. The only weakness in
binaries I have noticed is animated gifs.
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:19:53 -0400, Meat Plow wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:08:06 +0100, mick wrote:
> [...]
>>> Perhaps you are right Blinky, maybe I am looking for too much
>>> in todays newer offerings.
>>
>> What about Pan 0.14.2.91 for Windoze?
>
> Nope, not that I've seen or known of.
> <http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/>
> <http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/releases/>
> <http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/releases/0.14.2.91/>
> <http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/releases/0.14.2/>
>
> I've generally found the newer (beta) pan to run better on
> Windows than the old (stable) pan.
Well, it has fewer features to complicate things.
> In article <Xns9A7DA2D9...@maryann.blinkynet.net>,
> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> writes
>>
>>slrn does both *n*x and Windows.
>>
>
> Thanks.
> As soon as I have retrieved all data from a desktop PC running
> Windows Me, I'll try Linux.
> It's an AMD 800 MHz. over-clocked to 900 MHz.
> Should be OK?
Should.
[Snip...]
> Should.
FWIW...
It sounds it's a typical personal desktop setup, so I agree an 800 MHz or
so x86 CPU is fine (assuming no huge CPU intensive apps are planned, like
massive multimedia work).
IME, such typical personal desktop setups are helped more using maxed-out
RAM than hobbling a screaming CPU with too little real memory. This is an
almost universal observation (IMO) for any typical personal OS/distro.
AFAIK, many recent Linux distros require RAM of at least 256 MB (live-CD)
and not too many will install with less than 128 MB.
(It was laughable when M$ announced Vista *might* be OK in 512 MB RAM)
JMO; HTH...
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>so I agree an 800 MHz or
>so x86 CPU is fine (assuming no huge CPU intensive apps are planned, like
>massive multimedia work).
It is surprisingly responsive, though I do try to run everything lean
and mean. .... and house-keep regularly.
>
>IME, such typical personal desktop setups are helped more using maxed-out
>RAM than hobbling a screaming CPU with too little real memory.
Since a system disc crash on my Fujitsu XP main machine (1.7 MHz. AMD?
"2600"), I have been running on laptops with only 256 MB RAM.
Performance can be abysmal - pagefile thrashing, etc.
>This is an
>almost universal observation (IMO) for any typical personal OS/distro.
Do you have a particular recommendation for a relative nooby, please?
>
>AFAIK, many recent Linux distros require RAM of at least 256 MB (live-CD)
>and not too many will install with less than 128 MB.
>
>(It was laughable when M$ announced Vista *might* be OK in 512 MB RAM)
>
>JMO; HTH...
>
ISTR running Windows for Workgroups 3.11 on 8 MB :-)
3.0 ran on my 2MB 386SX. And that was an upgrade -- that box came
with 1MB as default.
> vg4cysss7001 wrote:
[Snip...]
>> Do you have a particular recommendation for a relative nooby, please?
IMO, you're looking for Ubuntu Linux.
I *think* Ubuntu will install in 256 MB, and Xubuntu in 192 MB. Of those
two (IMO) Ubuntu seems generally the easiest for most folks trying to go
from Doze to Linux (other options exist, obviously--YMMV).
Order Unbuntu install disk(s) at no cost and shipped free as well from:
> Order Unbuntu
________^Ubuntu
Weird "Seven-Up, The UnCola" Harold
Thanks for that.
"up to 10 weeks for shipping" :-(
I'll try D/Ling an ISO overnight.
> In <Xns9A7E7529...@maryann.blinkynet.net> Blinky the
> Shark:
Nothing that you quoted. Why reply to me?
>> vg4cysss7001 wrote:
>
> [Snip...]
>
>>> Do you have a particular recommendation for a relative nooby,
>>> please?
>
> IMO, you're looking for Ubuntu Linux.
>
> I *think* Ubuntu will install in 256 MB, and Xubuntu in 192 MB.
> Of those two (IMO) Ubuntu seems generally the easiest for most
> folks trying to go from Doze to Linux (other options exist,
> obviously--YMMV).
>
> Order Unbuntu install disk(s) at no cost and shipped free as
> well from:
>
> https://shipit.kubuntu.org/
>
> JMO; HTH...
>
--
> Apologies for following up myself...
>
>> Order Unbuntu
> ________^Ubuntu
He won't get *Ubuntu* disks from the website you gave...
Better correct yourself (again).
--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
>>Order Unbuntu install disk(s) at no cost and shipped free as well from:
>>
>> https://shipit.kubuntu.org/
>
> Thanks for that.
> "up to 10 weeks for shipping" :-(
> I'll try D/Ling an ISO overnight.
There is a new version coming out in a week or 2, might be worth
waiting for this?
Andrew
[Snip...]
> There is a new version coming out in a week or 2, might be worth
> waiting for this?
From my reading on alt.os.linux.ubuntu group, it might be a tossup now, in
terms of utility. But I don't follow bleeding edge too closely, so there's
probably many reasons for early adoption that I missed out of laziness.
Personally, I'd order the current version ASAP, because both the mailorder
and downloadings are swamped the first few weeks of a new release.
A testdrive ASAP might clarify if Ubuntu is useful in general to you.
> It's an AMD 800 MHz. over-clocked to 900 MHz.
> Should be OK?
Yes, but memory size does matter, too...
> Many distros to choose from.
Slackware or Debian.
> Univac System 80 soak-testing in 1980 at the factory in Tennessee.
No Linux distribution for that box, maybe NetBSD ?
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Here in the UK my normal advice would be to go to your nearest
newsagent and buy a monthly magazine such as Linux Format, which always
has a cover CD or DVD with at least one current Distro. There must be
some equivalent in your part of the world ...
The latest Linux Format I have to hand (LXF103, March08) had a
double-sided DVD with Ubuntu 7.10, OpenSUSE 10.3, Debian 4.0r2,
Mandriva, Mepis, Fedora, PCLinuxOS and others (not complete distro
sets, but enough to install a basic system and get you into a position
where you can decide whether you like it, and can download more
packages from the 'net with the distro's own package manager).
Not bad value for a free disk on a UKP6.49 comic, and the instant
gratification factor is fairly high.
Cheers,
Daniel.
Vista *is* OK in 512MB RAM ... just don't let it anywhere near your CPU
and you'll be fine.
Cheers,
Daniel.
Definition:
Unbuntu (v): switch to Debian.
[You must have heard the quip: Ubuntu is an African word meaning "I'm
too stupid to install $DISTRO" ... where DISTRO is
Slackware/Debian/Gentoo/<insert your distro of choice here>"?]
Cheers,
Daniel.
> On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:48:32 -0500, Harold Stevens wrote:
>
>> Apologies for following up myself...
>>
>>> Order Unbuntu
>> ________^Ubuntu
>
> He won't get *Ubuntu* disks from the website you gave...
>
> Better correct yourself (again).
Is Unbuntu like the Uncyclopedia?
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of the nation. (David Sarnoff, CEO of RCA, 1939; in Stoll 1995)
> On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:40:34 +0000 (UTC), Mike Dee wrote:
>
>> Rom <-...@-.invalid> wrote:
> [...]
>>> I've generally found the newer (beta) pan to run better on
>>> Windows than the old (stable) pan.
>>
>> Thats odd, I found the opposite to be true (for me), but I have
>> given up on beta Pan releases, until I hear some glowing reports
>> emerge.
>
> It's been a while since I tried either, but one thing I recall was
> the old pan didn't remember window position/size on opening - try
> a double task bar in Win2k and newer, so some behaviours aren't
> the same or have been improved in the new pan. Gtk had an issue
> with highlighted menu items on Vista, and don't know if there are
> newer releases now. Apart from the usual missing features
> mentioned here, I also missed the folders from the old pan (if the
> new pan has 'em I didn't find 'em). The beta pan has
> different/better multiple server capability but without the
> flexibility I'd want. I used to not want the messages to be stored
> individually - even Windows Mail (WM) does that now, but otoh,
> that can have benefits when have good search capabilities in
> Windows (Vista), and I'm used to (some) storing and offline
> clients.
I have to admit that I haven't set up Pan on a Windows box in sometime
either. These days I tend to use it from a native Linux install or via
an X-server to a Linux box.
Stable Pan worked well for me on Win98se and Win2k, I haven't run it
under newer MS-OSs, so how it would perform under XP or newer I
wouldn't know and there very well could be the issues that you've
described.
I have tried various incantations of beta Pan including what gets
installed by default now in many newer Linux distros... I still don't
like what I see... and use stable Pan whenever I can in preference.
--
dee
That's just what I have done.
As an .ISO, I was expecting more than 700 MB. Used to DVDs, I guess.
>Make sure your hardware all works the way you want as it probably will.
A "test" browser launched from the CD on the laptop I used to D/L.
Then I booted from it on a chassis with no hard discs - just in case it
started an unsolicited install.
Ah! Nostalgia - Freecell :-)
>I would suggest Kubuntu (KDE desktop instead of Gnome) but that's
>comparing apples to oranges. I'm a KDE user from way back althoug I do use
>a few Gnome applications like Pan.
>
I was pleasantly surprised.
I was expecting something command-line based, not a GUI.
> In article <Xns9A7DA2D9...@maryann.blinkynet.net>, Blinky the
> Shark <no....@box.invalid> writes
>>
>>slrn does both *n*x and Windows.
>>
>
> Thanks.
> As soon as I have retrieved all data from a desktop PC running Windows
> Me, I'll try Linux.
> It's an AMD 800 MHz. over-clocked to 900 MHz.
> Should be OK?
> Many distros to choose from.
> Many new terms to learn :-(
> Hell, I was using command-line Zenix back in the '80's.
> Could smoke in the office then.
> Worked for Delta, Switzerland.
> Bench-marked in Groenigen, NL.
> Univac System 80 soak-testing in 1980 at the factory in Tennessee.
> Blah, blah, blah :-)
Just my 2% order "unbuntu" I did and then dled it overnight and got the
disk about 4 days later. I did the 7.04 install on a p2 running at
500mhz with 256m ram and it runs just fine. The only problem it has is
the emailer. The pop server got its spam filter turned off and the
emailer choked on 4356 emails. ;^0
T
> >> What about Pan 0.14.2.91 for Windoze?
> >
> > Pan is my primary *n*x client -- I don't remember if there's a win
> > port, but if there is, I'd recommend it. If Win doesn't break it.
>
> I used to use it in Windoze when I used to use Windoze as my primary
> OS. You need the GTK port for w32 and voila! Pan in Windoze.
I used it few years ago but the gtk port + Pan were very very slow
under Windows. Any improvements ?
Works pretty well for for me.
Top
--
Rode hard and put away wet too many times
Know what you mean, but I see nothing good enough so far.
Personally I'd like some better filtering, and the ability to have
different signature files for different accounts (and possibly
portablity)
Except it doesn't.
What are the differences between 40tude and Gravey?
What do you think is lacking in Dialog?
--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
One is a news client and one is for your potatoes.
--
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Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
Blinky: http://blinkynet.net
> In article <MPG.226a061ab...@news.virginmedia.com>,
> poolcov...@DELETEgmail.com says...
>> true, perhaps I'm just wanting a glitzier GUI with a couple of new bells
>> and whistles.
>
> Personally I'd like some better filtering, and the ability to have
What do you want to filter that it can't do?
I have been using Mesnews for a week or so. I am quite liking it.
--
mick
have a look at Mesnews, it does different sig files
--
mick
So does Xananews. In fact you can have unlimited rotating signatures
saved in one text file.
--
"The moral rot of political correctness runs deep today in both
national parties." ~ Patrick J. Buchanan
I've been using it for a few years. I occasionally cross to the dark
side, but so far I always come back.
Let it be said that I am not a power user - I hardly even use filters.
--
Gene E. Bloch (Gino) letters617blochg3251
(replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom")
I've just come to grips that I'm reconfiguring my usenet situation and have
a question for you. Are you on windows xp?
--
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and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most
awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love."
~~ Butch Hancock
Yes.
There are more knowledgable people here, though (and I'm running XP in
VMware, if that matters).
The only thing that bothers me a little is subject character encoding.
if it is of any use there is a group for Mesnews:
alt.usenet.offline-reader.mesnews
--
mick
Don't remember. But I remember returning to Gravity after testing
dialog.
So do many.
So then why did you post your "Except it doesn't" statement, if you
can't remember?
I upgraded from Gravity to Dialog several years ago, and would not go
back.
--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Vista
http://lightning.prohosting.com/~tbates/gravity/
I've used Gravity since the ancient Anawave days. It fits like an old
glove. I buy new gloves from time to time, and they look better, no
doubt about it. But I find myself wearing my old gloves most of the
time.
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Because I remember I returned because it didn't - as i said.