OT: Google has made searching the USENET archive difficult
John Doe
archive produced a list of most relevant groups? That was a good way to
determine which group was best to post a question to.
Finding information in the USENET archive has become more and more
difficult since Google took over.
On the Google Groups advanced search page, we can choose Google Groups,
but search results include mostly moderated, non-USENET groups.
Sometimes search results include a small fraction of the results the
same search includes at another time.
Uhg. This is a good example when a sale (of the USENET archive) should
not have gone to the highest bidder.
houghi
> Anybody else remember, a long time ago when searching the USENET
> archive produced a list of most relevant groups? That was a good way to
> determine which group was best to post a question to.
The USENET archive you talk about was dejanews.com
<snip>
> Uhg. This is a good example when a sale (of the USENET archive) should
> not have gone to the highest bidder.
I agree that Google raped everything that was good about DejaNews to
such a point that it has become unusable. They encourage replying in the
wrong way.
However DejaNews was not something that was owned by the public, so the
owner then could do with it how it pleased.
houghi
--
Dr. Walter Gibbs: Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs
will start thinking and the people will stop.
-- Tron (1982)
Jon Danniken
Google has been steadily and continually destroying the original
Deja-interface to usenet archives ever since they took over eight or nine
years ago.
It started with the page format, destroying the original flow of usenet in
favor of a jumbled mess. At various times after that, they have restricted
access to the archives themselves.
If they would have just thrown a couple of google ads up on the side of the
page, that would have been okay, but instead they have effectively destroyed
what was once a very valuable and useful tool for researching
peer-contributed information.
Shame on Google.
Jon
XS11E
> John Doe wrote:
>> Anybody else remember, a long time ago when searching the USENET
>> archive produced a list of most relevant groups? That was a good
>> way to determine which group was best to post a question to.
>
> The USENET archive you talk about was dejanews.com
I don't think that's what was meant, Google Groups was a fairly decent
successor to dejanews until they began "improving" it.
> I agree that Google raped everything that was good about DejaNews
> to such a point that it has become unusable. They encourage
> replying in the wrong way.
But we're talking about using GGs for searching, not using it as a
newsreader which it most certainly is NOT!
--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://improve-usenet.org
houghi
> houghi <hou...@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>> John Doe wrote:
>>> Anybody else remember, a long time ago when searching the USENET
>>> archive produced a list of most relevant groups? That was a good
>>> way to determine which group was best to post a question to.
>>
>> The USENET archive you talk about was dejanews.com
>
> I don't think that's what was meant, Google Groups was a fairly decent
> successor to dejanews until they began "improving" it.
Google news is not a successor of dejanews.com. What Google did was buy
dejanews,com. Each and every change it did was a step backwards.
>> I agree that Google raped everything that was good about DejaNews
>> to such a point that it has become unusable. They encourage
>> replying in the wrong way.
>
> But we're talking about using GGs for searching, not using it as a
> newsreader which it most certainly is NOT!
Searching has gone from bad to worse to such a point that it is
unusable. I used Dejanews for searching and I found what I needed. Now I
don't anymore.
All they needed to do was change the logo at dejanews. They wanted to do
so much more and broke it.
XS11E
> XS11E wrote:
>> I don't think that's what was meant, Google Groups was a fairly
>> decent successor to dejanews until they began "improving" it.
>
> Google news is not a successor of dejanews.com. What Google did
> was buy dejanews,com.
And thereby became the successor to dejanews.com by definition.
> Each and every change it did was a step backwards.
Seems that way, doesn't it?
Paul
One thing I consider kinda funny, is if I search using my email address,
then click my "profile", the 20000+ posts are shown broken down by year.
Yet, if I search for my own posts, now I'm getting only 179 hits from the
deja.com based search. And anything recently posted, forget finding it.
That makes it useless for reusing old posts, finding previous answers
and so on.
Pure crap.
I guess Google feels they can make more money, pointing people to the
Tomshardware fine collection of purchased web sites.
Paul
»Q«
houghi <hou...@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
> Searching has gone from bad to worse to such a point that it is
> unusable.
Does anybody have a way to search by MID at GG? Neither the "?selm="
nor the "?as_umsgid=" ways work for me anymore.
--
»Q«
Kleeneness is next to Gödelness.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
But, for some of my older posts, this syntax still works:
www.Google.COM/groups?selm=_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_May27.4.44am.g4
I tell people that Google Groups is the crappiest way to post,
but I've yet to convince someone.
Recently, in Sci.Physics, the top ten useNet servers were:
1. 1,970 212 Google Groups; 1,970 posts from 212 “nyms”(people)
2. 180 19 Highwinds-Media.COM; reSold by Cox, TeraNews, etc.
3. 177 17 SBC.COM
4. 152 18 Eternal-September.ORG; the cost-free, ad-free server
5. 212 29 gigaNews.COM; 3 dollars per month and up
6. 106 13 gniLink.NET
7. 67 4 bigPond.NET.AU
8. 35 4 ATT.NET
9. 61 6 easyNews.COM
10. 60 2 WebTV.NET; like Google, low-tech access to useNet
Top ten useNet clients:
1. 1,970 212 Google Groups
2. 582 65 Outlook ( Windows Live Mail is better )
3. 386 37 ThunderBird
4. 260 36 Forté Agent, all versions
5. 132 10 Pan
6. 134 9 Mozilla, like ThunderBird
7. 60 2 WebTV
8. 114 19 winMail ( Windows Live Mail is better )
9. 38 3 tin
10. 12 2 operaMail, like ThunderBird
Top ten nyms:
1. 10/ Paul•Draper, averages about 10 posts per day.
2. 10/ mpc755<mpc...@gmail.com
3. 8/ Sam•Wormley<swor...@mchsi.com
4. 5/ Tom•Potter
5. 4/ hw@..Henry•Wilson•DSc
6. 3/ treBert•
7. 6/ Yousuf•Khan
8. 5/ Martian•
9. 2/ NoEinstein<noein...@bellsouth.net
10. 1/ N:dlzc•D:aol•T:com•dlzc<dl...@cox.net
Whiskers
> In <news:slrnh3a8ne...@penne.houghi>,
> houghi <hou...@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Searching has gone from bad to worse to such a point that it is
>> unusable.
>
> Does anybody have a way to search by MID at GG? Neither the "?selm="
> nor the "?as_umsgid=" ways work for me anymore.
Hmmm ... nor for me!
<http://al.howardknight.net/> still seems to work though. The direct
search is <http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%s> where
%s is the MID - /including/ the <>.
--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~
Benj
> It's been weeks since Google last indexed one of my posts.
> But, for some of my older posts, this syntax still works:
> www.Google.COM/groups?selm=_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_May27.4.44am.g4
>
> I tell people that Google Groups is the crappiest way to post,
> but I've yet to convince someone.
Well maybe that's because you are dead wrong! Hey, I've used Teranews
with Thunderbird or Mozilla. Except for the fact that a great many
posts are a day or two late compared to Google and about 50% of the
posts shown in google never show up at all, and the fact that there
hasn't been a decent convenient client since tin, which includes that
they are especially bad in the way you end up using only a small
corner of the screen to read the posts and they don't track threads
well. As usual Bill Gates set the standard (LOW) and everybody else
abandons things that work to be like Bill. Feh.
So Yeah, Google sucks (just try to follow a thread when it gets into
high nubmers), but the truth is that currently everything else sucks
more. So convince me.
Mike Easter
>> I tell people that Google Groups is the crappiest way to post,
>> but I've yet to convince someone.
>
> Well maybe that's because you are dead wrong!
GG is a bad way to read usenet and GG is a bad way to post to usenet.
It is a bad way to read because you have no filtration of spam, hipcrime,
or trolls; no sorting or other ordering, tagging, flagging -- you only
have the awkward GG interface.
It is a bad way to post because you have no convenient way to save your
posted messages and because as a GG poster you are very vulnerable to
being filtered by those in the majority who have the ability to filter
and who are likely to filter GGers because GG is as above, the source of
spam and anonymized trolls.
It is also a bad way to post if you don't like to have your connectivity
IP connected to your posts or a non-invalid email address.
> Hey, I've used Teranews
> with Thunderbird or Mozilla.
That use of a newsserver and newsagent could have been a modicum of
progress, but you should have picked your newsserver better.
> Except for the fact that a great many
> posts are a day or two late compared to Google
Poor newsserver performance is a significant problem. Next time don't
use teranews. Teranews has only a few positives; it only costs a few
dollars for a lifetime and it allows a modest amount of binary
downloading. It should not be used for posting to usenet because it is
generally poorly administered. You could spend a few dollars or no
dollars on much better choices of newsservers.
> and about 50% of the
> posts shown in google never show up at all,
A great many of the posts which show up on google need to be filtered out
for being spam or for other reasons.
> and the fact that there
> hasn't been a decent convenient client since tin,
What you might consider to be a decent convenient client is a personal
decision. Altho' it is also a personal decision to think that GG is a
good interface, there won't be many to agree with you.
> which includes that
> they are especially bad in the way you end up using only a small
> corner of the screen to read the posts and they don't track threads
> well.
There are plenty of newsreaders which allow you to configure in ways that
should suit you about how the layout is arranged and how the threads are
sorted and displayed. If you only know about tin and Tbird and Moz or
its offspring, you should keep looking around.
> So Yeah, Google sucks (just try to follow a thread when it gets into
> high nubmers), but the truth is that currently everything else sucks
> more. So convince me.
You mean convince you to find a newsreader that suits you and a
newsserver that isn't poorly admin/ed?
The best admin/ed newsserver I know for text is individual, but it costs
10 euros a y. I would use motz/eternalsep if I wanted a free one. If I
wanted some binaries, I would get one of the cheap nonexpiring blocks. I
wouldn't recommend spending $4 or whatever it is on teranews for
anything.
--
Mike Easter
Mike Easter
> Q
>> Does anybody have a way to search by MID at GG? Neither the "?selm="
>> nor the "?as_umsgid=" ways work for me anymore.
>
> Hmmm ... nor for me!
>
> <http://al.howardknight.net/> still seems to work though. The direct
> search is <http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%s>
> where %s is the MID - /including/ the <>.
If all I have is a mid, I find the message at HK's and then I derive some
search strategy so that I can use GG advanced so that I can get the
thread -- since searching GG mid doesn't work anymore whether using the
terms above nor the mid window part of the interface in gg search
advanced.
--
Mike Easter
houghi
>>> I don't think that's what was meant, Google Groups was a fairly
>>> decent successor to dejanews until they began "improving" it.
>>
>> Google news is not a successor of dejanews.com. What Google did
>> was buy dejanews,com.
>
> And thereby became the successor to dejanews.com by definition.
I have apparently a bit different definition of succesor. To me a
successor is if there would have been a moment when the two existed at
the same time.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
it sucked so bad I stopped using it the same day.
Today, I think it works much Much better.
After all, it's just Highwinds-Media.COM rePackaged,
the same server Cox, Prodigy, etc. reSell.
In fact, I think I'll start using TeraNews more often, to test it.
――――――――――――――――
As for newsReaders, Benj could try 40tude Dialog,
“Windows Live Mail” and XanaNews.
unLike Windows Live Mail,
XanaNews won't downLoad an article via a Message-ID.
In a shortcut or a DOS console,
liveMail downloads an article via a Message-ID this way:
"C:/Program Files/Windows Live/Mail/wlMail.EXE" /newsurl:news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_May27.4.44am.g4
Also, Windows Live Mail downLoads and displays the article
when I put this in FireFox's URL-bar:
“ news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_May27.4.44am.g4 ”.
Because installing ThunderBird breaks this feature,
I have this in my “ www.JeffRelf.F-M.FM/_Crap_.REG ” file:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
; run: “ ftype | find /i "news" ”.
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Thunderbird.Url.news\shell\open\command]
@="\"C:\\Program Files\\Windows Live\\Mail\\wlMail.EXE\" /newsurl:\"%1\""
; @="\"C:\\XanaNews\\NewsReader3.EXE\" %1"
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\news\shell\open\command]
@="\"C:\\Program Files\\Windows Live\\Mail\\wlMail.EXE\" /newsurl:\"%1\""
――――――――――――――――
“Windows Live Mail” is the latest version of
what was once called “Outlook” or “Windows Mail”. Download it at:
www.downLoad.Live.COM/wlMail
In a shortcut or a DOS console,
passing “ /newsonly ”, opens liveMail in “NewsGroups-Only” mode;
like this:
"C:/Program Files/Windows Live/Mail/wlMail.EXE" /newsonly
XS11E
> To me a successor is if there would have been a moment when the
> two existed at the same time.
No, that's incorrect.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/successor
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/successor
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/successor?view=uk
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/successor
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/results.asp?dict=B&searchword=success
or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Successor
Etc. etc. etc......
Stan Brown
<hou...@houghi.org.invalid>:
> I have apparently a bit different definition of succesor. To me a
> successor is if there would have been a moment when the two existed at
> the same time.
" 'When *I* use a word', said Humpty Dumpty, 'it means what I choose
it to mean, neither more nor less.' "
To the rest of us, a "successor" means one that steps into the place
of another.
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...
Yousuf Khan
> It's been weeks since Google last indexed one of my posts.
> But, for some of my older posts, this syntax still works:
> www.Google.COM/groups?selm=_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_May27.4.44am.g4
I've notice the same thing about Google Groups, it's not updating the
indexes properly. I even posted to Google's own internal help forums.
Is Something Broken | Google Groups
http://groups.google.com/group/Is-Something-Broken/tree/browse_frm/thread/20f7bdeb0ca45714/370e69531cca6953%3Fq%3Dauthor:bbb...@yahoo.com%2BOR%2Bauthor:yjk...@gmail.com?_done=%2Fgroup%2FIs-Something-Broken%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F20f7bdeb0ca45714%2F370e69531cca6953%253Fq%253Dauthor%3Abbbl67%40yahoo.com%252BOR%252Bauthor%3Ayjkhan%40gmail.com%3F&
or,
http://tinyurl.com/ms35bd
But so far no response from Google itself, though I have gotten some
wise-ass responses from other frustrated users.
Yousuf Khan
MartinS
> Poor newsserver performance is a significant problem. Next time don't
> use teranews. Teranews has only a few positives; it only costs a few
> dollars for a lifetime and it allows a modest amount of binary
> downloading. It should not be used for posting to usenet because it is
> generally poorly administered.
That used to be the case, and I used to advise against posting through
tera. However, things have changed and I now use tera as my posting
server. My posts appear on my ISP's server within seconds - which is not a
surprise as both outsource to Highwinds.
--
Martin S.
hummingbird
'�Q�' wrote thus:
>Does anybody have a way to search by MID at GG? Neither the "?selm="
>nor the "?as_umsgid=" ways work for me anymore.
Here, but it is often useless (scroll down):
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search
»Q«
Mike Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote:
I do that too, occasionally. But I need to be able to easily generate
a list of Google URLs for posts, starting with a mbox file. Hunting
down dozens of Google URLs one by one is a PiTA.
Peter
jondanS...@yaSPAMhoo.com says...
Yep, used to use it frequently. It was a fantastic resource of
information. Even had it as my mainpage at one time. Not any more. A
complete waste.
--
Pete Ives
Remove All_stRESS before sending me an email
houghi
> houghi <hou...@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>> To me a successor is if there would have been a moment when the
>> two existed at the same time.
>
> No, that's incorrect.
I clearly said : "To me".
houghi
--
You are about to enter another dimension, a dimension not only of
sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land of
imagination. Next stop, Usenet!
houghi
> Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:13:09 +0200 from houghi
> <hou...@houghi.org.invalid>:
>> I have apparently a bit different definition of succesor. To me a
>> successor is if there would have been a moment when the two existed at
>> the same time.
>
> " 'When *I* use a word', said Humpty Dumpty, 'it means what I choose
> it to mean, neither more nor less.' "
>
> To the rest of us, a "successor" means one that steps into the place
> of another.
>
Duely noted.
jmfbahciv
Well, use tin. Why use web software? Using web software is why it
sucks.
/BAH
Mike Yetto
> Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:13:09 +0200 from houghi
><hou...@houghi.org.invalid>:
>> I have apparently a bit different definition of succesor. To me a
>> successor is if there would have been a moment when the two existed at
>> the same time.
>
> " 'When *I* use a word', said Humpty Dumpty, 'it means what I choose
> it to mean, neither more nor less.' "
>
Exactly.
"Twas Brillig and the Slithey Toves
Did gyre and gimbol in the Wabe"
And as we know, the wabe is the tall grass surrounding a sundial.
Mike "Where dancing occurs at 4:00pm" Yetto
--
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitas.
- William of Ockham
Lenny_Nero
> Searching has gone from bad to worse to such a point that it is
> unusable. I used Dejanews for searching and I found what I needed. Now I
> don't anymore.
>
> All they needed to do was change the logo at dejanews. They wanted to do
> so much more and broke it.
So true, I used Deja often for searching (many times a day) and I cant
remember a time when I had to re-do a search more than once or twice, and
most often that was because of my search string, not the results. I cant
remember the last time I did a google groups search.
If they had just changed the logo I very much doubt that we would
have/need the UIP and the filtering of so many post from goog groups.
L_N
--
Imagine if there were no hypothetical situations...
Whiskers
The back-catalogue and ready-made hierarchy and readership was too much
temptation; they couldn't resist using it as the seed for their own
proprietary web forums with the prolonged stay at web-pages full of
adverts that web forums facilitate. Money talks.
Google bowled a googly at usenet.
<http://members.tripod.com/~sccwa/cktlist.html#EtoH>
XS11E
> XS11E wrote:
>> houghi <hou...@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> To me a successor is if there would have been a moment when the two
>>> existed at the same time.
>>
>> No, that's incorrect.
>
> I clearly said : "To me".
Makes no difference, it's still incorrect.
If I say, "To me, the earth is flat." the earth is still a spheroid.
You can have incorrect opinions just like you can have incorrect facts.
houghi
>>> No, that's incorrect.
>>
>> I clearly said : "To me".
>
> Makes no difference, it's still incorrect.
Yep.
> If I say, "To me, the earth is flat." the earth is still a spheroid.
The earth is both round and flat. Just like a pizza. ;-)
Mike Easter
> the earth is still a spheroid.
Not *IS* (still) .... *Nearly* a spheroid, oblate type.
It /would/ be an oblate spheroid if the equator were a circle, which it
isn't quite/really.
So, just like the earth isn't *really* a ball/sphere but (sortof) an
oblate spheroid, it also isn't really (perfectly) an oblate spheroid, but
some kind of geoid or another.
--
Mike Easter
Benj
> GG is a bad way to read usenet and GG is a bad way to post to usenet.
>
> It is a bad way to read because you have no filtration of spam, hipcrime,
> or trolls; no sorting or other ordering, tagging, flagging -- you only
> have the awkward GG interface.
Actually you CAN add filtration to Google. I don't have it right now
but I used to have it installed. The fact that I haven't bothered to
put it back shows it's not a serious issue. I don't melt if I see a
bunch of spam or trolls posting. Hey it's what makes usenet
entertaining!
> It is a bad way to post because you have no convenient way to save your
> posted messages and because as a GG poster you are very vulnerable to
> being filtered by those in the majority who have the ability to filter
> and who are likely to filter GGers because GG is as above, the source of
> spam and anonymized trolls.
Yeah, I do get filtered. But in my case that is a GOOD thing not a bad
thing! But I also noticed that some of those who say they are
filtering all GG posts somehow still seem to respond when I make a
comment or two.
> It is also a bad way to post if you don't like to have your connectivity
> IP connected to your posts or a non-invalid email address.
Nope is connected to an invalid email address. You don't think I'd
want open season on SPAM in my real email account do you? It's bad
enough as it is for a number of reasons.
> > Hey, I've used Teranews
> > with Thunderbird or Mozilla.
>
> That use of a newsserver and newsagent could have been a modicum of
> progress, but you should have picked your newsserver better.
Oh here we go. People are always asking all over the net about what
to do when your newsserver quits? And the answer (among others) is
always Oh go to Teranews! It's WONDERFUL! Well it seems this advice
is worth just what I paid for it. Apparently actually trying something
before shooting off your mouth is NOT the standard on internet.
> > Except for the fact that a great many
> > posts are a day or two late compared to Google
>
> Poor newsserver performance is a significant problem. Next time don't
> use teranews. Teranews has only a few positives; it only costs a few
> dollars for a lifetime and it allows a modest amount of binary
> downloading. It should not be used for posting to usenet because it is
> generally poorly administered. You could spend a few dollars or no
> dollars on much better choices of newsservers.
And while I do still have a Teranews account I haven't used it for
years. And Astraweb which I switched to was better but still not good
enough to get me to switch from googlegroups. Oh. Thanks for the
recommendation and list of great servers! How many do you expect me
to buy and try before I find one that works? Thanks for being so free
with my money. I haven't had a decent news server (outside of Google)
that supplies nearly all groups and does so timely and without missing
posts since my ISP shut down their newsserver. Is it really that hard
to have a newsserver that actually works?
> > and about 50% of the
> > posts shown in google never show up at all,
>
> A great many of the posts which show up on google need to be filtered out
> for being spam or for other reasons.
So let's hear it for teranews! They filter LOTS of posts. (including
some of mine...but I'm sure they NEED to be filtered.)
Hey, I want a server to provide me with all it sees. If it needs
filtering I'll do it. OK?
> > and the fact that there
> > hasn't been a decent convenient client since tin,
>
> What you might consider to be a decent convenient client is a personal
> decision. Altho' it is also a personal decision to think that GG is a
> good interface, there won't be many to agree with you.
I didn't say it was "good" I said it was better than the crap offered
out there based on Outlook and half-baked news servers. And I don't
give a damn if I lose the election. You may enjoy whips and chains,
but I don't.
> > which includes that
> > they are especially bad in the way you end up using only a small
> > corner of the screen to read the posts and they don't track threads
> > well.
>
> There are plenty of newsreaders which allow you to configure in ways that
> should suit you about how the layout is arranged and how the threads are
> sorted and displayed. If you only know about tin and Tbird and Moz or
> its offspring, you should keep looking around.
Sure. You and Bill Gates think that my time is worth nothing. You can
make me spend hours and hours doing simple tasks that should have been
taken care of in the first place. IF you are so knowledgeable, then
you should have no problem telling me just which server provides all
the timely posts I'll ever want to read. I mean you are so smart that
all you need to do is just tell me which one YOU use, right? [I'm
betting you use something that nobody else can have access to]
> > So Yeah, Google sucks (just try to follow a thread when it gets into
> > high nubmers), but the truth is that currently everything else sucks
> > more. So convince me.
>
> You mean convince you to find a newsreader that suits you and a
> newsserver that isn't poorly admin/ed?
I mean convince you to give some advice that isn't just whining and
acting superior.
> The best admin/ed newsserver I know for text is individual, but it costs
> 10 euros a y. I would use motz/eternalsep if I wanted a free one. If I
> wanted some binaries, I would get one of the cheap nonexpiring blocks. I
> wouldn't recommend spending $4 or whatever it is on teranews for
> anything.
Actually, the posts here were the first time I ever heard of
"individual" which you are too lazy to even give a real listing for.
Why are you so arrogant that you just refer to it by a code name that
everybody is supposed to know what it means like you do? And Oh,
thanks for the warning about Teranews and the $4! I had NO idea it
was bad! You sure set me straight! Nerd.
Luckily, in another post someone did give some real advice that
contained actual information with regard to servers and readers that
actually might tend toward convenient. The fact that our exchange
provoked that response means your post wasn't entirely worthless.
Indi
> XS11E wrote:
>>>> No, that's incorrect.
>>>
>>> I clearly said : "To me".
>>
>> Makes no difference, it's still incorrect.
>
> Yep.
>
>> If I say, "To me, the earth is flat." the earth is still a spheroid.
>
> The earth is both round and flat. Just like a pizza. ;-)
>
And it's turtles all the way down!
--
indi
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
www.Google.COM/search?q="Jeff_Relf"|"Jeff-Relf"&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d7
www.Google.COM/groups?q="Jeff_Relf"|"Jeff-Relf"&sitesearch=google.com&scoring=d
The first way shows the last 7 days.
The second way used to work but, now, it's weeks behind.
―――――――――――――――――――――
Search-Engine Plug-Ins for FireFox 3,
to look up stuff via its Search-bar.
This screenshot shows the “Search-Engines” I use:
www.JeffRelf.F-M.FM/SearchPlugins.PNG
To install one, run the following JavaScipt in the URL-bar,
JavaScipt must be enabled.
Search Google Groups, last 7 days:
javascript: window.external.AddSearchProvider( "http://JeffRelf.F-M.FM/G7.XML");
Search Google Groups, sorted by date
( June 15th 2009, it was weeks behind ):
javascript: window.external.AddSearchProvider( "http://JeffRelf.F-M.FM/GG.XML");
Find a Message-ID:
javascript: window.external.AddSearchProvider( "http://JeffRelf.F-M.FM/MessID.XML");
A “ Spell Check ” ( actually, Google's “ define: ” ):
javascript: window.external.AddSearchProvider( "http://JeffRelf.F-M.FM/Spell.XML");
Three different “ IP ” lookups:
javascript: window.external.AddSearchProvider( "http://JeffRelf.F-M.FM/IP_DnsStuff.XML");
javascript: window.external.AddSearchProvider( "http://JeffRelf.F-M.FM/IP_GeoBytes.XML");
javascript: window.external.AddSearchProvider( "http://JeffRelf.F-M.FM/IP_2Location.XML");
Search Google, last 99 days:
javascript: window.external.AddSearchProvider( "http://JeffRelf.F-M.FM/rG.XML");
[ Change “ d99 ” if you want more or less days. ]
Google News, sorted by date:
javascript: window.external.AddSearchProvider( "http://JeffRelf.F-M.FM/nG.XML");
Google, plain vanilla:
javascript: window.external.AddSearchProvider( "http://JeffRelf.F-M.FM/G.XML");
WikiPedia, via Google:
javascript: window.external.AddSearchProvider( "http://JeffRelf.F-M.FM/Wiki.XML");
XS11E
> XS11E wrote:
>
>> the earth is still a spheroid.
>
> Not *IS* (still) .... *Nearly* a spheroid, oblate type.
Sorry, it *IS* a spheroid.
Note I didn't say it's a sphere, I said it's a spheroid which is
defined as "similar in shape to a sphere" which correctly, if not
precisely, describes the shape of the earth.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
and the gravitational field at the surface
measurably varies from place to place, even at sea level.
Androcles
"Benj" <bja...@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:5e9673ca-a60e-4dbd...@u9g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 14, 4:43 pm, "Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote:
> GG is a bad way to read usenet and GG is a bad way to post to usenet.
>
> It is a bad way to read because you have no filtration of spam, hipcrime,
> or trolls; no sorting or other ordering, tagging, flagging -- you only
> have the awkward GG interface.
Actually you CAN add filtration to Google. I don't have it right now
but I used to have it installed. The fact that I haven't bothered to
put it back shows it's not a serious issue. I don't melt if I see a
bunch of spam or trolls posting. Hey it's what makes usenet
entertaining!
===============================================
Strokes, folks, different.
What pisses me off is GG's dropping of normal indentation. It not only
affects me, but drunken Binge Jocaby actually responded to Ben Jacoby
with "Oh. Lookee here muffy! I already said that!"
Still, if Binge Jocaby wants to make a fucking idiot of Ben Jacoby and
call him muffy, Hey it's what makes usenet entertaining!
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
www.Google.COM/search?q=%22Peter-pete%22&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d7
I'm more indexed than you are:
www.Google.COM/search?q=%22Jeff_Relf%22|%22Jeff-Relf%22&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d7
Google.COM/search?q="Jeff_Relf"|"Jeff-Relf"&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d7
Google.COM/groups?q="Jeff_Relf"|"Jeff-Relf"&sitesearch=google.com&scoring=d
Likely, this is because
Google doesn't munge the "Jeff_Relf" in my eMail address:
_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
“Windows Live Mail” is the latest version of
what was once called “Outlook” or “Windows Mail”. Download it at:
www.downLoad.Live.COM/wlMail
Via a shortcut or a DOS console,
passing “ /newsonly ”, opens liveMail(or Outlook)
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
To quote a Google post correctly, update to “Windows Live Mail”.
Mike Easter
> "Mike Easter"
>> XS11E wrote:
>>
>>> the earth is still a spheroid.
>>
>> Not *IS* (still) .... *Nearly* a spheroid, oblate type.
>
> Sorry, it *IS* a spheroid.
No, in real life, as the earth turns, it is not a spheroid which would
require roundness at the equator. However, you are sorta correct,
arbitrarily and in a sense, see below.
> Note I didn't say it's a sphere,
A sphere would require that it were 'round' - all around - which it is
definitely not.
> I said it's a spheroid which is
> defined as "similar in shape to a sphere" which correctly, if not
> precisely, describes the shape of the earth.
Technically, mathematically, spheroid is much more precise than 'similar
to a sphere'. Spheroid in that context might be coming from a Latin
teacher, which is a dead language. Spheroid is a mathematical and
geometrical term.
Technically, a (proper) spheroid is 'round' (say, from the top) and
either squashed down, which the earth is, and called oblate, or
'elongated' sorta like a fat cigar, and (would be) called a prolate
spheroid.
But the problem is, in the earth's case, since it is so much ocean, being
a water planet, it doesn't stay round at the equator because of various
forces.
However, to help your 'similar in shape' argument, there are arbitrary
models of the earth in which the deformities are 'averaged out' so that
we can draw geodesic maps. Those maps are based on the hypothetical
shape of the earth, which 'would be' a spheroid if the earth were really
shaped like that. Which it actually isn't. Some of those same models
assume that the moon orbits the earth, when in reality both the moon and
the earth orbit their barycenter.
--
Mike Easter
XS11E
> XS11E wrote:
>> I said it's a spheroid which is defined as "similar in shape to a
>> sphere" which correctly, if not precisely, describes the shape of
>> the earth.
>
> Technically, mathematically, spheroid is much more precise than
> 'similar to a sphere'.
Technically this isn't a mathematics group and the dictionary
definition prevails for most people.
Webster says:
Main Entry:spher�oid
Pronunciation:\'sfir-?o?id, 'sfer-\
Function:noun
Date:1570
: a figure resembling a sphere ; also : an object of approximately
spherical shape
A spheroid is somewhat related to a hemorrhoid although spheroids don't
hurt as much.......
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
“ Seven years ago, I paid 3 dollars for TeraNews;
it sucked so bad I stopped using it the same day.
Today, I think it works much Much better.
After all, it's just Highwinds-Media.COM rePackaged,
the same server Cox, Prodigy, etc. reSell.
In fact, I think I'll start using TeraNews more often, to test it. ”.
Well, that was a short test, I'm back to posting via Glorb,
“ www.Glorb.COM/usenet.php ”.
Twice, a one minute timeout occured after I sent my post to TeraNews.
It's been hours now, yet the posts might showup in the next day or so.
unCertain posting(did it make it?) piss me off more than anything else.
I only use newsServers that tell me quickly if the post made it or not.
Apparently, when I try to post, it crashes TeraNews' filtering system.
houghi
> Technically, a (proper) spheroid is 'round' (say, from the top) and
> either squashed down, which the earth is,
See, the earth is round and flat, just like a pizza. :-D
houghi
--
> Beware of he who would deny you access to information, <
> for in his heart he dreams himself your master. <
> Commissioner Pravin Lal: "U.N. Declaration of Rights" <
Peter
_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid says...
> ?This finds some of your recent posts:
Not sure of the point you're trying to make. If you search on my name
in Author you get plenty of posts.
Mike Easter
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> Technically, a (proper) spheroid is 'round' (say, from the top) and
>> either squashed down, which the earth is,
> <Not so random snip>
>
> See, the earth is round and flat, just like a pizza. :-D
... and irregular on its surface and spins around during part of its
lifetime and will burn up if/when the heatsource gets too hot and if hit
with sufficient force a piece will fly off.
--
Mike Easter
geoff
> Deja-interface to usenet archives ever since they took over eight or nine
> years ago.
I agree and when they first started to make the change they had a 'tell us
what you think' link. I told them that they are idiots but it seems that
management changed and the 'new management' is going to make 'improvements'.
That is why nothing is forever, new management comes in and needs to leave
their mark by fixing things that were never broken.
. . . but I think this pales compared to what will happen in 2010 and beyond
when digital technology will give providers much finer grain of control
whether it be on our computers, or TV, phones/cells, etc. and after we are
more controlled, we can all tell each other how great it is.
--g
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
www.Google.COM/search?q=%22Peter-pete%22&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d2
You told me:
“ Not sure of the point you're trying to make.
If you search on my name in Author you get plenty of posts. ”.
Yes, but May 25th ― weeks ago ― is the most recent post shown.
While Google Groups stopped indexing weeks ago,
Google-proper keeps up-to-date indexes on a select set of newsGroups.
The link above shows your Comp.Lang.PHP post, but nothing more.
Google lacks an up-to-date index for News.Software.Readers,
Alt.Comp.Hardware.PC-Homebuilt, Alt.Astronomy, etc.
John Doe
Just curious.
_ Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid wrote:
> _ Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid
>
> Path: news.astraweb.com!border2.newsrouter.astraweb.com!news-out.octanews.net!indigo.octanews.net!news.glorb.com!news-spur2.glorb.com!homer.glorb.com!not-for-mail
> From: _ Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid
> Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,news.software.readers
> Subject: ���Peter-Pete's recent posts.
> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:07:13 +0000 (UTC)
> Organization: Glorb Internet Services, http://www.glorb.com
> Lines: 11
> Message-ID: <_ Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Jun15.3.07pm.OO>
> References: <00155b4d$0$6125$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <79kgqhF1rckkeU1 mid.individual.net> <MPG.24a00f7d2bb90d6f989934 news.virginmedia.com>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: tx8l6LLSFv7tTUJ404sOEA.user.posting2.glorb.com
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> X-Complaints-To: abuse glorb.com
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:07:13 +0000 (UTC)
> X-Notice: Scanned by Mr. Bill
> User-Agent: JeffRelf.F-M.FM/X.ZIP
>
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
― 4 cm per year. Likewise, as the sun spins, its tidal bulge
whacks the earth-moon system farther away ― 15 cm per year.
www.skyAndTelescope.COM/community/skyblog/newsblog/46618862.html
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Jun16.9.32am.BD
――――――――――――――――
Speaking of “weirdness”, why do you use xNews ?
your standards are so low, you use a newsReader that:
A. Can't read or write UTF-8.
B. Doesn't have easy access to the parent post;
i.e. it won't downLoad the parent post via a click.
C. Won't sort posts from most-watched to least-watched,
grouped by “nym”(person). Doesn't know which are “Most Watched”.
D. Can't “muffle” nyms; i.e. can't limit a nym to 5 unRead posts,
automatically marking its older posts “wasRead”.
E. Can't limit “wasRead” posts to a nyms' 30 most-recent.
For easy access to the parent post and older ancestors,
xNews should give you easy access to this information:
[ Oldest ancestor first ]
John Doe news:00155b4d$0$6125$c3e...@news.astraweb.com
Jon Danniken news:79kgqhF...@mid.individual.net
Peter news:MPG.24a00f7d2...@news.virginmedia.com
Jeff Relf news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Jun15.3.07pm.OO
John Doe news:007d70c2$0$24258$c3e...@news.astraweb.com
Alt.Comp.Hardware.PC-Homebuilt, News.Software.Readers
Xnews Astraweb.COM, June 16, 2009, 9.49 a.m.
Re: Peter-Pete's recent posts.
Harry Harris
news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Jun15.10.03pm.cR...
It's been working very reliably for me for the past several months. Can't
remember the last time I posted something and it didn't show up posted in
less than a minute. Before that, though, it was very spotty.
Harry Harris
John Doe
Everything about your posts reeks of weirdness, Jeff. Most of your
weirdness has nothing to do with the way Xnews interprets your
posts. If you are trying to be a spokesman for USENET (instead of
just a freakish troll), Jeff, please stop trying.
_ Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid wrote:
> Here, I explained which newsGroups have up-to-date indexes:
> news:_ Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Jun16.9.32am.BD
>
> Speaking of "weirdness", why do you use xNews ?
> your standards are so low, you use a newsReader that:
>
> A. Can't read or write UTF-8.
>
> B. Doesn't have easy access to the parent post;
> i.e. it won't downLoad the parent post via a click.
>
> C. Won't sort posts from most-watched to least-watched,
> grouped by � onym� (person). Doesn't know which are � oMost Watched� .
>
> D. Can't � omuffle� nyms; i.e. can't limit a nym to 5 unRead posts,
> automatically marking its older posts � owasRead� .
>
> E. Can't limit � owasRead� posts to a nyms' 30 most-recent.
>
> For easy access to the parent post and older ancestors,
> xNews should give you easy access to this information:
> [ Oldest ancestor first ]
> John Doe news:00155b4d$0$6125$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com
> Jon Danniken news:79kgqhF1rckkeU1 mid.individual.net
> Peter news:MPG.24a00f7d2bb90d6f989934 news.virginmedia.com
> Jeff Relf news:_ Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Jun15.3.07pm.OO
> John Doe news:007d70c2$0$24258$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com
> Alt.Comp.Hardware.PC-Homebuilt, News.Software.Readers
> Xnews Astraweb.COM, June 16, 2009, 9.49 a.m.
> Re: Peter-Pete's recent posts.
>
>
> Path: news.astraweb.com!border2.newsrouter.astraweb.com!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!news-spur2.glorb.com!homer.glorb.com!not-for-mail
> From: _ Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid
> Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,news.software.readers
> Subject: ���xNews won't downLoad the parent post via a click.
> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:25:46 +0000 (UTC)
> Organization: Glorb Internet Services, http://www.glorb.com
> Lines: 30
> Message-ID: <_ Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Jun16.10.25am.B7>
> References: <00155b4d$0$6125$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <79kgqhF1rckkeU1 mid.individual.net> <MPG.24a00f7d2bb90d6f989934 news.virginmedia.com> <_ Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Jun15.3.07pm.OO> <007d70c2$0$24258$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 0cFGPNbevig92BTvebSlsw.user.posting2.glorb.com
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> X-Complaints-To: abuse glorb.com
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:25:46 +0000 (UTC)
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
I'm as happy as a clam at high-tide; you could be too,
but you'll have to use a better newsReader, xNews doesn't cut it.
John Doe
_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid wrote:
I did not come at you, Jeff, and I did not come whining. I am
willing to pay for read-only USENET archive service. Such a service,
maybe nonprofit, would probably be inexpensive to run. Hopefully
some entrepreneur will get the idea, maybe fresh or maybe taken from
a different USENET archive.
Finding out whether anything like that already exists was part of my
reason for posting. I will do that periodically, even though everyone
on USENET probably would be notified if it were to happen.
--
Google has destroyed access to the USENET archive... down with Google
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
my webSite( www.JeffRelf.F-M.FM ) indicates where my latest posts are:
Google.COM/search?q="Jeff_Relf"|"Jeff-Relf"&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d7
Google.COM/groups?q="Jeff_Relf"|"Jeff-Relf"&sitesearch=google.com&scoring=d
I don't want it restricted to paid-up customers.
Yes, I know the latest problems at Google...
Here, I mentioned some newsGroups which, over the last 2 days,
have(or have-not) been indexed by Google:
news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Jun16.9.32am.BD
But what's the alternative ?
Google is selling ads, and it does it better than anyone else.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
www.JeffRelf.F-M.FM/X.TXT
www.JeffRelf.F-M.FM/X.EXE
www.JeffRelf.F-M.FM/X.CPP
www.JeffRelf.F-M.FM/Visual_Studio_Macros.TXT
X.TXT is the settings file; it has C++-style //comments.
X.EXE is the newsReader. X.CPP is the source code, Visual C++ 9.
―――――――――――――――――――――――――
I've posted via 6 Usenet servers lately, to test them;
none of them have problems with my message-IDs.
“ Does it work ? ”, is the acid test, the only one that matters.
RFC-1036 is dated 1987. See:
www.Tools.ietf.ORG/html/rfc1036
USEFOR is moronic ( because “encoded words” are a “MUST” );
hence, it can't become an RFC, not after decades of trying. See:
www.Tools.ietf.ORG/html/draft-ietf-usefor-usefor-12
RFC-3977 Section “A.2.” says:
“ Every article handled by an NNTP server MUST have a unique
message-id. For the purposes of this specification, a message-id is
an Arbitrary opaque string that Merely needs to meet certain
syntactic requirements and is just a way to refer to the article. ”.
www.Tools.ietf.ORG/html/rfc3977
Full stop. That's what a Message-ID is, nothing more.
You(“Guy”) told me(Relf):
“ the domain-part is to be a FQDN or a domain-literal. ”.
Not even USEFOR-12 says that; instead, it says:
“ When generating a <msg-id>, implementations
SHOULD use a domain name as the <id-right>. ”.
A “ SHOULD ” is not a “ MUST ” and USEFOR-12 is Wrong, in my opinion.
RFC-2822, Section “3.6.4.” is wrong here:
“ This message identifier is intended to be
machine readable and not necessarily meaningful to humans. ”
www.Tools.ietf.ORG/html/rfc2822
Message-ID's should be “meaningful to humans”, and
they should be in UTF-8, full Unicode.
Speaking of the <id-left>, you told me:
“ The local-part is to be unique ”.
I don't see that; I see a “RECOMMENDED” in RFC-2822,
but I don't see a “MUST” or a “SHOULD”.
»Q«
_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid wrote:
> Doesn't have easy access to the parent post;
> i.e. it won't downLoad the parent post via a click.
Works for everybody else. What happens when you try it?
--
»Q«
Kleeneness is next to Gödelness.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
I didn't see a way to downLoad an article via a message-ID.
UTF-8 doesn't display properly, of course.
It doesn't kill attribution lines nor does it “muffle” >quoted lines,
i.e. it doesn't limit >quoted lines to the last 5 nonBlank.
It doesn't recognize/kill many(10+) different sigs,
especially not ones from Google Groups users.
I doesn't come with its source code, so I can't modify it.
It can't track replies to a “Proxy”, as if it were the user himself.
It can't rename&combine known nymshifters.
It doesn't take a simple list of nyms to “watch”, in order.
It can't “xRank usenetPages”,
i.e. it can't PageRank a nym as if it were a webPage.
So it can't sort nyms from Most-Watched to Least-Watched.
It can't muffle nyms, i.e. it can't limit nyms to 5 unRead posts.
It can't limit nyms to 30 wasRead posts.
It doesn't put all posts into a single .TXT file,
for easy handling in a code editor(Visual Studio).
It can't quickSort using this per-post information:
A. The catagory the post is in, “ Top·0, Middle·1, Bottom·2 ”.
“Top” has replies to the user and/or his proxies,
“Bottom” has posts the user made... the rest are in “Middle”.
B. Information about the nym that made the post, to wit:
1. His count of unRead posts, “cnt·unReads”.
2. His “hardRank”, manually assigned by the user.
A higher number puts him higher in the “Most Watched” list.
3. His “i·xRank” (an int), based on who replied to him.
4. How long ago he last posted, “ageYoungest”.
( “ageOldest” is for reporting “posts per day”, not sorting )
C. How old the post is, “AgeDays” ( in days, a 32 bit float ).
D. A boolean, to know if the post was read or not, “wasRead”.
// Posts are to be listed from most-watched to least-watched,
// grouped by nym. Lower numbers ( e.g. larger negative numbers )
// come first, at the top of the list.
// “Case” is the post that's being scored;
// “Vs” is the post Case is being compared against.
int by·unReads ;
inline float Cmp( LsP Case, LsP Vs ) {
// There are 3 Catagories, “Cat”: “ Top·0, Middle·1, Bottom·2 ”.
if ( Case->Cat != Vs->Cat )
// “Case” goes up the list ( e.g. has a larger negative number )
// when “Vs” has a higher “Cat”.
return Case->Cat - Vs->Cat ;
NymT & caseNym = * Case->Nym, & vsNym = * Vs->Nym ;
if ( Case->Cat == Cat_Mid && & caseNym != & vsNym ) {
// Here, both Case and Vs are in Cat_Mid and
// they don't have the same nym.
if ( by·unReads && !vsNym.cnt·unReads != !caseNym.cnt·unReads )
// Case goes up the list when
// caseNym has unReads and vsNym doesn't.
return !caseNym.cnt·unReads - !vsNym.cnt·unReads ;
if ( caseNym.hardRank != vsNym.hardRank )
// Case goes up the list when caseNym has a higher “hardRank”.
return vsNym.hardRank - caseNym.hardRank ;
if ( vsNym.i·xRank != caseNym.i·xRank )
// Case goes up when caseNym has a higher “i·xRank”.
return caseNym.i·xRank - vsNym.i·xRank ;
// caseNym and vsNym have the same i·xRank.
// Case goes up the list when vsNym hasn't posted as recently.
// This groups posts by nym because
// no two nyms have the same i·xRank.
// ageYoungest is a float with a one second resolution.
return caseNym.ageYoungest - vsNym.ageYoungest ;
}
if ( Case->Cat == Cat_Bot )
// Case and Vs are in Cat_Bot,
// i.e. they're posts from the user ).
// Sort by oldest first,
// so the most recent post is at the very bottom.
// Case goes up when it's older.
return Vs->AgeDays - Case->AgeDays ;
// Case and Vs either “ have the same nym and are in Cat_Mid ”
// or they're both in Cat_Top, possibly with differnt nyms.
if ( Case->wasRead != Vs->wasRead )
// Here, both posts must be in Cat_Mid, with the same nym,
// because Cat_Top has no wasRead posts.
// Case goes up when it's unRead and Vs isn't.
return Case->wasRead - Vs->wasRead ;
// Sort by youngest first, Case goes up when Vs is older.
return Case->AgeDays - Vs->AgeDays ; }
// “Quick Sort” posts using “Cmp()”, above.
PostsByMostWatched( LsA _B, LsA _E ) { if ( _E <= _B ) return;
LsA BB = _B - 1, EE = _E + 1 ; LsP Std = _B [ ( _E - _B ) / 2 ] ;
LOOP {
while ( Cmp( * ++ BB , Std ) < 0. );
while ( EE >= BB && Cmp( * -- EE , Std ) > 0. );
if ( EE <= BB ) break; LsP T = * BB ; * BB = * EE ; * EE = T ; }
PostsByMostWatched( _B, EE < _E ? EE : -- EE );
PostsByMostWatched( EE + 1, _E ); }
John Doe
Anyone have a better example of someone who thinks he is home on
USENET, at the same time he makes posting look like rocket science?
John Doe
I doubt anyone would want to be around anything you feel comfortable
with, Jeff.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
“ <snip weird complaints about Xnews> ”.
Those things matter to me, obvously. I forgot to mention that
xNews can't switch Usenet servers on-the-fly.
I Left-click a newsGroup's icon to update it using my primary server;
right-clicking it updates the group using the secondary server.
I can do this because I get the article number of the “last download”
via Message-IDs in their original-article-number order.
I've yet to add a way to quickly specify one of 6+ servers,
which is handy when downloading a hard-to-find post via a Message-ID.
―――――――――――――――――――――――――
You concluded:
“ I doubt anyone would want to be around
anything you feel comfortable with, Jeff. ”.
Duh ! there's only one man on this planet who could use “X.ZIP”, me.
For one thing, most don't know a code-editor inside and out, like I do.
Even if they did, it likely wouldn't be Visual Studio 2008.
To you, what I do looks like “rocket science”(your words) but it's not;
I'm just speaking a different “language”, one “Guy” might understand.
sunnia
> Anybody else remember, a long time ago when searching the USENET
> archive produced a list of most relevant groups? That was a good way to
> determine which group was best to post a question to.
>
> Finding information in the USENET archive has become more and more
> difficult since Google took over.
>
> On the Google Groups advanced search page, we can choose Google Groups,
> but search results include mostly moderated, non-USENET groups.
>
> Sometimes search results include a small fraction of the results the
> same search includes at another time.
>
> Uhg. This is a good example when a sale (of the USENET archive) should
> not have gone to the highest bidder.
Earth’s Seven Layers
Quranic and Prophetic Miracle
Author: Abdul Daem Al-Kaheel
Translation: Nassim JamalEddin Dhaher
Revised by : Magdy Abd Al-Shafy
I hope you don’t mind receiving my letter. It is short but full
of information
When scientists started to probe the valleys of Earth and in order to
know its structure and constituents,
they found that tales and myths that dominated in the earlier
centuries have no scientific basis. After scientists discovered that
the earth is egg-shaped , they suggested that the core of this ball
has a nucleus, and its ****l is a very thin crust when compared to the
Earth’s size, and between these two layers, there is a third, known as
the mantle . this was the knowledge of the early scientists.
Development of Scientific Facts
The Three Layer -Theory did not last for so long due to recent
discoveries in Geology. Recent measurements and experiments showed
that the material comprising the nucleus of the Earth is under very
high pressure, three million times more than that on the surface of
the Earth.
Under such pressure, matter transforms into solid state, this in turn
makes Earth’s core very solid,This core is surrounded by a liquid
layer of very high temperature. This means that there are two layers
in Earth’s core and not one.Two layers; one solid in the center
surrounded by another liquid layer.
Thereafter measuring devices advanced and presented to scientists a
clear distinction among Earth’s inner layers. If we were to descend
under the earth’s crust we would find another layer of very hot
stones , which is the stone cover or wrap. After that come three other
distinct layers of varying density, pressure and temperature.
Therefore scientists found themselves classifying the layers of Earth
into seven layers, not more. The figure shows these layers with their
dimensions (some are out of scale) according to what scientists have
recently found using methods like earthquake measuring devices and the
study of Earth’s magnetic field, among other techniques. These studies
and discoveries are being taught to these scientists’ students in
universities.
Figure showing Earth’s seven layers, notice that the crust is very
thin followed by mantle of varying thickness, then came the core
comprised of a liquid and finally a seventh solid nucleus.
Scientists have found that the atom is also comprised of seven layers
or levels, and this proves the uniformity of creation, where Earth has
seven layers and atoms have seven layers as well. This creation
therefore is ruled by only one creator.
Earth’s seven layers vary greatly in structure, density, temperature
and material. Therefore one cannot consider that Earth has only one
layer as people anciently thought. Here we find that the idea of the
Earth having layers is fairly recent and wasn’t presented or brought
forward at the time when the Quran was being revealed. Those
discoveries are what the Twenty First century -scientists tell us,
What then does the book of Allah tell us?
In the Company of the Noble Quran
The Holy Quran, God’s word , talks to us about the seven Heavens and
also seven layers of Earth in the Quranic verses:
God says in the Holy Quran in this regard what means “Who has created
the seven heavens one above another…” [Al-Mulk 3]
God says in the Holy Quran in this regard what means “It is Allah Who
has created seven heavens and of the earth the like thereof
(i.e. seven).” [Attalaq 12]
The first verse has specified two traits for the heavens which are:
their number which is seven, their organization, which is into
layers , one on the of top of the other and this is according to the
Quranic interpretation books and Arabic language dictionaries. As for
the second verse, it confirms that Earth is similar to the Heavens
from the part of the verse that says “…and of the earth the like
thereof”, where since the Heavens are layers, then Earth is comprised
of layers as well, and since the Heavens are seven, therefore Earth’s
layers are seven as well.
Here we need to pause and elaborate on Allah’s choice of words in the
word: “Tibaqa” – which means layers one on top of another, and this is
what scientists have recently discovered that Earth is comprised of
layers, this in turn leads us to conclude that Al-Qur`an defined
Earth’s shape, of layers, and it (Al-Quran) has also specified the
number of these layers, seven. Henceforth Al-Qur`an chose a very
specific word to describe Earth’s composition, so Al-Qur`an preceded
the Twenty First Century scientists in mentioning Earths facts
fourteen centuries ago. Isn’t this an overwhelming
?Quranic miracle
If we contemplate 0n the Noble Prophet’s (peace and blessings be upon
him) Hadeeth (sayings), we find one Hadeeth that confirms this fact of
Earth’s seven overlapping layers. Prophet Mohammad (peace and
blessings be upon him) says: “whomever oppressed someone a hand span’s
distance from the Earth, gets surrounded by seven overlapping
layers”[Bukhari 2321], the Hadeeth is telling us that Allah will
punish those who oppress in Earth by being encircled and surrounded by
seven Earthly layers. This definition for the word “Tawaqa” that was
used in the Hadeeth is as found in Arabic Language Dictionaries.
The question here is: Isn’t this a great prophetic miracle? doesn’t
this Hadeeth specify the number of Earth’s layers which are seven, and
also mentions their nature of being overlapped or surrounding each
other?From the word encircled used in the Hadeeth, we can deduce
circular shapes and in three dimensions we can deduce spherical
shapes.
Henceforth The Noble Qur’an and Prophetic Sunnah (traditions of the
Prophet) preceded modern science to this scientific fact. In addition
Al-Qur’an gave us the precise naming for the structure of Earth using
the word “Tibaqa” or layers, and it has given us the accurate number
for these layers which is seven, while scientists spent long years and
changed their theories several times to come up with scientific
theories previously mentioned in The Quran and Sunnah. Glory be to
Allah the Greatest who said in his exalted book: “And on the earth are
signs for those who have Faith with certainty, And also in your
ownselves. Will you not then see?” [Athariyat, 20,21]
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Michael Moroney
Speaking of weirdness, why do you use xNews ?
>your standards are so low, you use a newsReader that:
Thanks, Jeff for your reviews of xNews. Based on your recommendations, I
downloaded it to try it out as I've been toying with using a different
newsreader.
> A. Can't read or write UTF-8.
Check.
> B. Doesn't have easy access to the parent post;
> i.e. it won't downLoad the parent post via a click.
As you saw later, it does.
> C. Won't sort posts from most-watched to least-watched,
> grouped by nym(person). Doesn't know which are
>Most Watched.
I want it to group by thread, and it does it well.
> D. Can't muffle nyms; i.e. can't limit a nym to 5 unRead posts,
> automatically marking its older posts wasRead.
> E. Can't limit wasRead posts to a nyms' 30 most-recent
It has a decent scoring system as well as an outright plonk file. Looks
decent since it seems to allow scoring on any field and to do it
differently by newsgroup if you wish.
I don't think I would care for whatever the heck your "muffle"
is, nor would I think anyone else would, so I hardly see any reason
for you to list it as a disadvantage to the original poster.
However, xnews doesn't follow (understand or post) RFC-2047 compliant
headers and allows posting of broken subject lines, and, in addition,
I'd rather run the newsreader on another system so I'd prefer an X
based reader with open source. I'd also like the ability to retrieve by
Message-ID.
Speaking of Message-ID, I guess I didn't catch your incorrect Message-IDs
when discussing the brokenness of your reader earlier. Since the format
is only a "SHOULD" it only indicates poor programming practice rather than
an outright violation.
Sjouke Burry
>>
>> Uhg. This is a good example when a sale (of the USENET archive) should
>> not have gone to the highest bidder.
>
> Earthï؟½s Seven Layers
>
> Quranic and Prophetic Miracle
> Author: Abdul
Creepy creep blowing up the islam again(idiot).
John Wunderlich
news:h1b2af$7al$1...@pcls6.std.com:
> I'd also like the ability to retrieve by Message-ID.
Xnews will retrieve by Message-ID.
Simply double-click on any message-ID.
-- John
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
“ I'd also like the ability to retrieve by Message-ID. ”.
Then you(John Wunderlich) replied:
“ Xnews will retrieve by Message-ID.
Simply double-click on any message-ID. ”.
My mouse can't double-click, I turned that feature off.
Is there an alternative ?
I tried selecting a message-ID found in the body of a post and then
hitting the Enter key... but it didn't work.
How do you enter a Message-ID for downLoading ?
Michael Moroney
Thanks. Can I type in (or more likely paste via mouse) a Message-ID from
another source anywhere?
»Q«
_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid <_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid> wrote:
> I doesn't come with its source code, so I can't modify it.
whew.
»Q«
Michael Moroney <mor...@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:
Paste it into the xpat search dialog, available in the Group menu.
John Wunderlich
news:20090617215...@bellgrove.remarqs.net:
Caveat: That method will only work if your server supports XPAT
searches *and* you happen to have the group open in which that Message-
ID designator resides. A more robust method would be as follows:
In the article window, select a character or two, right click on it,
and select "Edit URL". When the window pops up, type "news:"
(replacing the characters that are there) then paste your Message ID.
It will then look something like:
news:h1bnji$f0c$1...@pcls4.std.com
Click "OK" and if Xnews is your default news reader and that article is
anywhere on your newsserver (in any group), then that article pop up.
-- John
John Doe
> _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid writes:
...
> Speaking of Message-ID, I guess I didn't catch your incorrect
> Message-IDs when discussing the brokenness of your reader earlier.
Jeff is trying to sell a newsreader?
Message IDs are not the only thing he has broken.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
C:\xNews\xNews /?
This wouldn't downLoad “ _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Jun16.10.25am.B7 ”:
C:\xNews\xNews.EXE news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Jun16.10.25am.B7
xPat didn't work for me.
The NNTP command is very simple, it's just:
Article <_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Jun16.10.25am.B7>
Michael Moroney
>mor...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:
>> _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid writes:
>...
>> Speaking of Message-ID, I guess I didn't catch your incorrect
>> Message-IDs when discussing the brokenness of your reader earlier.
>Jeff is trying to sell a newsreader?
No, I commented on the posts generated by it in the past.
He often mentions how to get his newsreader but then brags he's the only
one able to use it. I don't know if he's ever had any takers.
>Message IDs are not the only thing he has broken.
What's amusing is to see how other news software reacts to the "signature"
he sticks in the Subject: line. So far, in a response to a Relf ralph
titled: [sig]Blah blah subjects of replies I've seen have been:
Re: [sig]Blah blah
[sig]Re: Blah blah
Re: ?Blah blah
Re: Blah blah
?Re: Blah blah
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?... (RFC 2047 encoding just the 'sig')
=?windows-1252?Q?=3F... (RFC 2047 encoding a "?" + Blah blah)
=?UTF-8?Q?...
=?UTF-8?B?... (RFC 2047 encoding the whole subject)
Re: ?Re:
some others I forget
Jeff's 'sig' conflicts with the requirements for default subjects (does
the 'sig' go first or, as the specs state, the 4 chars "Re: " go first?)
but since he always changes the subject we don't know his opinion. Not
that it matters.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
remove the “ UTF-8 Signature ”(magic number).
After all, it is a zero-width glyph, is it not ?
―――――――
To answer Moroney's question, no one has ever tried X.ZIP;
or, if they did, they didn't tell me about it.
Gregory Hall and Robb have commented on screenShots of X.ZIP;
they said they couldn't read the tiny gray text on the black background.
I use 127 columns, monoSpaced, smallCaps.
Ralph Fox
Rom <-...@-.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:05:58 +0000 (UTC), _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid
> wrote:
>
> > Google Groups, Windows Live Mail, X.ZIP, etc.
> > remove the “ UTF-8 Signature ”(magic number).
> > After all, it is a zero-width glyph, is it not ?
>
> Possibly all newsreaders besides X.ZIP don't post your 'magic 8-ball'.
Indeed.
If one reads RFC 2781 section 3.3, it is obvious that the BOM
is _not_ to be prepended when the byte order is not ambiguous.
That is, on the Internet, the BOM is solely for disambiguating
byte order, and is not for otherwise identifying the character
encoding.
For UTF-8 there never is any ambiguity with byte order. Hence
those other newsreaders are correct in not prepending the BOM,
and X.ZIP is noncompliant.
--
Regards
Ralph
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
― as I do, in my code editor ― Forté Agent is borked.
The famous “UTF-8 signature” is U-FeFF in UTF-8; i.e. hex: eF, bb, bF.
RFC 2781, a.k.a. “UTF-16, an encoding of ISO 10646”, begins:
“ This memo provides information for the Internet community.
It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. ”.
www.Tools.ietf.ORG/html/rfc2781
At any rate, section 3.2 says:
“ In particular, in UTF-16 plain text,
it is likely, but not certain, that an initial 0xFEFF is a signature.
When concatenating two strings,
it is important to strip out those signatures,
because, otherwise, the resulting string may contain an
unintended "ZERO WIDTH NON-BREAKING SPACE" at the connection point.
Also, some specifications mandate
an initial 0xFEFF character in objects labelled as UTF-16 and
specify that this signature is not part of the object. ”.
»Q«
John Wunderlich <jwund...@lycos.com> wrote:
Thanks, that's better. If Xnews is the default newsreader, putting
the news: URL into the Windows run box or should work as well.
»Q«
»Q« <box...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > In the article window, select a character or two, right click on
> > it, and select "Edit URL". When the window pops up, type "news:"
> > (replacing the characters that are there) then paste your Message
> > ID. It will then look something like:
> >
> > news:h1bnji$f0c$1...@pcls4.std.com
> >
> > Click "OK" and if Xnews is your default news reader and that article
> > is anywhere on your newsserver (in any group), then that article pop
> > up.
>
> Thanks, that's better. If Xnews is the default newsreader, putting
> the news: URL into the Windows run box or should work as well.
That was supposed to be "or browser's address bar".
Ralph Fox
║ In Forté Agent I have easy access to a parent post, even with ║
║ threading turned off. Jeff Relf obviously does not know how ║
║ to do this in Forté Agent. ║
╠═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╣
║ Джефф Relf, разумеется, не знают, как делать это в Forté Agent. ║
╠═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╣
║ 杰夫Relf显然不知道如何做到这一点在复代理。 ║
╚═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝
--
The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the one who is doing it.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
your post, “ news:ccar35lo8jag4c30h...@4ax.com ”:
╔═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗
║ In Forté Agent I have easy access to a parent post, even with ║
║ threading turned off. Jeff Relf obviously does not know how ║
║ to do this in Forté Agent. ║
╠═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╣
║ Джефф Relf, разумеется, не знают, как делать это в Forté Agent. ║
╠═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╣
║ 杰夫Relf显然不知道如何做到这一点在复代理。 ║
╚═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝
I couldn't get my copy of Forté Agent 5, to display it;
in fact, I've since uninstalled it.
Also, how do I get F.Agent to go to the parent post.
»Q«
Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> wrote:
> ╔═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗
> ║ In Forté Agent I have easy access to a parent post, even with ║
> ║ threading turned off. Jeff Relf obviously does not know how ║
> ║ to do this in Forté Agent. ║
> ╚═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝
Relf has very much trouble determining what any newsreader can and
cannot do, including his own.
Ralph Fox
_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid wrote:
> Please show me a screenShot of Forté Agent displaying this,
> your post, “ news:ccar35lo8jag4c30h...@4ax.com ”:
See http://i44.tinypic.com/e0h108.png
> ╔═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗
> ║ In Forté Agent I have easy access to a parent post, even with ║
> ║ threading turned off. Jeff Relf obviously does not know how ║
> ║ to do this in Forté Agent. ║
> ╠═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╣
> ║ Джефф Relf, разумеется, не знают, как делать это в Forté Agent. ║
> ╠═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╣
> ║ 杰夫Relf显然不知道如何做到这一点在复代理。 ║
> ╚═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝
>
> I couldn't get my copy of Forté Agent 5, to display it;
> in fact, I've since uninstalled it.
>
> Also, how do I get F.Agent to go to the parent post.
Since you have uninstalled it, the information won’t be of much use to you :-)
Right-click on one of the MIDs in the References header, and choose
“Jump to Message URL” from the right-click context menu. It is a
configuration option whether to display the References at the top of
the message body pane -- but even when this option is not turned on,
one can still press ‘H’ to display headers.
--
Regards
Ralph
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
i44.tinypic.com/e0h108.png
Does Agent downLoad the parent post if need be ?
How do I give it a Message-ID to downLoad ?
I guess I'll have to downLoad and install Agent again,
I hope it gives me another 30 days.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
i40.tinypic.com/51sjt5.png
What settings was I missing ?
I'll downLoad and install Agent again, later tomorrow.
I can't “ Double-click the MID in References ”,
my mouse isn't set-up to double-click.
Will Agent downLoad the parent post if need be ?
Ralph Fox
_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid wrote:
> What settings do I need to get Agent to display like this ? :
If you did not follow Rom�s reply to your message
news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Jun15.10.06am.eD
then I am not sure how I could explain it again.
In addition, do NOT assume that font substitution will save your
posterior anatomy, if you are careless enough to pick a font
without Chinese characters.
> Does Agent downLoad the parent post if need be ?
Yes, unless you change the default settings.
If you have previously downloaded the parent post's header, then
Agent will find the header but you will have to request Agent to
download the body for that header.
--
Regards
Ralph
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
will Forté Agent download it ?
―――――――
You(Ralph) won't say if Agent can downLoad a post given a
user-specified Message-ID... likely, hat means it can't.
――――――――――――――
As for mixing Chinese, English, Russian and Graphics characters...
I carefully reRead your(and Rom's) replies to:
news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Jun15.10.06am.eD
I use tiny glyphs ― 123 columns, monoSpaced, on a 1280 x 1024 screen;
the ╳ glyph, for eample, is 11 pixels wide, 22 pixels high.
My Vista-SP1 box has “ClearType” enabled, for “sub-pixel anti-aliasing”.
Here's a screenShot, notice the “Small Caps”:
www.JeffRelf.F-M.FM/123-Columns.PNG
Gnu uniFont won't scale and the “A” glyph is 6 x 10 in an 8 x 16 cell,
so I can't use it.
Agent doesn't pick the best font for each glyph(glyph-by-glyph);
you told me that, so I've no need to reDownLoad Agent.
John Doe
> Those who are keen to learn, will uncover 3/4 of it by themselves.
> Those who want only to be spoon fed, will post trollish statements.
How very true. That tactic is not uncommon, misstating things in an attempt
to provoke others to find/provide the answer.
--
Google is the spammer's gateway to USENET...
Google has destroyed access to the USENET archive...
...down with Google
metspitzer
> This finds some of your recent posts:
> www.Google.COM/search?q=%22Peter-pete%22&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d7
>
> I'm more indexed than you are:
> www.Google.COM/search?q=%22Jeff_Relf%22|%22Jeff-Relf%22&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d7
> Google.COM/search?q="Jeff_Relf"|"Jeff-Relf"&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d7
> Google.COM/groups?q="Jeff_Relf"|"Jeff-Relf"&sitesearch=google.com&scoring=d
>
> Likely, this is becauseGoogledoesn't munge the "Jeff_Relf" in my eMail address:
> _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid
I changed my name to something semi unique for just that reason. You
have to have a unique name to search for.
Either a unique name or a unique signature.
Brian K
> Anybody else remember, a long time ago when searching the USENET
> archive produced a list of most relevant groups? That was a good way to
> determine which group was best to post a question to.
>
> Finding information in the USENET archive has become more and more
> difficult since Google took over.
>
> On the Google Groups advanced search page, we can choose Google Groups,
> but search results include mostly moderated, non-USENET groups.
>
> Sometimes search results include a small fraction of the results the
> same search includes at another time.
>
> Uhg. This is a good example when a sale (of the USENET archive) should
> not have gone to the highest bidder.
>
Google and Usenet Newsgroups more difficult? How is this something
new? Google has always favored it's own groups to Usenet Newsgroups.
--
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"The poor dog is the firmest friend, the first to welcome the foremost to defend" - Lord Byron
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John Doe
...
> Google and Usenet Newsgroups more difficult? How is this
> something new? Google has always favored it's own groups to
> Usenet Newsgroups.
Over time, the problem has become worse.
»Q«
John Doe <jd...@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
> Brian K <brian1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > Google and Usenet Newsgroups more difficult? How is this
> > something new? Google has always favored it's own groups to
> > Usenet Newsgroups.
>
> Over time, the problem has become worse.
It's been completely useless for the past couple of weeks. The
downhill slide seems to have accelerated. Even using the same seach
terms, results are extremely erratic.
"Results 91 - 100 of about 439 for xnews group:news.software.readers."
"Results 181 - 280 of about 47,200 for xnews
group:news.software.readers."
"Results 21 - 29 of about 29 for xnews group:news.software.readers"
For that last one, the results really did stop at 29 posts.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
As advertizing revenues drop, G.G. gets fewer resources.
It could go to zero, for all I care.
If you want something, you have to pay the price;
neither Google nor congress pay heed to beggars.
Last 7 days, “ sitesearch=google.com ”:
Google.COM/search?q="xNews"&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d7
That's 75 hits, not 29.
Most recent first, “ groups? ” and “ sitesearch=google.com ”:
Google.COM/groups?q="xNews"&sitesearch=google.com&scoring=d
711 hits.