e-mail groups
badgolferman
newsserver. I can access the group either by using Google Groups or by
receiving and posting e-mails. Is there a way to redirect these
messages to/from my newsreader?
Frank Slootweg
You can do that with Hamster [1]. Hamster's built-in FAQ has an item
"Convert mailing-lists into newsgroups".
[1] <http://www.arcorhome.de/newshamster/tgl/misc/hamster_en.html>
Mike Yetto
I most certainly hope not.
Mike "it isn't a newsgroup, it's a web forum" Yetto
--
In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice they are not.
Frank Slootweg
> Bada bing badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> bada bang:
> > I subscribe to a Google newsgroup that is not carried on any usenet
> > newsserver. I can access the group either by using Google Groups or by
> > receiving and posting e-mails. Is there a way to redirect these
> > messages to/from my newsreader?
>
> I most certainly hope not.
Your hope is in vain, not to mention misplaced. Mail-to-news gateways
have existed since ages, and since the WWW, web-to-news gateways have
been added.
Anyway, badgolferman is asking for a *personal* gateway, "... to/from
*my* newsreader", so it's not anyone's concern.
Who knows, maybe I'm reading/posting via a mail-to-SOUP-via-Avian-
Carriers-to-news 'gateway'. What does it matter?
> Mike "it isn't a newsgroup, it's a web forum" Yetto
Do a Google (*not* Google Groups) search on "Mike Yetto", you
might/will be surprised.
Frank Slootweg
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Who knows, maybe I'm reading/posting via a mail-to-SOUP-via-Avian-
> > Carriers-to-news 'gateway'. What does it matter?
>
> <http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2324.html> or of RFC2549?
No, of course not! "HTCPCP"!? We don't need that stinkeen new-fangled
stuff! Anything with "hyper" in it or/and high-numbered RFCs can't be
any good! And Avian Carriers [1] is an *encapsulation method*, not some
silly *Control* Protocol! Sheesh!
I.e. Avian Carriers can, for example, be used for the P to call the K
B, not to control the P.
badgolferman
Hamster is an installable server, correct? Unfortunately I cannot put
that on my laptop. Is there a public mail redirecter or something to
that effect? My desire is to have the messages sent to my current
Gmail account from the "web forum" then forwarded to the public server
then picked up by my newsreader so I can view the messages in a
threaded tree view. GMail will not do tree views and I just can't deal
with Google Groups. Conversely I would like to send messages from the
newsreader to the server and have it posted to the forum. If Hamster
is my only choice then I am out of luck.
Mike Easter
> I subscribe to a Google newsgroup that is not carried on any usenet
> newsserver.
Do you mean a googlespecific group, or do you mean a 'regular' nntp
newsgroup that just doesn't happen to be carried by any of the
newsservers which you have access to?
What is the group in question?
--
Mike Easter
badgolferman
It is a googlespecific group. I would rather not divulge the name of
that group.
Mike Easter
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> badgolferman wrote:
>>> I subscribe to a Google newsgroup that is not carried on any usenet
>>> newsserver.
>>
>> Do you mean a googlespecific group,
> It is a googlespecific group.
Another possibility other than the mail2news described is if the GG
mailing list is carried by gmane -- or can be so subscribed to become
gmaned.
Gmane provides mail2news, so if the GG's admin has no objection to the
group being 'archived' via gmane, then you could sub the group into
gmane and create a gmane account for your newsreader and sub to that
gmane group.
Personally I don't like mailing lists and prefer to 'convert' mailing
lists I've been on in the past into a gmane group if possible.
There's also the issue of how the antispam process is handled for
mailing list items, which gmane has its own management of that problem
which provides fodder for debate for those who are so inclined.
--
Mike Easter
Frank Slootweg
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
> >badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I subscribe to a Google newsgroup that is not carried on any usenet
> >> newsserver. I can access the group either by using Google Groups
> >>or by receiving and posting e-mails. Is there a way to redirect
> >>these messages to/from my newsreader?
> >
> > You can do that with Hamster [1]. Hamster's built-in FAQ has an item
> >"Convert mailing-lists into newsgroups".
> >
> >[1] <http://www.arcorhome.de/newshamster/tgl/misc/hamster_en.html>
>
> Hamster is an installable server, correct? Unfortunately I cannot put
> that on my laptop.
*Why* not?
Hamster is indeed a 'server', but only for *you*, the user/owner of
the computer/laptop. To the outside world, it acts like a newsreader,
i.e. like your normal newsreader, i.e. it uses *client*, not server,
NNTP commands to your NSP (News SP). And yes, it's 'installable' like
all software.
You post with XanaNews. I assume you have installed that on your
laptop as well. What's the difference with Hamster? Both appear as a
newsreader to your (real, NSP) News server.
> Is there a public mail redirecter or something to
> that effect? My desire is to have the messages sent to my current
> Gmail account from the "web forum" then forwarded to the public server
> then picked up by my newsreader so I can view the messages in a
> threaded tree view. GMail will not do tree views and I just can't deal
> with Google Groups. Conversely I would like to send messages from the
> newsreader to the server and have it posted to the forum. If Hamster
> is my only choice then I am out of luck.
Hamster will do *exactly* what you want.
It will POP e-mail messages from your Gmail Inbox and will determine
which messages to convert to a pseudo newsgroup. That pseudo newsgroup
is available to your newsreader. Other normal mail messages will be
passed to your mail program. (That is assuming that the Gmail account is
used for *both* 'newsgroup' and normal mail. If it is only used for
'newsgroup' mail, the setup becomes even simpler.)
'Posting' is even simpler, because you just have to reply, not
followup, from your newsreader. That will mail your posting to the
mailinglist and the mailinglist will return a copy of your message to
all subscribers, i.e. also to you, where it will end up in the pseudo
newsgroup, just like all other messages.
All this is not saying that there are no other solutions, but Hamster
will do what you asked.
Indi
>
> Hamster is an installable server, correct? Unfortunately I cannot put
> that on my laptop. Is there a public mail redirecter or something to
> that effect? My desire is to have the messages sent to my current
> Gmail account from the "web forum" then forwarded to the public server
> then picked up by my newsreader so I can view the messages in a
> threaded tree view. GMail will not do tree views and I just can't deal
> with Google Groups. Conversely I would like to send messages from the
> newsreader to the server and have it posted to the forum. If Hamster
> is my only choice then I am out of luck.
>
Not quite what you asked for, but if proper threading is what you want
you can use mutt with imap support to access your gmail, subscribe to
the group as an email list, then create a gmail filter to send all the
list mail to the appropriate imap box ("label" in google-speak).
Then you'll have the group threaded, and the only time you'll need
your browser for gmail is when you want to alter settings.
--
indi
badgolferman
> Why not?
>
> Hamster is indeed a 'server', but only for you, the user/owner of
>the computer/laptop. To the outside world, it acts like a newsreader,
>i.e. like your normal newsreader, i.e. it uses client, not server,
>NNTP commands to your NSP (News SP). And yes, it's 'installable' like
>all software.
>
> You post with XanaNews. I assume you have installed that on your
>laptop as well. What's the difference with Hamster? Both appear as a
>newsreader to your (real, NSP) News server.
Can all this be done with Hamster on Port 80 or 8080?
Frank Slootweg
Again, explain *why* you ask this question (and which port you mean,
the port to which your newsreader connects to Hamster or the port
which Hamster uses to connect to your NSP, or yet another port).
By itself, the question makes no sense to me, because Hamster uses POP
(or IMAP) to get the mail from Gmail and Gmail of course does not use
80/8080 for POP/IMAP, because those are HTTP ports. For the newsreader
to Hamster connection, using port 80/8080 is even more weird.
Frank Slootweg
AFAICT, badgolferman's platform is (MS-)Windows, so using mutt would
be difficult (but not impossible).
But you bring up an interesting point:
badgolferman, what is you platform/operating system? And what is your
*mail*reader?
If your platform is (MS-)Windows, then you can just use Outlook
Express (XP and earlier) or Windows Mail (Vista) or Windows Live Mail
(XP and later).
All of them *do* have a threaded view, you just have to *enable* it.
For example in Windows Mail -> View -> Current View -> tick Group
Messages by Conversation. Of course that only works if the messages
*can* be threaded, i.e. they have a "References:" line. If they haven't,
they can not be threaded, by any software.
»Q«
badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
IIRC, you can configure it to accept connections on whatever port you
like. But I don't understand why you'd want to use an http port for
news.
XanaNews <-NNTP-> Hamster's local newsserver | Hamster's mail fetcher <-POP/SMTP-> remote mail server
11111111 2 333333333333
1) This connection is local, only on your machine. Most people use
localhost:119.
2) Hamster's internal mail/news gateway.
2) This connection is not local, Hamster would get the list mail the
same way any e-mail client would.
badgolferman
Thank you for the explanation. I was under the wrong impression as to
how it works. I am not sure that is the route I want to follow though.