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Blinky the Shark

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Aug 24, 2007, 8:54:11 PM8/24/07
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Sometimes the full header display won't toggle off. I don't remember if
I have to restart Xnews, or if opening and closing that group returns
the display to partial headers. But I'd rather just be able to hit h or
click the headers button. Anyone else seen this?


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Blinky the Shark

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Aug 24, 2007, 9:27:41 PM8/24/07
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m...@tadyatam.invalid wrote:
> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote in
> news:slrnfcuvf8....@thurston.blinkynet.net:
>
>> Sometimes the full header display won't toggle off. I
>> don't remember if I have to restart Xnews, or if opening
>> and closing that group returns the display to partial
>> headers. But I'd rather just be able to hit h or click the
>> headers button. Anyone else seen this?
>>
>
> Yes, when I am "one tab short" moving b/w panes. That is:
> - cursor is in the filter drop down box
> - hit Alt
> then the "H" is dead (as well as a..z, etc.).

Hmmmmm. That must be Case 2, because I never use the filter button.

Mike Dee

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Aug 24, 2007, 8:33:32 PM8/24/07
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Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:

> Sometimes the full header display won't toggle off. I don't
> remember if I have to restart Xnews, or if opening and closing
> that group returns the display to partial headers. But I'd rather
> just be able to hit h or click the headers button. Anyone else
> seen this?

No, I can't get this to not work. Clicking "H" that is, works for me
every time, I've even tried to replicate what <m...@tadyatam.invalid>
suggested but can't get it to stuff up.

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Blinky the Shark

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Aug 24, 2007, 9:55:39 PM8/24/07
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Big help *you* turned out to be. Can't even *break* something when you
need to. ;)

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SINNER

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Aug 24, 2007, 11:29:56 PM8/24/07
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* Blinky the Shark wrote in news.software.readers:

> Sometimes the full header display won't toggle off. I don't remember if
> I have to restart Xnews, or if opening and closing that group returns
> the display to partial headers. But I'd rather just be able to hit h or
> click the headers button. Anyone else seen this?

So BOTH methods fail when it fails?

ie, if you hit 'h' and it refuses to work, then you click the button and
it refuses also?

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Mike Dee

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Aug 25, 2007, 12:00:13 AM8/25/07
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Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:

>> No, I can't get this to not work. Clicking "H" that is, works for
>> me every time, I've even tried to replicate what
>> <m...@tadyatam.invalid> suggested but can't get it to stuff up.
>
> Big help *you* turned out to be. Can't even *break* something
> when you need to. ;)

It's a damned worry if I can't break anything :-)

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Blinky the Shark

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Aug 25, 2007, 2:47:32 AM8/25/07
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I scored a fix, tonight. No, not that kind. Shut up. :)

Check out my fix in a reply to Ohmster I just put up. Life is good. :)

Blinky the Shark

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Aug 25, 2007, 2:48:55 AM8/25/07
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m...@tadyatam.invalid wrote:
> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote in
> news:slrnfcv1e3....@thurston.blinkynet.net:
>
>> m...@tadyatam.invalid wrote:
>>> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote in
>>> news:slrnfcuvf8....@thurston.blinkynet.net:
>>>
>>>> Sometimes the full header display won't toggle off. I
>>>> don't remember if I have to restart Xnews, or if opening
>>>> and closing that group returns the display to partial
>>>> headers. But I'd rather just be able to hit h or click
>>>> the headers button. Anyone else seen this?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, when I am "one tab short" moving b/w panes. That is:
>>> - cursor is in the filter drop down box
>>> - hit Alt
>>> then the "H" is dead (as well as a..z, etc.).
>>
>> Hmmmmm. That must be Case 2, because I never use the
>> filter button.
>>
> Just to clarify ..
> I prefer kbd over mouse. For example, using the Tab key to
> switch panes.
> To reproduce your "dead H"
> - I select a msg from the list and press enter
> - cursor is now in the msg text
> - I hit Tab, cursor in inside dropbox (b/w "T" and "S")
> - I hit Alt once
> - all keys except Esc and Alt are no-op, including Tab (din't
> try f'cion keys)
> - I hit Alt again and all's well, e.g., Tab puts me back on
> msg list

<squints>

I think I'm glad I tend to mouse a lot with Xnews. :)

Blinky the Shark

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Aug 25, 2007, 2:49:47 AM8/25/07
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SINNER wrote:
> * Blinky the Shark wrote in news.software.readers:
>> Sometimes the full header display won't toggle off. I don't remember if
>> I have to restart Xnews, or if opening and closing that group returns
>> the display to partial headers. But I'd rather just be able to hit h or
>> click the headers button. Anyone else seen this?
>
> So BOTH methods fail when it fails?

Aye, Cap'n! 'Tis surely a conundrum.

> ie, if you hit 'h' and it refuses to work, then you click the button and
> it refuses also?

As does h, then.

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Mike Dee

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Aug 25, 2007, 5:17:10 AM8/25/07
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Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:

> Mike Dee wrote:
>> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> No, I can't get this to not work. Clicking "H" that is, works
>>>> for me every time, I've even tried to replicate what
>>>> <m...@tadyatam.invalid> suggested but can't get it to stuff up.
>>>
>>> Big help *you* turned out to be. Can't even *break* something
>>> when you need to. ;)
>>
>> It's a damned worry if I can't break anything :-)
>
> I scored a fix, tonight. No, not that kind. Shut up. :)
>
> Check out my fix in a reply to Ohmster I just put up. Life is
> good. :)

If you mean the post:
Message-ID: <slrnfcvol4....@thurston.blinkynet.net>

Then it looks as though you found a means for toggling an expanded tree
in slrn. Good news.

Troy Piggins hack looks good too. In Xnews "T" seems to be a default
for this.

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Blinky the Shark

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Aug 25, 2007, 4:36:12 PM8/25/07
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Mike Dee wrote:
> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Mike Dee wrote:
>>> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> No, I can't get this to not work. Clicking "H" that is, works for
>>>>> me every time, I've even tried to replicate what
>>>>> <m...@tadyatam.invalid> suggested but can't get it to stuff up.
>>>>
>>>> Big help *you* turned out to be. Can't even *break* something when
>>>> you need to. ;)
>>>
>>> It's a damned worry if I can't break anything :-)
>>
>> I scored a fix, tonight. No, not that kind. Shut up. :)
>>
>> Check out my fix in a reply to Ohmster I just put up. Life is good.
>> :)
>
> If you mean the post: Message-ID:
> <slrnfcvol4....@thurston.blinkynet.net>
>
> Then it looks as though you found a means for toggling an expanded
> tree in slrn. Good news.

No, I meant a post where I talked about finding the bad card in my
Laserjet 5M network printer and getting it back up.

Blinky the Shark

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Aug 25, 2007, 4:36:45 PM8/25/07
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Stephen! wrote:
> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote in
> news:slrnfcuvf8....@thurston.blinkynet.net:

>
>> Sometimes the full header display won't toggle off. I don't remember if
>> I have to restart Xnews, or if opening and closing that group returns
>> the display to partial headers. But I'd rather just be able to hit h or
>> click the headers button. Anyone else seen this?
>
> Not with version 5.04.25...
>
> :P

( ! ) ;)

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Aug 26, 2007, 1:17:51 AM8/26/07
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Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Sometimes the full header display won't toggle off. I don't remember if
> I have to restart Xnews, or if opening and closing that group returns
> the display to partial headers. But I'd rather just be able to hit h or
> click the headers button. Anyone else seen this?
>
>

What if anything are you doing other than your normal use? I've used
xnews before and never had that problem, h key works great.

Ahhh I know! You've abused that poor keyboard do bad the keys are
failing. You abuser you! :)

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Top

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Aug 26, 2007, 1:29:38 AM8/26/07
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Blinky the Shark wrote:

> SINNER wrote:
>> * Blinky the Shark wrote in news.software.readers:
>>> Sometimes the full header display won't toggle off. I don't remember if
>>> I have to restart Xnews, or if opening and closing that group returns
>>> the display to partial headers. But I'd rather just be able to hit h or
>>> click the headers button. Anyone else seen this?
>>
>> So BOTH methods fail when it fails?
>
> Aye, Cap'n! 'Tis surely a conundrum.
>
>> ie, if you hit 'h' and it refuses to work, then you click the button and
>> it refuses also?
>
> As does h, then.
>

Checked again, mine misbehaves the same way. I'm using XPN at the
moment but when I do use Xnews I tend to use the mouse as you mention.

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Blinky the Shark

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Aug 26, 2007, 2:12:14 AM8/26/07
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Top wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>> Sometimes the full header display won't toggle off. I don't remember if
>> I have to restart Xnews, or if opening and closing that group returns
>> the display to partial headers. But I'd rather just be able to hit h or
>> click the headers button. Anyone else seen this?
>>
>>
> What if anything are you doing other than your normal use? I've used
> xnews before and never had that problem, h key works great.

Nothing usual that I've noticed, or I'd stop doing that. :)

> Ahhh I know! You've abused that poor keyboard do bad the keys are
> failing. You abuser you! :)

That's it!

Blinky the Shark

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Aug 26, 2007, 2:14:12 AM8/26/07
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I guess you've been abusing *your* keyboard, then, too, mmmmm? ;)

But note that I almost always toggle to full headers with h, not with
the mouse.

Mike Dee

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Aug 26, 2007, 7:01:29 AM8/26/07
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Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:

>> Then it looks as though you found a means for toggling an expanded
>> tree in slrn. Good news.
>
> No, I meant a post where I talked about finding the bad card in my
> Laserjet 5M network printer and getting it back up.
>

LOL <G> I thought as much.

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Aug 26, 2007, 12:35:47 PM8/26/07
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Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Top wrote:
>> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>
>>> SINNER wrote:
>>>> * Blinky the Shark wrote in news.software.readers:
>>>>> Sometimes the full header display won't toggle off. I don't remember if
>>>>> I have to restart Xnews, or if opening and closing that group returns
>>>>> the display to partial headers. But I'd rather just be able to hit h or
>>>>> click the headers button. Anyone else seen this?
>>>>
>>>> So BOTH methods fail when it fails?
>>>
>>> Aye, Cap'n! 'Tis surely a conundrum.
>>>
>>>> ie, if you hit 'h' and it refuses to work, then you click the button and
>>>> it refuses also?
>>>
>>> As does h, then.
>>>
>> Checked again, mine misbehaves the same way. I'm using XPN at the
>> moment but when I do use Xnews I tend to use the mouse as you mention.
>
> I guess you've been abusing *your* keyboard, then, too, mmmmm? ;)
>
> But note that I almost always toggle to full headers with h, not with
> the mouse.
>
>

Now that you mention it I don't use the mouse for that. I usually have
what I want to see displayed so I don't use full headers often.

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Top

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Aug 26, 2007, 1:02:52 PM8/26/07
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Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Mike Dee wrote:
>> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Sometimes the full header display won't toggle off. I don't
>>> remember if I have to restart Xnews, or if opening and closing
>>> that group returns the display to partial headers. But I'd rather
>>> just be able to hit h or click the headers button. Anyone else
>>> seen this?
>>
>> No, I can't get this to not work. Clicking "H" that is, works for me
>> every time, I've even tried to replicate what <m...@tadyatam.invalid>
>> suggested but can't get it to stuff up.
>
> Big help *you* turned out to be. Can't even *break* something when you
> need to. ;)
>
>

Reminds me of a job I had a few years ago. I was paid to break things".
The company was a leading company in the data recorder field. I was a QC
type person. When an update to models were ready to go from engineering
to manufatoring it came to me. When a new model model was produced it
came to me. Enrie and I had great fin trying to "break things". Too
bad the company was bought by a compeditor and run to ground.

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SINNER

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Aug 26, 2007, 7:40:06 PM8/26/07
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* Blinky the Shark wrote in news.software.readers:
> Mike Dee wrote:
>> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:

>>> Mike Dee wrote:
>>>> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:

>>>>>> No, I can't get this to not work. Clicking "H" that is, works for
>>>>>> me every time, I've even tried to replicate what
>>>>>> <m...@tadyatam.invalid> suggested but can't get it to stuff up.

>>>>> Big help *you* turned out to be. Can't even *break* something when
>>>>> you need to. ;)

>>>> It's a damned worry if I can't break anything :-)

>>> I scored a fix, tonight. No, not that kind. Shut up. :)

>>> Check out my fix in a reply to Ohmster I just put up. Life is good.
>>> :)

>> If you mean the post: Message-ID:
>> <slrnfcvol4....@thurston.blinkynet.net>

>> Then it looks as though you found a means for toggling an expanded
>> tree in slrn. Good news.

> No, I meant a post where I talked about finding the bad card in my
> Laserjet 5M network printer and getting it back up.

Damn it! I thought you meant a fix for the issue in this thread. I went
looking for a response to Ohmster in this thread and coulndt find one.

Damn wild goose chase... ;)

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Ginger snap.

Blinky the Shark

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Aug 26, 2007, 11:09:35 PM8/26/07
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My personal setup with any client that allows it is to normally only
show Subject, From, Newsgroups, Date and [the various headers that show
client name]. Anything else, and I open full headers.

Like when we're discussing headers. :)

Blinky the Shark

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Aug 26, 2007, 11:11:06 PM8/26/07
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Top wrote:

> Reminds me of a job I had a few years ago. I was paid to break things".
> The company was a leading company in the data recorder field. I was a QC
> type person. When an update to models were ready to go from engineering
> to manufatoring it came to me. When a new model model was produced it
> came to me. Enrie and I had great fin trying to "break things". Too
> bad the company was bought by a compeditor and run to ground.

And trust me -- a shark sure appreciates the value of great fin. ;)

Top

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Aug 27, 2007, 12:12:08 AM8/27/07
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SINNER wrote:

You must be getting long in the tooth. :)

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Top

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Aug 27, 2007, 12:14:08 AM8/27/07
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Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Top wrote:
>
>> Reminds me of a job I had a few years ago. I was paid to break things".
>> The company was a leading company in the data recorder field. I was a QC
>> type person. When an update to models were ready to go from engineering
>> to manufatoring it came to me. When a new model model was produced it
>> came to me. Enrie and I had great fin trying to "break things". Too
>> bad the company was bought by a compeditor and run to ground.
>
> And trust me -- a shark sure appreciates the value of great fin. ;)
>
>

I saw what I had typed a few words later and my haands are shaking so I
left thinking you'd catch it. lol

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Top

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Aug 27, 2007, 12:17:38 AM8/27/07
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Blinky the Shark wrote:

Add line count and that's what I use. Sometimes I open the full headers
if I want to check something. Full headers all time would be a waste of
screen space.

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-Lost

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Aug 27, 2007, 5:01:01 AM8/27/07
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Response from Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>:

> Top wrote:
>
>> Reminds me of a job I had a few years ago. I was paid to break things".
>> The company was a leading company in the data recorder field. I was a QC
>> type person. When an update to models were ready to go from engineering
>> to manufatoring it came to me. When a new model model was produced it
>> came to me. Enrie and I had great fin trying to "break things". Too
>> bad the company was bought by a compeditor and run to ground.
>
> And trust me -- a shark sure appreciates the value of great fin. ;)

But I am sure not as much as great tail, right?

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No I am not.

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Aug 27, 2007, 5:14:37 AM8/27/07
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Response from Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>:

> m...@tadyatam.invalid wrote:
>> Just to clarify ..
>> I prefer kbd over mouse. For example, using the Tab key to
>> switch panes.
>> To reproduce your "dead H"
>> - I select a msg from the list and press enter
>> - cursor is now in the msg text
>> - I hit Tab, cursor in inside dropbox (b/w "T" and "S")
>> - I hit Alt once
>> - all keys except Esc and Alt are no-op, including Tab (din't
>> try f'cion keys)
>> - I hit Alt again and all's well, e.g., Tab puts me back on
>> msg list

And what is the purpose of hitting "alt?"

> <squints>
>
> I think I'm glad I tend to mouse a lot with Xnews. :)

Use "r!"

Blinky the Shark

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Aug 27, 2007, 4:44:12 PM8/27/07
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-Lost wrote:
> Response from Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>:
>
>> Top wrote:
>>
>>> Reminds me of a job I had a few years ago. I was paid to break things".
>>> The company was a leading company in the data recorder field. I was a QC
>>> type person. When an update to models were ready to go from engineering
>>> to manufatoring it came to me. When a new model model was produced it
>>> came to me. Enrie and I had great fin trying to "break things". Too
>>> bad the company was bought by a compeditor and run to ground.
>>
>> And trust me -- a shark sure appreciates the value of great fin. ;)
>
> But I am sure not as much as great tail, right?

Your math is right on.

I R A Darth Aggie

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Aug 27, 2007, 6:01:55 PM8/27/07
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On 27 Aug 2007 20:44:12 GMT,
Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>, in
<slrnfd6duj....@thurston.blinkynet.net> wrote:
>+ -Lost wrote:
>+ > Response from Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>:

>+ >> And trust me -- a shark sure appreciates the value of great fin. ;)

>+ > But I am sure not as much as great tail, right?

>+ Your math is right on.

It depends if the great tail is requiring many fins before the fin
begins.

But that's a whole 'nuther sort of math.

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isn't looking good, either.
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Blinky the Shark

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Aug 27, 2007, 7:42:14 PM8/27/07
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I R A Darth Aggie wrote:
> On 27 Aug 2007 20:44:12 GMT,
> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>, in
><slrnfd6duj....@thurston.blinkynet.net> wrote:
>>+ -Lost wrote:
>>+ > Response from Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>:
>
>>+ >> And trust me -- a shark sure appreciates the value of great fin. ;)
>
>>+ > But I am sure not as much as great tail, right?
>
>>+ Your math is right on.
>
> It depends if the great tail is requiring many fins before the fin
> begins.

Four fins, same as downtown.

I R A Darth Aggie

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Aug 28, 2007, 8:52:25 AM8/28/07
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On 27 Aug 2007 23:42:14 GMT,

Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>, in
<slrnfd6occ....@thurston.blinkynet.net> wrote:
>+ I R A Darth Aggie wrote:
>+ > On 27 Aug 2007 20:44:12 GMT,
>+ > Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>, in
>+ ><slrnfd6duj....@thurston.blinkynet.net> wrote:
>+ >>+ -Lost wrote:
>+ >>+ > Response from Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>:
>+ >
>+ >>+ >> And trust me -- a shark sure appreciates the value of great fin. ;)
>+ >
>+ >>+ > But I am sure not as much as great tail, right?
>+ >
>+ >>+ Your math is right on.
>+ >
>+ > It depends if the great tail is requiring many fins before the fin
>+ > begins.
>+
>+ Four fins, same as downtown.

So, you slipped the tail a fin, or four?

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Aug 28, 2007, 11:17:39 AM8/28/07
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Blinky the Shark wrote:

> I R A Darth Aggie wrote:
>> On 27 Aug 2007 20:44:12 GMT,
>> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>, in
>><slrnfd6duj....@thurston.blinkynet.net> wrote:
>>>+ -Lost wrote:
>>>+ > Response from Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>:
>>
>>>+ >> And trust me -- a shark sure appreciates the value of great fin. ;)
>>
>>>+ > But I am sure not as much as great tail, right?
>>
>>>+ Your math is right on.
>>
>> It depends if the great tail is requiring many fins before the fin
>> begins.
>
> Four fins, same as downtown.
>
>

I woud have thought you fined more than that.

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