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Jim Miller  
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 More options May 22 1996, 3:00 am
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From: ji...@netcom.com (Jim Miller)
Date: 1996/05/22
Subject: Re: CFV: humanities.philosophy.objectivism (disinterested parties)

Betsy Speicher <be...@speicher.com> wrote:
>> >Neo-Techers are also not pleased.  Although nobody is supposed to vote
>> >more than once, the Neo-Techers are dishonest to the core, most use a
>> >variety of aliases and have several accounts, and we are expecting a
>> >lot of vote fraud.

>>        so you have decided to try and combat it by doing a little
>>        fraudulent campaiging of your own?  see below:

>> >We urgently need your YES vote.  E-mail this to your friends and get
>> >the people you know at school or at work to vote YES too.

>>        i have no interest in your proposed newsgroup.  but i think
>>        what you're doing here goes beyond the level of campaigning
>>        i find reasonable.  "friends and people you know" have no
>>        business voting on a usenet newsgroup in whose topic they
>>        have no personal interest, and which they would likely not
>>        participate in.

>>        *bleagh*.

>Ooops!  This was a misstatement on my part.

>I meant to say (and have since corrected this message) to say that
>Objectivists should contact their _Objectivist_ friends who have _UseNet_
>_access_ and urge them to read the CFV.

...and vote YES!, whether or not they now use Usenet, or will use Usenet.
In her unabridged campaign letter to an off-Usenet Objectivism mailing
list, Speicher takes great pains to describe exactly what is a Usenet
vote, the history of this particular vote, the history of the Usenet
Rand newsgroups -- all in a tutorial style, clearly aimed at people
unfamiliar with Usenet and with Rand on Usenet, who are exactly the
type of people who should NOT be voting on a Usenet group.  Speicher's
purpose is to use establish Rand mailing lists populated by like-thinking
people to recruit bodies in order to push this vote through.  A pointer
to the CFV is given, with its own pro-newgroup language, which she
supplements with her own pro-newgroup propagandizing.  She is happy
for the "con" side of the argument never to be seen by these bodies;
and this would only come to light by having a pre-existing interest
in Rand discussion on Usenet, previously being subscribed to the Rand
newsgroup which is engendering the newgroup, and having followed the
newgroup discussion on that group with interest.  Speicher doesn't
care whether or not her recruits will be active participants in Usenet,
or even whether or not they ever use a newsreader again after going
through the mechanics of placing the "yes" vote -- she makes no
exhortations to this effect in her campaign letter, which, again, is
a streamlined piece of writing whose sole purpose is to extract
expected "yes" votes from people with closely matching ideology from
the Rand mailing list -- a rich mother lode of votes.

Speicher obligingly "oops!"es for us, but the character of her letter
already makes her intentions plain.  The "misstatement" line is the
excuse after being discovered with the hand in the cookie jar, and
it doesn't excuse the basic dishonesty of the intentions of the person
committing the act.

I'll be submitting her original letter, along with my comments, to the
appropriate person or body in charge of investigating Usenet voting
fraud.  Not only does this push the limits of accepted standards, as
it was intended, but it crosses over.

-Jim Miller

--
|          Jim Miller            |  "The whole problem with the world is that|
|       ji...@netcom.com         |fools and fanatics are always so certain of|
|      j...@umcc.umich.edu        |themselves, but wiser people are so full of|
|http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~jgm/ |doubts." -- Bertrand Russell               |


 
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