RFD: sci.engr.marine.misc
William R. Ward
Why not just sci.engr.marine? I see no reason why the existence of
sci.engr.marine.hydrodynamics should preclude this. Also, what is the
traffic like in sci.engr.marine.hydrodynamics? If it is low, perhaps
it is better to rename it, dropping the hydrodynamics, for a more
general marine engineering group.
--Bill.
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Lance Baker
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group sci.engr.marine.misc
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup sci.engr.marine.misc. This is
not a Call For Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural
details are below.
Newsgroup line:
sci.engr.marine.misc Marine Engineering discussion.
RATIONALE: sci.engr.marine.misc
Marine Engineering is a profession which requires a broad knowledge of
all engineering practices pertaining to the building, maintaining and
retro-fitting of all types of sea-going and coastal vessels. The
world's shipping companies employ over 150,000 sea-going marine
engineers and many shore-based engineers. The proposed newsgroup is
intended for the sharing of knowledge in such a diverse working
environment.
At present there is no newsgroup similar to this proposed newsgroup
for marine engineers to utilise.
The newsgroup sci.engr caters for engineering in general which is too
broad a topic for marine engineers to use. The majority of traffic
through this group tends to be mechanical and civil engineering. The
newsgroup sci.engr.marine.hydrodynamics is an area that is far too
specific for marine engineers use. The newsgroup
misc.transport.marine caters for the business side of marine transport
which would not be suitable.
CHARTER: sci.engr.marine.misc
This will be an unmoderated newsgroup. It will be open to discussion
of all engineering practices pertaining to the building, maintaining
and retro-fitting of all types of sea-going and coastal
vessels. Specific topics may include but are not limited to:
+ Slow, Medium and High Speed Diesel Engines
+ Steam and Gas Turbines
+ Steam Generation Plants
+ Electrical and Electronic Systems
+ Fuel and Lubricating Oil Analysis and Purification
+ Water Treatment - Boiler, SW, CCW, Potable
+ Hull, Cargo Tank and Ballast Tank Protection
+ Tankers, Naval, Dredging, Towage, Heavy Lift, Etc.
Binaries and messages that advertise products not related to marine
engineering are banned. On-topic advertising is limited to once per
week.
END CHARTER.
PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for
a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce,newsgroups), after which a Call
For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this
happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "how to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce,newsgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.
DISTRIBUTION:
This RFD has been posted to the following groups:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, sci.engr,
sci.engr.marine.hydrodynamics, misc.transport.marine
Proponent: Lance Baker <la...@enternet.com.au>
gha...@mailhost.primenet.com
Lance Baker wrote:
>
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> unmoderated group sci.engr.marine.misc
>
> all engineering practices pertaining to the building, maintaining and
> retro-fitting of all types of sea-going and coastal vessels. The
> world's shipping companies employ over 150,000 sea-going marine
> engineers and many shore-based engineers. The proposed newsgroup is
> intended for the sharing of knowledge in such a diverse working
> environment.
-----
It would be nice to have a place where marine engineers could
congregate. But I wonder about an open newsgroup. I wonder if an email
list may not be a better idea.
--
Greg Hayden
gha...@primenet.com
Another Merchant Marine Page
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/1965/
Ned Forrester
In article <848529...@uunet.uu.net>, la...@enternet.com.au (Lance Baker) writes:
|> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
|> unmoderated group sci.engr.marine.misc
|> Marine Engineering is a profession which requires a broad knowledge of
|> all engineering practices pertaining to the building, maintaining and
|> retro-fitting of all types of sea-going and coastal vessels. The
|> world's shipping companies employ over 150,000 sea-going marine
|> engineers and many shore-based engineers. The proposed newsgroup is
|> intended for the sharing of knowledge in such a diverse working
|> environment.
|> CHARTER: sci.engr.marine.misc
|>
|> This will be an unmoderated newsgroup. It will be open to discussion
|> and retro-fitting of all types of sea-going and coastal
|>
|> + Slow, Medium and High Speed Diesel Engines
|> + Steam and Gas Turbines
|> + Steam Generation Plants
|> + Electrical and Electronic Systems
|> + Fuel and Lubricating Oil Analysis and Purification
|> + Water Treatment - Boiler, SW, CCW, Potable
|> + Hull, Cargo Tank and Ballast Tank Protection
|> + Tankers, Naval, Dredging, Towage, Heavy Lift, Etc.
I would like to suggest that there is a possible mis-match between the
proposed name of this group and its charter.
While the term "marine" may seem specific to some, there are a vast
number of engineered systems for the marine environment that are not
SHIPS. What about:
Oil platforms
Bouys and moorings
Pipelines
Oceangraphic instrumentation
Vehicle and Cable Handling Systems
Seabed Installations
Submarine Cables
Surface and deep towed insturments and arrays
Submersibles, both naval and research
Remotely Operated Vehicles (ROVs)
Autonomous Underwater Vehicles (AUVs)
etc.
One might define these as being topics of Ocean engineering rather
than Marine engineering, but there is considerable overlap and
interest as well. Although I have not followed sci.engr, the traffic
in sci.engr.marine.hydrodynamics is very low.
As there are:
1. not yet any groups that are specific to either Marine or
Ocean engineering,
2. insufficient traffic level to warrant more than
one group, and
3. many common intersts between Marine and Ocean engineering,
I would propose that the charter be expanded to include the topics of
Ocean engineering.
If the founder's intent is really to restrict this new group to ships
only, then I think the proposed name should be changed to something
that implies ships only such as: sci.engr.marine.ships; otherwise
people will post articles of a more general nature to this group, in
spite of what's specified in the charter.
--
Ned Forrester nforr...@whoi.edu
Applied Ocean Physics and Engineering Dept. / Oceanographic Systems Lab
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Woods Hole, MA 02543, USA
Richard H. Miller
|>
|> Marine Engineering is a profession which requires a broad knowledge of
|> all engineering practices pertaining to the building, maintaining and
|> retro-fitting of all types of sea-going and coastal vessels. The
|> world's shipping companies employ over 150,000 sea-going marine
|> engineers and many shore-based engineers. The proposed newsgroup is
|> intended for the sharing of knowledge in such a diverse working
|> environment.
|>
|> for marine engineers to utilise.
|>
|> The newsgroup sci.engr caters for engineering in general which is too
|> broad a topic for marine engineers to use. The majority of traffic
|> through this group tends to be mechanical and civil engineering. The
|> newsgroup sci.engr.marine.hydrodynamics is an area that is far too
|> specific for marine engineers use. The newsgroup
|> misc.transport.marine caters for the business side of marine transport
|> which would not be suitable.
But what evidence do you have that there is even any interest on the net
about this topic? How much current traffic in either sci.engr or
misc.transport.marine would have been posted to this group? Is there a
mailing list about the topic?
Unless you can demonstrate some real interest, I class this in the category
of "build the newsgroup and traffic will appear" and unless there is some
evidence of interest on the net, I plan on voting no
Natalie Ramsey
Lance Baker (la...@enternet.com.au) wrote:
: RATIONALE: sci.engr.marine.misc
[snip]
: At present there is no newsgroup similar to this proposed newsgroup
: for marine engineers to utilise.
What kind of Usenet or mailing list traffic is there currently on
general marine engineering topics?
Blessings,
Natalie
--
Natalie Overstreet Ramsey - <nat...@col.hp.com> - ** I don't speak for HP **
Upon the advice of my attorney, my .sig has no comment at this time.
Joe Miante
I am a Marine Classification Surveyor and Flag Inspector with a USCG and
maritime academy
background.
I would like to see a marine enginering news group added.
Proposed additional topics:
Surveying - large vessels
Repair topics
Marine Safety - Crew, Training, Equipment
Paul Wezenberg
la...@enternet.com.au (Lance Baker) wrote:
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> unmoderated group sci.engr.marine.misc
[.......]
>At present there is no newsgroup similar to this proposed newsgroup
>for marine engineers to utilise.
>The newsgroup sci.engr caters for engineering in general which is too
>broad a topic for marine engineers to use. The majority of traffic
>through this group tends to be mechanical and civil engineering. The
>newsgroup sci.engr.marine.hydrodynamics is an area that is far too
>specific for marine engineers use. The newsgroup
>misc.transport.marine caters for the business side of marine transport
>which would not be suitable.
What's wrong with the existing group sci.engr.marine?
Greetz, Paul.
Jonathan Grobe
standard group creation procedures.
--
Jonathan Grobe <gr...@netins.net>
William Rourke
la...@enternet.com.au (Lance Baker) wrote:
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> unmoderated group sci.engr.marine.misc
>This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
>world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup sci.engr.marine.misc. This is
>not a Call For Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural
>details are below.
>Newsgroup line:
>sci.engr.marine.misc Marine Engineering discussion.
>RATIONALE: sci.engr.marine.misc
>Marine Engineering is a profession which requires a broad knowledge of
>all engineering practices pertaining to the building, maintaining and
>retro-fitting of all types of sea-going and coastal vessels. The
>world's shipping companies employ over 150,000 sea-going marine
>engineers and many shore-based engineers. The proposed newsgroup is
>intended for the sharing of knowledge in such a diverse working
>environment.
>At present there is no newsgroup similar to this proposed newsgroup
>for marine engineers to utilise.
>The newsgroup sci.engr caters for engineering in general which is too
>broad a topic for marine engineers to use. The majority of traffic
>through this group tends to be mechanical and civil engineering. The
>newsgroup sci.engr.marine.hydrodynamics is an area that is far too
>specific for marine engineers use. The newsgroup
>misc.transport.marine caters for the business side of marine transport
>which would not be suitable.
>CHARTER: sci.engr.marine.misc
>This will be an unmoderated newsgroup. It will be open to discussion
>of all engineering practices pertaining to the building, maintaining
>and retro-fitting of all types of sea-going and coastal
>vessels. Specific topics may include but are not limited to:
>+ Slow, Medium and High Speed Diesel Engines
>+ Steam and Gas Turbines
>+ Steam Generation Plants
>+ Electrical and Electronic Systems
>+ Fuel and Lubricating Oil Analysis and Purification
>+ Water Treatment - Boiler, SW, CCW, Potable
>+ Hull, Cargo Tank and Ballast Tank Protection
>+ Tankers, Naval, Dredging, Towage, Heavy Lift, Etc.
>Binaries and messages that advertise products not related to marine
>engineering are banned. On-topic advertising is limited to once per
>week.
>END CHARTER.
>PROCEDURE:
>This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
>of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
>should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for
>a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
>proposal is posted to news.announce,newsgroups), after which a Call
>For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
>discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this
>happens.
>All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
>This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
>guidelines outlined in "how to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
>to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
>documents (available in news.announce,newsgroups) if you have any
>questions about the process.
>DISTRIBUTION:
>This RFD has been posted to the following groups:
>news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, sci.engr,
>sci.engr.marine.hydrodynamics, misc.transport.marine
>Proponent: Lance Baker <la...@enternet.com.au>
This seems a useful proposal with many potential contributors and
readers. There are world wide professional groups with interests in
this field including particularly the London based Institute of Marine
Engineers and the US based Society of Marine Engineers and Naval
Architects. A new society the Maritime Engineering Society of
Australia has just been formed.
Bill Rourke
Shawn William Reiss
(RFD)
A newsgroup for Marine Engineering on the proposed topics
would and could be a fantastic tool. I have spent too
much time weeding through irrelevant and unrelated topics
to gain snippets of information already.
I hope it becomes a reality soon!
Shawn William Reiss
Shawn William Reiss
Shawn William Reiss
Joe Bernstein
In article <848529...@uunet.uu.net>, la...@enternet.com.au (Lance
Baker) wrote:
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> unmoderated group sci.engr.marine.misc
[snip]
>RATIONALE: sci.engr.marine.misc
>
>Marine Engineering is a profession which requires a broad knowledge of
>all engineering practices pertaining to the building, maintaining and
>retro-fitting of all types of sea-going and coastal vessels. The
>world's shipping companies employ over 150,000 sea-going marine
>engineers and many shore-based engineers. The proposed newsgroup is
>intended for the sharing of knowledge in such a diverse working
>environment.
>
>At present there is no newsgroup similar to this proposed newsgroup
>for marine engineers to utilise.
>
>The newsgroup sci.engr caters for engineering in general which is too
>broad a topic for marine engineers to use. The majority of traffic
>through this group tends to be mechanical and civil engineering. The
>newsgroup sci.engr.marine.hydrodynamics is an area that is far too
>specific for marine engineers use. The newsgroup
>misc.transport.marine caters for the business side of marine transport
>which would not be suitable.
There are currently 25 posts on my news spool for
sci.engr.marine.hydrodynamics. The spool was replaced quite near 11/1,
but I think the expire times are 14 days for sci.*.
I see no reason for the existence of a newsgroup this small. At the
least, this proposal should offer to rename it to sci.engr.marine, unless
someone can cogently explain *why* hydrodynamics and the rest of marine
engineering must not mix. Preferably, this proposal should separately
offer to remove sci.engr.marine.hydrodynamics, and to create
sci.engr.marine; then, I could vote against both groups.
What people normally do prior to starting a Big 8 newsgroup is either
start a mailing list, or start an alt.* group. I'm glad this proposal has
gotten a number of people to post in support of it; I'd recommend you
start the mailing list with them, and also notify the real-world
professional organisations cited.
Usenet newsgroups do not have to reflect real-world importance. I have
three different medical conditions which warp my life; only one has a Big
8 newsgroup, while I started the mailing list for another myself.
If there really is a mailing list somewhere, and it's just that nobody's
been clueful enough to mention it yet, how many posts does it get per week
or day, and how many subscribers does it have?
Joe Bernstein
PS If sci.engr.marine.hydrodynamics is less than six months old, no
proposal may be posted to remove it, and my remarks on that should be
ignored. I'm not sure whether it is or not.
--
Joe Bernstein, free-lance writer and bookstore worker j...@sfbooks.com
speaking for myself and nobody else http://www.tezcat.com/~josephb/
Shawn William Reiss
RFD sound like a good idea.
I would like to hear more about this.
Phantom.....