2nd RFD: comp.databases.mysql
William Drew
unmoderated group comp.databases.mysql
This is an invitation to discuss the following proposal to create newsgroup
comp.databases.mysql. Please note that YOU CANNOT VOTE NOW; you may be
able to vote on a version of this proposal later. See the PROCEDURE section
below if you need information about how the discussion works.
PLEASE POST ANY FOLLOWUPS TO THE NEWSGROUP NEWS.GROUPS.
Newsgroup line:
comp.databases.mysql MySQL RDBMS technical discussions.
CHANGES from previous RFD:
Minor changes in syntax have been made to the newsgroup line, rationale, and
charter sections of this proposal.
RATIONALE: comp.databases.mysql
MySQL is a relational database server that is finding increasingly wide
acceptance as a back end solution for developing data-driven web sites and
applications.
There is no dedicated newsgroup for MySQL in the comp.* hierarchy and, as a
result, most of the discussions of MySQL take place in the comp.lang.php
newsgroup. This is unsatisfactory because MySQL is not in any intrinsic way
related to the PHP language, and users of MySQL who do not use it in
conjunction with PHP front ends are unlikely to know to look for discussions
of MySQL there. In addition, discussion of issues related to MySQL but not
to PHP are off-topic for comp.lang.php. A new group specifically for MySQL
would offer a place where all users of MySQL could participate without
risking being off-topic for the group and where all users of MySQL could
easily discover the group.
CHARTER: comp.databases.mysql
This newsgroup comp.databases.mysql is a forum for technical discussion of
the MySQL relational database management system. All topics that pertain to
using, learning, developing, maintaining or improving MySQL are on-topic in
this newsgroup.
Posting of advertising and/or promotional material of any kind to
comp.databases.mysql is explicitly prohibited. Posting of binaries is not
permitted, with the exception of small binary components in otherwise
non-binary postings, such as PGP signatures or X-Face headers. Posts must
be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly formatted messages are
prohibited
END CHARTER.
PROCEDURE
When an RFD appears, it begins a process called the newsgroup creation
process. The first stage of that process is the discussion period, and
that's the stage that's now in effect.
During the discussion period, the object is indeed to discuss whether this
proposal should be enacted, and to discuss any potential problems with it
and how to resolve them. Because the RFD has a Followup-To header pointing
to news.groups, discussion will be posted there. Therefore, if you want to
be heard in the discussion, you should post your own posts in news.groups
too. Similarly, if you want to read the discussion, you should be prepared
to read it in news.groups.
During the discussion period, the proponents may issue new drafts of the
proposal, perhaps with major changes: "2nd RFD", "3rd RFD", etc. Please do
not assume that these will be the same as this draft; please make a point of
reading each, if you wish to avoid surprises.
Following the discussion period, there may be a second stage, called a
voting period. This cannot begin until 21 days after the first RFD, *and*
10 days after the last RFD. The proponents decide whether to ask for a
voting period. If a voting period is requested by the proponents, then a
neutral vote taker will post a Call For Votes, or CFV, whose appearance
begins the voting period. The CFV will contain instructions on how to go
about voting. You cannot vote until the CFV appears. If you want to be
sure of seeing any CFV, but you don't want to read the discussion, you may
wish to subscribe to news.announce.newgroups, a low-volume group consisting
mostly of RFDs, CFVs, and related posts.
For further information about this process, please see "Guidelines for Big
Eight Newsgroup Creation" in news.announce.newgroups. This post tries to
obey all guidelines in that post and in "How to Format and Submit a New
Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents if you have further
questions.
DISTRIBUTION:
The RFD has been posted directly to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
comp.lang.php
alt.php.sql
alt.php
Pointer messages to this RFD will be posted to:
comp.databases
alt.comp.lang.php
mailing.database.mysql
Proponent: Gary L. Burnore <gbur...@databasix.com>
Proponent: William Drew <bwr...@hotmail.com>
Bill Aten
unmoderated group comp.databases.mysql
Newsgroups line:
comp.databases.mysql MySQL RDBMS technical discussions.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 5 Sep 2005.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about
the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Gary L. Burnore <gbur...@databasix.com>
Proponent: William Drew <bwr...@hotmail.com>
Votetaker: Bill Aten <bi...@netagw.com>
RATIONALE: comp.databases.mysql
CHARTER: comp.databases.mysql
similarly formatted messages are prohibited.
END CHARTER.
HOW TO VOTE:
In order to vote on this proposal you will first need to request a registered
ballot. This is accomplished by sending an email to the address specified
below from the email account that you intend to use when you submit the ballot
for processing. The Subject: and body of the message does not matter. They
can both be blank (preferred) if your software will allow that.
PLEASE, do not send this entire message back to me as this mail is archived.
Mail your ballot request to: <mysql-...@netagw.com>
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.
When your email message is received, a reply message will be sent to you with
further instructions regarding how to vote. You will also receive a copy of
the CFV which will contain a ballot that is registered for use only for this
CFV, and only when submitted from the exact same address that originally
requested it.
IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:
Standard Guidelines for voting apply. Only one vote per person, no
more than one vote per account. Votes must be mailed directly from
the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes
are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered
to be anonymous votes.
Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker
about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote
is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of
the most recent valid vote. Names, addresses, and votes of all voters
will be published in the final voting RESULT posting.
DO NOT redistribute this CFV in any manner whatsoever. The purpose of
a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would
read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties
defeats this purpose. Only the votetaker, the news.announce.newgroups
moderator, and the proponent (if specifically authorized by the votetaker)
are permitted to distribute copies of this CFV.
Distribution of pre-marked or otherwise modified copies of this CFV is
generally considered voting fraud and should be reported immediately to
the votetaker or the UVV <con...@uvv.org>. In cases where voting fraud
is determined to have occurred, it is standard operating procedure to
delete ALL votes submitted by the violator. When in doubt, ask the
votetaker.
DISTRIBUTION:
The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the locations listed
below, the UVV web site at http://www.uvv.org/, and the votetaker's e-mail
CFV server which can be reached at <mysql-cf...@netagw.com>.
This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
alt.php
alt.php.sql
comp.lang.php
Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these newsgroups:
alt.comp.lang.php
comp.databases
mailing.database.mysql
A pointer message will also appear on the following mailing list:
Mailing list name: MySQL General Discussion
Submission address: my...@lists.mysql.com
Bill Aten
unmoderated group comp.databases.mysql
RATIONALE: comp.databases.mysql
CHARTER: comp.databases.mysql
END CHARTER.
HOW TO VOTE:
IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:
DISTRIBUTION:
alt.comp.lang.php
comp.databases
mailing.database.mysql
comp.databases.mysql - Ack Bounce List
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No bounced acknowledgments at this time
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Bill Aten, UVV <bi...@netagw.com>
Bill Aten
unmoderated group comp.databases.mysql passes 63:3
Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 5 Sep 2005.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Gary L. Burnore <gbur...@databasix.com>
Proponent: William Drew <bwr...@hotmail.com>
Votetaker: Bill Aten <bi...@netagw.com>
There were 66 valid YES/NO votes submitted during the voting period. Each
proposed newsgroup, in order to pass, must have at least 2/3 YES votes and at
least 50 more YES than NO votes. The results are as follows:
comp.databases.mysql results - 66 valid (YES & NO) votes
Yes No : 2/3? >50? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ---- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
63 3 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.databases.mysql
4 abstaining votes and 2 invalid votes
The proposal passed.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
serious and significant allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the newsgroup shortly
thereafter.
The remainder of the RESULT contains:
Newsgroups Line
Rationale
Charter
Ballot Submission Irregularities
Final Voting Acknowledgements
NEWSGROUPS LINE:
comp.databases.mysql MySQL RDBMS technical discussions.
RATIONALE: comp.databases.mysql
CHARTER: comp.databases.mysql
END CHARTER.
BALLOT SUBMISSION IRREGULARITIES:
Ballots invalidated: 6
6 - Anonymous vote - true source of vote anonymised
(Note: Anonymous voters were notified of the problem and reminded that
they could request a new ballot using a different email address)
Ballots ignored: 2
2 - Registered ballot submitted from unregistered email address
FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:
comp.databases.mysql - Final Voter List
NOTE: This is not [to be used as] a mailing list. The email addresses
are provided only to help verify the validity of the interest poll.
Voted YES
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aahz%pobox/cmo Aahz
andy%andyh/co~ku Andy Hassall
bl#ckdog=co|ku Geoff Berrow
bouvin!daimi#au*kd Niels Olof Bouvin
bryand!grics#nte Bryan Dunphy
bwr607!hotmail$cmo Woodchuck Bill
ceri%submonkey$nte Ceri Davies
chris^txbarnes$cmo Chris Barnes
claudel?sonic~nte Claude V. Lucas
cnw+usenet/pobox$cmo Neil Woods
dburrell=doren$nte Doren Burrell
de5-dated-1124628991'769611!sws5=ornl~gvo Dave Sill
deepgeek=bestweb$nte Scotty Fitzgerald
devnull?vianet$ac Trevor Tymchuk
dsc!korana/cmo David Cartwright
dwolff!panix#cmo David Wolff
esquel!sommarskog^es Erland Sommarskog
ferricequine#comcast'nte tinplated
fredrik?myrealbox^cmo Fredrik Jonson
gburnore=databasix*cmo Gary L. Burnore
googlespam/nastysoft'cmo Steve Anderson
graham!drabble$me^ku Graham Drabble
gsmith^alum/rpi$eud George Smith
herveus!radix#nte Michael Houghton
hpoberlin=hispeed$hc Hanspeter 'Happl' Oberlin
hungerf3?house~ofdoom'cmo Jeff Hungerford
jeroen^pkmn/ln Jeroen te Strake
jerry%smartechhomes*cmo Jerry Stuckle
jik#kamens'brookline?ma%su Jonathan Kamens
kenrbnsn?rbnsn~cmo Ken Robinson
kevin%insurgent$ogr Kevin A. Cannon
kkeller!speakeasy$nte Keith Keller
kowallek?iglou~cmo Dennis Kowallek
ljaques!diversify$cmo Larry Jaques
me~mark!atwood~anem Mark Atwood
michael!gravityspike?cmo Michael Phipps
mikael^segercrantz^pp1/inet#if Mikael Segercrantz
mikecoxlinux|yahoo^cmo mike cox
mirwin^fas'harvard^eud Mark Irwin
nicolesgrumpy#aol$cmo Doug O'Brien
packbart?frell~ambush'ed Hauke Lampe
pan#syix?cmo Pan
patrick!texier~niof Patrick Texier
pete!fenelon|cmo Pete Fenelon
ph~anweald'co#ku Patrick Herring
phil!rahul'nte Phil Gustafson
phillipjmartin~optusnet%com#ua Phil Martin
pjr#pjr-online~fsnet?co%ku Peter J Ross
psmyth^gmx'nte Peter Smyth
rnews%river/cmo Richard Johnson
robbwantstovote$gatornews|nte Robb
ronrhodes=glowinternet/nte Ron Rhodes
simon%darkmere~gen^zn Simon Lyall
thejo%gmx=nte Joachim Weiss
thor!anta=nte Thor Kottelin
timpart!perdix~demon?co%ku Timothy Partridge
tskirvin?killfile$ogr Tim Skirvin
usenet-vote/listmail?good-stuff!co'ku Mark Goodge
vm9p8lm02=sneakemail?cmo David Harmon
vpdura^hiwaay#nte Vic Dura
wolfgang?lyxys~ka$sub'ogr Wolfgang Zenker
ymulakaj?yahoo~rf Yves Mulakaj
zen19725?zen|co$ku Philip Hunt
Voted NO
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ellis%spinics#nte Rick Ellis
gprrspw!mindspring^cmo G.P. Ryan
stainles?realtime$nte Dwight Brown
Voted ABSTAIN
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mbeaudoin=scintrextrace%cmo Marcel Beaudoin
mmontcha?oregonvos^nte Matthew Montchalin
van#ette?inter~nl$nte Robert-Jan van Ette
wwfiv%comcast#nte William W. Farley IV
Invalid Votes
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eridani!databasix$cmo
! No name given
support!shared-secrets/cmo Robb
! Invalid/Non-personal address
Bill Aten
unmoderated group comp.databases.mysql fails 63:3
Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 5 Sep 2005.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Gary L. Burnore <gbur...@databasix.com>
Proponent: William Drew <bwr...@hotmail.com>
Votetaker: Bill Aten <bi...@netagw.com>
There were 66 valid YES/NO votes submitted during the voting period. Each
proposed newsgroup, in order to pass, must have at least 2/3 YES votes and at
least 100 more YES than NO votes. The results are as follows:
comp.databases.mysql results - 66 valid (YES & NO) votes
Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
63 3 : Yes No : No : comp.databases.mysql
4 abstaining votes and 2 invalid votes
The proposal failed.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious and significant allegations of voting irregularities are
raised, the proposal may not be voted on again for six months.