2nd RFD: rec.motorcycles.cruisers
Curtis D. Levin
unmoderated group rec.motorcycles.cruisers
This is a formal request for discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
world wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup rec.motorcycles.cruisers.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Proceedural details are below.
CHANGES from previous RFD:
Reformatted Rationale to include more specific information on purpose.
Reformatted charter to include Questions of a technical nature, and
added rules governing posting.
Newsgroup line:
rec.motorcycles.cruisers All marques of Cruising motorcycles.
RATIONALE: rec.motorcycles.cruisers
This group is necessary to fill a void existing between
rec.motorcycles, and rec.motorcycles.harley. Both of the
aforementioned groups are mostly specific to other types of
motorcycles, and, as a result, the signal to noise ratio of these
groups are rather extreme. Trying to include off-topic postings or
cover too broad an area, these groups are currently both inundated
with threads that sometimes far exceed the normal postings of the
groups, discussing subject matter which may be considered to be
relatively out of their spectre. Alt.motorcycles.harley is also
plagued by off-topic postings, and due to the fact that cruising
motorcycles of all makes are becoming rather popular, the number of
threads encompassing this topic is growing daily. Therefore,
rec.motorcycles.cruisers is proposed to direct this traffic to a
specific and on-topic newsgroup.
CHARTER: rec.motorcycles.cruisers
This group is for the discussion of all types of cruising motorcycles,
regardless of marque, displacement, or style. It is neither a
sportbike forum, nor specifically a technical discussion, but
questions of a technical nature may be posted. However, due to the
fact that this group covers a vast array of motorcycle types and
makes, answers to these questions cannot be guaranteed. The main
function of this group is to openly compare types of motorcycles in
the Cruiser genre, relay stories, information about riding tips,
general observations, and discussions of the best type of cruising
motorcycle for an individual based on personal preference and
conditions, without prejudice.
We ask you to please refrain from posting binaries, HTML, MIME encoded
messages, or any other type of encoding that requires more than a
standard text based newsreader. This will standardize the group
format, and make reading the newsgroup a more pleasurable
experience. Please quote relevant text of the message you are replying
to, since newsgroup propagation may sometimes make a message
undecipherable without it.
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PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.
DISTRIBUTION:
This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
news.groups, news.announce.newgroups, rec.motorcycles,
rec.motorcycles.harley, alt.motorcycles.harley.
Proponent: Curtis D. Levin <cdl...@dialisdn.com>
Neil Crellin
unmoderated group rec.motorcycles.cruisers
This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be
posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.
Newsgroups line:
rec.motorcycles.cruisers All types of cruising motorcycles.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 19 Jul 1999.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Curtis D. Levin <cdl...@dialisdn.com>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <ne...@wallaby.cc>
RATIONALE: rec.motorcycles.cruisers
This newsgroup is being created to ease the traffic in other
motorcycle groups and to unite the cruising motorcyclists in
an area of common understanding, without prejudice against
marque. This will help the motorcycle community as
a whole, and promote brotherhood and friendship across
all boundaries of motorcycling.
CHARTER: rec.motorcycles.cruisers
This newsgroup is a text only newsgroup, and postings will
be conducted in English. Requests in other languages may be
honored if somone else is present who perhaps speaks the language.
Please refrain from posting binaries, HTML, Mime or any other
encoded messages.
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Neil Crellin
unmoderated group rec.motorcycles.cruisers
RATIONALE: rec.motorcycles.cruisers
CHARTER: rec.motorcycles.cruisers
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rec.motorcycles.cruisers Bounce List - Please contact me about your vote
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dabou@nospam_bigfoot.com Daniel Boutin
lenbradn...@home.com Len Bradner
rahman...@sapura.rt.sapura.po.my Abdulrahman Jamaluddin
Neil Crellin
unmoderated group rec.motorcycles.cruisers fails 109:18
There were 109 YES votes and 18 NO votes, for a total of 127 valid
votes. There was 1 invalid ballot.
For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid
(YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes
than NO votes.
A five day discussion period follows this announcement. Unless
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group
may not be voted on again for six months.
Newsgroups line:
rec.motorcycles.cruisers All types of cruising motorcycles.
The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 19 Jul 1999.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Curtis D. Levin <cdl...@dialisdn.com>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <ne...@wallaby.cc>
RATIONALE: rec.motorcycles.cruisers
This newsgroup is being created to ease the traffic in other
motorcycle groups and to unite the cruising motorcyclists in
an area of common understanding, without prejudice against
marque. This will help the motorcycle community as
a whole, and promote brotherhood and friendship across
all boundaries of motorcycling.
CHARTER: rec.motorcycles.cruisers
This newsgroup is a text only newsgroup, and postings will
be conducted in English. Requests in other languages may be
honored if somone else is present who perhaps speaks the language.
Please refrain from posting binaries, HTML, Mime or any other
encoded messages.
END CHARTER.
rec.motorcycles.cruisers Final Voter list
NOTE: This is not [to be used as] a mailing list. The email addresses
are posted only to help verify the interest poll. Thank you.
Voted YES
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dany.steyaert [at] ping.be Dany Steyaert
trevort [at] inorth.on.ca Trevor Tymchuk
darcy [at] hobbes.chem.ualberta.ca Darcy B. Hager
ken.podlaszewski [at] ansys.com Ken Podlaszewski
draginit [at] aol.com M. Feculator
FLHRCI [at] aol.com William Blair
Hemipower [at] aol.com Mark Turner
Homereker1 [at] aol.com
smoking357 [at] aol.com Brian P. Sweeney
snarl67 [at] aol.com Snarl
kimdv [at] best.com Kim DeVaughn
dabou [at] bigfoot.com Daniel Boutin
gannet [at] cftnet.com Dave Bird
eridani [at] databasix.com Belinda
gburnore [at] databasix.com Gary L. Burnore
cdlevin [at] dialisdn.com Curtis D. Levin
roda [at] dimensional.com Rod Anderson
cosmiccharlie [at] erols.com Chuck Shotwell
cpharvey [at] erols.com Chris Harvey
mcclenon [at] erols.com Bob McClenon
roymary [at] erols.com Roy Skakum
flea [at] freewheeling.com Rick Seeboth
gagliano [at] huey.rel.semi.harris.com George N. Gagliano
dirtyharry [at] home.com Harry Kelder
haguewood [at] home.com Jordon Haguewood
jloda [at] home.com Joe Loda
karl_fengler [at] am.exch.hp.com Karl Fengler
georges [at] sr.hp.com George Stevenson
hollyking [at] inetarena.com Brendan Van Horn
dcovell [at] pcocd2.intel.com David Covell
stacia [at] io.com Stacia Kissick
chris [at] kzim.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman
tathnos [at] LSIJAX.COM Tom Athnos
marchant [at] marinternet.com Jon Marchant
redmari [at] metronet.com Mark Singer
shovelheadchuck [at] mindspring.com Charles M. VanderPorten
tomdean [at] mindspring.com TOM DEAN
jjfpi [at] email.msn.com Joe Fazio
snag_one [at] email.msn.com Terry L Coombs
too-hip [at] msn.com Richard Spear
steve [at] dweeb.mv.com Steve Tuttle
stu [at] valinor.mythical.com Stu Labovitz
jreynolds [at] net-gate.com John Reynolds
sburns [at] neta.com Scott Burns
sanders [at] netcom.com R. J. Sanders
idorgan [at] onr.com John B. Dorgan
pkind [at] au.oracle.com wal king
adkins.ds [at] pg.com Delaine Adkins
allen-1 [at] pobox.com Allen-1
rstevahn [at] pobox.com Robert Stevahn
stephg [at] pobox.com Steph Greenberg
jirsak [at] poboxes.com jirsak
EShanks01 [at] sceinet.com Edward G. Shanks
ry [at] teleport.com Ryan Gavin
dougob [at] the-spa.com Doug O'Brien
Richard.Johns [at] trw.com Richard B. Johns
scoath [at] visteon.com Steve Coath
cbristow [at] voicenet.com Chuck Bristow
odinn [at] asgaard.wolfcrews.com Jim Sloan
wolfanger [at] wolfcrews.com Jeffrey Sick
torex [at] kholdan.snafu.de Tobias Erle
bouvin [at] daimi.au.dk Niels Olof Bouvin
vanhook [at] asu.edu Barry L. Van Hook
takimoto [at] uclink4.berkeley.edu MARTY TAKIMOTO
carolee [at] expert.cc.purdue.edu Carolee Barker
rneff [at] rush.edu Ron Neff
bfenton [at] stanford.edu Rebecca Fenton
grosser [at] uiuc.edu Ben
sdonoh1 [at] gl.umbc.edu Scott C. Donohue
omar [at] math.umd.edu Omar Lakkis
malmevik [at] u.washington.edu Thomas O. Malmevik,R.T.
rufinus [at] mbe.ece.wisc.edu J Rufinus
jtl [at] iki.fi Jari T Lehtonen
rahmanj [at] sapura.rt.sapura.po.my Abdulrahman Jamaluddin
tov [at] altavista.net Mike Craig
rlmacdon [at] worldnet.att.net Rick MacDonald
drsi [at] bellsouth.net David Smalley
greasyrider [at] bellsouth.net Bill Barham
jrace [at] bitstorm.net Jonathan Race
ichiman [at] bright.net William Diederich
bogie [at] ecc-uky.campuscwix.net R J Borchert
jasper [at] cei.net Hunter Brown
putt [at] cobweb.net Ray Zaney (aka Putt)
flagcom [at] mail.conx.net Tom Price
jmark [at] digital.net J. Mark Robertson
robert [at] digitaldune.net Robert J La Londe
dynazel [at] earthlink.net Dana Terrill
ticeis [at] earthlink.net Jodie Tice
tjsrich [at] flash.net Todd Richmond
hanaway [at] gate.net Tom Hanaway
outback [at] mhonline.net Jonathan S. Gould
cll2 [at] micron.net Chuck Lanter
Patrick.Larkin [at] MindSpring.net Patrick Larkin Jr
bert [at] nottowayez.net T. R. Silverman
bfuzb [at] poser.net Bruce Beyer
dcochran [at] shore.net David Cochran
blrman [at] swbell.net Doni Lucero
wcrisp [at] chatham.tds.net William Crisp
emlphoto [at] telusplanet.net Gene L
RoadDog [at] usit.net Jack A. Hunt
buzzdean [at] wctc.net Buzz Dean
allynn1940514xl [at] webtv.net Alan Gideon
johnnyrw [at] webtv.net John Williamson
jcsmith [at] yorkinternet.net John C. Smith Jr.
holm [at] ziplink.net Juliana L. Holm
pwillen [at] swipnet.se Par Willen
a.c.pugh [at] sheffield.ac.uk andy the pugh
bob [at] rjbphoto.demon.co.uk
glenys [at] tgis.co.uk Glenys Williams
Voted NO
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flhs1990 [at] aol.com Scott Rogers
jeremymcm1 [at] aol.com Jeremy M. McMillan
valeriepg [at] aol.com Valerie Romano
peDANtic [at] best.com Dan Nitschke
stainles [at] bga.com Dwight Brown
davidbath [at] bigfoot.com David E. Bath
tzracer [at] execpc.com Brian McLaughlin
celticwiccan [at] hotmail.com Peter Byron
jesp [at] hotmail.com Eugenio Sanchez
gprrspw [at] mindspring.com G.P. Ryan
panhead [at] monmouth.com Ken Frenchu
olav [at] viking.mv.com olav Nieuwejaar
rbenn [at] ix.netcom.com Randy Bennett
Ekkehard.Uthke [at] gmx.de Ekkehard Uthke
naddy [at] mips.rhein-neckar.de Christian Weisgerber
rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller
kristian.liimatainen [at] helsinki.fi Lauri Liimatainen
ged [at] gmartin.demon.co.uk Ged Martin
Invalid votes
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lenbradneryourhat [at] home.com Len Bradner
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