Time to De-Peer NEWSFEEDS.COM (was: newsfeeds.com hosts anonymous spammers)
Anonymous
In article <7n1qp2$sv9$1...@nnrp03.primenet.com>, how...@primenet.com (Howard
Knight) wrote:
> component (elect...@my.nyet) writes:
>
> : Can someone tell me if this company DOES take action against
> : abusers?
YES we do. Newsfeeds.com does not tolerate any form of spamming of our
servers. All it takes is one complaint and action is taken to stop the
spamming IMMEDIATELY.
>
> As far as I can tell, they do not.
Do you have any proof of any ongoing problem that we are not aware of? If
so all you have to do is send a complaint (with full headers including the
body) to "ab...@newsfeeds.com" You will receive an auto reply notifying
you that your complaint has been received. In addition you will receive a
follow up within 24 hours notifying you that action has been taken to stop
who ever it is that is abusing our service.
>They only "add filters".
What is wrong with that? It prevents them from spamming, and coming back
under a different username and spam again. Should we cut off there hands
maybe?
We take what ever action is necessary to stop any spammers dead in their
tracks. If they are advertising a web address, we prevent then from
posting that web address. We add filters for this the INSTANT we get a
complaint. If they are posting pictures, or just being obnoxious, then we
take away their posting privileges. It is that simple. There is no need to
cancel any ones account, if the abuse they have been committing has been
put to an end.
Lately,
> the situation there has gotten completely out of hand.
Proof please :-) Just send a copy of the post to "ab...@newsfeeds.com" and
it will be taken care of promptly. That simple. We have allot better abuse
department then many ISP's and news services out there. If you took the
time to send us reports, then you would have nothing to complain about.
We now have
> Jerry Nardini and Noel Westerlind (as well as dozens of other spammers)
Proof Please :-) If you are referring to any spam that was sent out
previously, then it has already been taken care of. Again send everything
you got to "ab...@Newsfeeds.com". We guarantee you and anyone else who
sends us abuse complaints, that the abuse in question will be halted
immediately. For every complaint you send us, you will receive a reply that
we received it, and a reply that it has been taken care of.
For every ones information, we have only received "ONE" complaint from
Howard in the last Month.
You can see a copy of his complaint below. It was in regards to one of our
users who signed up with the username "andyamos" The minute we received the
complaint, his posting access was taken away.
I challenge anyone to find a post with this user account after July 8th.
So you can see Howards claim here has no merit. If we are such a spam
haven, then why have we only received one complaint from him in the last
month.
Ask Andrew Gierth. He sends us complaints on a semi-regular basis. Each and
everyone is acted upon immediately and he is notified the same day.
> campped out there. 'Course, what would you expect from a site owned
> by Jerry "Spamzilla" Reynolds?
>
> Here are the upstream sites that I could find:
>
> cyclone.bc.net
> east1.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net
> ihug.co.nz
> news-out.visi.com
> news.interpacket.net
> news.usenetserver.com (also needs a de-peering)
> newsfeed.enteract.com
> newsfeed.icl.net
> newsfeed.wirehub.nl
> newsout.pdxfiber.net
>
> It's high time we remove newsfeeds.com from Usenet. They are most
> definatly rogue.
>
> Howard
Again, we are here to work with you and we welcome your abuse complaints.
If a spammer signs up online with us, he/she will learn very quickly that
his posting access will be short lived.
Thank You
Newsfeeds.com
BTW: If any of you still don't believe we take care of abusers, then let us
know. Send an e-mail to "ab...@newsfeeds.com". we will be more then happy
to help you :-)
Also Howard, if you have any proof of any ongoing problem, you will need to
send it to "ab...@newsfeeds.com" If you post it here, we will not see it as
we do not read this group very much. Have yourself and OUTSTANDING day!!!!
Howards One complaint in the last month:
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:06:35 -0700 (MST)
From: Howard Knight <how...@primenet.com>
To: ab...@netcom.com, ab...@newsfeeds.com
Subject: Forgery/Spam from Your Site!
Cc: da...@LAST.COM, hostm...@RAPIDSITE.NET, webm...@LAST.COM
X-Rcpt-To: <ab...@newsfeeds.com>
X-DPOP: DPOP Version 2.5c
Status: U
[This is also being sent to LAST.COM as a courtesy to let them know
of the forgery of their domain name]
Dear Newsfeeds and Netcom,
The attached report is of spam that was posted by one of your
customers. These posts are substantially identical and exceed the
spam threshold. The spam threshold is described here:
<http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~tskirvin/faqs/spam.html>
I have issued cancels for these posts.
Also, The "From" line in these posts are forgeries of the domain name
LAST.COM. Here is a sample of one of the posts:
| Newsgroups: alt.svens,alt.fan.air,alt.oyp.norp
| From: tr...@last.com (cheerybye)
| Subject: Re: just for kicks - 1strek.jpg (1/1)
| References: <l_0h3.9475$s%1.299...@rmnws01.ce.mediaone.net>
| X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01
| X-No-Archive: Yes
| Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:05:32 GMT
| NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.110.236.166
| Message-ID: <3784...@news.newsfeeds.com>
| X-Trace: 8 Jul 1999 12:03:42 -0500, 209.110.236.166
| Lines: 7
| X-Authenticated-User: andyamos
| X-Report: Report abuse to ab...@newsfeeds.com
| X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers,
| INCLUDING the body
| X-Abuse-Info2: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint
| properly
| Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 73,000+
| UNCENSORED Newsgroups.
| Path: newstank.sol.net!newsfeeds.sol.net!news.execpc.com!
| newspeer.sol.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.bc.net!
| feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!news.newsfeeds.com!
| newsfeeds.com!default
|
| Please do not cross-post into alt.svens. We are an exclusive and
| dedicated
| poster newsgroup, so have fun elsewhere.
|
|
| -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==-
| ---------
| http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the
| World!
| ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries
| Servers ==-----
Please take appropriate action against your abusive customer.
Regards,
Howard
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s.com!news.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!default
Subject: Re: just for kicks - 1strek.jpg (1/1)
From: tr...@last.com (cheerybye)
Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 73,000+ UNCENSORED
Newsgroups.
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:05:32 GMT
Message-ID: <3784...@news.newsfeeds.com>
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Newsgroups: alt.svens,alt.fan.air,alt.oyp.norp
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Subject: Re: just for kicks - enterp~1.jpg (1/1)
From: tr...@last.com (cheerybye)
Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 73,000+ UNCENSORED
Newsgroups.
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:07:13 GMT
Message-ID: <3784...@news.newsfeeds.com>
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Subject: Re: just for kicks - poster.jpg (1/1)
From: tr...@last.com (cheerybye)
Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 73,000+ UNCENSORED
Newsgroups.
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:08:05 GMT
Message-ID: <3784...@news.newsfeeds.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.110.236.166
Newsgroups: alt.svens,alt.fan.air,alt.oyp.norp
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efault
Subject: Re: just for kicks - art_no2.jpg (1/1)
From: tr...@last.com (cheerybye)
Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 73,000+ UNCENSORED
Newsgroups.
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:04:34 GMT
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1 Re: just for kicks - 1strek.jpg (1/1)
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1 Re: just for kicks - poster.jpg (1/1)
1 Re: just for kicks - art_no2.jpg (1/1)
1 Re: just for kicks - b.jpg (1/1)
1 Re: just for kicks - avenge~1.gif (1/1)
1 Re: just for kicks - anim_s~1.gif (1/1)
1 Re: just for kicks - galxpic2.jpg (1/1)
1 Re: just for kicks - fc_ship.bmp (1/1)
1 Re: just for kicks - 41.jpg (1/1)
1 Re: just for kicks - ftr1a.jpg (1/1)
1 Re: just for kicks - fire1.jpg (1/1)
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In article <7n1qp2$sv9$1...@nnrp03.primenet.com>, how...@primenet.com (Howard
Knight) wrote:
> component (elect...@my.nyet) writes:
>
> : Can someone tell me if this company DOES take action against
> : abusers?
YES we do. Newsfeeds.com does not tolerate any form of spamming of our
servers. All it takes is one complaint and action is taken to stop the
spamming IMMEDIATELY. If you have sent us a complaint, then you allready know.
Newsfeeds.com
reported one instance of abuse with us.
Does that tell you anything?
Also, Howard help us out here. Send us headers along with the body of the
spammers that have camped out with our service, so that we can deal with
them.
Again, for the quickest response time possible, send it to "ab...@newsfeeds.com"
ab...@newsfeeds.com
Hope you are having a nice evening. When I sent the first post, I forgot I
was connected to our anonymous server, from earlier in the day (testing
some filters). I wanted to post through our normal server, so I posted to
that one as well.
Your right, it was a harmless mistake. I guess I must be human or
something. I hope that did not offend you.
Take care
In article <7n38d5$o77$3...@dtbsx.databasix.com>, dont...@not.to.me.anyway wrote:
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> ya02358000200...@news.newsfeeds.com>, ab...@newsfeeds.com
> (Newsfeeds.com) wrote:
>
> >A Little side note. The person who initally started this thread has not
> >reported one instance of abuse with us.
> >
> >Does that tell you anything?
>
> Not as much as does the fact that your first post was as
> anon...@newsfeeds.com and that you followed with the exact same post as
> ab...@newsfeeds.com does.
>
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ab...@newsfeeds.com
We were looking through "news.admin.net-abuse.bulletin" at your abuse
reports. We were thinking, that maybe you may be seeing something that we
are not. So we went through your recent abuse complaints, for abusers
posting through our service. However, we could not find anything in your
recent posts that referenced our service. Obviously there must be something
or someone spamming, that persuaded you to send your original post in this
thread.
Did we miss something here? Please help us out, as we are very anxious to
stop any spammers as soon as they are detected.
Thanks for helping us out Howard. Your time and effort are really
appreaciated :-)
In article <7n1qp2$sv9$1...@nnrp03.primenet.com>, how...@primenet.com (Howard
Knight) wrote:
> component (elect...@my.nyet) writes:
>
> : Can someone tell me if this company DOES take action against
> : abusers?
>
> As far as I can tell, they do not. They only "add filters". Lately,
> the situation there has gotten completely out of hand. We now have
> Jerry Nardini and Noel Westerlind (as well as dozens of other spammers)
> campped out there. 'Course, what would you expect from a site owned
> by Jerry "Spamzilla" Reynolds?
>
> Here are the upstream sites that I could find:
>
> cyclone.bc.net
> east1.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net
> ihug.co.nz
> news-out.visi.com
> news.interpacket.net
> news.usenetserver.com (also needs a de-peering)
> newsfeed.enteract.com
> newsfeed.icl.net
> newsfeed.wirehub.nl
> newsout.pdxfiber.net
>
> It's high time we remove newsfeeds.com from Usenet. They are most
> definatly rogue.
>
> Howard
Spam
"Newsfeeds.com" wrote:
> >They only "add filters".
>
> What is wrong with that? It prevents them from spamming, and coming back
> under a different username and spam again. Should we cut off there hands
> maybe?
Only if it's legal. :-)
>
> We take what ever action is necessary to stop any spammers dead in their
> tracks. If they are advertising a web address, we prevent then from
> posting that web address. We add filters for this the INSTANT we get a
> complaint. If they are posting pictures, or just being obnoxious, then we
> take away their posting privileges. It is that simple. There is no need to
> cancel any ones account, if the abuse they have been committing has been
> put to an end.
>
This sounds like the perfect solution to me. If I understand you correctly, the user
can still post but not post their spams. And I guess it makes it impossible for
someone else to signup and post the sam spam as well.
ab...@newsfeeds.com
Yes, it works better then just cancelling an account.
Q: Why you ask?
Obviously, every spammer pretty much has one thing in common. They are
advertising something. So when you put a filter for their web address or
any bounce pages, or IP, then you prevent then spamming, and from signing
up again and spamming again. It takes us seconds to add these filters, and
they are put in place from the first complaint received. So if someone
starts spamming, they won't last very long.
Q: What if they are posting images and there are no identifying marks?
That, is easy. We take away their posting access (when we receive the first
complaint).
No more spam :-) No cancelled accounts:-) This system works out very nice
for our setup :-)
Howard Knight disagrees with this approach. He is entitled to his opinion
and we respect that.
Maybe he would be so kind as to point out the pros and cons of this
approach for all of us. Obviously there is always room for improvements.
How would you improve on this Howard? Your intelligent insight would be
much appreciated.
Thank you in advance!!!
In article <37953A46...@ftc.gov>, Spam <u...@ftc.gov> wrote:
> "Newsfeeds.com" wrote:
>
> > >They only "add filters".
> >
> > What is wrong with that? It prevents them from spamming, and coming back
> > under a different username and spam again. Should we cut off there hands
> > maybe?
>
> Only if it's legal. :-)
>
> >
> > We take what ever action is necessary to stop any spammers dead in their
> > tracks. If they are advertising a web address, we prevent then from
> > posting that web address. We add filters for this the INSTANT we get a
> > complaint. If they are posting pictures, or just being obnoxious, then we
> > take away their posting privileges. It is that simple. There is no need to
> > cancel any ones account, if the abuse they have been committing has been
> > put to an end.
> >
>
> This sounds like the perfect solution to me. If I understand you
correctly, the user
> can still post but not post their spams. And I guess it makes it
impossible for
> someone else to signup and post the sam spam as well.
Howard Knight
: We were looking through "news.admin.net-abuse.bulletin" at your abuse
: reports. We were thinking, that maybe you may be seeing something that we
: are not. So we went through your recent abuse complaints, for abusers
: posting through our service. However, we could not find anything in your
: recent posts that referenced our service. Obviously there must be something
: or someone spamming, that persuaded you to send your original post in this
: thread.
Here's a free clue for you abuse person: I am not Netzilla's personal
anti-spam lackey. Just because I dont have time to report the abuse from
your site, doesn't mean that the abuse doesn't exist. If you are so
interested in the spew that is flowing from your site, go investigate the
abuse yourself. Have you bothered to look at the "Spam Hippo" or "Cancel
Analysis" reports that are posted in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins? I
didn't think so.
: Did we miss something here?
Yes, most definatly: Spam. Lots and lots of spam!
: Please help us out, as we are very anxious to stop any spammers as soon
: as they are detected.
Fortunatly for you, I hate spam more than I hate Jerry Reynolds. You'll
have your spam report(s) tomorrow. (If you want the full bodies of the
spammed posts, go look them up yourself.)
: Thanks for helping us out Howard. Your time and effort are really
: appreaciated :-)
Translation: Thanks Howard for helping us do _our_ job.
Howard
Jeffery J. Leader
>ab...@newsfeeds.com writes:
Thanks for posting, Newsfeeds...
>Translation: Thanks Howard for helping us do _our_ job.
Thanks Howard for helping them do their job. (Really!)
Newsfeeds.com
Thanks for your reply. Your valuable insight is appreciated.
In article <7n3m8o$9sg$1...@nnrp02.primenet.com>, how...@primenet.com (Howard
Knight) wrote:
> ab...@newsfeeds.com writes:
>
> : We were looking through "news.admin.net-abuse.bulletin" at your abuse
> : reports. We were thinking, that maybe you may be seeing something that we
> : are not. So we went through your recent abuse complaints, for abusers
> : posting through our service. However, we could not find anything in your
> : recent posts that referenced our service. Obviously there must be something
> : or someone spamming, that persuaded you to send your original post in this
> : thread.
>
> Here's a free clue for you abuse person: I am not Netzilla's personal
> anti-spam lackey. Just because I dont have time to report the abuse from
> your site,
But you have time to figure out who we peer with. You should work on
learning how to prioritize and manage your time better. If you hate spam
that bad, you would let the ISP's know.
Forgive me if I am wrong here, but it appears to me that you are not
interested in reporting abuse to Newsfeeds.com. It appears that you are
only interested in harassing our company.
Is it your policy to shoot, then ask questions later?
doesn't mean that the abuse doesn't exist. If you are so
> interested in the spew that is flowing from your site, go investigate the
> abuse yourself. Have you bothered to look at the "Spam Hippo" or "Cancel
> Analysious" reports that are posted in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins? I
> didn't think so.
We take care of abuse when we receive complaints. Anyone who has ever sent
us an abuse report, will know. It is taken care of immediately. If the spam
is so bad why have we not received one of David Ritz's famous reports
recently.
We have a very efficient abuse department. We have measures in place, to
help prevent spam. In addition we take immediate action after that fact.
>
> : Did we miss something here?
>
> Yes, most definatly: Spam. Lots and lots of spam!
Send us a spam report Howard. You are going to have to be quick about it
though. If it was spam from yesterday or last night, then the abusers have
most likely been taken care of already, if anyone sent us reports about
it.
>
> : Please help us out, as we are very anxious to stop any spammers as soon
> : as they are detected.
>
> Fortunatly for you, I hate spam more than I hate Jerry Reynolds. You'll
> have your spam report(s) tomorrow. (If you want the full bodies of the
> spammed posts, go look them up yourself.)
Thanks Howard, that is all we ask for. We don't bight. In the future if you
spot someone spamming, let us know by sending us an abuse report. We will
let you know promptly, that it has been taken care of.
>
> : Thanks for helping us out Howard. Your time and effort are really
> : appreaciated :-)
>
> Translation: Thanks Howard for helping us do _our_ job.
We do our job very well and allot better then most companies. Anyone who
has worked with us can testify to that fact.
I challenge you Howard to try and carry on a civilized conversation without
insults or cheap shots. We are not your enemy. The spammers are, so you
should focus some of that hostility, in the right direction.
How about, if we gateway our replies on abuse complaints (on action taken)
to this newsgroup. Would that satisfy you?
We look forward to your reports Howard. Have yourself an outstanding day :-)
Newsfeeds.com
>
> Howard
Holmey
>How about, if we gateway our replies on abuse complaints (on action taken)
>to this newsgroup. Would that satisfy you?
I think a report to the appropriate group is certainly in order for any ISP
that has/is experienced in spammers camping at their domain. IMHO I think that
any isp that offers *instant* sign up access, with no 24/7 abuse department is
just waiting for the sh*t to flow freely from their servers.
Lets see the tos/aup for all these instant newsfeed companys enforced, ad a
tough anti-spam policy, assign clean-up charges and bill those credit cards
IMMEDIATE when that 24/7 abuse individual gets a report and verifies that
their is spam coming from that user. Sure, the spammer may sign back up the
next hour/day/week, but if you hit them hard enuff on the credit card they
will cross you off the _easy_ to spam list.
(Ameritech/Amerispam, R U listening?)
Holmey
Andrew Gierth
Newsfeeds> Forgive me if I am wrong here, but it appears to me that
Newsfeeds> you are not interested in reporting abuse to
Newsfeeds> Newsfeeds.com. It appears that you are only interested in
Newsfeeds> harassing our company.
well, you do have a long history to live down. People around here tend
to have good memories.
Newsfeeds> How about, if we gateway our replies on abuse complaints
Newsfeeds> (on action taken) to this newsgroup. Would that satisfy
Newsfeeds> you?
that would be highly inappropriate.
You could of course submit summaries of action taken to
news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins, which would be the appropriate place.
--
Andrew.
Newsfeeds.com
Thanks for posting to this thread.
In article <37962...@news.primary.net>, hol...@NOSPAMninenet.com (Holmey)
wrote:
> In article <abuse-ya02358000...@goliath.newsfeeds.com>,
ab...@newsfeeds.comm (Newsfeeds.com) wrote:
>
> >How about, if we gateway our replies on abuse complaints (on action taken)
> >to this newsgroup. Would that satisfy you?
>
> I think a report to the appropriate group is certainly in order for any ISP
> that has/is experienced in spammers camping at their domain.
We will see what we can do to try and work out some type of system for this.
IMHO I think that
> any isp that offers *instant* sign up access, with no 24/7 abuse
department is
> just waiting for the sh*t to flow freely from their servers.
Thanks for your opinion. Yes we do offer instant access. However we have
measures in place that prevent spammers from running amuck on our servers.
The ones that do get buy, are handled promptly. We do not get complaints 24
hours, plus we do not have a big enough spam problem that warrants having
a 24 hour abuse department.
>
> Lets see the tos/aup for all these instant newsfeed companys enforced
No need to post an A.U.P for show. If you read any headers from any post
coming from our servers, you will see there is information on how to report
any instance of abuse.
, ad a
> tough anti-spam policy,
We have a tough anti-spam policy. if we get one complaint the offending
spammer is dealt with swiftly.
> assign clean-up charges and bill those credit cards
Not practical, as that is more likely to produce a credit card charge back.
Plus it would not work out with our biling system.
> IMMEDIATE when that 24/7 abuse individual gets a report and verifies that
> their is spam coming from that user. Sure, the spammer may sign back up the
> next hour/day/week,
They can sign up as many times as they like. But our servers will reject
their spam even under a different user name.
>but if you hit them hard enuff on the credit card they
> will cross you off the _easy_ to spam list.
> (Ameritech/Amerispam, R U listening?)
We are not easy to spam. All our servers have built in mechanisms, to help
deter abuse. However once one gets buy (only once I might add) it is taken
care of the same day.
Cheers :-)
Newsfeeds.com
>
>
> Holmey
Ray Yang
ab...@newsfeeds.com wrote:
>
> Hi Spam,
>
> Yes, it works better then just cancelling an account.
>
> Q: Why you ask?
>
> Obviously, every spammer pretty much has one thing in common. They are
> advertising something. So when you put a filter for their web address or
> any bounce pages, or IP, then you prevent then spamming, and from signing
> up again and spamming again. It takes us seconds to add these filters, and
> they are put in place from the first complaint received. So if someone
> starts spamming, they won't last very long.
Hi:
A suggestion -- when you put up a filter for a web address, put up a filter for
all forms of that URL, please? Sending in multiple complaints for the same
website does tend to get on one's nerves ...
Thanks,
Ray
Newsfeeds.com
In article <87lnc9k...@erlenstar.demon.co.uk>, Andrew Gierth
<and...@erlenstar.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>> "Newsfeeds" == Newsfeeds com <ab...@newsfeeds.comm> writes:
>
> Newsfeeds> Forgive me if I am wrong here, but it appears to me that
> Newsfeeds> you are not interested in reporting abuse to
> Newsfeeds> Newsfeeds.com. It appears that you are only interested in
> Newsfeeds> harassing our company.
>
> well, you do have a long history to live down. People around here tend
> to have good memories.
Ancient History Andrew. We need to concentrate on the present, not the
past. The topic here is how we handle our abuse complaints (very well I may
add).
Also Andrew, would you be so kind as to inform all of these wonderfull
people that we have answered EVERY report you sent us in the last year and
have acted upon it promptly.
>
> Newsfeeds> How about, if we gateway our replies on abuse complaints
> Newsfeeds> (on action taken) to this newsgroup. Would that satisfy
> Newsfeeds> you?
>
> that would be highly inappropriate.
>
> You could of course submit summaries of action taken to
> news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins, which would be the appropriate place.
Fair enough :-) We will see what we can do about setting this up.
Good day
Newsfeeds.com
>
> --
> Andrew.
Newsfeeds.com
We did get several reports from Howard today.
- A few were already taken care of previously.
- A couple were new in which we prevented the abuse.
- One originated from Sprint.ca in which we do not control. We informed
Howard that we do not control their users, and forwarded his report to the
appropriate News Admin.
See Howard, how painless that was. We welcome any further reports you send
us. Thank you again for your time and Effort. Usenet is a much better place
now, thanks in part to you heroic activities :-)
Take care my friend!!!
Newsfeeds.com
Delete Me
>Hi Spam,
>
>Yes, it works better then just cancelling an account.
I personally don't think so. You should seriously consider cancelling the
account and denying service in the future to the spammer.
>Q: Why you ask?
>
>Obviously, every spammer pretty much has one thing in common. They are
>advertising something. So when you put a filter for their web address or
>any bounce pages, or IP, then you prevent then spamming, and from signing
>up again and spamming again. It takes us seconds to add these filters, and
>they are put in place from the first complaint received. So if someone
>starts spamming, they won't last very long.
Au contraire. They could shift addresses as quickly as you filter them out, what
with making new bounce pages being very easy. What you're advocating will just
lead to a usenet checkers game, with your service and the abuser of your service
hopping back and forth, filtering and changing various addresses.
>Q: What if they are posting images and there are no identifying marks?
>
>That, is easy. We take away their posting access (when we receive the first
>complaint).
This would be as good as canceling their account, and much better than playing
games with filters.
>No more spam :-) No cancelled accounts:-) This system works out very nice
>for our setup :-)
I would think that having to listen to a multitude of complaints about an abuser
on your system, and getting criticism from those that think your service is a
spammers' haven, would wear thin on you after a time.
<snip>
--
Delete Me <dele...@mailcity.com>
dratfed by omny as an anty-spmam soldeir (bagde# 38jd764g6zz41)
adherent of the art of sharp pointy stick jabbing
email: dele...@mailcity.com (really!)
Edward A. Falk
Andrew Gierth <and...@erlenstar.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> "Newsfeeds" == Newsfeeds com <ab...@newsfeeds.comm> writes:
>
> Newsfeeds> Forgive me if I am wrong here, but it appears to me that
> Newsfeeds> you are not interested in reporting abuse to
> Newsfeeds> Newsfeeds.com. It appears that you are only interested in
> Newsfeeds> harassing our company.
>
>well, you do have a long history to live down. People around here tend
>to have good memories.
He has a point though. If there's abuse coming from a site, we
should notify that site properly before attacking it.
Besides, if you have properly notified a site of its abuse, they
can't turn around and claim they didn't know it was happening as
Newsfeeds is now doing.
This was *exactly* the reason I started my automated spam-tracking
three years ago -- because Earthlink was claiming they weren't
aware of any problem.
Unfortunately, someone upstream of me has Newsfeeds completely
aliased out. I see almost none of their spam, and so can't
report it.
> Newsfeeds> How about, if we gateway our replies on abuse complaints
> Newsfeeds> (on action taken) to this newsgroup. Would that satisfy
> Newsfeeds> you?
>
>that would be highly inappropriate.
Why? I think it's an excellent idea, although a summary would be
better.
--
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See http://www.rahul.net/falk/whatToDo.html *#**************F******!******!*!!**
and read 12 Simple Things You Can Do ********!***************************
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Newsfeeds.com
In article <7n5fog$26d$1...@dtbsx.databasix.com>, dele...@databasix.com
(Delete Me) wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:44:19 -0500, ab...@newsfeeds.com wrote:
>
> >Hi Spam,
> >
> >Yes, it works better then just cancelling an account.
>
> I personally don't think so. You should seriously consider cancelling the
> account and denying service in the future to the spammer.
We have never cancelled one account and we never will. However we will take
away posting access in a heartbeat. So why would we need to cancel an
account if the abuser can not post?
This goes back to "chopping off their hands" statement in a previous post.
>
> >Q: Why you ask?
> >
> >Obviously, every spammer pretty much has one thing in common. They are
> >advertising something. So when you put a filter for their web address or
> >any bounce pages, or IP, then you prevent then spamming, and from signing
> >up again and spamming again. It takes us seconds to add these filters, and
> >they are put in place from the first complaint received. So if someone
> >starts spamming, they won't last very long.
>
> Au contraire. They could shift addresses as quickly as you filter them
out, what
> with making new bounce pages being very easy. What you're advocating will just
> lead to a usenet checkers game, with your service and the abuser of your
service
> hopping back and forth, filtering and changing various addresses.
If that happens, then we take away their posting access. The filters are
the first line of defense.
>
> >Q: What if they are posting images and there are no identifying marks?
> >
> >That, is easy. We take away their posting access (when we receive the first
> >complaint).
>
> This would be as good as canceling their account, and much better than playing
> games with filters.
No need to cancel if they can not post.
>
> >No more spam :-) No cancelled accounts:-) This system works out very nice
> >for our setup :-)
>
> I would think that having to listen to a multitude of complaints about an
abuser
> on your system, and getting criticism from those that think your service is a
> spammers' haven, would wear thin on you after a time.
We don't get that many repeat complaints, about the same spammer. Mainly
because he/she is dealt with right away. The only person who thinks our
service is a spammers haven is Howard. He has misdirected his hostility in
his war against spam. (We understand your frustration Howard).
Thanks again for your Insightful contribution to this thread Delete Me and
have your self a pleasant evening.
Newsfeeds.com
>
> <snip>
> --
> Delete Me <dele...@mailcity.com>
> dratfed by omny as an anty-spmam soldeir (bagde# 38jd764g6zz41)
> adherent of the art of sharp pointy stick jabbing
> email: dele...@mailcity.com (really!)
Russ Allbery
> Ancient History Andrew. We need to concentrate on the present, not the
> past.
Tell that to the justice system. Just because the criminal decides two
weeks into their jail term that they've seen the error of their ways, that
doesn't mean we turn around and let them out immediately.
You folks frankly deserve a *long* jail sentence by this point. It takes
a while to overcome ill will, particularly ill will that was built up by
intentional action over an extended period of time.
--
Russ Allbery (r...@stanford.edu) <URL:http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
Newsfeeds.com
Thanks for your wonderful insight on this matter. Hopefully we can lighten
the load of that big chip on your shoulder :-)
> Tell that to the justice system. Just because the criminal decides two
> weeks into their jail term that they've seen the error of their ways, that
> doesn't mean we turn around and let them out immediately.
>
> You folks frankly deserve a *long* jail sentence by this point. It takes
> a while to overcome ill will, particularly ill will that was built up by
> intentional action over an extended period of time.
Well you are entitled to your opinion and you make a good point. Yes you
are right Russ, we deserve a long jail sentence. So what I propose to you
is that you alias out "Newsfeeds.com" from your NNTP servers. Hopefully it
will give you some closure and make you feel better :-). If you have
already done so then great. This goes for any other news administrators who
are in agreement with Russ. You can impose your own jail sentence as long
as you feel it is appropriate.
Russ, do you want us to alias out your servers as well? If it will make you
feel better, then we would be more then happy to do it for you. Please send
your path stamp to "ab...@Newsfeeds.com"
Now back to the real issue here.
- Newsfeeds.com does not tolerate any form of spamming on our servers!
- We are NOT a spam haven, and we do not harbor spammers!
- Our abuse department is one of the best in the industry. We take care of
complaints faster, and more efficiently then 95% of the Usenet abuse
departments out there!
Anyone who has sent any abuse complaints to ab...@newsfeeds.com can testify
to that fact alone!!!!
Now again, If anyone has any ongoing issues about any users of
Newsfeeds.com, then send your complaint (with full headers and body please)
to ab...@Newsfeeds.com for swift action.
One quick suggestion Russ. Life is too short. You should try to channel
your anger and frustration into something more positive and productive. You
will live a fuller and happier life!! :-)
If we can be of any further assistance please let us know.
Cheers :-)
Newsfeeds.com
>
> --
> Russ Allbery (r...@stanford.edu) <URL:http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
Newsfeeds.com
> On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:35:56 -0500,
> abuse-remov...@newsfeeds.com (Newsfeeds.com) hastily scratched
> out the following adumbration:
>
> >
> >Hello Delete Me
> >
> >
> >In article <7n5fog$26d$1...@dtbsx.databasix.com>, dele...@databasix.com
> >(Delete Me) wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:44:19 -0500, ab...@newsfeeds.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi Spam,
> >> >
> >> >Yes, it works better then just cancelling an account.
> >>
> >> I personally don't think so. You should seriously consider cancelling the
> >> account and denying service in the future to the spammer.
> >
> >We have never cancelled one account and we never will. However we will take
> >away posting access in a heartbeat. So why would we need to cancel an
> >account if the abuser can not post?
> >
> >This goes back to "chopping off their hands" statement in a previous post.
>
>
> Are you for real ? My god, wake up and take care of your problems.
>
> <shaking my head in disbelief>
Doctor Tripp.
I have to ask. Thanks for your comments. Have you read this entire thread?
If not please go back and read it. You are pulling the phrase above out of
context.
Let me ask you this:
If a spammer signs up online with us and spams (one night only, if that).
Would you be satisfied, if we prevented him/her from ever spamming our
servers again?
Of course you would. So if the spammer can not spam anymore, why would we
need to cancel their account? Is it much more appropriate to cancel their
account and then go stab them in the eyes with daggers? For some yes, for
us no.
Stopping them spamming is sufficient enough.
Again, for anyone who is misinformed. If someone spams at Newsfeeds.com, We
IMMEDIATELY stop them from spamming!! That simple.
Any questions?
Cheers
Newsfeeds.com
Charles Demas
Newsfeeds.com <ab...@newsfeeds.comm> wrote:
>HI Russ,
>
>Thanks for your wonderful insight on this matter. Hopefully we can lighten
>the load of that big chip on your shoulder :-)
>
>> Tell that to the justice system. Just because the criminal decides two
>> weeks into their jail term that they've seen the error of their ways, that
>> doesn't mean we turn around and let them out immediately.
>>
>> You folks frankly deserve a *long* jail sentence by this point. It takes
>> a while to overcome ill will, particularly ill will that was built up by
>> intentional action over an extended period of time.
>
>
>Well you are entitled to your opinion and you make a good point. Yes you
>are right Russ, we deserve a long jail sentence. So what I propose to you
[snip]
You really are an idiot. Too bad I don't have a newsfeed to alias your
server out on. Fortunately, many already have, and with your attitude,
they won't be giving you a second chance any time soon.
Chuck Demas
Needham, Mass.
--
Eat Healthy | _ _ | Nothing would be done at all,
Stay Fit | @ @ | If a man waited to do it so well,
Die Anyway | v | That no one could find fault with it.
de...@tiac.net | \___/ | http://www.tiac.net/users/demas
Newsfeeds.com
I know that posting insults, and taking cheap shots gives you a since of
power and self worth. Which is understandable as it is just human nature.
So your "idiot" statement is hereby being taken with a grain of salt, with
no hard feelings :-)
Anyway, Since you are not a news admin, I invite you to add a kill file for
all post originating from Newsfeeds.com. Hopefully that will be
satisfactory enough for you. Alternatively, you can come and stab myself
and our employees in the eyes with daggers. Just kidding, we do not want to
be stabbed in the eyes with daggers.
Seriously though, there are very few news sites that have aliased out
Newsfeeds.com. If it was of any concern or indicated that we were not doing
something right, then we would have changed our domain long ago.
By the way Chuck. You still can not deny the fact that we are swift and
effective when it comes to dealing with spammers. Have you ever sent us an
abuse complaint? Obviously no, otherwise you would know, that we take abuse
issues VERY seriously.
Chuck, what kind of attitude are you referring to? I thought I was being
polite and sincere. If you took it the wrong way then please accept my most
sincere apologies.
Friends?
Newsfeeds.com
If you did not even get our auto reply, then something must have happened
on your end. Do you have any incoming mail filters set up?
Ask Andrew Gierth, or Howard Knight. When you e-mail our abuse department,
you get a courteous auto reply stating your message has been received.
Shortly after you will get another reply stating that your abuse issue has
been acted upon.
In regards to the e-mail you received earlier today. That is something new
we are implementing. One week after an abuse issue has been acted upon, we
will send a courteous follow up e-mail asking if your abuse issue has been
taken care of to your satisfaction. If not, we ask that you reply and let
us know so that we can investigate further (which 99% of the time will not
be necessary).
Sorry about the reference to your complaint. I will check the follow up
filters to see why it is doing that.
Do you have any ongoing abuse issues at this time? If you do let us know.
Take Care
Newsfeeds.com
In article <7n66f9$9th$6...@dtbsx.databasix.com>, dont...@not.to.me.anyway wrote:
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> ya02358000210...@goliath.newsfeeds.com>, ab...@newsfeeds.comm
> (Newsfeeds.com) wrote:
>
>
> >Now back to the real issue here.
> >
> >- Newsfeeds.com does not tolerate any form of spamming on our servers!
>
> Yeah right. I sent a complaint about SPAM from your site and didn't even get
> the auto reply. Today I get a canned bunch of screed from your abuse@ saying
> you're concerned that the issue I emailed was correctly settled. I never
> even HEARD from anyone about it and the email I DID recieve didn't even
> reference the complaint.
>
> If you're going to be THAT lame with your abuse department, why have one?
>
>
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Howard Knight
: Q: What if they are posting images and there are no identifying marks?
:
: That, is easy. We take away their posting access (when we receive the first
: complaint).
: No more spam :-) No cancelled accounts:-)
You forgot: And we still keep billing their credit card!
: This system works out very nice for our setup :-)
Uh huh, I'm sure it does ;)
: Howard Knight disagrees with this approach. He is entitled to his opinion
: and we respect that.
Please don't put words in my mouth. If your approach keeps spam from
propagating from your site, there's not much I can complain about.
I do wish you would take a more proactive roll in dealing with the
abuse. You should not rely solely on email complaints to make you
aware that you have a spamming problem. Check out the reports in
news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. If you see the numbers for your site
go up, investigate it. I'll be happy to help you identify the
individual spammers, if you want. Unfortunatly, I have a real life
that keeps me from monitoring the spam from your site day after day.
Howard
Andrew Gierth
Newsfeeds> In regards to the e-mail you received earlier today. That
Newsfeeds> is something new we are implementing. One week after an
Newsfeeds> abuse issue has been acted upon, we will send a courteous
Newsfeeds> follow up e-mail asking if your abuse issue has been taken
Newsfeeds> care of to your satisfaction.
In my case, I'd really rather you didn't do that.
--
Andrew.
Newsfeeds.com
Wonderful to hear from you again.
You must know as everyone else does, is that you can not please all of the
people all of the time.
While, keeping that phrase in mind, you must realize that a few (Very few I
may add) news admins and individuals will not be happy no matter what you
tell them. Even when the fact of the matter is that we do not allow
spamming, and we go to great lengths to ensure our abuse department acts
thoroughly and swiftly to EVERY complaint we receive.
Therefor since, nothing we say or DO will make these people happy, then it
is best that they alias our servers, along with every other server that has
ever had a spammer. That sounds like pretty good solution to me.
However they will also be aliasing out the 300 to 600 legitimate post from
our wonderful members that contribute to usenet everyday.
Gary, If you want to alias us out then please be my guest. All that I ask
though is that you be FAIR, that you be OBJECTIVE, and alias out any other
usenet server that has ever had a spammer or any spamming issues.
Sorry for repeating this everyone. You still can not deny the fact that we
deal with spammers faster then most usenet services out there.
I hope you have a pleasant evening Gary :-)
Newsfeeds.com
In article <7n66il$9th$7...@dtbsx.databasix.com>, dont...@not.to.me.anyway wrote:
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> On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:07:57 -0500, in article <abuse
> ya02358000210...@goliath.newsfeeds.com>, ab...@newsfeeds.comm
> (Newsfeeds.com) wrote:
>
>
> >Any questions?
>
> Yeah, is it that you WANT everyone to alias you out or don't you care?
>
> BTW, not that you care, but we're considering dumping your crap on the floor
> too.
>
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Howard Knight
: Forgive me if I am wrong here, but it appears to me that you are not
: interested in reporting abuse to Newsfeeds.com. It appears that you are
: only interested in harassing our company.
Pulleez, give me a break. In what way did I harass your company? So far,
I have never complained to your peers/upstreams about the abuse from your
site. I was waiting to see how/if you responded first.
I sent you spam reports. I made you aware of the spammers involved.
If you can get your numbers to drop to significant levels, I see no
reason to pursue a de-peering of your site.
: Is it your policy to shoot, then ask questions later?
Jerry, given your history of spam flooding the newsgroups, canceling my
and other's posts, email bombing, harassment, etc., it isn't any wonder
that I should be little suspicious of Newsfeeds.com. Keep the spam
numbers from your site down, and you'll never hear from me again.
Howard
Newsfeeds.com
As always, your insight is much appreciated.
In article <7n6ab8$7h5$1...@nnrp02.primenet.com>, how...@primenet.com (Howard
Knight) wrote:
> ab...@newsfeeds.com writes:
>
> : Q: What if they are posting images and there are no identifying marks?
> :
> : That, is easy. We take away their posting access (when we receive the first
> : complaint).
> :
> : No more spam :-) No cancelled accounts:-)
>
> You forgot: And we still keep billing their credit card!
Of course. We offer a premium Usenet service. We have bills like everyone
else. We do not want to give them free access to our servers. There is no
need to cancel their account if they cannot spam. They still have read
access though. Can not do much harm there.
>
> : This system works out very nice for our setup :-)
>
> Uh huh, I'm sure it does ;)
Thanks for agreeing with us. Yes it works out nice for all parties involved.
>
> : Howard Knight disagrees with this approach. He is entitled to his opinion
> : and we respect that.
>
> Please don't put words in my mouth.
Sorry about that. I must have misinterpreted your statement "they only add
filters" incorrectly.
If your approach keeps spam from
> propagating from your site, there's not much I can complain about.
Thank you Howard. See if everyone would understand that, then there is
nothing else to complain about.
>
> I do wish you would take a more proactive roll in dealing with the
> abuse. You should not rely solely on email complaints to make you
> aware that you have a spamming problem. Check out the reports in
> news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. If you see the numbers for your site
> go up, investigate it. I'll be happy to help you identify the
> individual spammers, if you want. Unfortunatly, I have a real life
> that keeps me from monitoring the spam from your site day after day.
Fair Enough. Andrew sent a few nice suggestions earlier to us that we will
implement. Your suggestion is very good as well. After we go through the
abuse e-mail, we will check NANAB for anything else connected to
Newsfeeds.com
Thanks for your great suggestion
>
> Howard
Howard Knight
: See Howard, how painless that was.
I don't remember you standing over my shoulder while I prepared those
reports. How would you know how "painless" it was? I think I wasted
at least 15 minutes of my time on them. I could have used that time
to beat on Tom Saylor instead!
: We welcome any further reports you send us. Thank you again for your
: time and Effort. Usenet is a much better place now, thanks in part to
: you heroic activities :-)
:
: Take care my friend!!!
Am I the only one who detects sarcasm here? No Matter. All I care
about is that spam stops flowing from Newsfeeds.com.
Howard
Newsfeeds.com
I will see what I can do about that tomorrow.
Newsfeeds.com
In article <879089g...@erlenstar.demon.co.uk>, Andrew Gierth
<and...@erlenstar.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Charles Demas
>
>I know that posting insults, and taking cheap shots gives you a since of
>power and self worth. Which is understandable as it is just human nature.
>So your "idiot" statement is hereby being taken with a grain of salt, with
>no hard feelings :-)
>
>By the way Chuck. You still can not deny the fact that we are swift and
>effective when it comes to dealing with spammers. Have you ever sent us an
>abuse complaint? Obviously no, otherwise you would know, that we take abuse
>issues VERY seriously.
Poor research on your part. I have sent at least one complaint. Was it
promptly handled? No! Did I receive a prompt followup? No! Did the
spammer continue to spam? Yes. Yesterday I received a followup wondering
if I was satisfied. Maybe you finally handled it. I haven't seem
that spam recently.
>
>Chuck, what kind of attitude are you referring to? I thought I was being
>polite and sincere. If you took it the wrong way then please accept my most
>sincere apologies.
>
>Friends?
If I thought you were sincere, I might accept your apology, but I don't
like being patronized, so you can go to hell. Congratulations, you've
made an enemy for your company, and you can count on my recommending
against your company when asked for recommendations. Nice job.
遼颠
Gary L. Burnore <gbur...@databasix.com> wrote in message
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> ya02358000210...@goliath.newsfeeds.com>, ab...@newsfeeds.comm
> (Newsfeeds.com) wrote:
>
>
> >Now back to the real issue here.
> >
> >- Newsfeeds.com does not tolerate any form of spamming on our servers!
>
> Yeah right. I sent a complaint about SPAM from your site and didn't even
get
> the auto reply. Today I get a canned bunch of screed from your abuse@
saying
> you're concerned that the issue I emailed was correctly settled. I never
> even HEARD from anyone about it and the email I DID recieve didn't even
> reference the complaint.
>
> If you're going to be THAT lame with your abuse department, why have one?
Perhaps it's a SELF-abuse department.
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See-El
> Unfortunately, someone upstream of me has Newsfeeds completely
> aliased out. I see almost none of their spam, and so can't
> report it.
This is common; spam-free feeds don't distribute posts from
Newsfeeds.com.
I can't believe that they continue to host spammers, just
suspend their posting privileges, but that is just philosophy.
I can't believe that they aren't aware of the extent of their
problem though.
Newsfeeds, you may want to monitor the Top 100 Spam Hippo
Sites Report at:
http://www.spamhippo.com/cgi-bin/newsspam
Currently, number two on the NNTP Hosts list is
anonymous.newsfeeds.com, with 100% of posts coming from there
being considered spam. Clicking on the link shows the message
IDs, along with part of the subject line. It looks as though
you have the Viagra spammer along with Tang and company
onboard, as well as an Asian sex spammer.
newsfeeds.com is listed as number three under the News Sites
list with 93% of posts coming just from that to be considered
spam. Clicking the link, and glancing through the subject
lines I see Viagra, pheromones, Ultimate Anonymity crap,
Indian porn, and spam for what looks like a competitor's
newsfeed service.
Are there legitimate posters that use your service?
There is no need for someone to be able to post the same thing
over and over again to all of the different newsgroups, and
there could probably be some more close monitoring of what
gets posted though your service. You could try to rely on
reports, but it is easier for other administrators to either
use the Spam Hippo, or just alias you out.
See-El
I R A Darth Aggie
<7n6558$s...@news-central.tiac.net> wrote:
+ In article <abuse-ya02358000...@goliath.newsfeeds.com>,
+ Newsfeeds.com <ab...@newsfeeds.comm> wrote:
+ >Well you are entitled to your opinion and you make a good point. Yes you
+ >are right Russ, we deserve a long jail sentence. So what I propose to you
+ >is that you alias out "Newsfeeds.com" from your NNTP servers. ...
+ [snip]
+ You really are an idiot. Too bad I don't have a newsfeed to alias your
+ server out on. Fortunately, many already have, and with your attitude,
+ they won't be giving you a second chance any time soon.
Good ridance to bad trash. Maybe they'll take RtS as a client?
James
I R A Darth Aggie
<7n6c0o$7h5$3...@nnrp02.primenet.com> wrote:
+ Am I the only one who detects sarcasm here?
I'm about waist-deep in dripping sarcasm in this thread...
James
I R A Darth Aggie
<7n7b0h$dgm$5...@dtbsx.databasix.com> wrote:
+ The only thing keeping newsfeeds.com out of cleanfeed right now is
+ wondering what whoppers he'll tell next.
newsfeeds.com: A billion Whoppers told every day.
James
Edward A. Falk
Howard Knight <how...@primenet.com> wrote:
>ab...@newsfeeds.com writes:
>
>: Q: What if they are posting images and there are no identifying marks?
>:
>: That, is easy. We take away their posting access (when we receive the first
>: complaint).
>:
>: No more spam :-) No cancelled accounts:-)
>
>You forgot: And we still keep billing their credit card!
If it works, don't knock it. I don't care *how* they stop the
spam, as long as they do so.
My only problem is this: According to Spam Hippo and Andrew
Gierth, they haven't.
Sergi
>On 22 Jul 1999 05:59:52 GMT, how...@primenet.com (Howard Knight)
>hastily scratched out the following adumbration:
>
>You're not alone. I think the whole think stinks of sarcasm and
>arrogance.
Ask him about the "law" he made up that mandetes that all new servers
add NNTP-posting-host.
This guy's a liar.
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Meow.
Sergi
wrote:
>Again, for anyone who is misinformed. If someone spams at Newsfeeds.com, We
>IMMEDIATELY stop them from spamming!! That simple.
>
>Any questions?
>
Yes.
1) Why do you have bogus information listed in the NIC?
2) Is it true that your company is owned by the Church os Scientology?
>Cheers
>
>Newsfeeds.com
>
>
> -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==----------
> http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!
>------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----
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Jeremy
> - Our abuse department is one of the best in the industry. We take care of
> complaints faster, and more efficiently then 95% of the Usenet abuse
> departments out there!
Just taking care of complaints does not make you "one of the best". You
shouldn't need a complaint to stop a spammer. Be proactive. Find them
yourself and shut them down.
Oh, and you probably don't want to hang around asking everyone to alias you
out. They tell me I have 2.5 million users, or somesuch thing; would you
like me to alias your sorry ass out?
--
Jeremy | jer...@exit109.com
"Everything you think you know is wrong." --Jack Chalker
Jeremy
> Indeed. The only thing keeping newsfeeds.com out of cleanfeed right now is
> wondering what whoppers he'll tell next.
Hmm, I think I'll add a "udp sites" list, that lets them post to nana.* but
nowhere else, just like a Real UDP[tm].
--
Jeremy | jer...@exit109.com
"How extravagant you are, throwing away women like that. Someday they
may be scarce." (Casablanca)
I R A Darth Aggie
<7n81ch$6hd$1...@dtbsx.databasix.com> wrote:
+ 2) Is it true that your company is owned by the Church os Scientology?
^^
They're an OS, too? Shit.
James
John Kennedy's Incinerated Corpse
> Oh, and you probably don't want to hang around asking everyone to alias you
> out. They tell me I have 2.5 million users, or somesuch thing; would you
> like me to alias your sorry ass out?
Larry! is one. So is that users (l)users or (ab)users you
are talking about? And how many are free?
Joe Greco
:Newsfeeds.com <ab...@newsfeeds.comm> wrote:
:> - Our abuse department is one of the best in the industry. We take care of
:> complaints faster, and more efficiently then 95% of the Usenet abuse
:> departments out there!
:
:Just taking care of complaints does not make you "one of the best". You
:shouldn't need a complaint to stop a spammer. Be proactive. Find them
:yourself and shut them down.
:Oh, and you probably don't want to hang around asking everyone to alias you
:out. They tell me I have 2.5 million users, or somesuch thing; would you
:like me to alias your sorry ass out?
Jeremy: Maybe it would be entertaining if a few major transit sites were
to alias them out too.
Hey, Newsfeeds.Com Stupid Abuse Idiot: Why don't you lose the 'tude and
come to grips with the fact that your company has traditionally sucked
worse than a Hoover? You do not _deserve_ a second chance. You do not
automatically get our _gratitude_ when you claim that you are now some
super duper abuse department. You certainly aren't impressing me, and I
doubt you are making a favorable impression on any of the other admin
types floating around here. You already were stupid enough to insult
Russ Allbery and I would take some things you said to Andrew Gierth as
insulting as well. Daring people like Russ or Jeremy to alias you out
is a really stupid and suicidal thing to do. Maybe your supervisor
should tell you to shut the fuck up before you damage your company's
already worthless reputation even further. If you want to insult me,
I can probably take the five minutes it would take to make you people
disappear from a nice sized part of the Midwest. I've been convinced
for years that you deserve it, but you haven't made it worth my effort.
Yet.
Usenet is a social thing. You rely on the goodwill of others in order to
be able to participate. You are doing a great job of destroying that
goodwill. You are a bad net neighbor. You are not respected. You can
tell from all the people who are on your case about how poorly you have
been performing your job.
You earn respect when you proactively deal with your own spam problem.
Companies such as Erols which one time had a reputation almost as bad as
yours turned it around with lots of hard work - Afterburner's style did a
lot to bring attention to their new policies, but a simple cessation of
spam would have done so too. You lose respect (not that you had any) when
you are sarcastic and snotty with major spam cancellers and spam fighters
and are arrogant enough to do so in light of spam flowing from your
servers.
Your words are crap. Your actions have been questioned. No amount of your
sorry self-praise is going to change that. The only thing that matters
here is results. Produce the results. Produce them for years. And quit
whining and quit insulting people who do not deserve it. Do your fucking
job, and do it your-fucking-self.
Get the point? Or was I too abstract for you?
... JG
Nile Evil Bastard
Newsfeeds.com <ab...@newsfeeds.comm> wrote:
:Hi Gary,
:If you did not even get our auto reply, then something must have happened
:on your end. Do you have any incoming mail filters set up?
Furthermore, Gary:
- was your web proxy set right?
- did you have your DNS numbers in correctly?
- maybe your modem needs an initialisation string?
- it's probably your video card - that brand always was problematic.
'ab...@newsfeeds.com' should contribute to alt.tech-support.recovery .
I'm sure his/her presence would be most welcomed.
:In regards to the e-mail you received earlier today. That is something new
:we are implementing. One week after an abuse issue has been acted upon, we
:will send a courteous follow up e-mail asking if your abuse issue has been
:taken care of to your satisfaction. If not, we ask that you reply and let
:us know so that we can investigate further (which 99% of the time will not
:be necessary).
(That *is* a good thing to do, though.)
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ALERT! Australian government attempts to censor Australian internet out of
existence! - See http://www.efa.org.au/ for the gory details ...
Nile Evil Bastard
Gary L. Burnore <gbur...@databasix.com> wrote:
:On 23 Jul 1999 00:10:15 +1000, in article <slrn7pe9hr.13o.nile
:e...@thingy.apana.org.au>, nil...@iname.com (Nile Evil Bastard) wrote:
:>On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:23:26 -0500,
:>Newsfeeds.com <ab...@newsfeeds.comm> wrote:
:>:If you did not even get our auto reply, then something must have happened
:>:on your end. Do you have any incoming mail filters set up?
:>Furthermore, Gary:
:>- was your web proxy set right?
:>- did you have your DNS numbers in correctly?
:>- maybe your modem needs an initialisation string?
:>- it's probably your video card - that brand always was problematic.
:Yeah and I did upgrade my server about 5 months ago.
I think it must be your power cable. That brand of power cable only works
with Macintosh, not with your PC. Trust me, I'm a technician. Now, if you
could just reboot Windows, so that I can finish this post to a.t-s.r while
waiting for your machine to restart ...
.... Oh, *dear* ... *tch tch tch* ... I'm sorry, but your copy of Windows
is irretrievably corrupted. Yes, I know everything else works, but I'm
afraid you'll have to wipe and reinstall. Be sure to WIPE and reinstall.
OK? Glad to be of service. Have a nice day! *click*
:>:In regards to the e-mail you received earlier today. That is something new
:>:we are implementing. One week after an abuse issue has been acted upon, we
:>:will send a courteous follow up e-mail asking if your abuse issue has been
:>:taken care of to your satisfaction. If not, we ask that you reply and let
:>:us know so that we can investigate further (which 99% of the time will not
:>:be necessary).
:>(That *is* a good thing to do, though.)
:I don't think so. Especially when it's the first thing you receive from them.
I plead not having read the rest of the thread. And not realising how much
that paragraph of his sounds like the tea machine in 'Hitchhiker's Guide To
The Galaxy'.
"Glad to be of service!"
Sergi
Aggie) wrote:
There everywhere, dude. Look at the symbols on the back of a dollar
bill...
Charles Demas
Jeremy <jer...@exit109.com> wrote:
>Gary L. Burnore <dont...@not.to.me.anyway> wrote:
>
>> Indeed. The only thing keeping newsfeeds.com out of cleanfeed right now is
>> wondering what whoppers he'll tell next.
>
>Hmm, I think I'll add a "udp sites" list, that lets them post to nana.* but
>nowhere else, just like a Real UDP[tm].
I like it!!! :-)
Russ Allbery
> So what I propose to you is that you alias out "Newsfeeds.com" from your
> NNTP servers.
I just got rid of all those. I don't intend to add one back in just
because you don't like listening to people point out you've got a
checkered past (to be kind). The nice thing about *not* aliasing anyone
out is that it makes me keep trying to improve my filters.
> Hopefully it will give you some closure and make you feel better :-).
I feel fine. I'm actually rather amused at how hot and bothered you get
about people pointing out your history. Sort of pokes holes in the
"turned over a new leaf" theory. (Free clue: People who have actually
turned over a new leaf freely admit they've done bad things in the past
and don't try to hide from it.)
> Russ, do you want us to alias out your servers as well?
If you want to deny your customers access to several dozen moderated
groups and roughly 1% of world-wide Usenet traffic, feel free. I honestly
couldn't care less.
> If it will make you feel better, then we would be more then happy to do
> it for you. Please send your path stamp to "ab...@Newsfeeds.com"
Read the Path line of this article to find out what it is. The ! symbols
separate sites, those sites are what is referred to as a "path stamp", and
the ones on the left end mark the originating site. I'm a tricky bastard
and use a path stamp really similar to yours, but don't let that stop you.
--
Russ Allbery (r...@stanford.edu) <URL:http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
Douglas Mackall
gbur...@databasix.com says...
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> de...@sunspot.tiac.net (Charles Demas) wrote:
>
> >In article <7n898b$7rp$1...@usenet46.supernews.com>,
> >Jeremy <jer...@exit109.com> wrote:
> >>Gary L. Burnore <dont...@not.to.me.anyway> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Indeed. The only thing keeping newsfeeds.com out of cleanfeed right now
> is
> >>> wondering what whoppers he'll tell next.
> >>
> >>Hmm, I think I'll add a "udp sites" list, that lets them post to nana.* but
> >>nowhere else, just like a Real UDP[tm].
> >
> >I like it!!! :-)
>
>
> Me Too!
> /* End AOL */
>
> Can/could cleanfeed do that?
>
My Dnews filters have a UDP sites list built in, although I didn't put in an
exception for nana.*.
I guess I should add that.
--
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Unit C: "Thou Shalt Not Pass Light Speed!"
The Eternally Recondite Master Interdictor, Network Attack Legion(TERMINAL)
http://www.sputum.com/
Copyright 1999, Douglas E. Mackall
All Rights Reserved
Jeremy
>>> Hmm, I think I'll add a "udp sites" list, that lets them post to
>>> nana.* but nowhere else, just like a Real UDP[tm].
>>
>> I like it!!! :-)
>
> /* AOL */
> Me Too!
> /* End AOL */
>
> Can/could cleanfeed do that?
Sure it could. It just doesn't (yet).
--
Jeremy | jer...@exit109.com
"...your brain recognizes the pattern of light and dark made by a
successful mail delivery." --Russ Allbery
John Kennedy's Incinerated Corpse
>
> In article <7n9scr$39b$1...@dtbsx.databasix.com>, Gary L. Burnore
> gbur...@databasix.com says...
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > On 23 Jul 1999 01:34:15 GMT, in article <7n8gqn$5...@news-central.tiac.net>,
> > de...@sunspot.tiac.net (Charles Demas) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <7n898b$7rp$1...@usenet46.supernews.com>,
> > >Jeremy <jer...@exit109.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > is
> > >>> wondering what whoppers he'll tell next.
> > >>
> > >>nowhere else, just like a Real UDP[tm].
> > >
> > >I like it!!! :-)
> >
> >
> > /* AOL */
> > Me Too!
> > /* End AOL */
> >
> > Can/could cleanfeed do that?
> >
>
> exception for nana.*.
> I guess I should add that.
Excellent thought. If I was in your position, I would UDP nana.* also.
Edward A. Falk
Sergi <se...@mailandnews.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:07:57 -0500, ab...@newsfeeds.comm (Newsfeeds.com)
>wrote:
>
>
>>Again, for anyone who is misinformed. If someone spams at Newsfeeds.com, We
>>IMMEDIATELY stop them from spamming!! That simple.
>>
>>Any questions?
>>
>
>Yes.
>
>1) Why do you have bogus information listed in the NIC?
>
3) What is your connection to Jerry Reynolds and Netzilla.
Jeremy
>> My Dnews filters have a UDP sites list built in, although I didn't put
>> in an exception for nana.*.
>> I guess I should add that.
>
> Excellent thought. If I was in your position, I would UDP nana.* also.
Don't you mean Altopia?
--
Jeremy | jer...@exit109.com
"There is nothing worse than having a spare couple of hours and you
can't find an open server to abuse." --Tim Thorne
John Kennedy's Incinerated Corpse
>
> John Kennedy's Incinerated Corpse <nolonger....@us.royalty> wrote:
>
> >> My Dnews filters have a UDP sites list built in, although I didn't put
> >> in an exception for nana.*.
> >> I guess I should add that.
> >
> > Excellent thought. If I was in your position, I would UDP nana.* also.
>
> Don't you mean Altopia?
My name is not Sam.
John Kennedy's Scattered Ashes
>
> In article <7n81ch$6hd$1...@dtbsx.databasix.com>,
> Sergi <se...@mailandnews.com> wrote:
> >On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:07:57 -0500, ab...@newsfeeds.comm (Newsfeeds.com)
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Again, for anyone who is misinformed. If someone spams at Newsfeeds.com, We
> >>IMMEDIATELY stop them from spamming!! That simple.
> >>
> >>Any questions?
> >>
> >
> >Yes.
> >
> >1) Why do you have bogus information listed in the NIC?
> >
> >2) Is it true that your company is owned by the Church os Scientology?
>
> 3) What is your connection to Jerry Reynolds and Netzilla.
4) Do you read the pervert groups with Ed Falk?